Looks like Obama is our next president......10% LEAD over McCain!!! 10%!

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. mfacek

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

right to bear arms

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

And what about McCain supporting torture, and Gautanamo Bay?

Habeus Corpus anyone?

Genetic_Code

McCain doesn't support torture and wants to close Guantanamo.

He voted to allow torture just this year-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

cavsfan2320

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

1. Obama joined a filibuster that blocked Bush's version of the Patriot Act (Something Obama was against in the first place), which would have given up even more of our liberties.

2. The right to a choice in aborting a mass of cells is a libert in and of itself, and restricting that desicion which would relieve the stresses of unworthy parents is not at all anti liberty.

3. God, i feel like I'm in 1799. Gun rights? This is a voting issue? What a joke. the Constitution was penned in an era where there was no police or army corps, and it was every man for himself. The Second Amendment is outdated and is a joke.

Get your facts straight before you talk

I only posted facts. ;)

1. Bush's version. He still supports wiretapping.

2. The act to take away a mass of cells such as yourself is not a liberty.

3. The Second Amendment is vague. I'm not for or against it the Second Amendment. I was merely posting facts.

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. x-chump-x

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

right to bear arms

Wrong, name on instance where Obama has expressed any interest whatsoever to overturn the 2nd amendment when he takes office.

[QUOTE="x-chump-x"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. mfacek

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

right to bear arms

Wrong, name on instance where Obama has expressed any interest whatsoever to overturn the 2nd amendment when he takes office.

The only things he ha suggested was to make getting guns alot harder to get.. For odvious reasons.. And to ban certain types of guns with in certain zones, such as city limits.. Or perhapes near school areas.. It seems quite rational to me.

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"]

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

And what about McCain supporting torture, and Gautanamo Bay?

Habeus Corpus anyone?

mfacek

McCain doesn't support torture and wants to close Guantanamo.

He voted to allow torture just this year-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

McCain supports alot of horrible stuff. I honestly think Obama would be better off going as a centrist against McCain. Be fiscally conservative and socially liberal and he would IMO grab up alot of the right and all of the left that doesn't vote third party.

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

-Austin-

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Sorry, but the constitution says otherwise, and thats far more important than anything you have to say.

Nope, you're wrong.

(Art. I, Sec. VIII, paragraph 18 )

The clause stipulates that Congress may pass any laws "necessary and proper" to carry out the powers vested in the various government agencies.

Essentially saying that Congress can pass a law overuling any state's law if it is deemed "necessary and proper".

Yeah...to carry out the powers the federal government is given in the constitution. All other rights belong to the state. See: The Tenth Amendment. Which means socialized healthcare,abortion and gay marriage should be dealt with on a state level.

This is becoming a "loose" interpretation and "strict" interpretation of the Constitution debate.

I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I will say though that you shouldn't expect full state's rights and a weakening of the federal government anytime soon. The south deciding to secede because their "state right" to slavery was threatened screwed you :lol:

Omg I had to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7RZTlzXHmo&feature=related

Bahaha!

It's pretty clever...I'm not a huge fan of rap museeek, but the words are gr8

He voted to allow torture just this year-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

mfacek

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="x-chump-x"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tman93"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]We say the pledge of allegience at school, I can't pledge my allegence to a country run by barrack obama. So hopefully he doesn't win. Plus the Polls are WAY innacurate. Just because it's a very controversial election so no one is saying how they are actually going to vote in those polls. sSubZerOo

Oh well I guess your lucky you weren't around for any other democratic president, because you would have lost faith along time ago.

Im glad I don't pledge allegience to a political party or person, but to the country itself.

I would have pledge to America Under clinton in fact I did, unlike obama, clinton was smart and experienced. Clinton made a few mistakes here and there, but I liked him alot more than Obama, Plus he plays the saxophone.... And I pledge to the country to, but a country taking away liberties that make this country american I cannot pledge to.

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

right to bear arms

Wrong, name on instance where Obama has expressed any interest whatsoever to overturn the 2nd amendment when he takes office.

The only things he ha suggested was to make getting guns alot harder to get.. For odvious reasons.. And to ban certain types of guns with in certain zones, such as city limits.. Or perhapes near school areas.. It seems quite rational to me.

exactly

[QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

1. Obama joined a filibuster that blocked Bush's version of the Patriot Act (Something Obama was against in the first place), which would have given up even more of our liberties.

2. The right to a choice in aborting a mass of cells is a libert in and of itself, and restricting that desicion which would relieve the stresses of unworthy parents is not at all anti liberty.

3. God, i feel like I'm in 1799. Gun rights? This is a voting issue? What a joke. the Constitution was penned in an era where there was no police or army corps, and it was every man for himself. The Second Amendment is outdated and is a joke.

Get your facts straight before you talk

I only posted facts. ;)

1. Bush's version. He still supports wiretapping.

2. The act to take away a mass of cells such as yourself is not a liberty.

3. The Second Amendment is vague. I'm not for or against it the Second Amendment. I was merely posting facts.

1. With amendments to only target suspected terrorists, not the nation as a whole (McCain, Bush)

2. Yes. It is. Are you telling me a zygote or a blastula is a human being?

3. Be more selective in your "facts"

[QUOTE="mfacek"]

He voted to allow torture just this year-

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

Genetic_Code

Interesting. I'm just letting you know that I read what you posted and I'm not disputing that.

Yeah unfortantely McCain bent over for that issue.. I think it was just because he wanted to run for president.. No matter what, no canidate is a real mavrick to their parties views when running for president, because in the end you will not win.. Thats why people like Ron Paul with his outlandish views had little support from the party.. Hopefully if McCain is put into office he shows his true colors as a more moderate politician.. And thats probably the main reason why he chose Palin, so he can reel in the support of the entire republican party..

[QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

Genetic_Code

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

1. Obama joined a filibuster that blocked Bush's version of the Patriot Act (Something Obama was against in the first place), which would have given up even more of our liberties.

2. The right to a choice in aborting a mass of cells is a libert in and of itself, and restricting that desicion which would relieve the stresses of unworthy parents is not at all anti liberty.

3. God, i feel like I'm in 1799. Gun rights? This is a voting issue? What a joke. the Constitution was penned in an era where there was no police or army corps, and it was every man for himself. The Second Amendment is outdated and is a joke.

Get your facts straight before you talk

I only posted facts. ;)

1. Bush's version. He still supports wiretapping.

2. The act to take away a mass of cells such as yourself is not a liberty.

3. The Second Amendment is vague. I'm not for or against it the Second Amendment. I was merely posting facts.

Where's the Obama link for wiretapping

I suppose that is good. I still want Ron Paul though! :cry:omfg_its_dally

Please don't bring the Libertarian nutjobs into this, this is supposed to be a celebration! Obama/Biden 08!

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

xMOBSTER23x

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

1. Obama joined a filibuster that blocked Bush's version of the Patriot Act (Something Obama was against in the first place), which would have given up even more of our liberties.

2. The right to a choice in aborting a mass of cells is a libert in and of itself, and restricting that desicion which would relieve the stresses of unworthy parents is not at all anti liberty.

3. God, i feel like I'm in 1799. Gun rights? This is a voting issue? What a joke. the Constitution was penned in an era where there was no police or army corps, and it was every man for himself. The Second Amendment is outdated and is a joke.

Get your facts straight before you talk

I only posted facts. ;)

1. Bush's version. He still supports wiretapping.

2. The act to take away a mass of cells such as yourself is not a liberty.

3. The Second Amendment is vague. I'm not for or against it the Second Amendment. I was merely posting facts.

Where's the Obama link for wiretapping

Does it matter either way.. No sane or rational person will agree 100% even with their canidate they are supporting for on all issues..

everyone prepare for the communist gov't taking over! YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! :|
hodges_3_5

At least Ron Paul had the balls during the republican convention to say that terrorist and rogue cells mainly hate us for our forieng policy.. And not the propaganda "for our freedoms"...

McCain and Palin make a pretty bad image for the US too IMO.-RocBoys9489-

MOST americans give bad image of US to the world. :lol:

Communism isn't all that bad.

Especially for the people who can't afford to feed their children :)

You know our country has never been so close to a communist country than it is today.

No more starving homeless!!!!!! I can't say I like communism, but it would really help the 21% of the nation's children living in poverty.

=[

Ugh...Our country is screwed.

Where's the Obama link for wiretapping

xMOBSTER23x

Here you go.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="cavsfan2320"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="mfacek"]

Name one liberty Obama will take from you.

cavsfan2320

Obama supports wiretapping (privacy), abortion (life, although this doesn't concern me but unborned babies), and gun control (right to bear arms).

You missed alot. Namely states rights, which is explicitly guranteed in the constitution. Every single right possible that is not guranteed in the constitution to the federal government belongs to state government. This means public healthcare and education are unconstitutional.

When will you understand? Federal regulation is what has kept this country strong (New Deal). I hate you "libertarians", flouting states rights when federal action would be more appropriate.

Sorry, but the constitution says otherwise, and thats far more important than anything you have to say.

Ignorant Fool. Do you know why the Constitution was created, you history major, you? TO ACHIEVE A STRONGER CENTRAL GOVERNMENT. Like the guy above me said, if it were up to youRepubs, we'd still be under the Articles of Confederation (something that was run exclusively by states with no federal government involvement, and which failed miserably). Go read a history textbook before you start running your mouth.

First of all, I am not a Republican. And most Republicans don't think like me. Most Republicans are Neo-Cons who love Big Brother and the Patriot Act as well as slaughtering innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also, allowing the states to have power is part of the checks and balances system....you know what that is right? Probably not.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hodges_3_5"]everyone prepare for the communist gov't taking over! YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! :|
Lord__Darkstorn

At least Ron Paul had the balls during the republican convention to say that terrorist and rogue cells mainly hate us for our forieng policy.. And not the propaganda "for our freedoms"...

Please don't bring the Libertarian nutjobs into this. This is supposed to be a celebration! Obama/Biden 08!

Libertarian nutjiobs? Lol...congrats comrade.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hodges_3_5"]everyone prepare for the communist gov't taking over! YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! :|
Lord__Darkstorn

At least Ron Paul had the balls during the republican convention to say that terrorist and rogue cells mainly hate us for our forieng policy.. And not the propaganda "for our freedoms"...

Please don't bring the Libertarian nutjobs into this. This is supposed to be a celebration! Obama/Biden 08!

good one! ........no

Communism isn't all that bad.

Especially for the people who can't afford to feed their children :)

You know our country has never been so close to a communist country than it is today.

No more starving homeless!!!!!! I can't say I like communism, but it would really help the 21% of the nation's children living in poverty.

=[

Ugh...Our country is screwed.

Zorn_Ate_Thorn

But I think McCain will screw it up less. Maybe the Reps can take back Congress if Obama wins... it'll create some equilibrium.

Let's all agree its Sarah Palin's fault.

also that and Biden owns.

Communism isn't all that bad.Zorn_Ate_Thorn

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

Let's all agree its Sarah Palin's fault.

also that and Biden owns.

gahzoo

I laughed hard when people Boo-ed her at that hockey game.

She's psycho.

[QUOTE="cool_baller"]If anybody can do it, McCain can.scfan3

I'd hope so...but with the way things are going now it's not going to happen. I won't be too thrilled if Obama wins, I know that much.....

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

Not really, there are alot of different froms of government that we see today as bad..

That being said, you guys are freaking stupid to think its a communistic country.. Obama's polices are far from anything close to some of the policies that were used in history.. Sedition act any one? It barred freedom of speech and jailed any one who said anything that did not support WW1.

[QUOTE="scfan3"]

[QUOTE="cool_baller"]If anybody can do it, McCain can.Jacobistheman

I'd hope so...but with the way things are going now it's not going to happen. I won't be too thrilled if Obama wins, I know that much.....

I'm skeptical on this whole....racist white people lying about supporting Obama thing, but who knows.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.sSubZerOo

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

Not really, there are alot of different froms of government that we see today as bad..

That being said, you guys are freaking stupid to think its a communistic country.. Obama's polices are far from anything close to some of the policies that were used in history.. Sedition act any one? It barred freedom of speech and jailed any one who said anything that did not support WW1.

The Patriot Act. That's all I have to say.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="scfan3"]

[QUOTE="cool_baller"]If anybody can do it, McCain can.-Austin-

I'd hope so...but with the way things are going now it's not going to happen. I won't be too thrilled if Obama wins, I know that much.....

I'm skeptical on this whole....racist white people lying about supporting Obama thing, but who knows.

When you see some old lady at the McCain's convention calling Obama a Arab.. I am quite sure race will be a issue.. Seeing as we have never had a black man as president ever..

Communism isn't all that bad.

Especially for the people who can't afford to feed their children :)

You know our country has never been so close to a communist country than it is today.

No more starving homeless!!!!!! I can't say I like communism, but it would really help the 21% of the nation's children living in poverty.

=[

Ugh...Our country is screwed.

Zorn_Ate_Thorn

Communism sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice it just doesn't work because it demands that people put the good of the country ahead of themselves, and that just goes against our nature.

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

YOU like the growing gap between the rich and the poor? That isn't the case, is it? How would you run a country? I'm curious.

< :) SRSLY>

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

Not really, there are alot of different froms of government that we see today as bad..

That being said, you guys are freaking stupid to think its a communistic country.. Obama's polices are far from anything close to some of the policies that were used in history.. Sedition act any one? It barred freedom of speech and jailed any one who said anything that did not support WW1.

The Patriot Act. That's all I have to say.

Patrioit act thought awful I agree, and wish it would be dismantled.. IS IN NO way as bad as the sedition act.. They convicted and jailed a guy that wrote a article saying taxation would be more efficent then liberty bonds.. Why? Because they accused his article of disuading people from buying the said bonds..

Because popular vote really decides who our next President is, oh wait -- that's right; it doesn't.Stevo_the_gamer

The popular vote in swing states, however, does.

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

Worse than a theocracy or monarchy?

Because popular vote really decides who our next President is, oh wait -- that's right; it doesn't.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.Zorn_Ate_Thorn

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

YOU like the growing gap between the rich and the poor? That isn't the case, is it? How would you run a country? I'm curious.

< :) SRSLY>

google: Libertarian

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Because popular vote really decides who our next President is, oh wait -- that's right; it doesn't.supercubedude64

The popular vote in swing states, however, does.

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

YOU like the growing gap between the rich and the poor? That isn't the case, is it? How would you run a country? I'm curious.

< :) SRSLY>

google: Libertarian

touché

I salute you.

Come on guys really? Polls never indicate anything. It's one thing to vote when it doesn't count, and it's another when it does.

I don't particularly like either candidate, but if Obama is elected, prepare for a socialist capital hill. And let me tell you, socialism DOESN'T WORK. It didn't work for the Russians, and it won't work here. In America, you get what you pay for, and you can only count on what you earn.

Change for change's sake is never a good thing.

That said, McCain isn't my favorite, but in this case it's the lesser of two evils.

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

YOU like the growing gap between the rich and the poor? That isn't the case, is it? How would you run a country? I'm curious.

< :) SRSLY>

google: Libertarian

Libertarians want to let Wall Street take over the country by limiting government regulation. Look what Reaganomics got us: a critical number of mortgage failures and a falling economy. Registered Libertarians are also the most well-to-do people in the U.S. on average. They're crazy.

I don't think this is news to celebrate.limpbizkit818

I concur. I don't wanna be taxed through the roof. :|

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

Communism isn't all that bad.-Austin-

Actually it's probably the worst form of government imaginable.

:lol:

I've corrected you on this before.

Communism isn't a form of government, it's an economic system.

Come on guys really? Polls never indicate anything. It's one thing to vote when it doesn't count, and it's another when it does.

I don't particularly like either candidate, but if Obama is elected, prepare for a socialist capital hill. And let me tell you, socialism DOESN'T WORK. It didn't work for the Russians, and it won't work here. In America, you get what you pay for, and you can only count on what you earn.

Change for change's sake is never a good thing.

That said, McCain isn't my favorite, but in this case it's the lesser of two evils.

Strider212

Amen. This post is pretty much exactly how I think.