Muhammed, a question of Censorship?

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[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Then your humour is just sickening. Lets see how you like it when someone draws someone like your mum or dad when they pass away and makes mockery of it.

Disturbed123

I hate my mother and father, so what next?

Then clearly you are the problem then.

Problem?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

and that justifies it as being right? yeah didnt think so.

Disturbed123

and please stop trying to dictate your twisted view of morality to people.

Wow, how pathetic :| and i can feel free to spread my views if i want to, you know, the whole "freedom of speech" crap. What passes by as "ok" to you lot is just a bloody joke. No offense, but i guess that USA for you.

and I don't live in the states...

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] If they are a public figure they are free game...

d4nny-

Yes. Well not recently, but Dave Chappelle is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzPxRqoXeXQ

You don't draw a line about anything you wouldn't joke about in front of somebody? Maybe rape victims? Torture victims? All fair game to joke about, even to their faces? So why not non-public figures too? I'm just saying it's a pretty silly rule.

You're free to make jokes about whatever you like - I wouldn't want it any other way - and people are free to think of you what they like as a result. Drawing a picture of Mohammed isn't any funnier, in itself, than me mouthing off about your gran. South Park hasn't been funny for a long time and half-assed shock tactics just don't cut it as funny for me.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Yes its perfectly acceptable to draw a picture of someone who died and use them in a comical nature... :|

and please stop trying to dictate your twisted view of morality to people.

htekemerald

Wow, how pathetic :| and i can feel free to spread my views if i want to, you know, the whole "freedom of speech" crap. What passes by as "ok" to you lot is just a bloody joke. No offense, but i guess that USA for you.

and I don't live in the states...

What passes by the norm these days IS pathetic however. In all honesty, i wouldnt even be suprised if racism started all over again because people seem to use and abuse this whole "freedom of speech".

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] If they are a public figure they are free game...

htekemerald

Whats it that they say, If you can't come up with an argument you play semantics?

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Yes its perfectly acceptable to draw a picture of someone who died and use them in a comical nature... :|

and please stop trying to dictate your twisted view of morality to people.

htekemerald

Wow, how pathetic :| and i can feel free to spread my views if i want to, you know, the whole "freedom of speech" crap. What passes by as "ok" to you lot is just a bloody joke. No offense, but i guess that USA for you.

and I don't live in the states...

I think Mohammad is fair game, especially since he is just as much a political figure as he is a religious one. Moreover, I have yet to see a passage in Islamic scripture that forbids non-Muslims from drawing pictures of Mohammad and/or forbids Muslims from seeing a visual depiction of Mohammad. And even if there were such a passage, I do not live in a Caliphate - why should I have to follow the rules of a religion that I am not a member of? I'm not saying that it's okay to hurl insults at Muslims, and that people should take pleasure in offending Muslims, but I don't like being told what I can and cannot do by institutions that I am in no way affiliated with nor connected to. -Sun_Tzu-

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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Odd rule. Any recent kidnap victims you'd like to have a laugh at?jimmyjammer69

Whats it that they say, If you can't come up with an argument you play semantics?

"a public figure, either a public official or any other person pervasively involved in public affairs"

"a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved." A "particularized determination" is required to decide whether a person is a limited purpose public figure, which can be variously interpreted."

[QUOTE="d4nny-"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Odd rule. Any recent kidnap victims you'd like to have a laugh at?jimmyjammer69

Yes. Well not recently, but Dave Chappelle is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzPxRqoXeXQ

You don't draw a line about anything you wouldn't joke about in front of somebody? Maybe rape victims? Torture victims? All fair game to joke about, even to their faces? So why not non-public figures too? I'm just saying it's a pretty silly rule.

You're free to make jokes about whatever you like - I wouldn't want it any other way - and people are free to think of you what they like as a result. Drawing a picture of Mohammed isn't any funnier, in itself, than me mouthing off about your gran. South Park hasn't been funny for a long time and half-assed shock tactics just don't cut it as funny for me.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] You seem to have a fundamental problem with your logic: We are not Muslim, thus we CAN draw muhammed. Try standing up for free speech once and awhile ;) Not all beliefs deserve respect. If these people were fanatical about the earth being flat, would you defend it? If so, thats irrational. Religion absolutely never deserves respect.Atheists_Pwn

You have a lot of gall to claim that religious people (all six billion of them) don't care about logic, that religious beliefs are not legitimate (who the hell are you to make such a distinction and by what ass-backwards criteria?) and that a passionate religious person is a bad thing (take a look at Turkey, one of the most Muslim-populated countries in the world, and tell me that). :roll:

Your attitude is what lead to the Crusades, the Holocaust and every other manmade atrocity in history. Humans are fundamentally deserving of respect; to say that a person doesn't deserve respect inevitably leads to dehumanizing them.

As for logic, you haven't used a damn ounce of it in this entire thread, so enough with the "we must cure religious belief with education" bullcrap. I know religious people with more education than you'll ever have and I'm sick of you insulting them and myself with your constant insults.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I think Mohammad is fair game, especially since he is just as much a political figure as he is a religious one. Moreover, I have yet to see a passage in Islamic scripture that forbids non-Muslims from drawing pictures of Mohammad and/or forbids Muslims from seeing a visual depiction of Mohammad. And even if there were such a passage, I do not live in a Caliphate - why should I have to follow the rules of a religion that I am not a member of? I'm not saying that it's okay to hurl insults at Muslims, and that people should take pleasure in offending Muslims, but I don't like being told what I can and cannot do by institutions that I am in no way affiliated with nor connected to. conistant

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] You seem to have a fundamental problem with your logic: We are not Muslim, thus we CAN draw muhammed. Try standing up for free speech once and awhile ;) Not all beliefs deserve respect. If these people were fanatical about the earth being flat, would you defend it? If so, thats irrational. Religion absolutely never deserves respect.Atheists_Pwn

Religion is a way of life, it borderlines people within morality and justification, and seeing from some of the posts on this board, something that alot of people clearly lack and makes me proud to be of a religion. Theres nothing cowardice about respecting someones view on religion and role models. Under that analogy, it will be cowardice not to call a black man the N word. You dont say that for respectful purposes, not because its "cowardice". People believe in religion passionately, so what? Maybe it gives them guidance to life, makes them live a healthy life, gives them a sense of direction. Clearly you subjecting Islam as some of the actions done by these extremists. If you actually did some research upon Islam, you will know that such people are doomed hell as its not right.

[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I think Mohammad is fair game, especially since he is just as much a political figure as he is a religious one. Moreover, I have yet to see a passage in Islamic scripture that forbids non-Muslims from drawing pictures of Mohammad and/or forbids Muslims from seeing a visual depiction of Mohammad. And even if there were such a passage, I do not live in a Caliphate - why should I have to follow the rules of a religion that I am not a member of? I'm not saying that it's okay to hurl insults at Muslims, and that people should take pleasure in offending Muslims, but I don't like being told what I can and cannot do by institutions that I am in no way affiliated with nor connected to. -Sun_Tzu-

They are not idolizing, its an inspirational role model. Yes, people do get very offended and think violence will solve all their problems, but it aint. Drawing a picture is one thing, mimicking is a whole new story.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"] No problem with my logic, Muslims do not want anyone drawing Muhammed, not just Muslims. Again, it's just a respect factor for our fellow man, not their beliefs. I always stand up for free speech, but think you should be held accountable for speech that's offensive (say the KKK). I'm an Atheist and believe that a Religion that anyone believes passionately about deserves respect, IMO it's called being decent. Theokhoth

You have a lot of gall to claim that religious people (all six billion of them) don't care about logic, that religious beliefs are not legitimate (who the hell are you to make such a distinction and by what ass-backwards criteria?) and that a passionate religious person is a bad thing (take a look at Turkey, one of the most Muslim-populated countries in the world, and tell me that). :roll:

Your attitude is what lead to the Crusades, the Holocaust and every other manmade atrocity in history. Humans are fundamentally deserving of respect; to say that a person doesn't deserve respect inevitably leads to dehumanizing them.

As for logic, you haven't used a damn ounce of it in this entire thread, so enough with the "we must cure religious belief with education" bullcrap. I know religious people with more education than you'll ever have and I'm sick of you insulting them and myself with your constant insults.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="conistant"] There is a passage.Why do you think Islam is opposed to idol worship?I did some research and found out that the reason Muhammad forbade his followers from making his paintings and sculptures is because he was afraid that after his death people might start worshipping him as a God just as they did with Jesus.Disturbed123

They are not idolizing, its an inspirational role model. Yes, people do get very offended and think violence will solve all their problems, but it aint. Drawing a picture is one thing, mimicking is a whole new story.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There is a passage in a hadith that forbids Muslims from visually depicting Mohammad, but nowhere can you find me a passage that says that no one, including non-muslims can draw a picture of Mohammad. And yes, I am aware of the rationale behind the practice of not visually depicting Mohammad, but why would any Muslim idolize a satirical depiction of the prophet? -Sun_Tzu-

They are not idolizing, its an inspirational role model. Yes, people do get very offended and think violence will solve all their problems, but it aint. Drawing a picture is one thing, mimicking is a whole new story.

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Its not a respect factor to our fellow man because you actually validate Islam this way. You remove its criticisms, especially from an Artistic viewpoint. How about I start a religion that says "nobody can ever criticize me, and I just ask everyone to at least follow that rule" Its nonsense, everyone SHOULD be drawing mohammed out of principle. What youre describing is not maturity, but cowardice. Theres simply no way around it. How does religion deserve respect if people passionately believe in? Thats crazy talk... People passionately believe in lots of things. What matters is if the belief is legitimate, and religious belief is not a legitimate position to defend because they dont care about logic. Thats the ESSENCE of faith. Passionate religious belief is what causes violent extremists. Were lucky in the West, that the Christians really arent passionate, and its more like a social club. Otherwise, it might look like the middle east.Atheists_Pwn

You have a lot of gall to claim that religious people (all six billion of them) don't care about logic, that religious beliefs are not legitimate (who the hell are you to make such a distinction and by what ass-backwards criteria?) and that a passionate religious person is a bad thing (take a look at Turkey, one of the most Muslim-populated countries in the world, and tell me that). :roll:

Your attitude is what lead to the Crusades, the Holocaust and every other manmade atrocity in history. Humans are fundamentally deserving of respect; to say that a person doesn't deserve respect inevitably leads to dehumanizing them.

As for logic, you haven't used a damn ounce of it in this entire thread, so enough with the "we must cure religious belief with education" bullcrap. I know religious people with more education than you'll ever have and I'm sick of you insulting them and myself with your constant insults.

So what? What makes that a bad thing? You think you don't have faith in something?

"Your attitude is what lead to the Crusades, the Holocaust and every other manmade atrocity in history" Not even slightly true, completely off base and a totally random assertion

"I don't have to respect anyone, behead me."

Yeah, this treatment of people totally doesn't lead to dehumanizing others.

"Humans are fundamentally deserving of respect; to say that a person doesn't deserve respect inevitably leads to dehumanizing them" Yes humans deserve respect, ideas dont.

Ideas come from people; people define themselves with their ideas.

Ideas are not people. The rest of your post is you arguing against beliefs I dont hold.

Every post you make says otherwise.

I am not interested in strawman argument tactics. When you say I havent used any logic, how would YOU know when YOU used strawman arguments and thought it was a good idea?

I'd like to know what these strawmen are. Poisoning the well and argument by popularity are both illogical fallacies that you've invoked repeatedly.

Yes, some educated people are religious.

MOST educated people are religious.

That does not mean education is not a tool to the eventual removal of religion.

:lol: If it weren't for religion, your idea of education wouldn't even exist.

As scientific understanding and acceptance grows, I think its easy to see how religion will decline. I am just hopeful people accept and understand science more in the future.

Not if it leads to attitudes like yours against human beings. We'd be better off in the Middle Ages.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] You know exactly what I meant by public figure.

Whats it that they say, If you can't come up with an argument you play semantics?

htekemerald

"a public figure, either a public official or any other person pervasively involved in public affairs"

"a limited purpose public figure, meaning those who have "thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved." A "particularized determination" is required to decide whether a person is a limited purpose public figure, which can be variously interpreted."

"name: a well-known or notable person; "they studied all the great names in the history of France"; "she is an important figure in modern music" "

Oh, and here's the middle part of that quote you deliberately omitted: "

A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of publicity, even though that person did not want or invite the public attention. For example, people accused of high profile crimes may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established.."

So tell me, what kind of public figure is Mohammed? a public official or a person pervasively involved in public affairs?

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Its not a respect factor to our fellow man because you actually validate Islam this way. You remove its criticisms, especially from an Artistic viewpoint. How about I start a religion that says "nobody can ever criticize me, and I just ask everyone to at least follow that rule" Its nonsense, everyone SHOULD be drawing mohammed out of principle. What youre describing is not maturity, but cowardice. Theres simply no way around it. How does religion deserve respect if people passionately believe in? Thats crazy talk... People passionately believe in lots of things. What matters is if the belief is legitimate, and religious belief is not a legitimate position to defend because they dont care about logic. Thats the ESSENCE of faith. Passionate religious belief is what causes violent extremists. Were lucky in the West, that the Christians really arent passionate, and its more like a social club. Otherwise, it might look like the middle east.Atheists_Pwn

Religion is a way of life, it borderlines people within morality and justification, and seeing from some of the posts on this board, something that alot of people clearly lack and makes me proud to be of a religion. Theres nothing cowardice about respecting someones view on religion and role models. Under that analogy, it will be cowardice not to call a black man the N word. You dont say that for respectful purposes, not because its "cowardice". People believe in religion passionately, so what? Maybe it gives them guidance to life, makes them live a healthy life, gives them a sense of direction. Clearly you subjecting Islam as some of the actions done by these extremists. If you actually did some research upon Islam, you will know that such people are doomed hell as its not right.

You don't even know what logic is. You're confusing logic with evidence when the TWO ARE SEPARATE.

I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. mattbbpl

I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. mattbbpl

I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Its not a respect factor to our fellow man because you actually validate Islam this way. You remove its criticisms, especially from an Artistic viewpoint. How about I start a religion that says "nobody can ever criticize me, and I just ask everyone to at least follow that rule" Its nonsense, everyone SHOULD be drawing mohammed out of principle. What youre describing is not maturity, but cowardice. Theres simply no way around it. How does religion deserve respect if people passionately believe in? Thats crazy talk... People passionately believe in lots of things. What matters is if the belief is legitimate, and religious belief is not a legitimate position to defend because they dont care about logic. Thats the ESSENCE of faith. Passionate religious belief is what causes violent extremists. Were lucky in the West, that the Christians really arent passionate, and its more like a social club. Otherwise, it might look like the middle east.Atheists_Pwn

Religion is a way of life, it borderlines people within morality and justification, and seeing from some of the posts on this board, something that alot of people clearly lack and makes me proud to be of a religion. Theres nothing cowardice about respecting someones view on religion and role models. Under that analogy, it will be cowardice not to call a black man the N word. You dont say that for respectful purposes, not because its "cowardice". People believe in religion passionately, so what? Maybe it gives them guidance to life, makes them live a healthy life, gives them a sense of direction. Clearly you subjecting Islam as some of the actions done by these extremists. If you actually did some research upon Islam, you will know that such people are doomed hell as its not right.

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. Atheists_Pwn

What were you saying earlier about strawmen? I don't recall anybody defending death threats for religious beliefs.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. Atheists_Pwn

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

Disturbed123

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Religion is a way of life, it borderlines people within morality and justification, and seeing from some of the posts on this board, something that alot of people clearly lack and makes me proud to be of a religion. Theres nothing cowardice about respecting someones view on religion and role models. Under that analogy, it will be cowardice not to call a black man the N word. You dont say that for respectful purposes, not because its "cowardice". People believe in religion passionately, so what? Maybe it gives them guidance to life, makes them live a healthy life, gives them a sense of direction. Clearly you subjecting Islam as some of the actions done by these extremists. If you actually did some research upon Islam, you will know that such people are doomed hell as its not right.

Theokhoth

You don't even know what logic is. You're confusing logic with evidence when the TWO ARE SEPARATE.

Indeed, I couldnt help but LOL at his post.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. Atheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

-Sun_Tzu-

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

Disturbed123

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But a prophet is still just a person.

Danm_999

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But a prophet is still just a person.

Danm_999

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

Ofcourse, and am sure they retaliated, but not in the way extremists have. Im not supporting that "threatining comedy central" and all that crap, If i was, i wouldnt be here :P You're talking about a minority of extremists compared to the population of Islam. Infact, all these bombings are crap are against Islam, its just these twisted extremists trying to justify whats right because they cant do it verbally.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

Disturbed123

Ofcourse, and am sure they retaliated, but not in the way extremists have. Im not supporting that "threatining comedy central" and all that crap, If i was, i wouldnt be here :P

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

yes, they have the same bodily function as us, but thats where it stops. What he has done for muslims is what distinguishes him. Every surah in the quran starts off with Allahs name and Prophets name and declaring hes the final messenger. This is why there is a very high level respect for him by muslims. Islam vividly mentions no drawings of Allah or Prophet, and thats fine. Its when people draw a person like Usama Bin laden and stick a bomb on his head and pass him by as a Prophet muhammad, now thats just an insult.

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Who's defending the "practice of death threats over a religious offence"? GazaAli

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] Do you think Buddhists weren't offended by portrayals of Buddha doing cocaine? Or Christians weren't offended by portrayals of Jesus looking at porn?Danm_999

Ofcourse, and am sure they retaliated, but not in the way extremists have. Im not supporting that "threatining comedy central" and all that crap, If i was, i wouldnt be here :P

The thing is I (as a muslim) was actually offended by alot of South Parks stuff, and hence why i quit watching it a long time ago.. Im not supporting that its only Muhammad they should cut out of their stupid jokes, but if people are taking offense from other religions, they should also stop insulting them too. I know i was a bit miffed off with the Jesus watching porn too. Ofcourse it seems the extremists did take it a little far hence making Comedy Central hesistant. At the end of the day, if you provoke someone, someone is going to retaliate.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. mattbbpl

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Do you think Buddhists weren't offended by portrayals of Buddha doing cocaine? Or Christians weren't offended by portrayals of Jesus looking at porn?mattbbpl

Christians and Muslims believe differently. Christians, for the most part, expect to be mocked; it's in the Bible, and Jesus Himself was mocked the worst ways possible (for his time, at the very least). Muslims have no such beliefs or expectations; they allow for a person to choose his own religion but that doesn't allow for pointless mockery.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Who's defending the "practice of death threats over a religious offence"? GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Perhaps I misread the intention of some posts, but there are people in this thread comparing this incident to drawing indecent pictures of one's dead relatives, an action for which they specified they'd take retliation for. There have been similar thoughts expressed in similar threads. mattbbpl

See, this what differentiate people. Not everyone can be calm and cool about a situation. Some get sparked up very quickly. Extremists being the main culprit. You dont see muslim mosques saying "lets boycott South Park".

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Religion is a way of life, it borderlines people within morality and justification, and seeing from some of the posts on this board, something that alot of people clearly lack and makes me proud to be of a religion. Theres nothing cowardice about respecting someones view on religion and role models. Under that analogy, it will be cowardice not to call a black man the N word. You dont say that for respectful purposes, not because its "cowardice". People believe in religion passionately, so what? Maybe it gives them guidance to life, makes them live a healthy life, gives them a sense of direction. Clearly you subjecting Islam as some of the actions done by these extremists. If you actually did some research upon Islam, you will know that such people are doomed hell as its not right.

Disturbed123

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.