Koran burning cancelled

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So if a Christian dude killed my family, you think it wouldn't be ridiculous to starting burning Bibles?

Burning the holy book is basically saying that the religion itself harmed the family member, which is not true.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So if a Christian dude killed my family, you think it wouldn't be ridiculous to starting burning Bibles?

Burning the holy book is basically saying that the religion itself harmed the family member, which is not true.

GreySeal9

How do know he wouldn't?

This is my scenario, not yours.

I have mixed feelings about this.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] But he may feel..especially in regards to Islam..that they did it because of their beliefs..which would then lead him to believe that the religion caused it..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Even if they did do it because of their beliefs, the religion itself did not harm his family member, the individual did.

Yet it is still the individual making the decision. There are other people who partake of the religion and don't make that decision.

Listen, I know your endgame in these threads is to always tear down Islam, so we don't need to get into this again.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Well, that'd be ridiculous, but I'll concede that one might do it for several reasons. I can't think of any that would be justified though.

Super_Toad_64

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]That would be ridiculous because he wouldn't claim he was killing your family in the name of his God..now would he?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] But he may feel..especially in regards to Islam..that they did it because of their beliefs..which would then lead him to believe that the religion caused it..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Even if they did do it because of their beliefs, the religion itself did not harm his family member, the individual did.

You are a person who assumes to much yet knows very little about what hes talking about, all your remarks are just a case of learning about Islam through the media which with its Bias you have a very bad understanding.

I have mixed feelings about this.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Even if they did do it because of their beliefs, the religion itself did not harm his family member, the individual did.

GreySeal9

Yet it is still the individual making the decision. There are other people who partake of the religion and don't make that decision.

Listen, I know your endgame in these threads is to always tear down Islam, so we don't need to get into this again.

And yes, so you say that..but how do we know what he'll be thinking?..We don't, therefore, we cannot definitively state that the only reason for burning a Quran ould be because their beliefs disagree with his..

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Why would it be ridiculous?..Burning a religions holy book...from which stems the religions teachings and system of ideals and beliefs..by burning it he may feel he is burning the very thing that brought about his pain..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]That would be ridiculous because he wouldn't claim he was killing your family in the name of his God..now would he?..Xx_Hopeless_xX

How do know he wouldn't?

This is my scenario, not yours.

My scenario was obviously to counter your scenario, so we assume that all things in the scenario are equal.

Please don't read your ugly double-standards into my scenario.

I am trying to make the point that we should hold individual's accountable.

Now, I would totally understand if someone blamed a religion in their pain, but it would be irrational.

Your attempts to justify such a mode of thinking is telling.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"] Its the association to Islam as the 'thing' thats bringing his pain thats the problem, guilty by association is not how the world needs to be governed.

Super_Toad_64

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

How do know he wouldn't?

This is my scenario, not yours.

GreySeal9

My scenario was obviously to counter your scenario, so we assume that all things in the scenario are equal.

Please don't read your ugly double-standards into my scenario.

I am trying to make the point that we should hold individual's accountable.

Now, I would totally understand if someone blamed a religion in their pain, but it would be irrational.

Your attempts to justify such a mode of thinking is telling.

And i'm not creating any double standards..the trend when a murder is comitted by a Muslim tends to be that they claim to do it for "allah"..

And so what if it is irrational?..We still conclude that he would not only burn it because their beliefs do not agree with his..

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] You didn't state he did therefore we can conclude that he didn't..Xx_Hopeless_xX

My scenario was obviously to counter your scenario, so we assume that all things in the scenario are equal.

Please don't read your ugly double-standards into my scenario.

I am trying to make the point that we should hold individual's accountable.

Now, I would totally understand if someone blamed a religion in their pain, but it would be irrational.

Your attempts to justify such a mode of thinking is telling.

Awesome a religion war. just what we needed. grabs popcorn.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I have mixed feelings about this.

ToppledPillars

Even if I disagree with what he was planning to do, I do not agree with calling it off out of fear. Which seemed to be one of the main reasons to not do it "People will get hurt in retaliation!".

I don't believe in kowtowing our freedoms out of fear. Even if it is an act I disagree with.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] The individual would have done it in the name of his God..if we are going by Islam..as that has been the trend..therefore, one could conclude that it was the religions fault in this scenario..Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yet it is still the individual making the decision. There are other people who partake of the religion and don't make that decision.

Listen, I know your endgame in these threads is to always tear down Islam, so we don't need to get into this again.

And yes, so you say that..but how do we know what he'll be thinking?..We don't, therefore, we cannot definitively state that the only reason for burning a Quran ould be because their beliefs disagree with his..

Yes, you are. You always are and it's crystal clear. Most of us weren't born yesterday.

I all ready conceded that you were right that disagreement with beliefs wasn't the only reason for burning a religious book.

But you tried to justify burning the Quran and when I posed the same scenario for the Bible, you revealed your ugly double standards.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

My scenario was obviously to counter your scenario, so we assume that all things in the scenario are equal.

Please don't read your ugly double-standards into my scenario.

I am trying to make the point that we should hold individual's accountable.

Now, I would totally understand if someone blamed a religion in their pain, but it would be irrational.

Your attempts to justify such a mode of thinking is telling.

ohdearohdear

They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.bbkkristian

They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.bbkkristian

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

I have mixed feelings about this.

Pixel-Pirate

Even if I disagree with what he was planning to do, I do not agree with calling it off out of fear. Which seemed to be one of the main reasons to not do it "People will get hurt in retaliation!".

I don't believe in kowtowing our freedoms out of fear. Even if it is an act I disagree with.

He is not kowtowing his freedoms. He is deciding not to go through with something.

We decided to not do things, things that can be considered a right, ALL THE TIME.

It is called "weighing the consequences."

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.Pixel-Pirate

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

Now you start assuming that you know, definitively, others train of thought..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yet it is still the individual making the decision. There are other people who partake of the religion and don't make that decision.

Listen, I know your endgame in these threads is to always tear down Islam, so we don't need to get into this again.

GreySeal9

And yes, so you say that..but how do we know what he'll be thinking?..We don't, therefore, we cannot definitively state that the only reason for burning a Quran ould be because their beliefs disagree with his..

Yes, you are. You always are and it's crystal clear. Most of us weren't born yesterday. And how is trying to prove that one would not burn a religious book solely for the reason that the religion in question does not agree with his religious beliefs suddenly trying to "tear down Islam"?..

I all ready conceded that you were right that disagreement with beliefs wasn't the only reason for burning a religious book. Ok then..

But you tried to justify burning the Quran and when I posed the same scenario for the Bible, you revealed your ugly double standards. My scenario stated that it would be in the name of their God..as that appears to be the trend..your scenario did not..and i cannot come to that conclusion as that is rarely the case..therefore, i am left to go by only the parameters you defined..being that a man..who happens to be Christian killed your family..

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.Pixel-Pirate

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/florida-pastor-calls-off-quran-burning-says-mega-mosque-to-move-away-from-ground-zero.html

If you noticed it too. It said the agreement wasn't confirmed, but it was said.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Now you start assuming that you know, definitively, others train of thought..ohdearohdear

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.Ace6301

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] You didn't state he did therefore we can conclude that he didn't..Xx_Hopeless_xX

My scenario was obviously to counter your scenario, so we assume that all things in the scenario are equal.

Please don't read your ugly double-standards into my scenario.

I am trying to make the point that we should hold individual's accountable.

Now, I would totally understand if someone blamed a religion in their pain, but it would be irrational.

Your attempts to justify such a mode of thinking is telling.

And i'm not creating any double standards..the trend when a murder is comitted by a Muslim tends to be that they claim to do it for "allah"..

And so what if it is irrational?..We still conclude that he would not only burn it because their beliefs do not agree with his..

I all ready agreed with you that disagreement was not the only reason. Clearly. Were not paying attention?

And if you're going to talk about this trend about Muslim murders, please site evidence. Nobody's just going to take your word for it.

Thirdly, you did justify it. When I said that it would be ridiculous, you objected. And then when I posed the same scenario involving a Christian, you avoiding rationalizing the "pain burning."

That is a double standard.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.Ace6301

Damn you, Westboro Baptist Church! Damn you!!!

http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/-1/news?Title=Westboro-Baptist-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t

"'WBC burned the Koran once – and if you sissy brats of Doomed america bully Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center until they change their plans to burn that blasphemous tripe called the Koran, then WBC will burn it (again), to clearly show you some things,' the church announced in a news release this week."

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]Now you start assuming that you know, definitively, others train of thought..Xx_Hopeless_xX

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] People fail to realize this fact. That it was a protest...bbkkristian

Nobody said that he didn't have a right to protest. He's saying that it wouldn't be morally right.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]They were burning it for protest, not because they hate Islam. Why do I think this? Because if the mosque wasn't being built down the block from Ground Zero. This wouldn't have happened. BUT in the end, the mosque is being built somewhere else and the books weren't burnt.bbkkristian

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/florida-pastor-calls-off-quran-burning-says-mega-mosque-to-move-away-from-ground-zero.html

If you noticed it too. It said the agreement wasn't confirmed, but it was said.

I can near garuntee you it won't be moved.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]:lol: i'm not trying to tear down Islam..i'm creating a hypothetical situation to refute the claim that he would SOLELY be burning the book because their teaching are not the same as his/disagree with his..

And yes, so you say that..but how do we know what he'll be thinking?..We don't, therefore, we cannot definitively state that the only reason for burning a Quran ould be because their beliefs disagree with his..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes, you are. You always are and it's crystal clear. Most of us weren't born yesterday. And how is trying to prove that one would not burn a religious book solely for the reason that the religion in question does not agree with his religious beliefs suddenly trying to "tear down Islam"?..

I all ready conceded that you were right that disagreement with beliefs wasn't the only reason for burning a religious book. Ok then..

But you tried to justify burning the Quran and when I posed the same scenario for the Bible, you revealed your ugly double standards. My scenario stated that it would be in the name of their God..as that appears to be the trend..your scenario did not..and i cannot come to that conclusion as that is rarely the case..therefore, i am left to go by only the parameters you defined..being that a man..who happens to be Christian killed your family..

Please show some factual evidence of this trend

I love how all these people on OT hostile to Islam try to hide it and try to come up with little ways to justify their gutter morality.

I love how all these people on OT hostile to Islam try to hide it and try to come up with little ways to justify their gutter morality.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="ToppledPillars"] Do tellGreySeal9

Even if I disagree with what he was planning to do, I do not agree with calling it off out of fear. Which seemed to be one of the main reasons to not do it "People will get hurt in retaliation!".

I don't believe in kowtowing our freedoms out of fear. Even if it is an act I disagree with.

He is not kowtowing his freedoms. He is deciding not to go through with something.

We decided to not do things, things that can be considered a right, ALL THE TIME.

It is called "weighing the consequences."

I essentially agree with what LJ said in the other thread. I do not agree with making fear based decisions.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

Pixel-Pirate

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/florida-pastor-calls-off-quran-burning-says-mega-mosque-to-move-away-from-ground-zero.html

If you noticed it too. It said the agreement wasn't confirmed, but it was said.

I can near garuntee you it won't be moved.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Link on mosque being built elsewhere?

Pixel-Pirate

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/florida-pastor-calls-off-quran-burning-says-mega-mosque-to-move-away-from-ground-zero.html

If you noticed it too. It said the agreement wasn't confirmed, but it was said.

I can near garuntee you it won't be moved.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I love how all these people on OT hostile to Islam try to hide it and try to come up with little ways to justify their gutter morality.

ohdearohdear

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I could do some pretty terrible things in protest, doesn't make them right.GreySeal9

Nobody said that he didn't have a right to protest. He's saying that it wouldn't be morally right.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]:lol: i'm not trying to tear down Islam..i'm creating a hypothetical situation to refute the claim that he would SOLELY be burning the book because their teaching are not the same as his/disagree with his..

And yes, so you say that..but how do we know what he'll be thinking?..We don't, therefore, we cannot definitively state that the only reason for burning a Quran ould be because their beliefs disagree with his..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yes, you are. You always are and it's crystal clear. Most of us weren't born yesterday. And how is trying to prove that one would not burn a religious book solely for the reason that the religion in question does not agree with his religious beliefs suddenly trying to "tear down Islam"?..

I all ready conceded that you were right that disagreement with beliefs wasn't the only reason for burning a religious book. Ok then..

But you tried to justify burning the Quran and when I posed the same scenario for the Bible, you revealed your ugly double standards. My scenario stated that it would be in the name of their God..as that appears to be the trend..your scenario did not..and i cannot come to that conclusion as that is rarely the case..therefore, i am left to go by only the parameters you defined..being that a man..who happens to be Christian killed your family..

My scenario was in response to yours. Commons sense dictates that all things were equal in the scenarios.

Just to get past all this BS, I'll pose a question:

Do you think burning a Bible can be justified? Do you think burning a Quran can be justified?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Saw it on the news one sec. Here ya go :D

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/09/florida-pastor-calls-off-quran-burning-says-mega-mosque-to-move-away-from-ground-zero.html

If you noticed it too. It said the agreement wasn't confirmed, but it was said.

MaxPred2010

I can near garuntee you it won't be moved.

Was that some sort of vague threat to destroy a giant building in manhattan....?

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