Right. One persons agenda should influence future political actions. Gotcha...Just another reason in a mountain on why the US should defund Israel and stop protecting them in the UN.. If Israel doesn't like the consquences.. MAYBE THEY CAN ACTUALLY try to solve it! At this time there is absolutely NO motivation for them to solve the problem.. IN fact its the polar opposite.. They have more reason to illegal take over the West Bank and settle it.. Because the US will continue to coddle them with out question.. This is just another false sense of appeasement.. That if the US asks enough that they will do it, Israel promises they will change.. But they never do.. Pull out all assets from Israel.. If Israel wants to make a change, than do it.. And the US will support them.. And in the end the US should be trying help both sides of the civilians.. In the end supporting Israel is the worse idea ever for the US,a nation that is trying to improve froeign policy with the Middle East.
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Israeli Soldiers Beating Women
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Right. One persons agenda should influence future political actions. Gotcha...Just another reason in a mountain on why the US should defund Israel and stop protecting them in the UN.. If Israel doesn't like the consquences.. MAYBE THEY CAN ACTUALLY try to solve it! At this time there is absolutely NO motivation for them to solve the problem.. IN fact its the polar opposite.. They have more reason to illegal take over the West Bank and settle it.. Because the US will continue to coddle them with out question.. This is just another false sense of appeasement.. That if the US asks enough that they will do it, Israel promises they will change.. But they never do.. Pull out all assets from Israel.. If Israel wants to make a change, than do it.. And the US will support them.. And in the end the US should be trying help both sides of the civilians.. In the end supporting Israel is the worse idea ever for the US,a nation that is trying to improve froeign policy with the Middle East.
LJS9502_basic
One person? I said a mountain.. Of evidence.. perhapes you shoudl REREAD what I said..
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] As I recall he was stating that if the act occurred that you mentioned...without any support...happened the UN would know. So I don't see the analogy there. As I recall...you aren't fond of Israel are you?LJS9502_basic
The UN rarely does anything nor neutrally investigate any small Palestine-Israel events. I don't see how my dislike to Israel bears any importance, there are many that don't, I just happen to be more vocal. I'm similar to the next guy that posts a negative Muslim/Arab thread.
"Which doesn't mean we know what happened. It could have been overreaction on the part of the soldiers...or it could have occurred because of something the women haddone. And we don't know where they went....so speculation does nothing but cause problems."
Again, I created the thread to understand and voice opinions. You stick to yours, I'll stick to mine. As I recall, you like to refrain from opinions on many sensitive and controversial material due to "lack of information".
I'm signing out till someone explain this to me.
No one here can explain it to you because no one here knows what happened. More than likely it seems to me that you want someone to agree with your assumptions. But that doesn't mean they are correct.
This is where you are wrong yet correct. I created this topic out of this sole reason.
1)Darkman2007 is an Israeli, I want to see his opinion.mayceV is a Jordon living of a Palestinian homeland, I want to also see his opinion.
Of course showing the bigotry of Israel and supporting my agenda always comes to play, but that is not a reason to stop me or anyome from posting the video.
Right. One persons agenda should influence future political actions. Gotcha...[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Just another reason in a mountain on why the US should defund Israel and stop protecting them in the UN.. If Israel doesn't like the consquences.. MAYBE THEY CAN ACTUALLY try to solve it! At this time there is absolutely NO motivation for them to solve the problem.. IN fact its the polar opposite.. They have more reason to illegal take over the West Bank and settle it.. Because the US will continue to coddle them with out question.. This is just another false sense of appeasement.. That if the US asks enough that they will do it, Israel promises they will change.. But they never do.. Pull out all assets from Israel.. If Israel wants to make a change, than do it.. And the US will support them.. And in the end the US should be trying help both sides of the civilians.. In the end supporting Israel is the worse idea ever for the US,a nation that is trying to improve froeign policy with the Middle East.
sSubZerOo
One person? I said a mountain.. Of evidence.. perhapes you shoudl REREAD what I said..
I read what you said. And without knowing exactly what was going on...you formed an opinion that the bias present in the video was correct.
That's happens everywhere when they need to force protesters away, whats up with the hate Israel bandwagon anyway.RobbazkingIts the popular thing these days..
Unless either was present....their idea is no more valid than anyone else looking at that video...which doesn't give the entire story. As with documentaries...when I find bias....I discredit the presentation.\
This is where you are wrong yet correct. I created this topic out of this sole reason.
1)Darkman2007 is an Israeli, I want to see his opinion.mayceV is a Jordon living of a Palestinian homeland, I want to also see his opinion.
Of course showing the bigotry of Israel and supporting my agenda always comes to play, but that is not a reason to stop me or anyome from posting the video.
Victorious_Fize
Unless either was present....their idea is no more valid than anyone else looking at that video...which doesn't give the entire story. As with documentaries...when I find bias....I discredit the presentation.[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
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This is where you are wrong yet correct. I created this topic out of this sole reason.
1)Darkman2007 is an Israeli, I want to see his opinion.mayceV is a Jordon living of a Palestinian homeland, I want to also see his opinion.
Of course showing the bigotry of Israel and supporting my agenda always comes to play, but that is not a reason to stop me or anyome from posting the video.
LJS9502_basic
No offense but if two active members on the issue provide you with information and they are of opposing sides is not enough, then you are really not flexible on this situation.
Unless either was present....their idea is no more valid than anyone else looking at that video...which doesn't give the entire story. As with documentaries...when I find bias....I discredit the presentation.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
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This is where you are wrong yet correct. I created this topic out of this sole reason.
1)Darkman2007 is an Israeli, I want to see his opinion.mayceV is a Jordon living of a Palestinian homeland, I want to also see his opinion.
Of course showing the bigotry of Israel and supporting my agenda always comes to play, but that is not a reason to stop me or anyome from posting the video.
Victorious_Fize
No offense but if two active members on the issue provide you with information and they are of opposing sides is not enough, then you are really not flexible on this situation.
If they weren't there...they have no better idea then we do. ;)
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Right. One persons agenda should influence future political actions. Gotcha...LJS9502_basic
One person? I said a mountain.. Of evidence.. perhapes you shoudl REREAD what I said..
I read what you said. And without knowing exactly what was going on...you formed an opinion that the bias present in the video was correct.Read the very beginning.. Notice I said "Just another reason" as IN there are others.. And since I used the metaphor of a MOUNTAIN.. That would suggest there are numerous reasons.. I have studied the conflict of the region.. There is little reason in post Cold War Era for the US to unquestioningably support them... The US should not blindly throw out money, like Pakistan, we have seen how useful that is.. Its a money train and support they will twist to their own ends as much as possible.. The US system when it comes to direct finicial aid of a government like Israel and Pakistan should be based upon RESULTS.
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Unless either was present....their idea is no more valid than anyone else looking at that video...which doesn't give the entire story. As with documentaries...when I find bias....I discredit the presentation.
LJS9502_basic
No offense but if two active members on the issue provide you with information and they are of opposing sides is not enough, then you are really not flexible on this situation.
If they weren't there...they have no better idea then we do. ;)Your extent is near impossible on a gaming board. Those that were in the event are also extremely far from nuetral, none of them is a credible source.
All I want to know is if the women will be safe or not. The video was edited, but the statements and actions are very much true.
I read what you said. And without knowing exactly what was going on...you formed an opinion that the bias present in the video was correct.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
One person? I said a mountain.. Of evidence.. perhapes you shoudl REREAD what I said..
sSubZerOo
Read the very beginning.. Notice I said "Just another reason" as IN there are others.. And since I used the metaphor of a MOUNTAIN.. That would suggest there are numerous reasons.. I have studied the conflict of the region.. There is little reason in post Cold War Era for the US to unquestioningably support them... The US should not blindly throw out money, like Pakistan, we have seen how useful that is.. Its a money train and support they will twist to their own ends as much as possible.. The US system when it comes to direct finicial aid of a government like Israel and Pakistan should be based upon RESULTS.
Again I read it...and that FIRST sentence is why I take exception to your comment. You gave validity to a video being used to present a particular viewpoint with no regard to the actual events.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I read what you said. And without knowing exactly what was going on...you formed an opinion that the bias present in the video was correct.LJS9502_basic
Read the very beginning.. Notice I said "Just another reason" as IN there are others.. And since I used the metaphor of a MOUNTAIN.. That would suggest there are numerous reasons.. I have studied the conflict of the region.. There is little reason in post Cold War Era for the US to unquestioningably support them... The US should not blindly throw out money, like Pakistan, we have seen how useful that is.. Its a money train and support they will twist to their own ends as much as possible.. The US system when it comes to direct finicial aid of a government like Israel and Pakistan should be based upon RESULTS.
Again I read it...and that FIRST sentence is why I take exception to your comment. You gave validity to a video being used to present a particular viewpoint with no regard to the actual events.Fine LJ keep twisting because I have clarified over and over again to exaclty what I meant.. Ignore the entire topic, it seems like thats what your good at.
If they weren't there...they have no better idea then we do. ;)[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
No offense but if two active members on the issue provide you with information and they are of opposing sides is not enough, then you are really not flexible on this situation.
Victorious_Fize
Your extent is near impossible on a gaming board. Those that were in the event are also extremely far from nuetral, none of them is a credible source.
All I want to know is if the women will be safe or not. The video was edited, but the statements and actions are very much true.
That's why I said we shouldn't make snap decisions. Had the soldiers done something to the women...it would have made the news. The fact that it didn't means it's a non story. After all....video was taken that day. It wouldn't have been hushed up. The fact that it's only present on youtube with obvious edits....should answer your question. Step outside yourself and think about the lack of coverage.How did I twist that you gave this incident credence? It's in your words.....Fine LJ keep twisting because I have clarified over and over again to exaclty what I meant.. Ignore the entire topic, it seems like thats what your good at.
sSubZerOo
Notice I said "Just another reason"sSubZerOo
How did I twist that you gave this incident credence? It's in your words.....[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Fine LJ keep twisting because I have clarified over and over again to exaclty what I meant.. Ignore the entire topic, it seems like thats what your good at.
LJS9502_basic
Notice I said "Just another reason"sSubZerOo
..Where did I say that, that specific incidient? Just another reason upon a mountain of reasons on why the US needs to not support them.. Thats what I specifically mean.. This is just a example of whats happenign over there, on why the US should not be supporting them with out question.. I do not hate Israel, I woudl support Israel completely if they actually tried to solve the West Bank issue among other things.. Bu tthey haven't.. The US continues to support them unquestioningly.. That is not sound strategy nor is it politically advantageous to the US goverment.. Is that clear enough? I came name off a laundry list of what exactly Israel has done in the past and currently to why the US should not support them (or any side).
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]If they weren't there...they have no better idea then we do. ;)LJS9502_basic
Your extent is near impossible on a gaming board. Those that were in the event are also extremely far from nuetral, none of them is a credible source.
All I want to know is if the women will be safe or not. The video was edited, but the statements and actions are very much true.
That's why I said we shouldn't make snap decisions. Had the soldiers done something to the women...it would have made the news. The fact that it didn't means it's a non story. After all....video was taken that day. It wouldn't have been hushed up. The fact that it's only present on youtube with obvious edits....should answer your question. Step outside yourself and think about the lack of coverage.My snap decision was purely based on mistreatment of women, not anything else. You'd be surprised to how easily I can be enraged due to what I consider morally wrong. A lot of events get hushed up everyday, with little to no agencies to endorse, especially when it comes to Israeli issues.
On one hand, we don't know the situation, and it sounded pretty tense all around. On the other, wow. They looked completely out of line.majoras_wrath
This is pretty much my stance.
It looked pretty bad, but there is not that much context. And also, Israel is not the only country with out-of-line soldiers.
I would just say that the women shouldn't have been treated like that and I'll leave it at that.
Edit: accidently said cops instead of soldiers since I was thinking about the tazing thread.
Pretty typical of the military of Israel.
[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]On one hand, we don't know the situation, and it sounded pretty tense all around. On the other, wow. They looked completely out of line.GreySeal9
This is pretty much my stance.
It looked pretty bad, but there is not that much context. And also, Israel is not the only country with out-of-line soldiers.
I would just say that the women shouldn't have been treated like that and I'll leave it at that.
Edit: accidently said cops instead of soldiers since I was thinking about the tazing thread.
Yes but the US are not funneling those countries billions of dollars in aid money and protecting them unquestioningly in the UN (blocking all punitive action by the UN against Israel, the kind of punitive actions they do to North Korea and Iran).. Furthermore its a endless well of hatred that is produced by our support of Israel which is harming our position and policy within the Middle East.
without anything being said about what they did/didn't do. can't really comment on it. other than that... War happens
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[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]On one hand, we don't know the situation, and it sounded pretty tense all around. On the other, wow. They looked completely out of line.sSubZerOo
This is pretty much my stance.
It looked pretty bad, but there is not that much context. And also, Israel is not the only country with out-of-line soldiers.
I would just say that the women shouldn't have been treated like that and I'll leave it at that.
Edit: accidently said cops instead of soldiers since I was thinking about the tazing thread.
Yes but the US are not funneling those countries billions of dollars in aid money and protecting them unquestioningly in the UN (blocking all punitive action by the UN against Israel, the kind of punitive actions they do to North Korea and Iran).. Furthermore its a endless well of hatred that is produced by our support of Israel which is harming our position and policy within the Middle East.
I do agree that US policy towards Israel needs changes. They shouldn't get a blank check.
Maybe you should be rereading my posts. I KNOW what you said. And the fact that you said it's a reason...means YOU gave credence to the video. Even though it's an edited video where we know nothing that preceded it....nothing that followed it...and what is shown is not the full story. So you can tell me again you said it's another reason...but that doesn't change the fact that THAT is what I find wrong with the post.Read the very beginning.. Notice I said "Just another reason" as IN there are others.. And since I used the metaphor of a MOUNTAIN.. That would suggest there are numerous reasons.. I have studied the conflict of the region.. There is little reason in post Cold War Era for the US to unquestioningably support them... The US should not blindly throw out money, like Pakistan, we have seen how useful that is.. Its a money train and support they will twist to their own ends as much as possible.. The US system when it comes to direct finicial aid of a government like Israel and Pakistan should be based upon RESULTS.
sSubZerOo
In this thread.:|..Where did I say that, that specific incidient? Just another reason upon a mountain of reasons on why the US needs to not support them.. Thats what I specifically mean.. This is just a example of whats happenign over there, on why the US should not be supporting them with out question.. I do not hate Israel, I woudl support Israel completely if they actually tried to solve the West Bank issue among other things.. Bu tthey haven't.. The US continues to support them unquestioningly.. That is not sound strategy nor is it politically advantageous to the US goverment.. Is that clear enough? I came name off a laundry list of what exactly Israel has done in the past and currently to why the US should not support them (or any side).
sSubZerOo
That's why I said we shouldn't make snap decisions. Had the soldiers done something to the women...it would have made the news. The fact that it didn't means it's a non story. After all....video was taken that day. It wouldn't have been hushed up. The fact that it's only present on youtube with obvious edits....should answer your question. Step outside yourself and think about the lack of coverage.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
Your extent is near impossible on a gaming board. Those that were in the event are also extremely far from nuetral, none of them is a credible source.
All I want to know is if the women will be safe or not. The video was edited, but the statements and actions are very much true.
Victorious_Fize
My snap decision was purely based on mistreatment of women, not anything else. You'd be surprised to how easily I can be enraged due to what I consider morally wrong. A lot of events get hushed up everyday, with little to no agencies to endorse, especially when it comes to Israeli issues.
Mistreatment of women? What if the women had attacked first? We can't consider it mistreatment if we don't know what led up to the actions. Which is my point. Something that was recorded by someone with an obvious bias against Israel would not have been hushed up if it has shown something clearly wrong. Had the person with the camera been a supported...then yes I could see them hushing something up. But not when they definitely not on the side of the soldiers.In this thread.:|[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
..Where did I say that, that specific incidient? Just another reason upon a mountain of reasons on why the US needs to not support them.. Thats what I specifically mean.. This is just a example of whats happenign over there, on why the US should not be supporting them with out question.. I do not hate Israel, I woudl support Israel completely if they actually tried to solve the West Bank issue among other things.. Bu tthey haven't.. The US continues to support them unquestioningly.. That is not sound strategy nor is it politically advantageous to the US goverment.. Is that clear enough? I came name off a laundry list of what exactly Israel has done in the past and currently to why the US should not support them (or any side).
LJS9502_basic
Perhapes I am not clear enough I said this is just another example out of a mountain to why the US needs to stop supporting them unquestioningly.. Am I clear enough now? I did not mean this specific event alone was all the reason they needed..
In this thread.:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
..Where did I say that, that specific incidient? Just another reason upon a mountain of reasons on why the US needs to not support them.. Thats what I specifically mean.. This is just a example of whats happenign over there, on why the US should not be supporting them with out question.. I do not hate Israel, I woudl support Israel completely if they actually tried to solve the West Bank issue among other things.. Bu tthey haven't.. The US continues to support them unquestioningly.. That is not sound strategy nor is it politically advantageous to the US goverment.. Is that clear enough? I came name off a laundry list of what exactly Israel has done in the past and currently to why the US should not support them (or any side).
sSubZerOo
Perhapes I am not clear enough I said this is just another example out of a mountain to why the US needs to stop supporting them unquestioningly.. Am I clear enough now? I did not mean this specific event alone was all the reason they needed..
See there it is again. Considering we don't know what was going on...the fact that you keep saying it's a reason means you made a snap judgement based on biased video that this is a reason. I never said anything about you saying this incident alone. But you still represent this incident as Israeli soldiers doing something wrong when we have no actual evidence. You were never unclear to me. I still don't think it's correct to say this incident is good, bad, or indifferent. Given that nothing is actually shown of a fact finding nature. But when one is looking for validation to opinion....I guess they see what they want.[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's why I said we shouldn't make snap decisions. Had the soldiers done something to the women...it would have made the news. The fact that it didn't means it's a non story. After all....video was taken that day. It wouldn't have been hushed up. The fact that it's only present on youtube with obvious edits....should answer your question. Step outside yourself and think about the lack of coverage.
LJS9502_basic
My snap decision was purely based on mistreatment of women, not anything else. You'd be surprised to how easily I can be enraged due to what I consider morally wrong. A lot of events get hushed up everyday, with little to no agencies to endorse, especially when it comes to Israeli issues.
Mistreatment of women? What if the women had attacked first? We can't consider it mistreatment if we don't know what led up to the actions. Which is my point. Something that was recorded by someone with an obvious bias against Israel would not have been hushed up if it has shown something clearly wrong. Had the person with the camera been a supported...then yes I could see them hushing something up. But not when they definitely not on the side of the soldiers.Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]In this thread.:|
LJS9502_basic
Perhapes I am not clear enough I said this is just another example out of a mountain to why the US needs to stop supporting them unquestioningly.. Am I clear enough now? I did not mean this specific event alone was all the reason they needed..
See there it is again. Considering we don't know what was going on...the fact that you keep saying it's a reason means you made a snap judgement based on biased video that this is a reason. I never said anything about you saying this incident alone. But you still represent this incident as Israeli soldiers doing something wrong when we have no actual evidence. You were never unclear to me. I still don't think it's correct to say this incident is good, bad, or indifferent. Given that nothing is actually shown of a fact finding nature. But when one is looking for validation to opinion....I guess they see what they want.Personally I didn't even watch the video because I don't care.. Both sides screwed its a FUBAR situation, and this comes to the point of the matter.. I could care less about this situation one way or the other.. Because its not the guiding reason to why I hold the position.. Must I list off whats happening in the West Bank, what Israel did in the 1967, 1973, and Lebenon Civil Wars? Must I point out the scorched earth tactics Israel uses in caring little for collateral damage as shown with the Lebenon Hezzobollah conflict some years back... I expect this to happen as it happens on both sides of the conflict, of soldiers or militants harming innocent bystanders.. You think that I am demonizing Israel and trying to defend Palestine leadership.. Because I am not...
Mistreatment of women? What if the women had attacked first? We can't consider it mistreatment if we don't know what led up to the actions. Which is my point. Something that was recorded by someone with an obvious bias against Israel would not have been hushed up if it has shown something clearly wrong. Had the person with the camera been a supported...then yes I could see them hushing something up. But not when they definitely not on the side of the soldiers.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
My snap decision was purely based on mistreatment of women, not anything else. You'd be surprised to how easily I can be enraged due to what I consider morally wrong. A lot of events get hushed up everyday, with little to no agencies to endorse, especially when it comes to Israeli issues.
Victorious_Fize
Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Mistreatment of women? What if the women had attacked first? We can't consider it mistreatment if we don't know what led up to the actions. Which is my point. Something that was recorded by someone with an obvious bias against Israel would not have been hushed up if it has shown something clearly wrong. Had the person with the camera been a supported...then yes I could see them hushing something up. But not when they definitely not on the side of the soldiers.LJS9502_basic
Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?Who cares one way or the other? We have footage and evidence countless times historically of both sides brutalizing one another. This isn't exactly the first incident, its one of countless others that have happened on both sides of the conflict.
Israel shouldn't exist... all I'm gonna say
Israel shouldn't exist... all I'm gonna say
Meat_Wad_Fan
Its too late for that, we would only be harming more people.. A clear and concise solution to be made no doubt.. But Israel is clealry not doing it.. And the Palestinian leadership is basically backed in a corner where they either fight or die by their view.
Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
sSubZerOo
Who cares one way or the other? We have footage and evidence countless times historically of both sides brutalizing one another. This isn't exactly the first incident, its one of countless others that have happened on both sides of the conflict.
So why demonize just the one side?[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Mistreatment of women? What if the women had attacked first? We can't consider it mistreatment if we don't know what led up to the actions. Which is my point. Something that was recorded by someone with an obvious bias against Israel would not have been hushed up if it has shown something clearly wrong. Had the person with the camera been a supported...then yes I could see them hushing something up. But not when they definitely not on the side of the soldiers.LJS9502_basic
Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?Ask yourself... why did that man shout about taking the women? Why did that old lady weep because of it? Why did men bled due to sticks beating their head? Is any of that playing in Israel favour? No.
Also, not only attractive, but any sane person would not attack military personnel.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?
LJS9502_basic
Who cares one way or the other? We have footage and evidence countless times historically of both sides brutalizing one another. This isn't exactly the first incident, its one of countless others that have happened on both sides of the conflict.
So why demonize just the one side?I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.... No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it. Israel is constantly painted victim.. Even though they are the ones since really 1970s that have had all the advantages, all the support.. Palestinians weren't really recognized until the 90s.. This isn't saying thir relationship are good guys, they are not.. But they are not above the idea that they are desperate and will do anything in the end to try to beat back Israel.. This needs to be alieved as well as a two state solution imo.
So why demonize just the one side?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Who cares one way or the other? We have footage and evidence countless times historically of both sides brutalizing one another. This isn't exactly the first incident, its one of countless others that have happened on both sides of the conflict.
sSubZerOo
I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.. And they are not.. No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it.
Hamas is a backer....and they are affiliated with other groups. They just don't have US backing....and Hamas shouldn't.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Who cares one way or the other? We have footage and evidence countless times historically of both sides brutalizing one another. This isn't exactly the first incident, its one of countless others that have happened on both sides of the conflict.
So why demonize just the one side?I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.. And they are not.. No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it.
Palestinian leadership needs to sever its ties with Hamas -- all of them -- before Israel would ever consider peacefully coexisting with them... regardless, it doesn't give the military any right to brutalize civilians...Do you have some proof that attractive red heads would never attack? You don't know what happened. You do know video exists. Now ask yourself...why would it need to be edited?[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
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Yeah, of course, becuase an attractive teenage looking red head is totally gonna attack the millitary. :|
That's a snap judgement fyi, at least I got videos to back me up.
Victorious_Fize
Ask yourself... why did that man shout about taking the women? Why did that old lady weep because of it? Why did men bled due to sticks beating their head? Is any of that playing in Israel favour? No.
Also, not only attractive, but any sane person would not attack military personnel.
Yet military people do get attacked. I'd imagine they are shouting because they don't like the soldiers. I've seen people clearly break the law....and I've heard their friends shout when they were arrested. The fact that they shouted didn't make the person any less culpable. But if you're not going to entertain that you might not have all the pieces then there is nothing more to be said. You made up your mind already so further discussion is pointless.[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So why demonize just the one side?LJS9502_basic
I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.. And they are not.. No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it.
Hamas is a backer....and they are affiliated with other groups. They just don't have US backing....and Hamas shouldn't.I never endorsed Hamasa except for the mere fact it's about the only notable support for Palestine. Can you imagine no party to actually support Palestine? Yikes.
I'll tell you what, let the US evens things out, and I'll actually stop being so much of a demonizing man.
But nooo, Obama wants "West to lead"...
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So why demonize just the one side?LJS9502_basic
I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.. And they are not.. No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it.
Hamas is a backer....and they are affiliated with other groups. They just don't have US backing....and Hamas shouldn't.Hamas is a small group they are not a super power.. That is nothing.. And no where did I say the US should support Palestine. They should support a way to peace.. Something Israel is clealry not doing.. ANd something Palestine really has never been given the chance to.. The US should pull support, and base their aid on results reached or at least attempts.. Israel has done neither full heartedly.. They have been given a blank check and the ability to muscle every power in the region since 1967 war.. I don't see Israel as some evil country.. I see them just like their neighbors in most regards.. Ambitious, selfish and having little care for their neighbors in less its for some common goal.. What seperates Israel is they have gotten world support, especially from the US.. Given billions of dollars.. The Palestinian leadership was swept under the rug and forgotten.. Forced to be governed under governments that did not care for them.. Whether it was ISrael, Jordan, Lebenon etc etc.. They only were officially recognized as a group during the 90's for christ sakes.. Thats a gap of 40 years of being a unrecognized population that was leaderless and forced by other gorups into where they could fit.. Its no wonder they radicalized... This doesn't mean we should suppor tthem, but it certainly doesn't mean we should support Israel either.. Especially unquestionably.
Hamas is a backer....and they are affiliated with other groups. They just don't have US backing....and Hamas shouldn't.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
I don't.. But the fact the matter is.. One side is getting money by the US.. One side is being protected in the UN by the US from human rights violations and harmful punitive economic sanctions.. And one side is clearly in control of the conflict iwth top of the line military and control of the region.. The other side has no real backers, was just only recently recognized as a group internationally.. And is dirt poor and controls nothing.. You can clearly see who is in control o this conflict.. And what has the most expectiations in trying to end it.. Israel.. And they are not.. No where did I say we should support Palistanian leadership.. We should try to help both sides civilians.. And reward aid through RESULTS.. Not just blinding giving it.
sSubZerOo
Hamas is a small group they are not a super power.. That is nothing.. And no where did I say the US should support Palestine. They should support a way to peace.. Something Israel is clealry not doing.. ANd something Palestine really has never been given the chance to.. The US should pull support, and base their aid on results reached or at least attempts.. Israel has done neither full heartedly.. They have been given a blank check and the ability to muscle every power in the region since 1967 war.. I don't see Israel as some evil country.. I see them just like their neighbors in most regards.. Ambitious, selfish and having little care for their neighbors in less its for some common goal.. What seperates Israel is they have gotten world support, especially from the US.. Given billions of dollars.. The Palestinian leadership was swept under the rug and forgotten.. Forced to be governed under governments that did not care for them.. Whether it was ISrael, Jordan, Lebenon etc etc.. They only were officially recognized as a group during the 90's for christ sakes.. Thats a gap of 40 years of being a unrecognized population that was leaderless and forced by other gorups into where they could fit.. Its no wonder they radicalized... This doesn't mean we should suppor tthem, but it certainly doesn't mean we should support Israel either.. Especially unquestionably.
Hamas runs the country. They aren't minor dude.:|:|
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Hamas is a backer....and they are affiliated with other groups. They just don't have US backing....and Hamas shouldn't.LJS9502_basic
Hamas is a small group they are not a super power.. That is nothing.. And no where did I say the US should support Palestine. They should support a way to peace.. Something Israel is clealry not doing.. ANd something Palestine really has never been given the chance to.. The US should pull support, and base their aid on results reached or at least attempts.. Israel has done neither full heartedly.. They have been given a blank check and the ability to muscle every power in the region since 1967 war.. I don't see Israel as some evil country.. I see them just like their neighbors in most regards.. Ambitious, selfish and having little care for their neighbors in less its for some common goal.. What seperates Israel is they have gotten world support, especially from the US.. Given billions of dollars.. The Palestinian leadership was swept under the rug and forgotten.. Forced to be governed under governments that did not care for them.. Whether it was ISrael, Jordan, Lebenon etc etc.. They only were officially recognized as a group during the 90's for christ sakes.. Thats a gap of 40 years of being a unrecognized population that was leaderless and forced by other gorups into where they could fit.. Its no wonder they radicalized... This doesn't mean we should suppor tthem, but it certainly doesn't mean we should support Israel either.. Especially unquestionably.
Hamas runs the country. They aren't minor dude.:|:| Do they have a UN position within the security council? Do they have billions of dollars of top of the line hardware backing them? Do they have allies of super power or first world countries? Yes in this comparison they are a minor force.. If you seriously think that the support of finicially gain and military related features equals what the Palestinians are getitng through the Hamas.. Than you need a reality check.. It has always been a one sided battle since the 1967 war.. In that Israel is absolutely dominating all its neighbors technologically and by overall force..
I didn't read the whole thread yet but did anyone come in calling anyone who shows displeasure with what the soldiers are doing in the video "anti-semites" or the like? Those tend to be the highlights of these threads. And they're inevitable.Pixel-Pirate
Which is funny because Arabs are a semitic race/culture.
I fully agree with this.Just another reason in a mountain on why the US should defund Israel and stop protecting them in the UN.. If Israel doesn't like the consquences.. MAYBE THEY CAN ACTUALLY try to solve it! At this time there is absolutely NO motivation for them to solve the problem.. IN fact its the polar opposite.. They have more reason to illegal take over the West Bank and settle it.. Because the US will continue to coddle them with out question.. This is just another false sense of appeasement.. That if the US asks enough that they will do it, Israel promises they will change.. But they never do.. Pull out all assets from Israel.. If Israel wants to make a change, than do it.. And the US will support them.. And in the end the US should be trying help both sides of the civilians.. In the end supporting Israel is the worse idea ever for the US,a nation that is trying to improve froeign policy with the Middle East.
sSubZerOo
Hamas runs the country. They aren't minor dude.:|:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Hamas is a small group they are not a super power.. That is nothing.. And no where did I say the US should support Palestine. They should support a way to peace.. Something Israel is clealry not doing.. ANd something Palestine really has never been given the chance to.. The US should pull support, and base their aid on results reached or at least attempts.. Israel has done neither full heartedly.. They have been given a blank check and the ability to muscle every power in the region since 1967 war.. I don't see Israel as some evil country.. I see them just like their neighbors in most regards.. Ambitious, selfish and having little care for their neighbors in less its for some common goal.. What seperates Israel is they have gotten world support, especially from the US.. Given billions of dollars.. The Palestinian leadership was swept under the rug and forgotten.. Forced to be governed under governments that did not care for them.. Whether it was ISrael, Jordan, Lebenon etc etc.. They only were officially recognized as a group during the 90's for christ sakes.. Thats a gap of 40 years of being a unrecognized population that was leaderless and forced by other gorups into where they could fit.. Its no wonder they radicalized... This doesn't mean we should suppor tthem, but it certainly doesn't mean we should support Israel either.. Especially unquestionably.
sSubZerOo
:| Do they have a UN position within the security council? Do they have billions of dollars of top of the line hardware backing them? Do they have allies of super power or first world countries? Yes in this comparison they are a minor force.. If you seriously think that the support of finicially gain and military related features equals what the Palestinians are getitng through the Hamas.. Than you need a reality check.. It has always been a one sided battle since the 1967 war.. In that Israel is absolutely dominating all its neighbors technologically and by overall force..
Hamas isn't like a conventional political party or a military or even a para-military for that matter... Hamas is more like a movement, a philosphy, aset of beliefs... beliefs that are shared, to varying degrees, by nearly one billion people worldwide... don't seem so small and insignifigant now, do they?[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Hamas runs the country. They aren't minor dude.:|67gt500
:| Do they have a UN position within the security council? Do they have billions of dollars of top of the line hardware backing them? Do they have allies of super power or first world countries? Yes in this comparison they are a minor force.. If you seriously think that the support of finicially gain and military related features equals what the Palestinians are getitng through the Hamas.. Than you need a reality check.. It has always been a one sided battle since the 1967 war.. In that Israel is absolutely dominating all its neighbors technologically and by overall force..
Hamas isn't like a conventional political party or a military or even a para-military for that matter... Hamas is more like a movement, a philosphy, a shared set of beliefs..... Yeah I am pretty sure people would rather have the support of the United States, the military super power of the world.. Instead of a small radical movement..
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