Muhammed, a question of Censorship?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

Exactly. And as somebody's already said, there was no mention of all the hate mail and supposed death threats they must have received over that. The fact that this is getting so much publicity is proof of how anti-Islamic America seems to be as a whole.jimmyjammer69

Christians and Muslims believe differently. Christians, for the most part, expect to be mocked; it's in the Bible, and Jesus Himself was mocked the worst ways possible (for his time, at the very least). Muslims have no such beliefs or expectations; they allow for a person to choose his own religion but that doesn't allow for pointless mockery.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I can't believe people are defending the practice of death threats over a religious offence. If people killed someone every time that person committed something against their religion, we'd all be dead. Heaven help us if Christians start killing over using God's name in vain, Jews start threatening over the consumption of pork, and Hindus start beheading over the killing of cows. EMOEVOLUTION

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] Do you think Buddhists weren't offended by portrayals of Buddha doing cocaine? Or Christians weren't offended by portrayals of Jesus looking at porn?mattbbpl

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Exactly. If we actually did what some are advocating in this thread, we would be forced to be part of every religion, even if those religions contradict each other. Its just irrational. Ideas are supposed to be challenged, that includes religion.Atheists_Pwn

Who cares? I'm Catholic and I don't care when I see Jesus on South Park or what may have you. It just doesn't matter to me, why Muslims get offended is beyond me as well. WHO CARES! ITS AN IMAGE!

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Yes Im one of them. You would not have a problem of me drawing your dead father or your dead girlfriend for example?GazaAli

Oh please.

Your father is a person you know, who (if all goes well) you spend a significant portion of your life with, and you structure as one of your central role models. Your girlfriend is someone again, who you know, and spend enough time with and admire enough to cultivate a romantic connection with.

Mohammed, if you are a Muslim, is someone who you respect and admire, but in real terms, you recognise was just a man, and one who died almost 700 years ago. To pretend you can have the same emotional connection to Mohammed as your father is just silly, or speaks to a very poor relationship with ones father. Simply put, it's not the same to compare an abstract with a close personal relationship.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Religion has no real morality. Morality must be reasoned, not dictated, otherwise it has no true foundation and the people will be left with nothing. Religion is a DESTRUCTIVE and counter productive way of life. No it isnt cowardice to not call a black man the n word. You know why? because theres LOGICAL REASONS TO NOT BE RACIST. THERES ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON TO BE RELIGIOUS. Thats why you have FAITH. Instead of having religion force a direction and purpose onto you, maybe you can use your brain and figure out a real reason. Respecting beliefs and not confronting them leads to misinformation and it should not be tolerated.

Atheists_Pwn

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

The fact that you have books to read is based in the Protestant Reformation.

The fact that you know who Plato is is because Catholic officials translated his works and incorporated his philosophy during the Renaissance.

Muslim extremists make up seven percent of the Muslim population.

Science exists as a field of study because it began as a form of natural theology.

Modern medicine would not exist were it not for religion.

Your very concept of reason exists solely because of religion.

Reason is not rejected by religion. Every single religious text has references to the use of reason. Jews touch their hands to their hearts, mouths and foreheads when they pray as a symbol for the expression of God's love in their hearts, words and minds.

You're welcome.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Yes Im one of them. You would not have a problem of me drawing your dead father or your dead girlfriend for example?Disturbed123

See, this what differentiate people. Not everyone can be calm and cool about a situation. Some get sparked up very quickly. Extremists being the main culprit. You dont see muslim mosques saying "lets boycott South Park".

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Religion has no real morality. Morality must be reasoned, not dictated, otherwise it has no true foundation and the people will be left with nothing. Religion is a DESTRUCTIVE and counter productive way of life. No it isnt cowardice to not call a black man the n word. You know why? because theres LOGICAL REASONS TO NOT BE RACIST. THERES ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON TO BE RELIGIOUS. Thats why you have FAITH. Instead of having religion force a direction and purpose onto you, maybe you can use your brain and figure out a real reason. Respecting beliefs and not confronting them leads to misinformation and it should not be tolerated.

Atheists_Pwn

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] The analogy between the Prophet Mohammed and a dead loved one is dreadfully faulty though.Danm_999

Oh please.

Your father is a person you know, who (if all goes well) you spend a significant portion of your life with, and you structure as one of your central role models. Your girlfriend is someone again, who you know, and spend enough time with and admire enough to cultivate a romantic connection with.

Mohammed, if you are a Muslim, is someone who you respect and admire, but in real terms, you recognise was just a man, and one who died almost 700 years ago. To pretend you can have the same emotional connection to Mohammed as your father is just silly, or speaks to a very poor relationship with ones father. Simply put, it's not the same to compare an abstract with a close personal relationship.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Exactly. If we actually did what some are advocating in this thread, we would be forced to be part of every religion, even if those religions contradict each other. Its just irrational. Ideas are supposed to be challenged, that includes religion.Atheists_Pwn

Yet you don't know what logic is. You still mistake logic for evidence. The two are different things.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

Theokhoth

The fact that you have books to read is based in the Protestant Reformation.

The fact that you know who Plato is is because Catholic officials translated his works and incorporated his philosophy during the Renaissance.

Muslim extremists make up seven percent of the Muslim population.

Science exists as a field of study because it began as a form of natural theology.

Modern medicine would not exist were it not for religion.

Your very concept of reason exists solely because of religion.

Reason is not rejected by religion. Every single religious text has references to the use of reason. Jews touch their hands to their hearts, mouths and foreheads when they pray as a symbol for the expression of God's love in their hearts, words and minds.

You're welcome.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] No its not. your father is a person you admire very much. your girlfriend is a significant other that you shared with a lot of special times. Mohammad is a prophet for which his message you believe in and you live and die for it. GazaAli

Oh please.

Your father is a person you know, who (if all goes well) you spend a significant portion of your life with, and you structure as one of your central role models. Your girlfriend is someone again, who you know, and spend enough time with and admire enough to cultivate a romantic connection with.

Mohammed, if you are a Muslim, is someone who you respect and admire, but in real terms, you recognise was just a man, and one who died almost 700 years ago. To pretend you can have the same emotional connection to Mohammed as your father is just silly, or speaks to a very poor relationship with ones father. Simply put, it's not the same to compare an abstract with a close personal relationship.

No, I can't question how much you respect and admire Mohammed. But when you, in your words, support an analogy comparing images of dead loved ones to images of Mohammed, we've obviously strayed beyond the realms of you. I question the idea you present that seeing Mohammed portrayed for most or many people is like seeing a dead relative. Most people would be more emotionally affected by the image of their dead father than their dead religious icon.

What has been done here is nothing more than reductive and sensational.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] Right now I'm struggling to see any difference between you and a religious fanatic. I guess the only difference is that you're fanatically support atheism.. compared to theism. Your name for example, your signature example 2, and finally the third example is everything you've said and how you've said it up until this point. You don't need to threaten somebodies life to be a fanatic.Theokhoth

Yet you don't know what logic is. You still mistake logic for evidence. The two are different things.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Religion has no real morality. Morality must be reasoned, not dictated, otherwise it has no true foundation and the people will be left with nothing. Religion is a DESTRUCTIVE and counter productive way of life. No it isnt cowardice to not call a black man the n word. You know why? because theres LOGICAL REASONS TO NOT BE RACIST. THERES ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON TO BE RELIGIOUS. Thats why you have FAITH. Instead of having religion force a direction and purpose onto you, maybe you can use your brain and figure out a real reason. Respecting beliefs and not confronting them leads to misinformation and it should not be tolerated.

Atheists_Pwn

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

Let me see....

1P: Person A kill a man

2P: Person A is religious

C: Therefore it's religion fault

1P: Person B kill a man

2P: Person B in not religious

C:Therfore it's the persons fault.

Can anyone seriously tell me what's wrong with this logic?

Edit: stupid smiles.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] The morality is based upon a god thats existence cannot be proven. it is irrational, and the reasons for the morality have absolutely no foundation. real morality comes from the absence of gods in a rational discourse. Religion is destructive. Look at 9/11, 7/7, Crusades and countless other atrocities that were done SPECIFICALLY in the name of their religion. Religion is counter productive because it denies logic. Being happy with your religious views isnt enough, because in order to have a sustained, better off society you need REASON. The very thing religious rejects. its easy to SAY you've used your brain ;)Atheists_Pwn

The fact that you have books to read is based in the Protestant Reformation.

The fact that you know who Plato is is because Catholic officials translated his works and incorporated his philosophy during the Renaissance.

Muslim extremists make up seven percent of the Muslim population.

Science exists as a field of study because it began as a form of natural theology.

Modern medicine would not exist were it not for religion.

Your very concept of reason exists solely because of religion.

Reason is not rejected by religion. Every single religious text has references to the use of reason. Jews touch their hands to their hearts, mouths and foreheads when they pray as a symbol for the expression of God's love in their hearts, words and minds.

You're welcome.

You're under the oh-so-false impression that reason is separate from religion, yet your concept of reason exists only because religion proposed and propagated it. :lol:

Evidence is not the equivalent to logic. You still don't seem to get this. As for "formal logic," I doubt you can do that, either.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

alexside1

Let me see....

1P:Person A kill a man

2P:Person A is religious

C:Therefore it's religion fault

1P:Person B kill a man

2P:Person B in not religious

C:Therfore it's the persons fault.

Can anyone seriously tell me what's wrong with this logic?

There's no logic about it.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

Oh please.

Your father is a person you know, who (if all goes well) you spend a significant portion of your life with, and you structure as one of your central role models. Your girlfriend is someone again, who you know, and spend enough time with and admire enough to cultivate a romantic connection with.

Mohammed, if you are a Muslim, is someone who you respect and admire, but in real terms, you recognise was just a man, and one who died almost 700 years ago. To pretend you can have the same emotional connection to Mohammed as your father is just silly, or speaks to a very poor relationship with ones father. Simply put, it's not the same to compare an abstract with a close personal relationship.

Danm_999

I see. what I really meant is that the important thing is how much you admire this person, no matter the circumstances.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] I demand that people be logical. If you cant differentiate that from religious fanaticism then youve got problems. I am not claiming to always be logical either, but if you can see you arent, then thats when you change. Logic is definitely important ;)Atheists_Pwn

Yet you don't know what logic is. You still mistake logic for evidence. The two are different things.

Yet you keep saying xyz religion is illogical because there is no evidence. By using evidence as a base for logic, you are claiming that the two are the same.

I haven't said a single thing that you haven't said yourself. Keep skirting the issue, though, that's the logical thing to do.:lol:

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

Disturbed123

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

Theokhoth hooa! :P I wish I can talk better English...

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yet you don't know what logic is. You still mistake logic for evidence. The two are different things.

Theokhoth

Yet you keep saying xyz religion is illogical because there is no evidence. By using evidence as a base for logic, you are claiming that the two are the same.

I haven't said a single thing that you haven't said yourself. Keep skirting the issue, though, that's the logical thing to do.:lol:

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] The morality is based upon a god thats existence cannot be proven. it is irrational, and the reasons for the morality have absolutely no foundation. real morality comes from the absence of gods in a rational discourse. Religion is destructive. Look at 9/11, 7/7, Crusades and countless other atrocities that were done SPECIFICALLY in the name of their religion. Religion is counter productive because it denies logic. Being happy with your religious views isnt enough, because in order to have a sustained, better off society you need REASON. The very thing religious rejects. its easy to SAY you've used your brain ;)Atheists_Pwn

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

Theokhoth hooa! :P I wish I can talk better English...

GazaAli

Considering the Koran actually has a ton of verses (I dont know if thats what you call them) that justify jihad and all sorts of violent acts (just like the bible) its not beyond the bounds of reason to say Islam is war like, and given Islams track record, you have evidence to suggest it. Atheists_Pwn

If you actually did research, you'd know that a Jihad has nothing to do with war. there are two types of Jihad: The Lesser Jihad and the Greater Jihad. The Lesser Jihad is defending yourself. The Greater Jihad is submitting yourself to God.

You don't know what logic, reason, or even evidence is. Indonesia and Turkey have more Muslims than Saudi Arabia, both countries do splendidly. The majority of Muslims in Afghanistan are non-practising. The Wahhabi Muslims (I bet you know what this is) make up about five percent of the Muslim population.

Lastly, Qu'Ran chapters are called Surahs.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]

Theokhoth hooa! :P I wish I can talk better English...

mattbbpl

Considering the Koran actually has a ton of verses (I dont know if thats what you call them) that justify jihad and all sorts of violent acts (just like the bible) its not beyond the bounds of reason to say Islam is war like, and given Islams track record, you have evidence to suggest it. Ive already explained how religion denies logic, you wont address it. You think bringing up the fact that PRIMITIVE science was considered okay by religion is proof of your claim? Thats honestly laughableAtheists_Pwn

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] I didnt say logic and evidence are the same thing. but you can use evidence to make logical conclusions try arguing with me on my own beliefs instead of basless assumptionsAtheists_Pwn

Yet you keep saying xyz religion is illogical because there is no evidence. By using evidence as a base for logic, you are claiming that the two are the same.

I haven't said a single thing that you haven't said yourself. Keep skirting the issue, though, that's the logical thing to do.:lol:

You can't use pure reason to prove anything, except to yourself. ;)

Not without logic leaps.

Nope.

In some cases, the logic you use can be tested, and the evidence can lead to a conclusion ;)

But not all. ;)

"I haven't said a single thing that you haven't said yourself" not true, but I doubt you can, or want to be able to tell the difference at this point.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] The morality is based upon a god thats existence cannot be proven. it is irrational, and the reasons for the morality have absolutely no foundation. real morality comes from the absence of gods in a rational discourse. Religion is destructive. Look at 9/11, 7/7, Crusades and countless other atrocities that were done SPECIFICALLY in the name of their religion. Religion is counter productive because it denies logic. Being happy with your religious views isnt enough, because in order to have a sustained, better off society you need REASON. The very thing religious rejects. its easy to SAY you've used your brain ;)Atheists_Pwn

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

Quran does have saying about Jihad. Do you even know what Jihad relates too? an ACTUAL war i.e. battle field. Not suprise attacks with aeroplanes just because i have daddy issues with USA. Misinterpretation FTL. If Islam was war like, then why is the most holy city to muslims (saudi arabia) not in war fighting all you people? Why isnt muslims in UK, USA, NZ, Africa, killing and bombing everyone? Again, you gone for the subjective approach which shows your lack of knowledge BIG TIME. If its subjection and track record you worried about, then we can distinguish as every black man as gangsta, every white person as chav, every person who wears black as emo, every person with a beard a terrorist. It doesnt work.

Also, you clearly dont know squat about early medieval muslim scientists.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCzzSzOIoAJust maybe you crawl out of your little hole and might learn something.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="btaylor2404"]I don't think it's ok. Islam strictly forbids images of the Prophet. It's one of their core beliefs/teachings. It's not an insane belief, or asking every human in the world to do something outlandish for Islam, just don't use his image. If the same were the case in Christianity all hell would have broken loose over here, and i venture to bet it would have never aired. Some things should be respected, even if you don't believe in it at all.btaylor2404

Offending billions of people for the hell of it is not what I classify as an ever-progressive world. How bout this: We don't act like assclowns to people for the luls, and in return we don't freak out over the smallest detail when all one wants to do is inquire. There, everyone's happy, society progresses.Theokhoth

As a Muslim, I think that's the best response anyone can make.

Surah 2:8-14: Then there are those who say, "We believe in GOD and the Last Day," while they are not believers. In trying to deceive GOD and those who believe, they only deceive themselves without perceiving. In their minds there is a disease. Consequently, GOD augments their disease. They have incurred a painful retribution for their lying. When they are told, "Do not commit evil," they say, "But we are righteous." In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive. When they are told, "Believe like the people who believed," they say, "Shall we believe like the fools who believed?" In fact, it is they who are fools, but they do not know. When they meet the believers, they say, "We believe," but when alone with their devils, they say, "We are with you; we were only mocking."

Surah 109:1-6: Say, "O you disbelievers. "I do not worship what you worship. "Nor do you worship what I worship. "Nor will I ever worship what you worship. "Nor will you ever worship what I worship. "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

Surah 4:29: O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.

Surah 3:113-115: They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture (Christians and Jews), there are those who are righteous. They recite GOD's revelations through the night, and they fall prostrate. They believe in GOD and the Last Day, they advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and they hasten to do righteous works. These are the righteous.Any good they do will not go unrewarded. GOD is fully aware of the righteous.

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

Disturbed123

Learn to spell. Its Quran. 2ndly, Quran does have saying about Jihad. Do you even know what Jihad relates too? an ACTUAL war i.e. battle field. Not suprise attacks with aeroplanes just because i have daddy issues with USA. Misinterpretation FTL. If Islam was war like, then why is the most holy city to muslims (saudi arabia) not in war fighting all you people? Why isnt muslims in UK, USA, NZ, Africa, killing and bombing everyone? Again, you gone for the subjective approach which shows your lack of knowledge BIG TIME. If its track record you worried about, then we can distinguish as every black man as gangsta, every white person as chav, every person who wears black as emo, every person with a beard a terrorist. It doesnt work.

Also, you clearly dont know squat about early medieval muslim scientists.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCzzSzOIoAJust maybe you crawl out of your little hole and might learn something.

Theokhoth hooa! :P I wish I can talk better English...

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

Disturbed123

Learn to spell. Its Quran. 2ndly, Quran does have saying about Jihad. Do you even know what Jihad relates too? an ACTUAL war i.e. battle field. Not suprise attacks with aeroplanes just because i have daddy issues with USA. Misinterpretation FTL. If Islam was war like, then why is the most holy city to muslims (saudi arabia) not in war fighting all you people? Why isnt muslims in UK, USA, NZ, Africa, killing and bombing everyone? Again, you gone for the subjective approach which shows your lack of knowledge BIG TIME. If its track record you worried about, then we can distinguish as every black man as gangsta, every white person as chav, every person who wears black as emo, every person with a beard a terrorist. It doesnt work.

Also, you clearly dont know squat about early medieval muslim scientists.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCzzSzOIoAJust maybe you crawl out of your little hole and might learn something.

:|

Koran is an accepted Anglicized spelling of Qur'an. While Muslims would certainly prefer the Arabic spelling, either or can be accepted in English debate. So I don't see why you had to jump the guy for spelling it Koran when that's the spelling that is accepted in English.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Considering the Koran actually has a ton of verses (I dont know if thats what you call them) that justify jihad and all sorts of violent acts (just like the bible) its not beyond the bounds of reason to say Islam is war like, and given Islams track record, you have evidence to suggest it. Ive already explained how religion denies logic, you wont address it. You think bringing up the fact that PRIMITIVE science was considered okay by religion is proof of your claim? Thats honestly laughablejalexbrown

Learn to spell. Its Quran. 2ndly, Quran does have saying about Jihad. Do you even know what Jihad relates too? an ACTUAL war i.e. battle field. Not suprise attacks with aeroplanes just because i have daddy issues with USA. Misinterpretation FTL. If Islam was war like, then why is the most holy city to muslims (saudi arabia) not in war fighting all you people? Why isnt muslims in UK, USA, NZ, Africa, killing and bombing everyone? Again, you gone for the subjective approach which shows your lack of knowledge BIG TIME. If its track record you worried about, then we can distinguish as every black man as gangsta, every white person as chav, every person who wears black as emo, every person with a beard a terrorist. It doesnt work.

Also, you clearly dont know squat about early medieval muslim scientists.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCzzSzOIoAJust maybe you crawl out of your little hole and might learn something.

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Koran is an accepted Anglicized spelling of Qur'an. While Muslims would certainly prefer the Arabic spelling, either or can be accepted in English debate. So I don't see why you had to jump the guy for spelling it Koran when that's the spelling that is accepted in English.

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Learn to spell. Its Quran. 2ndly, Quran does have saying about Jihad. Do you even know what Jihad relates too? an ACTUAL war i.e. battle field. Not suprise attacks with aeroplanes just because i have daddy issues with USA. Misinterpretation FTL. If Islam was war like, then why is the most holy city to muslims (saudi arabia) not in war fighting all you people? Why isnt muslims in UK, USA, NZ, Africa, killing and bombing everyone? Again, you gone for the subjective approach which shows your lack of knowledge BIG TIME. If its track record you worried about, then we can distinguish as every black man as gangsta, every white person as chav, every person who wears black as emo, every person with a beard a terrorist. It doesnt work.

Also, you clearly dont know squat about early medieval muslim scientists.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCzzSzOIoAJust maybe you crawl out of your little hole and might learn something.

Disturbed123

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Koran is an accepted Anglicized spelling of Qur'an. While Muslims would certainly prefer the Arabic spelling, either or can be accepted in English debate. So I don't see why you had to jump the guy for spelling it Koran when that's the spelling that is accepted in English.

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Aside from that grammatical slip-up right there, you seem to be doing fine to me. I actually thought you were fluent.mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Offending billions of people for the hell of it is not what I classify as an ever-progressive world. How bout this: We don't act like assclowns to people for the luls, and in return we don't freak out over the smallest detail when all one wants to do is inquire. There, everyone's happy, society progresses.Tigerman950

As a Muslim, I think that's the best response anyone can make.

Also all that talk of burning in a lake of fire and the like is also extremely offensive, can we have that edited out of religious texts?

That picture is the most offensive thing i have ever seen. I hope they ban that picture and his name so i may never see or hear of that idiot for the rest of my life.

Videodogg

now thats offensive :|

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That picture is the most offensive thing i have ever seen. I hope they ban that picture and his name so i may never see or hear of that idiot for the rest of my life.

BlindBluMonstah

now thats offensive :|

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That picture is the most offensive thing i have ever seen. I hope they ban that picture and his name so i may never see or hear of that idiot for the rest of my life.

BlindBluMonstah

now thats offensive :|

But South Park did make one valid point: what constitutes a drawing of Muhammad? If I draw a stick figure and call it Muhammad, then what? Muhammad has differed drastically in appearance from one drawing to the next, so is it the drawing that is offense or the claim that it's Muhammad? Either way there is a certain amount of absurdity. If we say it's the drawing itself, we must conclude that the drawing would be offensive even if we said it wasn't of Muhammad; if we assume it's the claim that it's Muhammad, then we're back to what happens if I draw a stick figure and claim to be Muhammad.jalexbrown

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