Israeli Soldiers Beating Women

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

did you pay any attention to "peacful protesters" ? .... this is a way of expression .... 2mrw, Egypt will have a day of protest in Ta7reer Squar ... and trust me, you won't see such pathetic acts.

omho88

A protest can be peaceful and still be illegal. Please tell me that you misunderstood my question, and were aware of this. I'll restate it in full: How would you (as say, the captain on the police) deal with an illegal protest? You said "this is no way" to deal with them, so presumably you know a better way. What is it?

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power, being illegal won't cause series damage, and btw we are assuming it's illegal, it could be legal after all but in both cases, these acts aren't excusable..... if the protest is illegal, does this give you the right to harm them this way? if the law permits such acts, then Oh, Godness.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] actually its a potential opportunity if Abu Mazen can get Hamas to agree to a real peace, which right now they are giving very mixed messages. that way, there will be no excuses.Darkman2007

Happy talking to you guys, time will tell what will happen, but as long as Israel act the same way, we will go to nowhere, arab world is changing, Israel will change, it will regress, I dun know if it will vanish or not, but things will get tough on it and easier on palastines, and hopefully better for all the parties ... C ya.

omho88

Happy talking to you guys, time will tell what will happen, but as long as Israel act the same way, we will go to nowhere, arab world is changing, Israel will change, it will regress, I dun know if it will vanish or not, but things will get tough on it and easier on palastines, and hopefully better for all the parties ... C ya.

omho88

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] How can this happen if Abu Mazen himself doesn't want peace?

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I believe Abu Mazen wants peace, but he is sticking to several demands which Israel is unhappy about. conversly, he has conceded some things which Hamas are not happy about. like Israel's former PM , Levi Eshkol said "everybody loves their own concessions"Darkman2007

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] at no point were they actually shooting anybody, apart from tear gas which is used in any protest, even in the west. and most of those arrested don't stay for very long. and if you think thats bad, it can get worse in Israel, how about using water canon, tear gas , and trampling with horses to disperse settlers. if people protest peacefully, nothing happens, if they attack , they get attacked back , and honestly they could could have done alot worse then just hitting some people with a baton.Darkman2007

When an individual is protesting society's refusal to acknowledge his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity on him.

Considering the way of life the Palestinians lead, and much of that melancholy object being attributed to the cause of your state's doing, I do not think that you get much respect from the neutral civilized world.

Do not speak to me of extreme injustice and such like expedients you speak of, till the Palestinians start having a better life and some hearty and sincere attempt to offer them such thing is put into practice, I am afraid to say that protests will contine regardless of whether you like it or not and most of the weak hearted and undisobliging world will continue to stand by the Palestinians against such agony and ill-fate fate they have.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] If he wanted peace he would be negoting right now with bibi.

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="I"]

How would you (as say, the captain on the police) deal with an illegal protest?

omho88

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power...

Oh, that's terrific. Your solution to dealing with illegal activity is...to just let it happen. Clearly you are an expert in police matters.

I don't know why you're complaining about the police being violent then. According to you, any interference with any peaceful protest is uncalled for. So you really shouldn't be complaining that the Israeli police/military used excessive force; you should be complaining that they were there at all.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

When an individual is protesting society's refusal to acknowledge his dignity as a human being, his very act of protest confers dignity on him.

TehFuneral

Considering the way of life the Palestinians lead, and much of that melancholy object being attributed to the cause of your state's doing, I do not think that you get much respect from the neutral civilized world.

Do not speak to me of extreme injustice and such like expedients you speak of, till the Palestinians start having a better life and some hearty and sincere attempt to offer them such thing is put into practice, I am afraid to say that protests will contine regardless of whether you like it or not and most of the weak hearted and undisobliging world will continue to stand by the Palestinians against such agony and ill-fate fate they have.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="I"]

How would you (as say, the captain on the police) deal with an illegal protest?

Palantas

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power...

Oh, that's terrific. Your solution to dealing with illegal activity is...to just let it happen. Clearly you are an expert in police matters.

I don't know why you're complaining about the police being violent then. According to you, any interference with any peaceful protest is uncalled for. So you really shouldn't be complaining that the Israeli police/military used excessive force; you should be complaining that they were there at all.

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ...... I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="omho88"]

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power...

omho88

Oh, that's terrific. Your solution to dealing with illegal activity is...to just let it happen. Clearly you are an expert in police matters.

I don't know why you're complaining about the police being violent then. According to you, any interference with any peaceful protest is uncalled for. So you really shouldn't be complaining that the Israeli police/military used excessive force; you should be complaining that they were there at all.

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ...... I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well hence the " several demands" thing.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="omho88"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Oh, that's terrific. Your solution to dealing with illegal activity is...to just let it happen. Clearly you are an expert in police matters.

I don't know why you're complaining about the police being violent then. According to you, any interference with any peaceful protest is uncalled for. So you really shouldn't be complaining that the Israeli police/military used excessive force; you should be complaining that they were there at all.

Darkman2007

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ...... I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

lol, you really wouldn't care if they were slaughtered tho, coz the protest is "illegal", these p****** can screw them coz the protest is "illegal", they can beat them just to humiliate them coz the protest is "illegal", no matter how peaceful they are, if jesus was among them, Israeli soldiers would hit with fist of iron coz they have the guns and the protest was "illegal" ..............."sigh" .

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Demands is what u make in negotiations. He isn't even in negotitations. It isn't demands, it's excuses.

charlesdarwin55

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="omho88"]

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ...... I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

omho88

lol, you really wouldn't care if they were slaughtered tho, coz the protest is "illegal", these p****** can screw them coz the protest is "illegal", they canbeat them just to humiliate them coz the protest is "illegal", no matter how peaceful they are, if jesus was among them, Israeli soldiers would hit with fist of iron cozthey have the gunsand the protest was "illegal" ..............."sigh" .

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] I would call them preconditions. Israel also has its preconditions which aren't met so it works both ways and no , while the Palestinians or at least Fatah has recognised Israel , it didn't recognise Israel as a Jewish state, and in fact I remember hearing a speech from Abu Mazen saying he will never recognise Israel as a Jewish state because for him , that means no refugees.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="omho88"]

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ...... I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

omho88

lol, you really wouldn't care if they were slaughtered tho, coz the protest is "illegal", these p****** can screw them coz the protest is "illegal", they can beat them just to humiliate them coz the protest is "illegal", no matter how peaceful they are, if jesus was among them, Israeli soldiers would hit with fist of iron coz they have the guns and the protest was "illegal" ..............."sigh" .

you are justifying that kind of violenece as being legit .... so I dun think we have much options, from ur point of view, it's either walking away or slaughter them ......

omho88

I thought you were leaving. Whatever... Produce the quote block where I justify the level of force seen in the video. Produce the quote block where I state that the only option is to walk away or slaughter them.

I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

omho88

Bulls****. Unlike you, I can produce quote blocks to back up my statements. This is what you said:

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power...

omho88

That's it. That's all you said. You didn't say jack about watching them and interfering if necessary. Let me give you some advice here: This is not a televised political debate; this is an Internet forum. When you accuse someone of making statements or try to revise your own, people can just scan their eyeballs across the thread and see if you're telling the truth or not. If you want to revise your statement, fine: Retract what you said previously and make a new proposal. But don't try to pretend you said something you clearly did not.

Or did I miss something? Please correct me if I did.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] nono that was not a precondition from Israel. When fatah demanded their "preconditions", Israel said ok if you recognize us as Jewish state. So Abu Mazen couldn't accept this tiny formality for which Israel would have fullfilled all his preconditions. But he refused. A tiny formality. He definitely doesn't want peace.

charlesdarwin55

well there you go , he might think Israel can exist as some sort of Belgium or Lebanon type situation , but this is the Middle East, a nation which is weak from any kind of extreme division gets stepped on or used by its neighbours for political gain

it happened in Lebanon, it happened in Yemen , it happened with the Palestinians, it nearly happened in Jordan , and almost happened in Iraq , Israel will not join that list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgw3HkyVos&feature=feedf

Thoughts? Can anyone tell me what the hell lead up to this? And where the **** are they taking the girl in 0:17? I'm really concerned about her.

Victorious_Fize

pretty insane.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] who said they don't have dignity? and yes, Israel indeed considers Palestinians human beings, so do most people in fact, Israel has issues with them , but they are human beings. at any rate, Ive said it before, if someone who has been to that protest feels there is an extreme injustice done by any of the soldiers, he can report it, and there have been soldiers punished (sometimes sent to a military prison) for extreme incidents.Darkman2007

Considering the way of life the Palestinians lead, and much of that melancholy object being attributed to the cause of your state's doing, I do not think that you get much respect from the neutral civilized world.

Do not speak to me of extreme injustice and such like expedients you speak of, till the Palestinians start having a better life and some hearty and sincere attempt to offer them such thing is put into practice, I am afraid to say that protests will contine regardless of whether you like it or not and most of the weak hearted and undisobliging world will continue to stand by the Palestinians against such agony and ill-fate fate they have.

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] well think about it, if he says he recognises Israel as a Jewish state, he is giving up on the refugee issue essentially, and thats a bit of a no-no in the Palestinian political talk. likewise the idea of Israel not being a Jewish state is also a no-no as far as politics and society in Israel are concerned. though I will say that even if he accepted, it would be difficult to curb the power of the Yesha council , they can basically brush off the governement (right now they have them in their pocket) and sometimes even the supreme court. I appreciate their nationalism , but everybody should follow the law.Darkman2007

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Considering the way of life the Palestinians lead, and much of that melancholy object being attributed to the cause of your state's doing, I do not think that you get much respect from the neutral civilized world.

Do not speak to me of extreme injustice and such like expedients you speak of, till the Palestinians start having a better life and some hearty and sincere attempt to offer them such thing is put into practice, I am afraid to say that protests will contine regardless of whether you like it or not and most of the weak hearted and undisobliging world will continue to stand by the Palestinians against such agony and ill-fate fate they have.

TehFuneral

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Considering the way of life the Palestinians lead, and much of that melancholy object being attributed to the cause of your state's doing, I do not think that you get much respect from the neutral civilized world.

Do not speak to me of extreme injustice and such like expedients you speak of, till the Palestinians start having a better life and some hearty and sincere attempt to offer them such thing is put into practice, I am afraid to say that protests will contine regardless of whether you like it or not and most of the weak hearted and undisobliging world will continue to stand by the Palestinians against such agony and ill-fate fate they have.

TehFuneral

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

and like I said, people were like that in the 1950s, so again , what assurances do I get that people will not just complain about something else? youre not answering that question

also , where is the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state? Abu Mazen specifically said he will not agree to Israel being a Jewish state.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

I thought you were leaving. Whatever... Produce the quote block where I justify the level of force seen in the video. Produce the quote block where I state that the only option is to walk away or slaughter them.

[QUOTE="omho88"]

I was saying watch and interfere when neccessary, and no matter what the interference shouldn't have been as brutal as we saw on that vid.

Palantas

Bulls****. Unlike you, I can produce quote blocks to back up my statements. This is what you said:

I would leave them alone, since I am the one with power...

omho88

That's it. That's all you said. You didn't say jack about watching them and interfering if necessary. Let me give you some advice here: This is not a televised political debate; this is an Internet forum. When you accuse someone of making statements or try to revise your own, people can just scan their eyeballs across the thread and see if you're telling the truth or not. If you want to revise your statement, fine: Retract what you said previously and make a new proposal. But don't try to pretend you said something you clearly did not.

Or did I miss something? Please correct me if I did.

This happens everywhere, but when israel do something the bandwagon comes.

Pretty much dumb people that thinks jews run the world and is the source of all evil, hate israel bandwagons are atleast the most entertaining ones. But if you criticize a arab nation your racist.

Robbazking

They are military. They probably had reasons to act like this. Also they don't beat only the women.Crimsader

[QUOTE="Crimsader"]They are military. They probably had reasons to act like this. Also they don't beat only the women.omho88

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] whats changed, Israel was being compared to the Nazis or having too much land all the way back in the 1950s, well before the "occupation" so nothing changes, and people will always complain. again , what assurances do I get that for leaving the west bank , I will get such respect, it was never given to us even before 67, and if anybody thinks protests will solve anything , I can assure them they won't , there is a saying in Israel "it goes into one ear and comes out the other, and then everybody forgets" , if they want peace, sure they will get their state, but I have my pre conditions just like they have theirs.Darkman2007

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

You do not get any assurrances, the only thing you get is the smiley face of all the other observing countries while they pet you and put a sticker on your wall, which is quite sad if you ask me.

Humans do complain, its our natural habit and it does not seem to be ablished in favor for someone else. BUT, if you're intention is seeking peace, the very first thing to do is to provide a sutainable life on those whom you seem to control. At least then, people would consider you in the grand light of humanity.

This happens everywhere, but when israel do something the bandwagon comes.

Pretty much dumb people that thinks jews run the world and is the source of all evil, hate israel bandwagons are atleast the most entertaining ones. But if you criticize a arab nation your racist.

Robbazking

Dude, I never heard a man called raciest coz he talked about arab countries, you can talk as much as you want as long as you speak the truth, in the uprising in Egypt I saw more brutal acts than those in the vid, on the other hand anyone who speaks trash of Israel is antisemitic by default .

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Crimsader"]They are military. They probably had reasons to act like this. Also they don't beat only the women.Crimsader

Read my other posts, with darkman and some other poster. And apparantly I didn't strictly say they should watch like stones, only if the protest is peaceful which I am trying to say the whole time. dun omit my other posts, we were clearly talking about a peaceful but illegal protest ( which can be legal tho).

omho88

I don't consider myself responsible for reviewing the entire body of your published work; just what you say to me. If you'd like to produce some of your own quote blocks in an attempt to rectify your ridiculous statement, go for it.

Oh, are you going to get back to me on any of this:

Produce the quote block where I justify the level of force seen in the video. Produce the quote block where I state that the only option is to walk away or slaughter them.

I

[QUOTE="Crimsader"][QUOTE="omho88"] do all military beat civilians like that?omho88

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] whats changed, Israel was being compared to the Nazis or having too much land all the way back in the 1950s, well before the "occupation" so nothing changes, and people will always complain. again , what assurances do I get that for leaving the west bank , I will get such respect, it was never given to us even before 67, and if anybody thinks protests will solve anything , I can assure them they won't , there is a saying in Israel "it goes into one ear and comes out the other, and then everybody forgets" , if they want peace, sure they will get their state, but I have my pre conditions just like they have theirs.charlesdarwin55

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

This statement naturally divides the subject, I am quite fed up with the same old excuse and the same card which is only naturally pulled up as "antisemitism". Are you denying that everyone else is not a class of mankind that also have claim to pity? Do you not know that Jews are not the only semites? Indeed, the word "antisemite" is only a bugbear, but as I purpose, taking a seperate view of the different ranks of society, and of the moral character of every race and group of people in this world, this hint is, for the present, sufficient; and I have only alluded to the subject.

Stop living only to amuse yourself. By the same law of humanity and nature, everyone else is as equal to be treated as the Jews to be treated.

I can't even tell whats going on

It looked like they are trying to enforce crowd control, but they're the only ones using violence.

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="Crimsader"] When it's necessary, they are permitted to. it must have been quite the quarrel since the military takes care of this actually. Usually that's the police's job.Crimsader

It looked like they fired CS gas canisters.

It looked like they fired CS gas canisters.

SpartanMSU

I'm pretty sure they were spent uranium grenades that release phosgene gas. Obviously.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

TehFuneral

You do not get any assurrances, the only thing you get is the smiley face of all the other observing countries while they pet you and put a sticker on your wall, which is quite sad if you ask me.

Humans do complain, its our natural habit and it does not seem to be ablished in favor for someone else. BUT, if you're intention is seeking peace, the very first thing to do is to provide a sutainable life on those whom you seem to control. At least then, people would consider you in the grand light of humanity.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="omho88"]

did you pay any attention to "peacful protesters" ? .... this is a way of expression .... 2mrw, Egypt will have a day of protest in Ta7reer Squar ... and trust me, you won't see such pathetic acts.

omho88

There were no signs opposing Israel, apparntly the protesters are young people who looked pretty normal and did nothing offensive wutsoever in the vid while they were beaten ..... and there were like 20-50 max of them, hardly a threat .... and in the end, there were alot of injuired protesters ...... no a math,

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"]

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

You do realize that with such attitude israel has now, you are losing much more respect than you are gaining? There are far more countries ready to recognize Palestine than your country, the only reason israel stays on how it is is due to the great influence of israeli-American-western lobby. Moreover, Isreal seems to not care by further using such advantage by acting that all of their actions are justified, and that they have a full permit to do whatever they want. There are far too many people who recognize your acts as shameful and degrading, not just on a regional scale, but on an international one.

TehFuneral

This statement naturally divides the subject, I am quite fed up with the same old excuse and the same card which is only naturally pulled up as "antisemitism". Are you denying that everyone else is not a class of mankind that also have claim to pity? Do you not know that Jews are not the only semites? Indeed, the word "antisemite" is only a bugbear, but as I purpose, taking a seperate view of the different ranks of society, and of the moral character of every race and group of people in this world, this hint is, for the present, sufficient; and I have only alluded to the subject.

Stop living only to amuse yourself. By the same law of humanity and nature, everyone else is as equal to be treated as the Jews to be treated.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and like I said, people were like that in the 1950s, so again , what assurances do I get that people will not just complain about something else? youre not answering that questionDarkman2007

You do not get any assurrances, the only thing you get is the smiley face of all the other observing countries while they pet you and put a sticker on your wall, which is quite sad if you ask me.

Humans do complain, its our natural habit and it does not seem to be ablished in favor for someone else. BUT, if you're intention is seeking peace, the very first thing to do is to provide a sutainable life on those whom you seem to control. At least then, people would consider you in the grand light of humanity.

I do not think that the Palestinians pre conditions were met when you declared your state. Why should they agree to yours?

Are you by that, asserting and confirming the fact that you control their lives in every way possible?

This statement naturally divides the subject, I am quite fed up with the same old excuse and the same card which is only naturally pulled up as "antisemitism". Are you denying that everyone else is not a class of mankind that also have claim to pity? Do you not know that Jews are not the only semites? Indeed, the word "antisemite" is only a bugbear, but as I purpose, taking a seperate view of the different ranks of society, and of the moral character of every race and group of people in this world, this hint is, for the present, sufficient; and I have only alluded to the subject.

Stop living only to amuse yourself. By the same law of humanity and nature, everyone else is as equal to be treated as the Jews to be treated.

TehFuneral

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

[QUOTE="charlesdarwin55"] Yeah of course because Israel is Jewish, that's the only reason.

Darkman2007

This statement naturally divides the subject, I am quite fed up with the same old excuse and the same card which is only naturally pulled up as "antisemitism". Are you denying that everyone else is not a class of mankind that also have claim to pity? Do you not know that Jews are not the only semites? Indeed, the word "antisemite" is only a bugbear, but as I purpose, taking a seperate view of the different ranks of society, and of the moral character of every race and group of people in this world, this hint is, for the present, sufficient; and I have only alluded to the subject.

Stop living only to amuse yourself. By the same law of humanity and nature, everyone else is as equal to be treated as the Jews to be treated.

I do not think anyone denys that Jews are semites, moreover, I think that the fact it is the obvious and pure attribution to them as semites that the word "antisemite" referers, nowadays, exclusivley to them.

It does on the other hand concern me deeply, when people refer to us as terrorists. I have often thought of it as one of the most barbarous customs in the world.

There is no getting around that, people in Germany are still being partially criticised and judged by their actions and compared to hitler it happens, whether the people know it's wrong or not.

I just find it quite annoying that whenever someone criticize israel for anything, someone would send out an outcry of "antisemitism" and declare it an obvious interference of hatred and partial prejudice. It is clearly a card used for its effectiveness.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

You do not get any assurrances, the only thing you get is the smiley face of all the other observing countries while they pet you and put a sticker on your wall, which is quite sad if you ask me.

Humans do complain, its our natural habit and it does not seem to be ablished in favor for someone else. BUT, if you're intention is seeking peace, the very first thing to do is to provide a sutainable life on those whom you seem to control. At least then, people would consider you in the grand light of humanity.

TehFuneral

I do not think that the Palestinians pre conditions were met when you declared your state. Why should they agree to yours?

Are you by that, asserting and confirming the fact that you control their lives in every way possible?

actually it wasnt our conditions, it was the UN , then there was war, they lost, along with the other arab states, simple as that,

in fact our pre condition to live in peace with our neighbours were also rejected when the Arabs attacked so it works both ways here

its really quite a simple request, Israel is not asking for the sun , its asking for recognition as a Jewish state, if they want me to recognise them as a state (of whichever faith or ethnicity they desire)

if they want guarantees for peace and stability, and they also have preconditions, then I think its quite fair that I had the same things too.

and does Israel control them ? yes, in every way possible? not quite, thats somewhat exaggerated, Gaza is a different matter because its treated as an enemy state.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

This statement naturally divides the subject, I am quite fed up with the same old excuse and the same card which is only naturally pulled up as "antisemitism". Are you denying that everyone else is not a class of mankind that also have claim to pity? Do you not know that Jews are not the only semites? Indeed, the word "antisemite" is only a bugbear, but as I purpose, taking a seperate view of the different ranks of society, and of the moral character of every race and group of people in this world, this hint is, for the present, sufficient; and I have only alluded to the subject.

Stop living only to amuse yourself. By the same law of humanity and nature, everyone else is as equal to be treated as the Jews to be treated.

LJS9502_basic

I would, when I have the time, check on that. I do not claim to have knowledge on every aspect of this world.

I only wish to steer clear of errors which many people have fallen into.

Israel violating human rights? Shocking...yabbicoke