Muhammed, a question of Censorship?

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#201 ghoklebutter
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But South Park did make one valid point: what constitutes a drawing of Muhammad?jalexbrown
Any depiction of Muhammad is forbidden. Even if you draw e.g. a teacup and say that it's Muhammad, it's considered offensive. The reason behind this is that depicting Muhammad in a drawing is a form of idolatry, and that Muhammad should be revered for his character, not his physical appearance.

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#202 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]But South Park did make one valid point: what constitutes a drawing of Muhammad?ghoklebutter

Any depiction of Muhammad is forbidden. Even if you draw e.g. a teacup and say that it's Muhammad, it's considered offensive. The reason behind this is that depicting Muhammad in a drawing is a form of idolatry, and that Muhammad should be revered for his character, not his physical appearance.

That's totally illogical. I can draw a stick figure and call it Muhammad, Jesus, or Elvis and it's all the same. I could see what you were saying it it was within reason, but at that extreme it clearly isn't anymore.
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#203 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]But South Park did make one valid point: what constitutes a drawing of Muhammad?jalexbrown

Any depiction of Muhammad is forbidden. Even if you draw e.g. a teacup and say that it's Muhammad, it's considered offensive. The reason behind this is that depicting Muhammad in a drawing is a form of idolatry, and that Muhammad should be revered for his character, not his physical appearance.

That's totally illogical. I can draw a stick figure and call it Muhammad, Jesus, or Elvis and it's all the same. I could see what you were saying it it was within reason, but at that extreme it clearly isn't anymore.

Keep in mind that this prohibition only concerns Muslims. Non-Muslims don't have to respect it.
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#204 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Any depiction of Muhammad is forbidden. Even if you draw e.g. a teacup and say that it's Muhammad, it's considered offensive. The reason behind this is that depicting Muhammad in a drawing is a form of idolatry, and that Muhammad should be revered for his character, not his physical appearance.

ghoklebutter

That's totally illogical. I can draw a stick figure and call it Muhammad, Jesus, or Elvis and it's all the same. I could see what you were saying it it was within reason, but at that extreme it clearly isn't anymore.

Keep in mind that this prohibition only concerns Muslims. Non-Muslims don't have to respect it.

But they clearly expect others to respect it, or they wouldn't be sending death threats to people that might show Muhammad.

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#205 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] That's totally illogical. I can draw a stick figure and call it Muhammad, Jesus, or Elvis and it's all the same. I could see what you were saying it it was within reason, but at that extreme it clearly isn't anymore.jalexbrown

Keep in mind that this prohibition only concerns Muslims. Non-Muslims don't have to respect it.

But they clearly expect others to respect it, or they wouldn't be sending death threats to people that might show Muhammad.

Wasn't the South Park death threat a fake?

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#206 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Keep in mind that this prohibition only concerns Muslims. Non-Muslims don't have to respect it.Theokhoth

But they clearly expect others to respect it, or they wouldn't be sending death threats to people that might show Muhammad.

Wasn't the South Park death threat a fake?

I thought someone actually created a thread with a link to a site that claimed as much, but since nobody brought that up in subsequent threads, I thought I must have misunderstood something.
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#207 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Im not saying that. To people outside of Islam will feel Muhammad was just a normal person like anyone of us, but to muslims, he was alot more than just a person. He was a Prophet, and could say his way of life is a fundemental concept to how we should be islamically, hence why people are very disheartened and offended.

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But a prophet is still just a person.

This is true, but in a volatile climate drawing Mohammed is usually just a way of taking potshots at an immigrant minority. Sure, you can do it - nobody's going to make that illegal - but why bother when it's not funny. If you remember, in the case of South Park, everyone's up in arms over the fact that the network CHOSE to censor the episode, just as some stores might choose to say "happy holidays" so as not to offend non-christians.

The network chose to censor the episode...but not Matt and Trey. That's why people are upset. The people who actually made the show had their work censored against their wishes.
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#208 Hexagon_777
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When I lived in Saudi Arabia, I abided by the laws of the country despite condoning major hypocrisies and a rather different culture. We should be able to expect the same of Muslims living in the West i.e. we should be able to continue our way of living without being threatened or confined.

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[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]I don't think it's ok. Islam strictly forbids images of the Prophet. It's one of their core beliefs/teachings. It's not an insane belief, or asking every human in the world to do something outlandish for Islam, just don't use his image. If the same were the case in Christianity all hell would have broken loose over here, and i venture to bet it would have never aired. Some things should be respected, even if you don't believe in it at all.htekemerald

I don't care what Islam forbids... It all comes with not being a muslim.

I'm not either, but try to respect others beliefs. Especially if there's no real reason for me to disrespect them, like say draw Muhammad.
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#210 guitarshr3dd3r
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

Err religion has ALOT of morality. Morality within religion HAS been reasoned in books and scriptures which reflected upon some of the best role models upon to this date. Religion is NOT destructive in any sense, and who are you to judge if its a counter productive way of life if people are HAPPY with their religious views? Your views are pointless as its their formal meaning of life. Religion has been hear for a VERY long time, and it aint going anywhere. Ive used my brain, im happy to be in a religion, you got a problem with it, then go cry me a river.

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The morality is based upon a god thats existence cannot be proven. it is irrational, and the reasons for the morality have absolutely no foundation. real morality comes from the absence of gods in a rational discourse. Religion is destructive. Look at 9/11, 7/7, Crusades and countless other atrocities that were done SPECIFICALLY in the name of their religion. Religion is counter productive because it denies logic. Being happy with your religious views isnt enough, because in order to have a sustained, better off society you need REASON. The very thing religious rejects. its easy to SAY you've used your brain ;)

Ah, the subjective approach. Gods existance can or cannot be proven, and just like you said, its based upon faith on religion. It can only be proven eschateologically but i will take my chances if I believe in a God. 9/11, Usama Bin Laden, Muslim by Name, not by Nature. FACT. Do your research. Subjecting muslims over a few incidents does not justify their actions. If you want REAL motivators that muslims look upto, then look at Malcom X, Nepoleon (Tupac), Sheikh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi. You think I, or any muslim take an inspiration to the bombing that has happened, even 9/11? Muslims died in 9/11 too you know. Wheres your brain at?

Religion does not deny logic. Did you know majority of science actually originated from religion and books? Do your research mate, you clearly living in a fairytail land.

You my friend, receive 5 internet cookies, but seriously, the media concentrates on the extremists who are muslim by name, not nature, but let's say a "Muslim" shot Obama, and then a true Muslim took a bullet for him, who do you think will be focused on? unfortunately the media would label "Extremist Muslim attempted to take OBama's life" and probably forget about the other guy..
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#211 guitarshr3dd3r
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Considering the Koran actually has a ton of verses (I dont know if thats what you call them) that justify jihad and all sorts of violent acts (just like the bible) its not beyond the bounds of reason to say Islam is war like, and given Islams track record, you have evidence to suggest it. Ive already explained how religion denies logic, you wont address it. You think bringing up the fact that PRIMITIVE science was considered okay by religion is proof of your claim? Thats honestly laughablealexside1

You made a claim without evidence, (or citations) and according to you it's irrational to believe in something without evidence, so I'm rational to deny your claims. (According to you anyway)

Again with the Quran promotes violence...Islam by definition is peace, and instead of falsely concentrating on supposed violent verses (I have yet to see proof) why not look at how the Quran mentions miracles and other scientifical facts, for example, how it mentions the stages of baby development (embryo and so on) when science couldn't prove this until much later, open your eyes..
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#212 bobaban
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]I don't think it's ok. Islam strictly forbids images of the Prophet. It's one of their core beliefs/teachings. It's not an insane belief, or asking every human in the world to do something outlandish for Islam, just don't use his image. If the same were the case in Christianity all hell would have broken loose over here, and i venture to bet it would have never aired. Some things should be respected, even if you don't believe in it at all.btaylor2404

I don't care what Islam forbids... It all comes with not being a muslim.

I'm not either, but try to respect others beliefs. Especially if there's no real reason for me to disrespect them, like say draw Muhammad.

Why does it matter? I mean he was already illustrated in a South Park episode as a superhero and nobody even said anything about it then.
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#213 MrGeezer
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The network chose to censor the episode...but not Matt and Trey. That's why people are upset. The people who actually made the show had their work censored against their wishes. -Sun_Tzu-

Boo-hoo.

When I create a topic here on Gamespot, it very well might get censored. Is that a horrible case of Gamespot infringing upon my right to free speech? Or does it merely mean that I should start posting elsewhere if I'm not willing to abide by the terms of use?

If Parker and Stone care that much about their free speech getting spoken without restrictions, then they are free to cease their relationship with Comedy Central. Nobody put a gun to their heads.

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#214 guitarshr3dd3r
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The network chose to censor the episode...but not Matt and Trey. That's why people are upset. The people who actually made the show had their work censored against their wishes. MrGeezer

Boo-hoo.

When I create a topic here on Gamespot, it very well might get censored. Is that a horrible case of Gamespot infringing upon my right to free speech? Or does it merely mean that I should start posting elsewhere if I'm not willing to abide by the terms of use?

If Parker and Stone care that much about their free speech getting spoken without restrictions, then they are free to cease their relationship with Comedy Central. Nobody put a gun to their heads.

Goodness, I love the point you made lol, I agree though, when we make a topic here (let's say it's within rules but it's a controversial topic) then it will get removed, therefore, making gamespot just like comedy central, I don't mind the topics being removed though, so don't attack me *shield on*
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#215 adv_tr00per
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That picture is the most offensive thing i have ever seen. I hope they ban that picture and his name so i may never see or hear of that idiot for the rest of my life.

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I'm Muslim and I loled at this. Seriously, I think EVERYBODY (Muslim or not) should stop giving a **** about stuff like this. Too bad that's never gonna happen.