Looks like Obama is our next president......10% LEAD over McCain!!! 10%!

Yea dude, the election is already over. -RocBoys9489-

McCain and Palin make a pretty bad image for the US too IMO.-RocBoys9489-

That's great news, finally America will be heading in the right direction and the world will be better offToriko42

everybody loves communism

[QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. ferrari2001

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Well, I guess you've got your reasons. I imagine you stopped saying the pledge of allegiance anyways after Bush's administration stripped you of liberties as well, so it's not like you're in the habit of it.

I mean, I still stand and sing the national anthem, but I'm constantly writing to my local rep to voice my displeasure with whatever I don't like that's going on. :P I'd imagine he's considerably annoyed with me.

Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)Rikusaki

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

Im not too fond of either candidates, but whatever keeps Palin out of the white house im with.EVOLV3

[QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. ferrari2001

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)stupiddk

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

ahah anyone who believes an american born christian is a terrorist really is an idiot,

and McCain has lied more times than any other presidential candidate......

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)stupiddk

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

You strike me as one of the people who would yell stuff like "terrorist" and "kill him" at McCain rallies.

To be honest, it's people like you that give republicans such a bad name.

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]That's too bad, hopefully America will recover from his presidency. -Austin-

Ron Paul 2012

:cry: I miss Ron :cry:

We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. ferrari2001

*sigh* I really don't like to get involved in these conversations, because I personally hate both Democrats or Republicans, but please just stop.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

mfacek

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

I really hope you're wrong. I miss Ron too.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. mfacek

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

The liberty to not have my money seized by the government and given to poor people who don't have jobs! Regrettably that was never a liberty spelled out in the constitution so I guess it doesn't count. But it should.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)stupiddk

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

Hrm, Terrorist and liar. I wonder if that's better than a President who would also lie to the population extensively, take protesters hostage, hates minorities, hates all Arabs everywhere, hopes for an armageddon as soon as possible; a president who would murder those who speak out against him, and who supports anti-american movements.

See? I can to guilt by association too.

[QUOTE="stupiddk"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)TheBeast789

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

ahah anyone who believes an american born christian is a terrorist really is an idiot,

and McCain has lied more times than any other presidential candidate......

Ties to the anti-semitic, racist, and radical Louis Farrakahn of the Nation of Islam and Bob Ayers, the unrepentent terrorist. Obama is getting away with fraud with the american people wiht his lies. He is much more dangerous than McCain. How can you be proud of Obama if we get attacked again like 9/11 because of his lack of expierence on Foreign and Domestic Issues. Hes all fluff and politics. How come McCain's health plan, plan for Iraq/Afghanistan, Economic Stimulus plan is the only one that experts say will fix problems? Obama is a lair and a cheat.

ahah anyone who believes an american born christian is a terrorist really is an idiot,

and McCain has lied more times than any other presidential candidate......

TheBeast789

Look, you make Obama supporters look stupid with ignorant, unprovable claims like this. Unless you know every claim and every proven, admitted lie from all presidential candidates in history and can prove it, keep these blanket statements to yourself.

Obama is a good candidate imo and will do somewhat justice to the US.

Ron Paul..though I dont agree with his religious attire, he is a man that would serve the country for the people, not the greedy corporations, unfortunately the media was against him.

[QUOTE="stupiddk"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)mfacek

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

You strike me as one of the people who would yell stuff like "terrorist" and "kill him" at McCain rallies.

To be honest, it's people like you that give republicans such a bad name.

Republicans? That's not enough. People like him give Americans a bad name. Hopefully he won't show up on election day.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

Link? And does McCain support that as well?

I really hate that Obama's against the second amendment.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

Wiretapping-

McCain supports warrentless wiretapping as well-

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGUxZDA1YWJkMjQyZGNjYTI1OWExY2JmNzhmODczY2E=

Abortion-

You are aware that many people would consider the right to choice a liberty?

I digress though, this isn't a pro-choice, pro-life debate is it?

The simple fact is Roe vs. Wade is a supreme court decision, Obama and McCain have no right to overturn it. SO in reality, it's a moot point.

Gun control-

Obama isn't going to take your right to own guns, neither is McCain.

And what about McCain supporting torture, and Gautanamo Bay?

Habeus Corpus anyone?

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

xMOBSTER23x

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

Link? And does McCain support that as well?

I really hate that Obama's against the second amendment.

Obama isn't "against" the second amendment.

1. i don't really think this means anything, i mean al gore won the popular vote in 2000 yet he somehow still lost. our US electoral system doesn't make much sense to me and i think it's very unpredictable.

2. as some other people have said, whatever it takes to keep palin out of the white house, i'm for.

[QUOTE="TheBeast789"][QUOTE="stupiddk"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)stupiddk

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

ahah anyone who believes an american born christian is a terrorist really is an idiot,

and McCain has lied more times than any other presidential candidate......

Ties to the anti-semitic, racist, and radical Louis Farrakahn of the Nation of Islam and Bob Ayers, the unrepentent terrorist. Obama is getting away with fraud with the american people wiht his lies. He is much more dangerous than McCain. How can you be proud of Obama if we get attacked again like 9/11 because of his lack of expierence on Foreign and Domestic Issues. Hes all fluff and politics. How come McCain's health plan, plan for Iraq/Afghanistan, Economic Stimulus plan is the only one that experts say will fix problems? Obama is a lair and a cheat.

Do you really want me to list all of McCain's shady associations?

Also, you bring up 9/11, you are aware it was the failure of REPUBLICANS in office to prevent that right?

Condelleza Rice had a memo stating Osama Bin Laden's intentions and she ignored it.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

Obama is a good candidate imo and will do somewhat justice to the US.

Ron Paul..though I dont agree with his religious attire, he is a man that would serve the country for the people, not the greedy corporations, unfortunately the media was against him.

ab-1205

Yeah, I hated his religious crap too, but he still would have made a good president.

[QUOTE="TheBeast789"][QUOTE="stupiddk"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Watch out. McCain may pull a Bush move and win the election! (he will lie and cheat)stupiddk

Wait a sec, Obama already is doing this with his party's early voting in Ohio and his direct ties to voter registration fraud organization Acorn. Oh well, Obama IS a terrorist and a liar and it will show come election day.

ahah anyone who believes an american born christian is a terrorist really is an idiot,

and McCain has lied more times than any other presidential candidate......

Ties to the anti-semitic, racist, and radical Louis Farrakahn of the Nation of Islam and Bob Ayers, the unrepentent terrorist. Obama is getting away with fraud with the american people wiht his lies. He is much more dangerous than McCain. How can you be proud of Obama if we get attacked again like 9/11 because of his lack of expierence on Foreign and Domestic Issues. Hes all fluff and politics. How come McCain's health plan, plan for Iraq/Afghanistan, Economic Stimulus plan is the only one that experts say will fix problems? Obama is a lair and a cheat.

You know, the Bush appointed Justice Clarence Thomas...who is a friend of McCain, and who is highly revered by Republicans as an ideal judge...is a supporter of black nationalist groups like the Black Panthers, who has most of Malcom X's speeches, who admires Louis Farrakahn, among other 'questionable' interests.

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

1. Obama joined a filibuster that blocked Bush's version of the Patriot Act (Something Obama was against in the first place), which would have given up even more of our liberties.

2. The right to a choice in aborting a mass of cells is a libert in and of itself, and restricting that desicion which would relieve the stresses of unworthy parents is not at all anti liberty.

3. God, i feel like I'm in 1799. Gun rights? This is a voting issue? What a joke. the Constitution was penned in an era where there was no police or army corps, and it was every man for himself. The Second Amendment is outdated and is a joke.

Get your facts straight before you talk

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. GIJames248

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

The liberty to not have my money seized by the government and given to poor people who don't have jobs! Regrettably that was never a liberty spelled out in the constitution so I guess it doesn't count. But it should.

Especially not by the federal government.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

-Austin-

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

[QUOTE="ab-1205"]

Obama is a good candidate imo and will do somewhat justice to the US.

Ron Paul..though I dont agree with his religious attire, he is a man that would serve the country for the people, not the greedy corporations, unfortunately the media was against him.

xMOBSTER23x

Yeah, I hated his religious crap too, but he still would have made a good president.

Yup. I figured that issues such as religion, marriage, abortion etc are important but they are not what you should look towards when voting for a President, for a president there are more important issues at stake .

But you know what's funny? Instead of addressing IMPORTANT ISSUES, Sarah Palin keeps talking about abortion, marriage, and spends most of her time attacking Obama instead of addressing issues. THAT IS SAD.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

-Austin-

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

The Constitution was penned in the 18th century, public education and healthcare were literally non-existent. The Constitution gives the government the right to make programs that are needed and beneficial for the United States if they are not discussed in the Constitution.

It's a living, breathing document that CAN be changed as necessary.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

cavsfan2320

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Exactly, if it was up to him we would still be under the Articles of Confederation

:lol:

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

cavsfan2320

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Sorry, but the constitution says otherwise, and thats far more important than anything you have to say.

[QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

mfacek

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Exactly, if it was up to him we would still be under the Articles of Confederation

:lol:

If it were up to you our country would be like Oceania in 1984.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

mfacek

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

The Constitution was penned in the 18th century, public education and healthcare were literally non-existent. The Constitution gives the government the right to make programs that are needed and beneficial for the United States if they are not discussed in the Constitution.

It's a living, breathing document that CAN be changed as necessary.

Yeah...to the states....

[QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

-Austin-

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Sorry, but the constitution says otherwise, and thats far more important than anything you have to say.

Nope, you're wrong.

(Art. I, Sec. VIII, paragraph 18 )

The clause stipulates that Congress may pass any laws "necessary and proper" to carry out the powers vested in the various government agencies.

Essentially saying that Congress can pass a law overuling any state's law if it is deemed "necessary and proper".

... so I guess Ralph Nader isn't going to win? Greatgone12

He'll never stop running. One day he might actually win!

polls really don't mean squat.

[QUOTE="Greatgone12"]... so I guess Ralph Nader isn't going to win? Zorn_Ate_Thorn

He'll never stop running. One day he might actually win!

RoboNader will narrowly defeat TaftBot.

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

-Austin-

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

The Constitution was penned in the 18th century, public education and healthcare were literally non-existent. The Constitution gives the federal government the right to make programs that are needed and beneficial for the United States if they are not discussed in the Constitution.

It's a living, breathing document that CAN be changed as necessary.

Yeah...to the states....

Better for you to understand?

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

mfacek

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Sorry, but the constitution says otherwise, and thats far more important than anything you have to say.

Nope, you're wrong.

(Art. I, Sec. VIII, paragraph 18 )

The clause stipulates that Congress may pass any laws "necessary and proper" to carry out the powers vested in the various government agencies.

Essentially saying that Congress can pass a law overuling any state's law if it is deemed "necessary and proper".

Yeah...to carry out the powers the federal government is given in the constitution. All other rights belong to the state. See: The Tenth Amendment. Which means socialized healthcare,abortion and gay marriage should be dealt with on a state level.

Wiretapping-

McCain supports warrentless wiretapping as well-

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGUxZDA1YWJkMjQyZGNjYTI1OWExY2JmNzhmODczY2E=

mfacek

I know McCain is for wiretapping. I wish there was a candidate that was against that.

Abortion-

You are aware that many people would consider the right to choice a liberty?

I digress though, this isn't a pro-choice, pro-life debate is it?

The simple fact is Roe vs. Wade is a supreme court decision, Obama and McCain have no right to overturn it. SO in reality, it's a moot point.

mfacek

Fair enough. I personally find it unconstitutional.

Gun control-

Obama isn't going to take your right to own guns, neither is McCain.

mfacek

Link to back you up and Obama respects the 2nd Amendment, but he is for tougher strict control. The 2nd Amendment is undoubtedly vague though.

And what about McCain supporting torture, and Gautanamo Bay?

Habeus Corpus anyone?

mfacek

McCain doesn't support torture and wants to close Guantanamo.