Israeli Soldiers Beating Women

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

Yay for good use of American money, everyone blames Israel but we are the ones paying those suckers to do **** like this.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Yongying"]

Yay for good use of American money, everyone blames Israel but we are the ones paying those suckers to do **** like this.

Yongying

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Yongying"]

Yay for good use of American money, everyone blames Israel but we are the ones paying those suckers to do **** like this.

Yongying

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the money being given to Israel isnt exactly keeping Israel afloat, Im not even sure where people got that. 3 billion does not a country make.m25105

Which is being paid for by that very money the US sends to Israel...

[QUOTE="Yongying"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] the money being given to Israel isnt exactly keeping Israel afloat, Im not even sure where people got that. 3 billion does not a country make.m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Yongying"]Thats because they are using it for all the wrong reasons.

Darkman2007

a little perspective

Meat_Wad_Fan

Regarding this picture of yours - what the hell is "Historic Palestine", exactly?

Seems that whoever made this little piece were skipping his/hers history classes on a regular basis...

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"] They're getting more than money too, plenty of U.S. Military equipment and aircrafts are sent to Israel.m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] thats mostly nonsense, the money Israel gets is exactly to pay for that, its a strange process, where Israel gets the money, but has to spend it back towards US military companies. besides, other then aircraft, Israel is mostly self sufficient in weapon and tank manufactureing, but of course you ignore that so that the world fits into your little box where Israel is some nation with no income.Darkman2007

Again, you're attacking something which isn't there.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"] Nice attack on something that didn't exist.

m25105

Again, you're attacking something which isn't there.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] of course it did, youre claiming Israel gets all or most of its weapons from the US, while I say , youre wrong, in fact, not only does Israel make most of its own weapons, it sells it to other countries heck , even Israel's assault rifles aren't from the US, the M16 is being phased out in favour of the Israeli built Tavor (TAR-21) in fact, at one point, Israel was in the process of developing its own fighter jet, called the Lavi, which according to the design specs, would have outperformed the F16 series of jets, but due to pressure from the US (somebody needs to buy their weapons) and the fact development was expensive (especially back in the 80s, when Israel was suffering from hyper inflation and nationalised banking), the project was cancelled. even the F16s brought into Israel today, have some of their internal parts replaced with Israeli ones , due to several reasons. youre also suporting the fact that the 3 billion dollars are so important, Im saying they are helpful , but not a state changing thing. so Im merely showing youre wrong, or exaggerating.Darkman2007

Again, you're attacking something which isn't there.

Omg first of all we have no idea what is happening here, but the way the Israeli soldiers manages the situation is no different than all the police forces in the entire world. Believe me I live in Sweden which is number 1 in freedom quality of life etc. etc. and the police can be more violent then this for probably lesser things than what they where doing in this video. And especially if you're immigrant you get beaten and humilitaded by the police.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Again, you're attacking something which isn't there.

m25105

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Again, you're attacking something which isn't there.

m25105

its gets 3 billion dollars a year , and as far as Im aware, it doesnt just get weapons for free besides that.

and even then , 3 billion is not even 1/4 of Israel's military budget.

the fact is , you and other people are still making a huge deal about it and blowing it up like a balloon

you used the word plenty, which can mean any particular number of things

Israel is a bully...what else is new?MgamerBD

this ^

Omg first of all we have no idea what is happening here, but the way the Israeli soldiers manages the situation is no different than all the police forces in the entire world. Believe me I live in Sweden which is number 1 in freedom quality of life etc. etc. and the police can be more violent then this for probably lesser things than what they where doing in this video. And especially if you're immigrant you get beaten and humilitaded by the police.

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

a little perspective

Zyamaman

Regarding this picture of yours - what the hell is "Historic Palestine", exactly?

Seems that whoever made this little piece were skipping his/hers history classes on a regular basis...

Well it was a territory which the jews left centuries ago. Then basically after WWII the U.S. made up a country in the middle of the territory because jews felt it was their sacred ground.

[QUOTE="Zyamaman"]

[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

a little perspective

Meat_Wad_Fan

Regarding this picture of yours - what the hell is "Historic Palestine", exactly?

Seems that whoever made this little piece were skipping his/hers history classes on a regular basis...

Well it was a territory which the jews left centuries ago. Then basically after WWII the U.S. made up a country in the middle of the territory because jews felt it was their sacred ground.

and I find it slightly amusing how everybody with 0 knowledge claim "the US created Israel" , the US supported Israel's creation in the UN......and so did the Soviet Union (who were actually the ones to first propose the idea of a Jewish state to the UN), and other countries too.

immediatly after Israel's creation , the US imposed a weapons embargo on Israel and the Arabs, which meant nothing for the Arabs since they were being armed by the British, and quite heavily so.

Israel bought its weapons at the time from the Soviet Union , alot of it captured German war equipment (some of the guns even had swastikas on them)

not necessarily. it was also because the Jews got sick of the Europeans slaughtering us for centuries. even when the Jews thought large scale anti semetism was gone after the 1920s the Holocause happens, and the Germans were not the only perpetrators, they had plenty of helpers from many countries. its funny, but when the Jews are in Europe, the Europeans slaughter them and express their wish that they leave. when the Jews are not in Europe, the Europeans (and others) want the Jews back in Europe the fact that this area was an ancestral homeland was something else.Darkman2007

yes, sweden risking it's neutrality in it's protection of jews during WW2 and denmark helping jews to escape the clutches of the nazi regime during occupation amongst many other stories of europeans trying to help ethnic jews is definitely europeans just slaughtering jews

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not necessarily. it was also because the Jews got sick of the Europeans slaughtering us for centuries. even when the Jews thought large scale anti semetism was gone after the 1920s the Holocause happens, and the Germans were not the only perpetrators, they had plenty of helpers from many countries. its funny, but when the Jews are in Europe, the Europeans slaughter them and express their wish that they leave. when the Jews are not in Europe, the Europeans (and others) want the Jews back in Europe the fact that this area was an ancestral homeland was something else.BiancaDK

yes, sweden risking it's neutrality in it's protection of jews during WW2 and denmark helping jews to escape the clutches of the nazi regime during occupation amongst many other stories of europeans trying to help ethnic jews is definitely europeans just slaughtering jews

those are exceptions, the majority of nations in Europe were complicit in the killing of Jews at the time. if youre denying that other people besides the Germans were killing Jews youre denying history simple as that. besides , even without the Holocaust, Jews getting massacred or just generally discriminated wasn't uncommon again , if youre denying this, youre denying history, and the memory of generations upon generations of my family who had to endure it, some of which are buried in mass graves.Darkman2007

heh, playing the wronged martyr much?

there's two sides to this, but i can tell you're only interested in being a victim in this (: it's up to you to educate yourself on this, i'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]those are exceptions, the majority of nations in Europe were complicit in the killing of Jews at the time. if youre denying that other people besides the Germans were killing Jews youre denying history simple as that. besides , even without the Holocaust, Jews getting massacred or just generally discriminated wasn't uncommon again , if youre denying this, youre denying history, and the memory of generations upon generations of my family who had to endure it, some of which are buried in mass graves.BiancaDK

heh, playing the wronged martyr much?

there's two sides to this, but i can tell you're only interested in being a victim in this (: it's up to you to educate yourself on this, i'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not necessarily. it was also because the Jews got sick of the Europeans slaughtering us for centuries. even when the Jews thought large scale anti semetism was gone after the 1920s the Holocause happens, and the Germans were not the only perpetrators, they had plenty of helpers from many countries. its funny, but when the Jews are in Europe, the Europeans slaughter them and express their wish that they leave. when the Jews are not in Europe, the Europeans (and others) want the Jews back in Europe the fact that this area was an ancestral homeland was something else.Darkman2007

yes, sweden risking it's neutrality in it's protection of jews during WW2 and denmark helping jews to escape the clutches of the nazi regime during occupation amongst many other stories of europeans trying to help ethnic jews is definitely europeans just slaughtering jews

so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?Darkman2007

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

[spoiler] all but six million [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

yes, sweden risking it's neutrality in it's protection of jews during WW2 and denmark helping jews to escape the clutches of the nazi regime during occupation amongst many other stories of europeans trying to help ethnic jews is definitely europeans just slaughtering jews

muscleserge

Vichy France , Romania , Hungary , Lithuania , Latvia, Estonia , and others, I don't need to go into every single country in Europe , because it was Europe wide.

pretty much every nation occupied by the Germans had Jews killed by the locals in it, either sporadically through street violence, or though organised murder and complicity with the Germans (Vichy France and Romania are the biggest example of this)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?BiancaDK

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

thats called survivors, do you even know what was Europe's Jewish population before the war?

around 9 million (this includes the Soviet Union) , meaning at least 2/3 were killed, dont tell me 3 million were saved, because thats lying.

most of them either managed to leave before the war (which wasnt all that much since countries placed pretty tough limits on Jewish immigration following the Evian conference in 1938 ) , or simply survived the war. its as simple as that.

the vast majority of people were either too scared/uncaring to do anything , or mildly agreed with the killing.

sure you have good people, but sadly they were a minority.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?Darkman2007

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

thats called survivors, do you even know what was Europe's Jewish population before the war?

less then 9 million , meaning at least 2/3 were killed, dont tell me 3 million were saved, because thats lying.

most of them either managed to leave before the war (which wasnt all that much since countries placed pretty tough limits on Jewish immigration following the Evian conference in 1938 ) , or simply survived the war. its as simple as that.

the vast majority of people were either too scared/uncaring to do anything , or mildly agreed with the killing.

sure you have good people, but sadly they were a minority.

for starters, "the dissolution of the eastern european jewry" written by renowned expert demographer walter n. sanning disagrees wildly with your figures

secondly, calling them survivors instead of saved can easily be a question of petty semantics in many scenarios

thirdly, you just said good people were sadly a minority, yet the vast majority of the world fought the axis

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

BiancaDK

thats called survivors, do you even know what was Europe's Jewish population before the war?

less then 9 million , meaning at least 2/3 were killed, dont tell me 3 million were saved, because thats lying.

most of them either managed to leave before the war (which wasnt all that much since countries placed pretty tough limits on Jewish immigration following the Evian conference in 1938 ) , or simply survived the war. its as simple as that.

the vast majority of people were either too scared/uncaring to do anything , or mildly agreed with the killing.

sure you have good people, but sadly they were a minority.

for starters, "the dissolution of the eastern european jewry" written by renowned expert demographer walter n. sanning disagrees wildly with your figures

secondly, calling them survivors instead of saved can easily be a question of petty semantics in many scenarios

thirdly, you just said good people were sadly a minority, yet the vast majority of the world fought the axis

not inside Europe they didn't , the British (and the Empire) , USSR and that was really about it, the French only rejoined the war after liberation .

and its not a question of semantics at all , if someone is saved, , it means someone from the public has risked his life to save a Jew (or any minority killed in the Holocaust), survivor means someone who was in a concentration camp , and was simply lucky enough not to be killed .

while i haven't read that book , it seems ludicrous to me , saying every or most Jews disperesed before the war is silly, because immigration wasnt huge, apart from a wave of immigration to the US following the pogroms in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.

most of these "revisionist" books are basically holocaust denial with a different name.

I assume youre going to give me a book by some othe Holocaust denier? Maybe you can quote me one of the members of Hamas who said the Holocaust was not real? :P

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not necessarily. it was also because the Jews got sick of the Europeans slaughtering us for centuries. even when the Jews thought large scale anti semetism was gone after the 1920s the Holocause happens, and the Germans were not the only perpetrators, they had plenty of helpers from many countries. its funny, but when the Jews are in Europe, the Europeans slaughter them and express their wish that they leave. when the Jews are not in Europe, the Europeans (and others) want the Jews back in Europe the fact that this area was an ancestral homeland was something else.BiancaDK

yes, sweden risking it's neutrality in it's protection of jews during WW2 and denmark helping jews to escape the clutches of the nazi regime during occupation amongst many other stories of europeans trying to help ethnic jews is definitely europeans just slaughtering jews

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] those are exceptions, the majority of nations in Europe were complicit in the killing of Jews at the time. if youre denying that other people besides the Germans were killing Jews youre denying history simple as that. besides , even without the Holocaust, Jews getting massacred or just generally discriminated wasn't uncommon again , if youre denying this, youre denying history, and the memory of generations upon generations of my family who had to endure it, some of which are buried in mass graves.Darkman2007

Vichy France , Romania , Hungary , Lithuania , Latvia, Estonia , and others, I don't need to go into every single country in Europe , because it was Europe wide.

pretty much every nation occupied by the Germans had Jews killed by the locals in it, either sporadically through street violence, or though organised murder and complicity with the Germans (Vichy France and Romania are the biggest example of this)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?BiancaDK

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

[spoiler] all but six million [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?sonicare

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

[spoiler] /sarcasm [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]so what exactly is the "other side"? lets hear it?sonicare

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

well she basically just quoted me a book which on the face of it seems to say that most Jews were not killed , but in fact left before the war.

unless she would like to explain further , Id stick to the explanation given to me by more....respectable people, as well as holocaust survivors in my own family as to what what actually happend

using what is essentially holocaust denial to try to argue the holocaust with a Jew is pretty low, I have to admit.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

I can put a small spin on it if you'd like, for added perspective.

Can you guess how many jews were saved during world war 2?

Darkman2007

well she basically just quoted me a book which on the face of it seems to say that most Jews were not killed , but in fact left before the war.

unless she would like to explain further , Id stick to the explanation given to me by more....respectable people, as well as holocaust survivors in my own family as to what what actually happend

using what is essentially holocaust denial to try to argue the holocaust with a Jew is pretty low, I have to admit.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"] That's a pretty pathetic spin. That's like saying a murderer may have killed 3 people, but he left 5 billion alive.charlesdarwin55

well she basically just quoted me a book which on the face of it seems to say that most Jews were not killed , but in fact left before the war.

unless she would like to explain further , Id stick to the explanation given to me by more....respectable people, as well as holocaust survivors in my own family as to what what actually happend

using what is essentially holocaust denial to try to argue the holocaust with a Jew is pretty low, I have to admit.

I actually read some of the reviews for that book on Amazon.com (surprised they were selling stuff like that)

there were 4 reviews, one saying the book was not good, 3 said it was good, but in their review words like "Hoax of the The 20th C" , "nonexistant gas chambers" , "Holohoax"

what.....delightful endorsements.......really well thought out

yes, that was awful sarcasm on my part, though the first part certainly wasn't

Even if you say that the majority of the jewish population left europe before WW2 (which I don't believe), 6 million were still killed. What was the jewish population of europe at the time? I'm sure that 6 million represents a large proportion. Certainly innocent people die in wars -> the civilians casualties in ww2 were drastically high. However, these 6 million people were intentionally and willingly killed. Not as collateral but as intended targets. I don't care what your beliefs on religion or ethnicity are, that's bad. It's bad when it happens in Rwanda, Somalia, and the Sudan. And it's bad when it happened in europe. Denying it or down playing it just serves to increase the chance that something like this happens again and again.

The problem isnt just with the perpetrators. The problem is ( a la Tony Blair) "when good people do nothing".

Even if you say that the majority of the jewish population left europe before WW2 (which I don't believe), 6 million were still killed. What was the jewish population of europe at the time? I'm sure that 6 million represents a large proportion. Certainly innocent people die in wars -> the civilians casualties in ww2 were drastically high. However, these 6 million people were intentionally and willingly killed. Not as collateral but as intended targets. I don't care what your beliefs on religion or ethnicity are, that's bad. It's bad when it happens in Rwanda, Somalia, and the Sudan. And it's bad when it happened in europe. Denying it or down playing it just serves to increase the chance that something like this happens again and again.

The problem isnt just with the perpetrators. The problem is ( a la Tony Blair) "when good people do nothing".

sonicare

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

omho88

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

omho88

[QUOTE="omho88"]

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="omho88"]

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="omho88"]

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

charlesdarwin55

I dun blame them, they are the soldier of mother Israel, that's how they protect mother Israel, by attacking women, unarmed civiliens, lol, what a sacrafice !!!..... like I said P****** with guns.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

my brain is full of thoughts, I am really not sure what to say except: Israeli soldiers, p*ssies with guns, my blood is boiling rightnow and it even annoys me the most when people act all cool and say let's hear the other side ..... you have just watched both, blind.

omho88

I dun blame them, they are the soldier of mother Israel, that's how they protect mother Israel, by attacking women, unarmed civiliens, lol, what a sacrafice !!!..... like I said P****** with guns.