looks like florida will riot if zimmerman gets off.....

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[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] i was being sarcastic since people like to throw that comment aroundThaneKrios28

Well the thing about our justice system is that you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  

No, what I said is still true

Wish I didn't live near so many blacks.  I am worried for my safety.

Jakejack

Because you're racist?

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

The justice system being right does not prevent people from doing stupid shit.  Zimmerman has already been convicted in the media/societal court

lostrib

Well the thing about our justice system is that you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  

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[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] i was being sarcastic since people like to throw that comment aroundfl4tlined

Well the thing about our justice system is that you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Well the thing about our justice system is that you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  

lostrib

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Well the thing about our justice system is that you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  

lostrib

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] meh regardless of any circumstance it's more like guilty till proven guilty.. even if Zimmerman got a not guilty verdict (not taking sides what so ever) this trial has tainted his reputation forever even if gotten off scott free he would forever be shamed by mostly everyone not able to find a job and probably end up being killed due to racial tensions. either way he's screwed regardless and this is basically any court case in america especially very public ones.. even being associated with a crime even one you did not commit makes people uneasy.fl4tlined

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

again like i said. there is a size difference between the 2. i really dont see someone of martin size wrestling some like zimmerman to the groundThaneKrios28

Zimmerman put on a lot of weight for the trial, and was quite a bit skinnier when he fought Martin. Also those early pictures of Trayvon were from when he was 14 or something.

I think they were close to the same size at the fight. I think I heard somewhere that Trayvon was 6ft tall, I don't think Zimmerman is that tall.

There is a picture around where Trayvon is holding a handgun or smoking, he doesn't look that small in the picture.

I'm sure the actual investigators know both peoples' size. From pictures I have seen I think Trayvon could have easily taken down Zimmerman. Zimmerman seems kinda wimpy.

That goes back to my earlier post of how did Zimmerman get his injuries if he didn't get his a$s kicked?

[QUOTE="fl4tlined"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

ThaneKrios28

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] meh regardless of any circumstance it's more like guilty till proven guilty.. even if Zimmerman got a not guilty verdict (not taking sides what so ever) this trial has tainted his reputation forever even if gotten off scott free he would forever be shamed by mostly everyone not able to find a job and probably end up being killed due to racial tensions. either way he's screwed regardless and this is basically any court case in america especially very public ones.. even being associated with a crime even one you did not commit makes people uneasy.fl4tlined

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

that and he is currently in jail

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="fl4tlined"] to be honest this http://www.amazon.com/If-Did-It-Confessions-Killer/dp/B002HJ3HOS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372734908&sr=8-1&keywords=if+i+did+it probably did not help in OJ's case lol...fl4tlined

It is, generally there is no statute of limitations on murder

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[QUOTE="fl4tlined"] meh regardless of any circumstance it's more like guilty till proven guilty.. even if Zimmerman got a not guilty verdict (not taking sides what so ever) this trial has tainted his reputation forever even if gotten off scott free he would forever be shamed by mostly everyone not able to find a job and probably end up being killed due to racial tensions. either way he's screwed regardless and this is basically any court case in america especially very public ones.. even being associated with a crime even one you did not commit makes people uneasy.ThaneKrios28

Yes, unfortunately the decisions of the court do not extend to society, who seem to make their opinions off of what they hear from the media. Just look at OJ and Duke Lacrosse

you do realize that Michael vick went to jail, right? 

you do realize that Michael vick went to jail, right? 

lostrib

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you do realize that Michael vick went to jail, right? 

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

you do realize that Michael vick went to jail, right? 

ThaneKrios28

describing yourself?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

you do realize that Michael vick went to jail, right? 

ThaneKrios28

here you go my friend

Actually from what I looked up Zimmerman was around 5'7-5'8 and 185-195 pounds and Trayvon was 5'11 and 158 pounds.

Maybe, fighting knowing he had a gun on him was a disadvantage for Zimmerman in a hand-to-hand fight: Protecting the gun distracted him from giving him a chance to win the fight physically.

The person's demeanor also depends on it maybe Trayvon is mean and experienced in fighting, and Zimmerman is a born wimp--I really do not know either person.

Actually from what I looked up Zimmerman was around 5'7-5'8 and 185-195strategyfn

didn't this all start with Zimmerman following trayvon or something when he was told by the police not to in the first place or some such? sorry for not following this case to much but just wondering because this seems like a pretty big thing.fl4tlined

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooo.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No more tears....LJS9502_basic

didn't this all start with Zimmerman following trayvon or something when he was told by the police not to in the first place or some such? sorry for not following this case to much but just wondering because this seems like a pretty big thing.fl4tlined

The police dispatcher, whom I quoted earlier in this thread, stated on the stand and under oath, that they cannot order someone to not do something due to liability, they can only suggest. The dispatcher's words were, "you do not need to do that." That is a suggestion and not a command or order 

Whats the law in Florida anyway. Could Zimmerman have brandished his weapon at Trayvon and made a citizen's arrest until the cops showed up? Thereby no physical violence or shot him in the leg.

I think I heard in part of the trial, not following it too closely, that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman from some bushes. They still had a conversation though before they fought.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="dave123321"] D3nny?dave123321

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Whats the law in Florida anyway. Could Zimmerman have brandished his weapon at Trayvon and made a citizen's arrest until the cops showed up? Thereby no physical violence or shot him in the leg.

I think I heard in part of the trial, not following it too closely, that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman from some bushes. They still had a conversation though before they fought.

strategyfn

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Huh?nomsayin

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unification

Whats the law in Florida anyway. Could Zimmerman have brandished his weapon at Trayvon and made a citizen's arrest until the cops showed up? Thereby no physical violence or shot him in the leg.

I think I heard in part of the trial, not following it too closely, that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman from some bushes. They still had a conversation though before they fought.

strategyfn

No, you cannot just brandish your weapon to enact a citizen's arrest. Yes, Zimmerman has claimed that Martin jumped out of some bushes. Martin may have asked what Zimmerman was doing, but could have been swinging at the same time to get the upper hand over Zimmerman. That will never be known as no one saw the initial encounter minutes before Martin was shot.

Good morning. 

Good morning. 

nomsayin

^Supposedly, according to the trial Trayvon asked Zimmerman "Do you have a problem. Zimmerman said, "No." And Trayvon said, "You do now." This was after he came from the bushes.

strategyfn

No, you cannot just brandish your weapon to enact a citizen's arrest. Yes, Zimmerman has claimed that Martin jumped out of some bushes. Martin may have asked what Zimmerman was doing, but could have been swinging at the same time to get the upper hand over Zimmerman. That will never be known as no one saw the initial encounter minutes before Martin was shot.

WhiteKnight77

Supposedly, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon asked Zimmerman "Do you have a problem. Zimmerman said, "No." And Trayvon said, "You do now." This was after he came from the bushes.

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No, you cannot just brandish your weapon to enact a citizen's arrest. Yes, Zimmerman has claimed that Martin jumped out of some bushes. Martin may have asked what Zimmerman was doing, but could have been swinging at the same time to get the upper hand over Zimmerman. That will never be known as no one saw the initial encounter minutes before Martin was shot.

strategyfn

Supposedly, according to Zimmerman, Trayvon asked Zimmerman "Do you have a problem. Zimmerman said, "No." And Trayvon said, "You do now." This was after he came from the bushes.

If that is the case, it shows that Martin was the aggressor and not Zimmerman and couple that with the injuries Zimmerman had, along with the testimony of the witness seeing Zimmerman underneath Martin and that Zimmerman shot in self defense. 

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Whats the law in Florida anyway. Could Zimmerman have brandished his weapon at Trayvon and made a citizen's arrest until the cops showed up? Thereby no physical violence or shot him in the leg.

I think I heard in part of the trial, not following it too closely, that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman from some bushes. They still had a conversation though before they fought.

fl4tlined

Sorry I meant Trayvon made an entrance from the bushes according to some of the trial. Then they exchanged words.

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Good morning. 

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="nomsayin"]

Good morning. 

dave123321

If that is the case, it shows that Martin was the aggressor and not Zimmerman and couple that with the injuries Zimmerman had, along with the testimony of the witness seeing Zimmerman underneath Martin and that Zimmerman shot in self defense.

WhiteKnight77

You have to remember that is George Zimmerman's account about their exchange of words, and he could be lieing.