Islam isnt what the west percieves it to be....

India blame directly pakistan for mumbai attacks without evidence the biggest fools of world.If 1 bullet fired frm a gun than they rapidly blame muslims for this without knowing who fired that bullet.And christians be happy with your religion no 1 force u peoples for islam.Poster of this topic is only want to tell u peoples that dont take bad image of islam on the behalf of suicide attackers most peoples want elimination of muslims from this world which is not possible.So be happy with your believe.genious_devil

India blame directly pakistan for mumbai attacks without evidence the biggest fools of world.If 1 bullet fired frm a gun than they rapidly blame muslims for this without knowing who fired that bullet.And christians be happy with your religion no 1 force u peoples for islam.Poster of this topic is only want to tell u peoples that dont take bad image of islam on the behalf of suicide attackers most peoples want elimination of muslims from this world which is not possible.So be happy with your believe.genious_devil

As bad as the grammar was in that post, I agree. 

What about these fantastic scriptures in the Koran:

Sura 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sura 3:151 - aimed at Christians who believe in the Trinity: "We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. They serve other deities besides God for whom He has revealed no sanction. The fire shall be their home; evil indeed is the dwelling of the evil doers."

Sura 3:32: "Say: 'Obey God and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers."

These scriputes tend to directly contridict those of the OP. Hmmmmmm.

What about these fantastic scriptures in the Koran:

Sura 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sura 3:151 - aimed at Christians who believe in the Trinity: "We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. They serve other deities besides God for whom He has revealed no sanction. The fire shall be their home; evil indeed is the dwelling of the evil doers."

Sura 3:32: "Say: 'Obey God and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers."

These scriputes tend to directly contridict those of the OP. Hmmmmmm.

thegrimpeeper

Read this, buddy.

http://www.ruqaiyyah.karoo.net/articles/fingers.htm 

The Koran is a very confusing book to read. It's scriptures are not in chronological order but in order of length so when reading it, there really is no context to it. You need to also use books called Hadith (which are essentially biographies of mohammed) as reference points to get any context out of the Koran. By reading these and the koran you can clearly see that mohammed was not really a prophet at all and a lot of his "episodes" where he claims to be speaking the words of allah are really just prophiecies of convience. At first mohammed wanted to be recognized by christians and jews as a real prophet so he prophisized peace but when they would not accept him, he got mad and started to prophisize war and terror. Mohammed was not actually a prophet of allah at all but rather someone who wanted glory to himself and a cult following so he could be idolized.

[QUOTE="thegrimpeeper"]

What about these fantastic scriptures in the Koran:

Sura 8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Sura 3:151 - aimed at Christians who believe in the Trinity: "We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. They serve other deities besides God for whom He has revealed no sanction. The fire shall be their home; evil indeed is the dwelling of the evil doers."

Sura 3:32: "Say: 'Obey God and the Apostle.' If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers."

These scriputes tend to directly contridict those of the OP. Hmmmmmm.

ghoklebutter

Read this, buddy.

http://www.ruqaiyyah.karoo.net/articles/fingers.htm 

The Koran is a very confusing book to read. It's scriptures are not in chronological order but in order of length so when reading it, there really is no context to it. You need to also use books called Hadith (which are essentially biographies of mohammed) as reference points to get any context out of the Koran. By reading these and the koran you can clearly see that mohammed was not really a prophet at all and a lot of his "episodes" where he claims to be speaking the words of allah are really just prophiecies of convience. At first mohammed wanted to be recognized by christians and jews as a real prophet so he prophisized peace but when they would not accept him, he got mad and started to prophisize war and terror. Mohammed was not actually a prophet of allah at all but rather someone who wanted glory to himself and a cult following so he could be idolized.

thegrimpeeper

Ever hear of the Conquest of Mecca? 

TC where are you from? gamingqueen

[QUOTE="genious_devil"]India blame directly pakistan for mumbai attacks without evidence the biggest fools of world.If 1 bullet fired frm a gun than they rapidly blame muslims for this without knowing who fired that bullet.And christians be happy with your religion no 1 force u peoples for islam.Poster of this topic is only want to tell u peoples that dont take bad image of islam on the behalf of suicide attackers most peoples want elimination of muslims from this world which is not possible.So be happy with your believe.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="genious_devil"]India blame directly pakistan for mumbai attacks without evidence the biggest fools of world.If 1 bullet fired frm a gun than they rapidly blame muslims for this without knowing who fired that bullet.And christians be happy with your religion no 1 force u peoples for islam.Poster of this topic is only want to tell u peoples that dont take bad image of islam on the behalf of suicide attackers most peoples want elimination of muslims from this world which is not possible.So be happy with your believe.ghoklebutter

As bad as the grammar was in that post, I agree. 

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="genious_devil"]India blame directly pakistan for mumbai attacks without evidence the biggest fools of world.If 1 bullet fired frm a gun than they rapidly blame muslims for this without knowing who fired that bullet.And christians be happy with your religion no 1 force u peoples for islam.Poster of this topic is only want to tell u peoples that dont take bad image of islam on the behalf of suicide attackers most peoples want elimination of muslims from this world which is not possible.So be happy with your believe.Thinker_reborn

Dictatorship? Is that going to be somewhat like what the Christians believe near the "end of times"? Like an Anti-Christ figure? remmbermytitans

Yes, there is an Antichrist figure in Islam as well. I think their antichrist is far worse than ours. >_>

\[QUOTE="mixedplanet"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"] He knew about the future yet he failed to name a successor upon his death, thus creating the Sunni and Shiite split. Hard to see how he missed that little problem. remmbermytitans

He didnt miss the problem... It was all prophesized. He had 4 succeror, called Khalifa al Rashedun. Look it up. The dispute was with the last guy.

THe prophet SAW told us our(muslims) entire history.

He said first its going to prophethood until allah takes it away, It ended with the death of Prophet Muhammad SAW

Then Kihalafa al Rashedun (rightly guided Caliphs, The best Generation), it ended with the death of Ali Ibn Talib.

Then it will be kingdoms (Banu Ummayah, Banu Abbas, Mongols, Ottoman Empire) and it ended in 1924 in Turkey.

Then its going to Dictatorship, and its what we are living under right now

Then he said allah will return the khilafa al rashedun, which we are looking forward to.

Well i really do not know the chirtian side of anti-christ really well, care to elaborat for me?

Well i really do not know the chirtian side of anti-christ really well, care to elaborat for me?

mixedplanet

There are various views of what he is, but the literal view is this: A relatively unknown political figure, most likely from Europe, will gain tremendous popularity after the Rapture (an event that, according tot he literal view, will immediately send every Christian in the world to Heaven, thus sending the world in chaos). He quickly becomes a world leader, and a popular one. He makes peace between Israel and its neighbors for seven years.

However, as he becomes, literally, the king of the world, he starts becoming oppressive. After three and a half years, halfway into his deal with Israel, he'll break it, instigating another Holocaust. Possessed by Satan, he'll proclaim himself a god and demand worship from anyone and everyone. He will create a marking system that, for anyone without that mark (called the Mark of the Beast), buying or selling anything is impossible. Anyone without the mark is beheaded. This goes on for the remainder of those seven years. During the seven years, there are plagues, famines, worldwide earthquakes, wars, and other disasters that cut out 3/4 of the planet's population.

At the end of the seven years, after Armageddon (a world war), Jesus returns and destroys the Antichrist.

There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. That's also the literalist view, which I don't hold; I personally think the Antichrist was Emperor Nero. All throughout time people have been trying to guess who's the Antichrist (even though the Bible itself says it can't be known by anyone but himself) and this guessplay has lead to a lot of paranoia and deaths. People believed Bush was the Antichrist, now they believe it's Obama, ultra-fundies believe it is (or will be) a Pope, and countless others. Hence why I don't like the literal view.

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

Well i really do not know the chirtian side of anti-christ really well, care to elaborat for me?

Theokhoth

There are various views of what he is, but the literal view is this: A relatively unknown political figure, most likely from Europe, will gain tremendous popularity after the Rapture (an event that, according tot he literal view, will immediately send every Christian in the world to Heaven, thus sending the world in chaos). He quickly becomes a world leader, and a popular one. He makes peace between Israel and its neighbors for seven years.

However, as he becomes, literally, the king of the world, he starts becoming oppressive. After three and a half years, halfway into his deal with Israel, he'll break it, instigating another Holocaust. Possessed by Satan, he'll proclaim himself a god and demand worship from anyone and everyone. He will create a marking system that, for anyone without that mark (called the Mark of the Beast), buying or selling anything is impossible. Anyone without the mark is beheaded. This goes on for the remainder of those seven years. During the seven years, there are plagues, famines, worldwide earthquakes, wars, and other disasters that cut out 3/4 of the planet's population.

At the end of the seven years, after Armageddon (a world war), Jesus returns and destroys the Antichrist.

There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. That's also the literalist view, which I don't hold; I personally think the Antichrist was Emperor Nero. All throughout time people have been trying to guess who's the Antichrist (even though the Bible itself says it can't be known by anyone but himself) and this guessplay has lead to a lot of paranoia and deaths. People believed Bush was the Antichrist, now they believe it's Obama, ultra-fundies believe it is (or will be) a Pope, and countless others. Hence why I don't like the literal view.

:lol:@ Obama being the Antichrist.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

Well i really do not know the chirtian side of anti-christ really well, care to elaborat for me?

ghoklebutter

There are various views of what he is, but the literal view is this: A relatively unknown political figure, most likely from Europe, will gain tremendous popularity after the Rapture (an event that, according tot he literal view, will immediately send every Christian in the world to Heaven, thus sending the world in chaos). He quickly becomes a world leader, and a popular one. He makes peace between Israel and its neighbors for seven years.

However, as he becomes, literally, the king of the world, he starts becoming oppressive. After three and a half years, halfway into his deal with Israel, he'll break it, instigating another Holocaust. Possessed by Satan, he'll proclaim himself a god and demand worship from anyone and everyone. He will create a marking system that, for anyone without that mark (called the Mark of the Beast), buying or selling anything is impossible. Anyone without the mark is beheaded. This goes on for the remainder of those seven years. During the seven years, there are plagues, famines, worldwide earthquakes, wars, and other disasters that cut out 3/4 of the planet's population.

At the end of the seven years, after Armageddon (a world war), Jesus returns and destroys the Antichrist.

There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. That's also the literalist view, which I don't hold; I personally think the Antichrist was Emperor Nero. All throughout time people have been trying to guess who's the Antichrist (even though the Bible itself says it can't be known by anyone but himself) and this guessplay has lead to a lot of paranoia and deaths. People believed Bush was the Antichrist, now they believe it's Obama, ultra-fundies believe it is (or will be) a Pope, and countless others. Hence why I don't like the literal view.

:lol:@ Obama being the Antichrist.

From the literal perspective, he does fit the bill of the guy who everybody loves in the beginning, promising hope and change, etc. . . .but yeah, overall, LOL.

The Koran is a very confusing book to read. It's scriptures are not in chronological order but in order of length so when reading it, there really is no context to it. You need to also use books called Hadith (which are essentially biographies of mohammed) as reference points to get any context out of the Koran. By reading these and the koran you can clearly see that mohammed was not really a prophet at all and a lot of his "episodes" where he claims to be speaking the words of allah are really just prophiecies of convience. At first mohammed wanted to be recognized by christians and jews as a real prophet so he prophisized peace but when they would not accept him, he got mad and started to prophisize war and terror. Mohammed was not actually a prophet of allah at all but rather someone who wanted glory to himself and a cult following so he could be idolized.

thegrimpeeper

That gives a pretty good picture of Islam and God is certainly not the cruel and angry fellow like some athesists think over here.

I'm sorry, but the "God" that you worship is not the one, true God. Tell me why "your" God (of Islam) advocates suicide bombers killing innocent lives?

That gives a pretty good picture of Islam and God is certainly not the cruel and angry fellow like some athesists think over here.

I'm sorry, but the "God" that you worship is not the one, true God. Tell me why "your" God (of Islam) advocates suicide bombers killing innocent lives?

Doesn't the Christian God do that too?NoSpeakyEnglish

Suicide is a sin in Christianity. . .

[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"]Doesn't the Christian God do that too?Theokhoth

Suicide is a sin in Christianity. . .

As it is in Islam....

[QUOTE="Link1515"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

That gives a pretty good picture of Islam and God is certainly not the cruel and angry fellow like some athesists think over here.

ishoturface

I'm sorry, but the "God" that you worship is not the one, true God. Tell me why "your" God (of Islam) advocates suicide bombers killing innocent lives?

Allah (swt) does NOT advocate suicide bombing and killing innocent people. Good grief. :|

Doesn't the Christian God do that too?NoSpeakyEnglish

Suicide is a sin in Christianity. . .

As it is in Islam....

I don't perceive it in a negative light. One of my closest friends is Muslim, he doesn't scream "Death to the infidels!" though he is pretty anti-Israel, which is one of many things I disagree with him on. I just dislike the radicals, but then again that goes for pretty much everything.NightStalkerBX

If anything he should be anti-zionisim, because Israel is really cool.

[QUOTE="mixedplanet"]

Well i really do not know the chirtian side of anti-christ really well, care to elaborat for me?

Theokhoth

There are various views of what he is, but the literal view is this: A relatively unknown political figure, most likely from Europe, will gain tremendous popularity after the Rapture (an event that, according tot he literal view, will immediately send every Christian in the world to Heaven, thus sending the world in chaos). He quickly becomes a world leader, and a popular one. He makes peace between Israel and its neighbors for seven years.

However, as he becomes, literally, the king of the world, he starts becoming oppressive. After three and a half years, halfway into his deal with Israel, he'll break it, instigating another Holocaust. Possessed by Satan, he'll proclaim himself a god and demand worship from anyone and everyone. He will create a marking system that, for anyone without that mark (called the Mark of the Beast), buying or selling anything is impossible. Anyone without the mark is beheaded. This goes on for the remainder of those seven years. During the seven years, there are plagues, famines, worldwide earthquakes, wars, and other disasters that cut out 3/4 of the planet's population.

At the end of the seven years, after Armageddon (a world war), Jesus returns and destroys the Antichrist.

There's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. That's also the literalist view, which I don't hold; I personally think the Antichrist was Emperor Nero. All throughout time people have been trying to guess who's the Antichrist (even though the Bible itself says it can't be known by anyone but himself) and this guessplay has lead to a lot of paranoia and deaths. People believed Bush was the Antichrist, now they believe it's Obama, ultra-fundies believe it is (or will be) a Pope, and countless others. Hence why I don't like the literal view.

wow, its way way way different than Islamic point of view.

Doesn't the Christian God do that too?NoSpeakyEnglish

Suicide is a sin in Christianity. . .

As it is in Islam....

Yeah some Westerners do have a bad perception of Muslims, but then again they cant tell the difference a Hindu or Muslim person if they meet them. Same goes for Chinese, Japanese etc. It goes to show you what little information they are spoon fed by the media. I hope people dont have a bad view on Islamic people, only on the terrorists.

Yeah some Westerners do have a bad perception of Muslims, but then again they cant tell the difference a Hindu or Muslim person if they meet them. Same goes for Chinese, Japanese etc. It goes to show you what little information they are spoon fed by the media. I hope people dont have a bad view on Islamic people, only on the terrorists.

RedMasterDX

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]I... don't care. From what I have seen of Islamic culture, i don't like it. Most of all the oppresion of women. AirGuitarist87

It's the people who are doing it wrong.Islamic teachings arent that way.

You cant blame a religion becasue of it's people.You dont have to follow the people,you have to follow what Islam teaches and it never teaches you extremisim,oppression of women etc!

No, its true and valid. Even though, I dont recognize the OP and I dont know what he has said before...I agree with him almost completely on this...

If you go through many of the popular hadiths(quotations and stories of the life of the prophet) you will definitly stumble upon a hadith where the prophet describes the state of the muslim ummah (world community i.e. all muslims as a whole) in the future and says, contrary to what his companions around him expected, that the ummah in the future will be very very weak, not because of battles lost or deficiencies of the message of Islam but because of the muslims themselves.

meaning its our fault and our fault alone that these extremist groups exist, twisting the truth will lies.

its our fault alone that most muslims live in poverty and live under oppresive, evil governments...

its our fault alone that the hijab/scarf the simple of a womens chastity (like nuns), freedon and rights has been used and abuse to the point where the whole world see it as a symbol of the oppression of women.

So dont blame Islam for the actions of its people...because more often than not when a muslim does something bad, its something that is forbidden by Islam...

If I'm honest with you, I do think you're pretty extreme. And I think the same of your religion. Irrespective of whether it promotes "peace" and "equality", in a religion where women aren't to show anything other than their eyes, and homosexuals are usually killed, its a very backward way of life.Bourbons3

So dont blame Islam for the actions of its people...because more often than not when a muslim does something bad, its something that is forbidden by Islam...Kiras_must_die