It seems the US government thinks the war on drugs is more important than...

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You do realize that all drugs were legal before they were illegal, right? -Sun_Tzu-

The others were largely used by white peoples.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Which all go out the window when you reduce calorie intake.

basic math. When more goes out then goes it, weight is lost.

TopTierHustler

If you burn more calories than you consume, you lose weight. No exceptions.

This is the only thing toptier has ever said that is correct.

Ghokle: All the factors that you mentioned boil affect:

• Carlorie intake or

• Calorie output

Obviously people voluntarily putting a substance in their own bodies is a major scourge that must be stopped! People being forced into sexual slavery is also a scourge, but it's a pretty minor one. We'll got on top of stopping that tomorrow. Or the next day.Rhazakna

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

The war on drugs should be remembered as an embarrassing mistep in American history, but I fear we will just take it farther and farther. Realization that something just isn't working and fixing it isn't a strong suit in America.

thebest31406

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] It's the civil rights issue of our time. The US has about 5% of the world's population but holds a quarter of the world's prisoners. And even though drug usage rates are roughly the same between all demographics, prisons in America are disproportionately filled with minorities who will live the rest of their lives as second class citizens who will never be able to vote again and have an incredibly difficult time ever finding steady work. -Sun_Tzu-

The US plan on human trafficking is to unleash Liam Neeson on them I guess.

This is ludicrous. What on Earth is society smoking?

Well to be fair, drug trafficking is probably way more common. Toxic-Seahorse

Drug traffic is more widespread and moves a larger amount of money than human traffic. I think the humanitarian issues with human trafficking are considerably larger than the ones with drug trafficking, but perhaps it happens on a much smaller frequency?

It's true that the war on drugs is basically another of the U.S. government's most inefficient, pointless and unjustified programmes in the modern day, but the relative expenses actually don't tell you anything conclusive about that.

It's true that the war on drugs is basically another of the U.S. government's most inefficient, pointless and unjustified programmes in the modern day, but the relative expenses actually don't tell you anything conclusive about that.

Barbariser

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

It's true that the war on drugs is basically another of the U.S. government's most inefficient, pointless and unjustified programmes in the modern day, but the relative expenses actually don't tell you anything conclusive about that.

ghoklebutter

I don't know much about human trafficking, all I'm saying is that simply quoting "300x the spending" doesn't necessarily mean that the government evaluates drugs as being 300 times more problematic than human trafficking. It could be that it is relatively much cheaper and easier to counter human trafficking than drug trafficking, or that further increases in spending would not improve the government's ability to reduce human trafficking by a meaningful degree. These conclusions are probably not true, but all I'm saying is that the relative expense by itself is not a conclusive anecdote.

As far as I remember the war on drugs have always been won by drugs :?Darthkaiser

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I need studies.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] http://www.tromboldlaw.com/2010/11/cocaine-users-are-getting-more-than-they-bargained-for-in-washington/l4dak47

I need data, not assumption.

It still causes heart problems and increased use would only lead to more heart problems.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]This doesn't say that coke doesn't cause heart problems, it just says that another chemical people are cutting it with is causing immune system problems.

TopTierHustler

I need data, not assumption.

It still causes heart problems and increased use would only lead to more heart problems.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I never said that cocaine doesn't cause heart problems, it does, but by making it illegal, we lose quality control and you end up with even more dangerous drugs. Regulate it and people will only be ingesting pure cocaine and not a bunch of sh*t added to it. That's my point. l4dak47

I need data, not assumption.

It still causes heart problems and increased use would only lead to more heart problems.

and a 100 page small print document, do you really expect me to read through that?

Get me a decent source that doesn't take 4 hours to read and isn't from a blogger, otherwise you're just going on assumption.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="thebest31406"] Indeed. You can't really talk about the war on drugs without having some serious dialog about the ones who are affect by it the most. coolbeans90

So the War on Drugs, a vast and expensive thing that includes spending hundreds of millions of dollars to combat drug organizations IN OTHER COUNTRIES, practically trying to move heaven and earth in some cases, is just some big conspiracy to disenfrachise blacks and hispanics.......Ok.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] We are raping the inner cities by tearing families apart, making people unemployable and disenfranchising them for the rest of their lives, and turning neighborhoods into war zones by creating a blackmarket for these drugs. The war on drugs is nothing more than Jim Crow for a new era considering the disparate impact these laws have on hispanics and blacks. Storm_Marine

So the War on Drugs, a vast and expensive thing that includes spending hundreds of millions of dollars to combat drug organizations IN OTHER COUNTRIES, practically trying to move heaven and earth in some cases, is just some big conspiracy to disenfrachise blacks and hispanics.......Ok.

Oh and all the other countries with strict drug laws...they also in on the Jim Crow for a new era conspiracy?

The war on drugs should have ended long ago, so much wasted money

It's no wonder why the U.S. is crumbling. Crap like this as well.

Stupid U.S. Government being stupid.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]the additives you cited don't cause heart problems, they cause immune system problems.

I need data, not assumption.

It still causes heart problems and increased use would only lead to more heart problems.

TopTierHustler

and a 100 page small print document, do you really expect me to read through that?

Get me a decent source that doesn't take 4 hours to read and isn't from a blogger, otherwise you're just going on assumption.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

It's true that the war on drugs is basically another of the U.S. government's most inefficient, pointless and unjustified programmes in the modern day, but the relative expenses actually don't tell you anything conclusive about that.

Barbariser

I don't know much about human trafficking, all I'm saying is that simply quoting "300x the spending" doesn't necessarily mean that the government evaluates drugs as being 300 times more problematic than human trafficking. It could be that it is relatively much cheaper and easier to counter human trafficking than drug trafficking, or that further increases in spending would not improve the government's ability to reduce human trafficking by a meaningful degree. These conclusions are probably not true, but all I'm saying is that the relative expense by itself is not a conclusive anecdote.

human trafficking?FMAB_GTO

Wikipedia has a good definition.

In this case, human beings are being trafficked for sex i.e. forced into prostitution as part of some business. It's a heinous form of sexual exploitation.

The war on drugs is just an excuse for the US government to keep a constant military presence in Latinamerica. They don't really want drug trafficking to stop.kuraimen

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The war on drugs is just an excuse for the US government to keep a constant military presence in Latinamerica. They don't really want drug trafficking to stop.Storm_Marine

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The war on drugs is just an excuse for the US government to keep a constant military presence in Latinamerica. They don't really want drug trafficking to stop.kuraimen

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

So they can steal all the bananas yes.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]Well to be fair, drug trafficking is probably way more common. ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]This is probably the most compelling summation of the subject I've seen. Good on you.

Storm_Marine

So the War on Drugs, a vast and expensive thing that includes spending hundreds of millions of dollars to combat drug organizations IN OTHER COUNTRIES, practically trying to move heaven and earth in some cases, is just some big conspiracy to disenfrachise blacks and hispanics.......Ok.

Oh and all the other countries with strict drug laws...they also in on the Jim Crow for a new era conspiracy?

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Why are you not reading my posts? Fine, nonetheless, here's a little something: http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/2009/06/report-they-didnt-want-you-to-see.html The actual report here: http://www.tdpf.org.uk/WHO-UNICRI%20cocaine%20study.pdf. Also, you claim that I keep making assumptions and yet you're doing the exact same thing, claiming that use would go up with legalization. l4dak47

and a 100 page small print document, do you really expect me to read through that?

Get me a decent source that doesn't take 4 hours to read and isn't from a blogger, otherwise you're just going on assumption.

claiming Cocain isn't that bad for your heart is a big stretch when you lack anything to back you up.

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]human trafficking?ghoklebutter

Wikipedia has a good definition.

In this case, human beings are being trafficked for sex i.e. forced into prostitution as part of some business. It's a heinous form of sexual exploitation.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The war on drugs is just an excuse for the US government to keep a constant military presence in Latinamerica. They don't really want drug trafficking to stop.Storm_Marine

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]you cited a blog. (really? do you understand what a credible source is?)

and a 100 page small print document, do you really expect me to read through that?

Get me a decent source that doesn't take 4 hours to read and isn't from a blogger, otherwise you're just going on assumption.

TopTierHustler

claiming Cocain isn't that bad for your heart is a big stretch when you lack anything to back you up.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]The war on drugs is just an excuse for the US government to keep a constant military presence in Latinamerica. They don't really want drug trafficking to stop.TopTierHustler

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]This is probably the most compelling summation of the subject I've seen. Good on you.

Storm_Marine

So the War on Drugs, a vast and expensive thing that includes spending hundreds of millions of dollars to combat drug organizations IN OTHER COUNTRIES, practically trying to move heaven and earth in some cases, is just some big conspiracy to disenfrachise blacks and hispanics.......Ok.

Oh and all the other countries with strict drug laws...they also in on the Jim Crow for a new era conspiracy?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Presumably so they can steal all the bananas.

Storm_Marine

So they can steal all the bananas yes.

Would legalized prostitution decrease human trafficking?

Would legalized prostitution decrease human trafficking?

leviathan91

It might decrease it I don't know. I do know that it's still a problem in Canada though prostitution is legal here.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Or support unfriendly government overthrows and military juntas like they did in the past.thebest31406

So they can steal all the bananas yes.

:(

Would legalized prostitution decrease human trafficking?

leviathan91

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

So they can steal all the bananas yes.

Storm_Marine

:(

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Would legalized prostitution decrease human trafficking?

l4dak47

It won't help with the underage girls the article was complaining about.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Would legalized prostitution decrease human trafficking?

Storm_Marine

It won't help with the underage girls the article was complaining about.

This seems more like a global problem. Even if prostitution was legalized, human trafficking would still occur. Also, even though the Netherlands legalized prostitution, they're still having problems with crime and human trafficking.