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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]If you want to prove a trend, use statistics.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You think that pasting together some incident proves your points.

If you want to prove a trend, use statistics.

I'm not going to take anything less than statistics seriously, especially not your garbage link.

Let's try to keep our standards high.

GreySeal9

That's his problem, not mine.

He made a point about a trend. Evidence of trends need to be statistical.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Nowhere does it say that. As far as I know, people of other religions and such have just as much chance to get to Heaven as Christians, God never Condemns non believers to Hell. bbkkristian

You're not correct. Christiianity says that believing Jesus is God is the only way to heaven.

And to go to heaven. they must become a believer.

I don't feel like wading through spin so lets just be frank.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]If you want to prove a trend, use statistics.foxhound_fox

It goes a lot further to present actual statistics than to just make hand-wavy claims though... which is what was happening...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Jesus said 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the father but through me'. So yes, heaven is Christians only apparently.ohdearohdear

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] How is he going to get statistics on people killing in the name of Allah? Snipes_2

That's his problem, not mine.

He made a point about a trend. Evidence of trends need to be statistical.

So how do you determine that something is a trend if you don't have statistics. Explain the process.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]If you want to prove a trend, use statistics.foxhound_fox

I realize that, but I'm just making the point that cherrypicking from Hopeless does not a point make.

I'm not saying that statistics alone can prove his point.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Nowhere does it say that. As far as I know, people of other religions and such have just as much chance to get to Heaven as Christians, God never Condemns non believers to Hell. Snipes_2

You're not correct. Christiianity says that believing Jesus is God is the only way to heaven.

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You think that pasting together some incident proves your points.

If you want to prove a trend, use statistics.

I'm not going to take anything less than statistics seriously, especially not your garbage link.

Let's try to keep our standards high.

GreySeal9

Simply pasting together some incidents does not prove your point. Why in the world do you think it would? You didn't even read the whole ****ing post apparently...how about you go back and read the quotes and statements i posted made by those who follow Islam in which they state that they kill in the name of Allah....

I'm not saying that there is statistics. What I am saying is that if you're going to make a claim like that, then you'd better have some. How about you just use your critical thinking skills, based on many of the claims..(of which you have apparently not read)..made by those who follow Islam and kill other human beings..supports the claim that it is indeed a trend..

But you don't.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

That's his problem, not mine.

He made a point about a trend. Evidence of trends need to be statistical.

GreySeal9

So how do you determine that something is a trend if you don't have statistics. Explain the process.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Nowhere does it say that. As far as I know, people of other religions and such have just as much chance to get to Heaven as Christians, God never Condemns non believers to Hell. Snipes_2

And where does it say this?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You don't need statistics to see a trend among people saying things. Statistics are provided for trends in murder etc...Not words. Snipes_2

So how do you determine that something is a trend if you don't have statistics. Explain the process.

When did I state that Islamaphobia is a trend?

Actually, you can provide statistics on what people say. What do you think polls are?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

You're not correct. Christiianity says that believing Jesus is God is the only way to heaven.

Super_Toad_64

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So how do you determine that something is a trend if you don't have statistics. Explain the process.

GreySeal9

When did I state that Islamaphobia is a trend?

Actually, you can provide statistics on what people say. What do you think polls are?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]Way to totally ignore the quote.ohdearohdear

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] :lol:..so you just disregard all of the claims made and pretend that there are statistics for such a thing..and then attempt to call my link garbage..as if you can't look up thsoe quotes for yourself to prove they are in fact true quotes..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Simply pasting together some incidents does not prove your point. Why in the world do you think it would? You didn't even read the whole ****ing post apparently...how about you go back and read the quotes and statements i posted made by those who follow Islam in which they state that they kill in the name of Allah....

I'm not saying that there is statistics. What I am saying is that if you're going to make a claim like that, then you'd better have some. How about you just use your critical thinking skills, based on many of the claims..(of which you have apparently not read)..made by those who follow Islam and kill other human beings..supports the claim that it is indeed a trend..

But you don't.

I skimmed over the stuff you posted.

You seem to be mad that I'm not taking your post seriously, but you stated that there are trend, and then you supported it with a post that amounts to cheerypicking. Nobody is denying that some people kill in the name of Allah which is all you've proven.

If you want to establish a trend, you need to go beyond what you've laid out in your post.

I mean, if you're going to make a statement, it doesn't look very good to support it in the most lazy of ways.

If you can't adequately support your statement with substantial methods, then maybe you shouldn't make the statement.

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Where? Unless you have spoken to people of deceased members from another religion, how would you know they went to Hell?

Super_Toad_64

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Can you provide me with a link to this quote, where exactly did you get it from? Furthermore, that quote doesn't mean everyone is condemned to hell. Snipes_2

This is ridiculous.

Just because Jesus comforted his disciples does not somehow cancel out the quote that ohdearohdear posted.

Your post is a non-sequitur.

[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Can you provide me with a link to this quote, where exactly did you get it from? Furthermore, that quote doesn't mean everyone is condemned to hell. Snipes_2

Wait, what? You didn't even address 14.6...

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]See this is what gripes me with Christians, how loosely you follow the Bible.

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Snipes_2

And people who don't believe in God are *gasp* unbelievers.

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]See this is what gripes me with Christians, how loosely you follow the Bible.

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]See this is what gripes me with Christians, how loosely you follow the Bible.

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, when you state "Islamaphobia is a trend" you are incorrect? And you disregarded what I said about trends, you obviously cannot provide statistics on what people say...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

When did I state that Islamaphobia is a trend?

Actually, you can provide statistics on what people say. What do you think polls are?

I know you think that what you just typed is cute, but that doesn't change the fact that Snipes assertion that polls can't account for words is wrong, and it doesn't change that you said that there was a trend and now are getting frustrated that your means of proving it are woefully inadequate.

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]See this is what gripes me with Christians, how loosely you follow the Bible.

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Snipes_2

I'm no expert in theology but it seems far more likely to me that "unbelieving" would refer to those who do not believe in the Christian God...

Wait, what? You didn't even address 14.6...

chessmaster1989

Victory for common sense and decency. :DTheokhoth

I just hope thy won't move the mosque because some pastor in Florida threatened to burn Qu'rans.

That's my two cents. *strolls out of thread*

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

Super_Toad_64

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

chessmaster1989

I'm no expert in theology but it seems far more likely to me that "unbelieving" would refer to those who do not believe in the Christian God...

It does.

Snipes just can't deal with the realities of his own religion.

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Uhm, The People who don't believe in God/Denounce God. Not the people of other religions ;)

Snipes_2

You didn't refute it at all. You merely said that people of other religions don't go to hell without back it up with scripture.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Christianity is not Hostile towards Non Believers though. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="ohdearohdear"]...it's from the Bible. It's John 14:6. It's one of the most iconic quotes in Christian theology. I thought you were a Christian :|ohdearohdear

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Victory for common sense and decency. :Dohdearohdear

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Uhm, The People who don't believe in God/Denounce God. Not the people of other religions ;)

Snipes_2

[QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Uhm, The People who don't believe in God/Denounce God. Not the people of other religions ;)

Snipes_2

Uhh... yes, exactly. If you don't believe in the Christian God, you go to hell. You just refuted yourself...

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]*Facepalm* This whole argument is about Unbeleivers, furthermore prove your statements rather than adding a wink to the end of it that way i could maybe take you abit more seriously.

GreySeal9

You didn't refute it at all. You merely said that people of other religions don't go to hell without back it up with scripture.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Christianity is not Hostile towards Non Believers though. Silenthps

The Christian is being loving, but the religious dogma remains hostile.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Wait, what? You didn't even address 14.6...

Snipes_2

And by the way im in no way trying to bash chrystianity rather im pointing out the hypocrysy of some christian posters on these boards who like to point fingers at Islam.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You asserted that all Non Christians go to Hell, I refuted it. Nowhere does it say all Non Christians go to Hell. Unbelievers (Like I stated before) means people who denounce or don't believe in God. Snipes_2

You didn't refute it at all. You merely said that people of other religions don't go to hell without back it up with scripture.

If it never states such things, then on what authority are you stating that other religions don't go to hell.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Super_Toad_64"]*Facepalm* This whole argument is about Unbeleivers, furthermore prove your statements rather than adding a wink to the end of it that way i could maybe take you abit more seriously.

chessmaster1989

Uhh... yes, exactly. If you don't believe in the Christian God, you go to hell. You just refuted yourself...