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#1 Rekunta
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080815/ts_nm/texas_guns_dc

I say it's long overdue. Yay for Texas!

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#2 LJS9502_basic
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No..they shouldn't.:|
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So if you are bullying somebody you might get shot down? :P
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Now I have a good excuse to carry my two uzies to class now.

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#5 super_mario_128
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No..they shouldn't.:|LJS9502_basic
This man speaks the truth...
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#6 UssjTrunks
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I like the idea. They better make sure the teachers aren't nuts though. :P Or maybe give them tasers instead.
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#7 Rekunta
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Beats letting 30 students getting mowed down before the police arrive. If one supports the right to bear arms, how is this any different?
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#8 deactivated-5cf0a2e13dbde
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That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....
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#9 Theokhoth
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Am I the only one who can see how this can go very, very wrong?:|
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I like the idea. They better make sure the teachers aren't nuts though. :P Or maybe give them tasers instead.UssjTrunks

good luck with that.

i hope they give them all a psychiatric evaluation before handing out guns.

i say let them bring in the guns, but make them leave the bullets at home.

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Am I the only one who can see how this can go very, very wrong?:|Theokhoth
The 8 other people who voted "No way!" say no to you...
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Am I the only one who can see how this can go very, very wrong?:|super_mario_128
The 8 other people who voted "No way!" say no to you...

Make that 12 and counting..

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Am I the only one who can see how this can go very, very wrong?:|Theokhoth

No. You're not the only one.

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#15 mastershake575
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That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....hillelslovak
A few lessons isn't going to defend you from a crazy knife/gun weilding foe and I don't see whats wrong with it since they can carry it pretty much anywhere before this law was passed. If they have a concealed license already then I don't see any problem taking it too school.
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...next Columbine-type incident will be executed by one fake gun and 12 real ones formerly owned by teachers.
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That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....hillelslovak

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

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#18 Oleg_Huzwog
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If they're properly licensed and trained, I don't see the big deal.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Am I the only one who can see how this can go very, very wrong?:|Shad0ki11

No. You're not the only one.

Thank you, God.

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If they're properly licensed and trained, I don't see the big deal.Oleg_Huzwog

Police officers are properly licensed and trained to use tasers.

That doesn't stop some of them from tasing teenagers with broken backs 19 times.

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#21 omfg_its_dally
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I think this might be a bad idea...
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#22 branketra
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I don't think so. I think that teachers should be both physically and mentally fit, to teach and protect their pupils.
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#23 CoreoVII
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It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.
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[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....Rekunta

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...
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#25 Honenheim
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Imagine if one day a highschool student breaks it off with her teacher-girlfriend.....and bam!....hell no, i don't think they should carry firearms.
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#26 clembo1990
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No human should be allowed, eventually the idiots will shoot eachother and kill themselves out.
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It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.CoreoVII

And what if Mr. Math Teacher decides that teaching these snot-nosed brats isn't worth it?

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[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.Theokhoth

And what if Mr. Math Teacher decides that teaching these snot-nosed brats isn't worth it?

He resign's? ....or.......quit's teaching?

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it sort of makes sense but i think they should be locked within they're desks unless it's an emergancy
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#30 XanderKage
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My god... That's why USA will destroy the world. Think about it - one person that's constantly being annoyed by dozens of moronic teens... with a gun. One day his wife won't butter the toats the right way and he'll take his frustration out on the class... Or, and one of the moronic teens will grab the gun...
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#31 kingyotoX
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I'd rather give most students a gun then some nut job teacher.
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#32 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.CoreoVII

And what if Mr. Math Teacher decides that teaching these snot-nosed brats isn't worth it?

He resign's? ....or.......quit's teaching?

Just like some students leave the school when they hate it. . . . .

Giving teachers guns is a stupid idea.

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#33 Video_Game_King
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Can't this be easily abused? And the statistics seem to rule against this. Plus there's the common sense that a kid could steal the gun when the teacher is out or not paying attention or whatever.
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#34 mastershake575
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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....super_mario_128

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

There very very hard to find. I just found out a week ago that my brother had been carrying a glock on him for the last 4 years.......
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It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.CoreoVII
Wow...you want teachers to kill students for talking? Woah dude....exactly one of the reasons that this is a terrible idea. Thanks for the illustration....
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#36 CoreoVII
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[QUOTE="CoreoVII"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="CoreoVII"]It's fine, screw it. I'd rather a teacher shoot some gothic pale white kid who talk's about killing everyone one day then having him do another virginia shooting. If they want to kill innocent students, they need to be prepared to get capped by Mr. Math teacher.Theokhoth

And what if Mr. Math Teacher decides that teaching these snot-nosed brats isn't worth it?

He resign's? ....or.......quit's teaching?

Just like some students leave the school when they hate it. . . . .

Giving teachers guns is a stupid idea.

Maybe, but consider both side's, If either the teacher or the kid give up and leave the school, then that's two less crazy's to worry about.

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#37 super_mario_128
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....mastershake575

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

There very very hard to find. I just found out a week ago that my brother had been carrying a glock on him for the last 4 years.......

Yes, but the criminal will be more cautios of a concealed gun and search more thoroughly to find it. You had no idea your brother had a gun, so you wouldn't search him or even consider it...

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So typically American... We've got gun problems! The solution? MORE GUNS!

I see the logic in the whole thing, but it's not the teacher's role to protect, it's to teach! Besides, students are far from the only ones who can go insane. Think about working for 30-40 years as a teacher for some annoying kids, that don't really want to be there in the first place... Anyway, a whole armed force of teachers, seems to strengthen the authoritarian illusion, a trait I don't like.

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[QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....super_mario_128

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

Which is why numerous teachers are armed in the vicinity. And the news wouldn't broadcast which teachers would have weapons in the first place....hence...concealed.

I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom when something could've been done about it. I love how people are "it's my right to bear arms", yet when something like this happens, they are adamantly against it. Why??

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[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....super_mario_128

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

There very very hard to find. I just found out a week ago that my brother had been carrying a glock on him for the last 4 years.......

Yes, but the criminal will be more cautios of a concealed gun and search more thoroughly to find it. You had no idea your brother had a gun, so you wouldn't search him or even consider it...

Well of course, im not going to feel him up thats gross :lol: Either way we had always roughhoused, played tackle footbal.......ect and I still never noticed. Im pretty sure the gun has to be on you and I don't think these teachers are dumb enough to just put it in there breifcase or throw it in there case
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So typically American... We've got gun problems! The solution? MORE GUNS!

I see the logic in the whole thing, but it's not the teacher's role to protect, it's to teach! Besides, students are far from the only ones who can go insane. Think about working for 30-40 years as a teacher for some annoying kids, that don't really want to be there in the first place... Anyway, a whole armed force of teachers, seems to strengthen the authoritarian illusion, a trait I don't like.

Steingrimur

hehe, true.

I think metal detectors and light security would be better than a teacher with a deadly weapon around children, people who YOU ARE MEANT TO TRUST. What use is a constitution when you don't feel safe at school? Disgusting.

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#42 Rekunta
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So typically American... We've got gun problems! The solution? MORE GUNS!

I see the logic in the whole thing, but it's not the teacher's role to protect, it's to teach! Besides, students are far from the only ones who can go insane. Think about working for 30-40 years as a teacher for some annoying kids, that don't really want to be there in the first place... Anyway, a whole armed force of teachers, seems to strengthen the authoritarian illusion, a trait I don't like.

Steingrimur

Good points, I agree. But there needs to be some other alternative than waiting 10 minutes for the police to arrive after the rampage is already over. An undercover police officer? The janitor packin'? SOMETHING.

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F&@$... the more I think about it, the more I'm shocked.. Don't they see how horribly this can go wrong?? It's like - hey, let's place land mines on the grass where the kids step on it, because they don't listen to "Keep off the Grass" sign...
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....Rekunta

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

Which is why numerous teachers are armed in the vicinity. And the news wouldn't broadcast which teachers would have weapons in the first place....hence...concealed.

I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom when something could've been done about it. I love how people are "it's my right to bear arms", yet when something like this happens, they are adamantly against it. Why??

Sound's like a healthy debate, anyone want to do the honor's....

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Why should they not? Seems like it'd do more good than harm.
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It's a good idea, but what if there's some teacher that goes nuts. Or if a bunch of students manage to get a gun from a teacher?
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This is in Texas? Not really suprised, then.
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Rekunta"]

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"]That is insane. If you want the teachers to be safe, have summer self defense classes. There are many ways to defend yourself effectively without a gun. Further proof that Texas is insane as a state....Rekunta

I don't care if you're Bruce Lee, if you're staring down the barrel of a gun there's not much you can do. It's not like these teachers wouldn't be trained and licensed to carry it.

With your firearm CONCEALED, there's little you can do staring down the barrel of a gun anyway. And the criminal, if he has sense and watches the news, is bound to check for concealed weapons on teachers...

Which is why numerous teachers are armed in the vicinity. And the news wouldn't broadcast which teachers would have weapons in the first place....hence...concealed.

I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom when something could've been done about it. I love how people are "it's my right to bear arms", yet when something like this happens, they are adamantly against it. Why??

Ok, lets think of a hypothetical situation here:

A student/random guy goes mad, goes to the nearest public building with the sole intention to murder. He goes into the first classroom he sees, realises the teacher may have a gun, beats the teacher to the draw; what do we have? A hostage situation which will end up with many students dying ANYWAY and the perpetrator committing suicide...

Plus, the whole 'I'd be outraged if one of my kids was slaughtered sitting defenseless in a classroom' arguement can be applied to the teacher committing the homicide... If you believe that this isn't likely to happen, then I'm afraid I don't know what to say... Teachers have their limits too...

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Glad I don't live in Texas.
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#50 UssjTrunks
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it sort of makes sense but i think they should be locked within they're desks unless it's an emergancymarkop2003


That's actually a very good idea.