Muslim Leaders Taken Off Plane

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Hooray discrimination!

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"] Let me ask you this: If you catch just a piece of a news story that a suicide bomber has just blown themselves up in a public place, killing a bunch of innocents, what is your first thought? That he was a buddhist? sSubZerOo

There's a greater chance of your plane crashing than of it being hijacked by terrorists. If you're that paranoid about terrorism, why are you flying in the first place?

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

I think you're confusing what the word 'terrorist' means.

Terrorism = the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

Terrorism != Islam.

sSubZerOo

I never said Terrorism=Islam.

We discriminate every day. When it is unwarranted, its bad. When it stems from logic, guided by experience, then maybe its not so bad.

.. Than we should be frightened of every one around us, common violence is far more likely than any terrorist attack.. The man sitting next to me has a statistically greater chance of murdering me than a Muslim murdering me for religious/extremists reasons.. Might as well not use the bathrooms either.. They are key points of places where sickness spreads.. Afterall we have quite a few people die each year by influenza. Way more in fact than terrorists.

What is your obsession with fear?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I feel bad for the innocent Islamic religious people... however, I can completely understand that people would be scared of them on the plane. On a plane, when a choice could be the difference between life and death, people aren't going to be politically correct.

sSubZerOo

Yet you have a statistically greater chance of getting killed in a car accident on your way to the airport than you ever do by a terrorist on a plane.. Furthermore don't you think the security people went through their protocols to begin with? Quite frankly you shouldn't be flying or going out side for that matter.. People are being completely illogical about this.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

There's a greater chance of your plane crashing than of it being hijacked by terrorists. If you're that paranoid about terrorism, why are you flying in the first place?

collegeboy64

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

I feel bad for the innocent Islamic religious people... however, I can completely understand that people would be scared of them on the plane. On a plane, when a choice could be the difference between life and death, people aren't going to be politically correct.

BMD004

Yet you have a statistically greater chance of getting killed in a car accident on your way to the airport than you ever do by a terrorist on a plane.. Furthermore don't you think the security people went through their protocols to begin with? Quite frankly you shouldn't be flying or going out side for that matter.. People are being completely illogical about this.

Well quite frankly they are idiots, and this kind of fearmongering should never be indulged.

· However, don't kid yourself... come back to reality. Today, 99% of terrorists that do violence are Islamic.

· Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

· We discriminate every day. When it is unwarranted, its bad. When it stems from logic, guided by experience, then maybe its not so bad.

These guys speak the truth.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

sSubZerOo

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Yet you have a statistically greater chance of getting killed in a car accident on your way to the airport than you ever do by a terrorist on a plane.. Furthermore don't you think the security people went through their protocols to begin with? Quite frankly you shouldn't be flying or going out side for that matter.. People are being completely illogical about this.

sSubZerOo

Well quite frankly they are idiots, and this kind of fearmongering should never be indulged.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

BMD004

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

I would argueing thats exactly what your being.. If you seriously think that your this paranoid with the people around you on a mode of transportation thats infinitely safer than any other mode including the one you did getting to the airport.. After going through extremely strict security protocols, stricter than they have ever been.. Yes I consider that irrational and should be frowned upon every instance.

This wont help our Status with Al Qeida. xD

This wont help our Status with Al Qeida. xD

WiiMan21

I doesn't matter what so ever to AQ.. These two leaders are enemies of AQ..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

There's a greater chance of your plane crashing than of it being hijacked by terrorists. If you're that paranoid about terrorism, why are you flying in the first place?

collegeboy64

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

There's a greater chance of your plane crashing than of it being hijacked by terrorists. If you're that paranoid about terrorism, why are you flying in the first place?

collegeboy64

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

The notion of fear is implicit in the discussion, since the exact reason the Muslims would be taken off the plane in the first place is due to fear.

And as I pointed out, the fear (/discrimination) might be reasonable if terrorist hijackings were even a small chance in the US. Suicide bombings also are not even a minor contributor to crime in the US, regardless of how common (or uncommon) they might be in other parts of the world. The fact is that the threat of plane hijacking or suicide bombing on a plane are so ridiculously low that to attempt to justify discrimination based off fear of them is absolutely laughable. As Sub pointed out, you'd be more rational to fear a random stranger on the street (who might mug or kill you) than you would to fear a Muslim on a plane.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

sSubZerOo

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

Focus on men concerning what?

As rape suspects? Hell yeah we would focus on men because statistically men commit the vast vast majority of rapes.

As shoplifting suspects? Not so much, unless there is some data I am unaware of that the vast majority of shoplifters are men.

Avoid all people because of influenza? How about avoiding the people with puffy red eyes, runny nose and a cough? You'll improve your odds greatly.

My point is not about what we should or should not fear. I'm trying to point out that discrimination, in and of itself, is neutral, neither bad nor good. It is the basis of discrimination that determines if it is proper or not.

To put forward the notion that being a muslim should not get you a couple extra points on your "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard defies all logic.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

sSubZerOo

I would argueing thats exactly what your being.. If you seriously think that your this paranoid with the people around you on a mode of transportation thats infinitely safer than any other mode including the one you did getting to the airport.. After going through extremely strict security protocols, stricter than they have ever been.. Yes I consider that irrational and should be frowned upon every instance.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

collegeboy64

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

Focus on men concerning what?

As rape suspects? Hell yeah we would focus on men because statistically men commit the vast vast majority of rapes.

As shoplifting suspects? Not so much, unless there is some data I am unaware of that the vast majority of shoplifters are men.

Avoid all people because of influenza? How about avoiding the people with puffy red eyes, runny nose and a cough? You'll improve your odds greatly.

My point is not about what we should or should not fear. I'm trying to point out that discrimination, in and of itself, is neutral, neither bad nor good. It is the basis of discrimination that determines if it is proper or not.

To put forward the notion that being a muslim should not get you a couple extra points on your "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard defies all logic.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

collegeboy64

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

Focus on men concerning what?

As rape suspects? Hell yeah we would focus on men because statistically men commit the vast vast majority of rapes.

Violence in general, men are involved with more violent acts than the other sex statisically by a quite large one..

As shoplifting suspects? Not so much, unless there is some data I am unaware of that the vast majority of shoplifters are men.

Avoid all people because of influenza? How about avoiding the people with puffy red eyes, runny nose and a cough? You'll improve your odds greatly.

Nope you can have influenza and not show signs of it for some time.. While still being contagious..

My point is not about what we should or should not fear. I'm trying to point out that discrimination, in and of itself, is neutral, neither bad nor good. It is the basis of discrimination that determines if it is proper or not.

Which is exactly my point, this discrimination is statistically unfounded.. And the people worrying about this drove there comfortably even though they had a infinitely greater chance of getting in a car crash ont he way to the airport.. So much so, that the other is negligent.. Lets say in the past 20 years, 4000 people have died in terrorist attack.. That yearly is so small that the most bizzare deaths outweigh it.

To put forward the notion that being a muslim should not get you a couple extra points on your "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard defies all logic.

Statistically it does, because the threat of violence is so low its negligent.. And if your that concerned with such a low statistic.. Well than why the hell are you frightened out of yoru midn when you step outside? Because statistically we have a greater chance of getting killed by some a family member, in a car crash or other such things than you ever do with a terrorist attack on yoru plane. But know your right, keep riding your logic, I am sure it iwll get youf ar.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Better yet why go outside because you may be struck by lightening, or drive a car? Both you have statistically greater chance of getting killed or hit than you ever do by a terrorist.

red12355

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

Yes, the targets of the terrorists need to be more reflective on what it is we might have done to incur their righteous wrath. :roll:

No thanks.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

We should also focus on men.. Afterall statistically we are prone to more violence then women.. We should focus on every one in general, afterall I have ag reat chance of getting murdered by a random person because of theft, gang violence or other such things.. We should also never go to teh bathroom in the planes or keep in contact with the people.. Afterall more people die from Influenza per year than any kind of terrorist attack ever on US soil. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.. If we look at statistics.. There are far more dangerous things out there to worry about than what your pointing out, which if we put on a yearly basis equates to less than any other danger by miles that I posted..

red12355

Focus on men concerning what?

As rape suspects? Hell yeah we would focus on men because statistically men commit the vast vast majority of rapes.

As shoplifting suspects? Not so much, unless there is some data I am unaware of that the vast majority of shoplifters are men.

Avoid all people because of influenza? How about avoiding the people with puffy red eyes, runny nose and a cough? You'll improve your odds greatly.

My point is not about what we should or should not fear. I'm trying to point out that discrimination, in and of itself, is neutral, neither bad nor good. It is the basis of discrimination that determines if it is proper or not.

To put forward the notion that being a muslim should not get you a couple extra points on your "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard defies all logic.

:lol: I know right? Hilarious isn't it? We have a greater chance of getting killed in a car crash, or murdered by a relative than we do of getting killed by a Islamic terrorist.. OR TERRORISM in general.. Yet people are freaking out..

[QUOTE="red12355"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Funny that you guys would bring up fear in light of a discussion about terrorism and muslims.

I never mentioned fear of anything. I am just pointing out that discrimination is not always a bad thing. Given that the vast vast majority of innocent-killing-suicidal-nutjob-terrorists claim to be followers of islam, its not unreasonable to give muslims a closer look, especially when it comes to flying in commercial jets.

collegeboy64

Yes, the targets of the terrorists need to be more reflective on what it is we might have done to incur their righteous wrath. :roll:

No thanks.

I'd argue that the pilot shouldn't be flying planes if he's going to have a problem with the people boarding his flight.

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="red12355"] This is the problem. Instead of figuring out WHY muslims tend to be more extremist today, people just continue on stereotyping them and adding to the hate. Did we have any problems with muslims 40-50 years ago? No. Ever ask yourself why?

red12355

Yes, the targets of the terrorists need to be more reflective on what it is we might have done to incur their righteous wrath. :roll:

No thanks.

Well, when one side of the argument/issue/debate starts from the premise "we want to kill you all", it sure makes finding a starting point for the discussion a bitackward.

"Gee mahmood, if we promise to throw our ally Israel aside and let you massacre them and push them in to the mediterranean, will you please stop trying to kill us? Pretty please?"

Nah. I'd rather pay taxes for bombs and bullets and see if we can just kill them all.

[QUOTE="red12355"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Focus on men concerning what?

As rape suspects? Hell yeah we would focus on men because statistically men commit the vast vast majority of rapes.

As shoplifting suspects? Not so much, unless there is some data I am unaware of that the vast majority of shoplifters are men.

Avoid all people because of influenza? How about avoiding the people with puffy red eyes, runny nose and a cough? You'll improve your odds greatly.

My point is not about what we should or should not fear. I'm trying to point out that discrimination, in and of itself, is neutral, neither bad nor good. It is the basis of discrimination that determines if it is proper or not.

To put forward the notion that being a muslim should not get you a couple extra points on your "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard defies all logic.

sSubZerOo

:lol: I know right? Hilarious isn't it? We have a greater chance of getting killed in a car crash, or murdered by a relative than we do of getting killed by a Islamic terrorist.. OR TERRORISM in general.. Yet people are freaking out..

Theres also a low chance of getting hit by lightning yet people are unconfortable running around in a lightning storm.

Low chance of getting killed by a shark yet people are afraid of swimming in open water.

Low chance of being killed by a spider bite yet people are terrified of them.

How is it stupid exactly to see a muslim man in his Islamic dress about to get on a plane and think "im uncomfortable with this." I bet you would have said the same thing if the men involved in 911 were told to get off the plane and they acted upset and innocent but they werent and they did do the damage. Uncommon but it happened. And about the system and checks I'd have to look it up again but I read some guy easily beat the security to test them and pretty much got everything he wanted past checks.

[QUOTE="red12355"]

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

Yes, the targets of the terrorists need to be more reflective on what it is we might have done to incur their righteous wrath. :roll:

No thanks.

collegeboy64

Well, when one side of the argument/issue/debate starts from the premise "we want to kill you all", it sure makes finding a starting point for the discussion a bitackward.

"Gee mahmood, if we promise to throw our ally Israel aside and let you massacre them and push them in to the mediterranean, will you please stop trying to kill us? Pretty please?"

Nah. I'd rather pay taxes for bombs and bullets and see if we can just kill them all.

Ohahahahahah, now that's just hilarious. :lol:

I honestly thought you had something more to it than that, but you really are just stereotyping and don't get it at all.

I'd argue that the pilot shouldn't be flying planes if he's going to have a problem with the people boarding his flight.

XileLord

I still want to know how he knew they were on board. Pilots were already boarded when I took all my flights and they don't come outside because they have to prepare to take off. Did this dude go around checking or something?

I think no opinions should be formed with only one side of the story......LJS9502_basic

No story should have a "side."

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="red12355"] So Muslims having a .01% higher chance of being a terrorist would justify the pilot removing two muslims from the plane? A couple points in the "Could-Be-A-Terrorist" scorecard should not matter when the scorecard has millions of points in total, for every religion.

Jolt_counter119

:lol: I know right? Hilarious isn't it? We have a greater chance of getting killed in a car crash, or murdered by a relative than we do of getting killed by a Islamic terrorist.. OR TERRORISM in general.. Yet people are freaking out..

Theres also a low chance of getting hit by lightning yet people are unconfortable running around in a lightning storm.

Low chance of getting killed by a shark yet people are afraid of swimming in open water.

Low chance of being killed by a spider bite yet people are terrified of them.

How is it stupid exactly to see a muslim man in his Islamic dress about to get on a plane and think "im uncomfortable with this." I bet you would have said the same thing if the men involved in 911 were told to get off the plane and they acted upset and innocent but they werent and they did do the damage. Uncommon but it happened. And about the system and checks I'd have to look it up again but I read some guy easily beat the security to test them and pretty much got everything he wanted past checks.

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:lol: I know right? Hilarious isn't it? We have a greater chance of getting killed in a car crash, or murdered by a relative than we do of getting killed by a Islamic terrorist.. OR TERRORISM in general.. Yet people are freaking out..

sSubZerOo

Theres also a low chance of getting hit by lightning yet people are unconfortable running around in a lightning storm.

Low chance of getting killed by a shark yet people are afraid of swimming in open water.

Low chance of being killed by a spider bite yet people are terrified of them.

How is it stupid exactly to see a muslim man in his Islamic dress about to get on a plane and think "im uncomfortable with this." I bet you would have said the same thing if the men involved in 911 were told to get off the plane and they acted upset and innocent but they werent and they did do the damage. Uncommon but it happened. And about the system and checks I'd have to look it up again but I read some guy easily beat the security to test them and pretty much got everything he wanted past checks.

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Theres also a low chance of getting hit by lightning yet people are unconfortable running around in a lightning storm.

Low chance of getting killed by a shark yet people are afraid of swimming in open water.

Low chance of being killed by a spider bite yet people are terrified of them.

How is it stupid exactly to see a muslim man in his Islamic dress about to get on a plane and think "im uncomfortable with this." I bet you would have said the same thing if the men involved in 911 were told to get off the plane and they acted upset and innocent but they werent and they did do the damage. Uncommon but it happened. And about the system and checks I'd have to look it up again but I read some guy easily beat the security to test them and pretty much got everything he wanted past checks.

Jolt_counter119

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

Extremist Muslims, please dont make it out like all the muslims are in on it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

Theres also a low chance of getting hit by lightning yet people are unconfortable running around in a lightning storm.

Low chance of getting killed by a shark yet people are afraid of swimming in open water.

Low chance of being killed by a spider bite yet people are terrified of them.

How is it stupid exactly to see a muslim man in his Islamic dress about to get on a plane and think "im uncomfortable with this." I bet you would have said the same thing if the men involved in 911 were told to get off the plane and they acted upset and innocent but they werent and they did do the damage. Uncommon but it happened. And about the system and checks I'd have to look it up again but I read some guy easily beat the security to test them and pretty much got everything he wanted past checks.

Jolt_counter119

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

Men in general kill millions around the world, should women of all sudden be fearful of men? Black violent crime is up high, should I suddenly feel fearful in not wanting to fly with them? It most certainly is stupid fear, its illogical fear.. Extremists kill a tops of 4000 people in 20 year span.. With those kidn of statistics you have a great chance of getting murdered by a person you know or are family to.. You have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident.. So I say again where is the hysteria for those things that are far more likely than this? And when I mean far more likely, I mean STAGGERINGLY more likely.

Extremist Muslims, please dont make it out like all the muslims are in on it.

Nibroc420

[QUOTE="XileLord"]

I'd argue that the pilot shouldn't be flying planes if he's going to have a problem with the people boarding his flight.

Espada12

I still want to know how he knew they were on board. Pilots were already boarded when I took all my flights and they don't come outside because they have to prepare to take off. Did this dude go around checking or something?

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

sSubZerOo

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

Men in general kill millions around the world, should women of all sudden be fearful of men? Black violent crime is up high, should I suddenly feel fearful in not wanting to fly with them? It most certainly is stupid fear, its illogical fear.. Extremists kill a tops of 4000 people in 20 year span.. With those kidn of statistics you have a great chance of getting murdered by a person you know or are family to.. You have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident.. So I say again where is the hysteria for those things that are far more likely than this? And when I mean far more likely, I mean STAGGERINGLY more likely.

Let's face it ladies and gentlemen, you can cry discrimination, racism, Islamophobia, or whatever all day but that won't change things. 9/11 put a big hole in people's trust with people of Islamic origin. Then, you had several other situations after that including the 7/7 London bombings, the attempted Fort Dix shooting, the Fort Hood shooting, the failed Times Square bombing, several suicide bombings, and more. With stuff like that, you can't help but to have people be fearful. I'll tell you right now that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful. However, when you have the vast majority of terrorists claiming to be Muslim people will be afraid. You can try to dismiss it and tell people they have a better chance of being killed in a car accident all day but that won't change things.

I run into people all day who say they're scared to join the military because they might be killed in combat despite the fact that their chances of being killed in a car accident are greater. Their excuse is that they can't help using a car but they can help being in the military. Same thing with the flight. While the chances of those men being terrorists were extremely low, plus adding on the fact that they would have been vetted by security long before they reach the plane, people will be scared. Calling people racist (even though it's not the correct term in that particular situation) won't change it. Education may help change it but it's going to be a long time before you will get people to trust them. Insulting somebody on OT won't miraculously change someones mind.

yeah i was watching CNN. they said that they even asked the ppl on the plane that if they felt uncomfortable then raise ur hand or tell them. no one said anything, they said it was only the pilot who had a problem with them going on the plane and wouldnt take off with them on it. ironically the muslim leader dudes were going to some conference with other muslims to discuss america's views on muslims, or something along those lines.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Your last part makes no sense what so ever.... That supposed terrorists that I some how know are terrorists, but no one else knows got off and I was happy? That makes no sense what so ever.. I would be happy if I knew specifically these people were violent got off the flight REGARLDESS of who they were.. I see them being Muslim a completelY NON issue for violence.

sSubZerOo

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

Men in general kill millions around the world, should women of all sudden be fearful of men? Black violent crime is up high, should I suddenly feel fearful in not wanting to fly with them? It most certainly is stupid fear, its illogical fear.. Extremists kill a tops of 4000 people in 20 year span.. With those kidn of statistics you have a great chance of getting murdered by a person you know or are family to.. You have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident.. So I say again where is the hysteria for those things that are far more likely than this? And when I mean far more likely, I mean STAGGERINGLY more likely.

Its easy to say it now because im not in that situation. Getting killed by a gang member isnt very likely considering im not in a gang nor do I associate or hang anywhere near them, yet im still uncomfortable when a thuggish man walks in my direction. I dont have a problem with flying on a plane with muslims on it but if I was in that situation and depending on how he looked and his mannerisms and especially the way he was dressed I might have felt awkward. You act like "oh spiders kill an average of so and so a year there nothing to fear" "you have a small chance of dying in a tornado you have nothing to fear" but even the smallest chance can cause fear.

If a clowns started running around killing people and killed only a couple people in five years or something people are still going to be afraid of clowns. Honestly you're being very ignorant to human nature.

Plain racism. This is going to blow up in the media and alqeda will not be happy.

specialzed

[QUOTE="specialzed"]

Plain racism. This is going to blow up in the media and alqeda will not be happy.

Blabadon

NICE

yeah i was watching CNN. they said that they even asked the ppl on the plane that if they felt uncomfortable then raise ur hand or tell them. no one said anything, they said it was only the pilot who had a problem with them going on the plane and wouldnt take off with them on it. ironically the muslim leader dudes were going to some conference with other muslims to discuss america's views on muslims, or something along those lines.

idunnodude

Peer pressure is a powerful thing even when you're no longer in high school. It's very possible some people were uncomfortable but didn't raise their hand out of fear of being looked at as prejudice. Not saying they wasn't being honest, but sometimes people will lie when put on the spot out of fear of what people will think of them.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

I basically meant that anything could happen. Was it right to kick out the men, no. Is it normal to have some kind of built up fear of muslim men on planes after muslim men on planes kill thousands of people, yes. Anyone could hijack a plane white, black, or muslim but the most highlly profile attacks recently have been from muslims amd thats what humans do is find a pattern in things. So I believe it was wrong and stupid to just kick out the men but it is definitely not stupid to have that fear.

Jolt_counter119

Men in general kill millions around the world, should women of all sudden be fearful of men? Black violent crime is up high, should I suddenly feel fearful in not wanting to fly with them? It most certainly is stupid fear, its illogical fear.. Extremists kill a tops of 4000 people in 20 year span.. With those kidn of statistics you have a great chance of getting murdered by a person you know or are family to.. You have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident.. So I say again where is the hysteria for those things that are far more likely than this? And when I mean far more likely, I mean STAGGERINGLY more likely.

Its easy to say it now because im not in that situation. Getting killed by a gang member isnt very likely considering im not in a gang nor do I associate or hang anywhere near them, yet im still uncomfortable when a thuggish man walks in my direction.

Well I take it you have never been in any kind of major city.. I worked in Pontiac building houses.. oh ans GASSPPP I am not dead, stabbed.

I dont have a problem with flying on a plane with muslims on it but if I was in that situation and depending on how he looked and his mannerisms

.. This is not it, this was specifically based upon his identification and title... That that he was acting threatening or saying threatening things..

and especially the way he was dressed I might have felt awkward.

You act like "oh spiders kill an average of so and so a year there nothing to fear" "you have a small chance of dying in a tornado you have nothing to fear" but even the smallest chance can cause fear.

I never argued it couldn't, what I argued is that it was illogical, stupid, and should not be indulged upon.

If a clowns started running around killing people and killed only a couple people in five years or something people are still going to be afraid of clowns. Honestly you're being very ignorant to human nature.

.. Funny you should say that because we had a famous serial killer who killed well over 20 boys who dressed like a clown.. Gacy.. yet no clown fear upont hat.. The clown fear is that of a irrational fear.. The fear of Muslims is based upon a statistic that we saw and heard on the news, not a traumatic event or a irrational fear that you had as a hcild.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Extremist Muslims, please dont make it out like all the muslims are in on it.

stanleycup98

Actually thats the reason this situation even occured.

The media, and people like you, hint that there's a connection to Muslims and Extremists when there is none. There are extremists in every group.
Now, because of the mass misinforming of what Islam is about, people fear Muslims, and this pilot kicked these people off because of it.

As one of them said...

"It's racism and bias because of our religion and appearance and because of misinformation about our religion." Rahman said. "If they understood Islam, they wouldn't do this."

He's 100% right. Please do not continue to hint at such a stereotype.

[QUOTE="specialzed"]

Plain racism. This is going to blow up in the media and alqeda will not be happy.

Gladestone1

No one really cares if alqedea is happy or not..Killing innocents makes one happy than thats nuts in my eyes..Alqeda is a bunch of sissy girls hiding behind rocks an killing innocent people..Wish we would hunt them all like we did bin laden..Sorry your quote here upsets me..

They passed the outrageous security check points at the airport (probably with extra scrutiny), they should be allowed to fly. Racist pilot is racist, not much else to it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]They passed the outrageous security check points at the airport (probably with extra scrutiny), they should be allowed to fly. Racist pilot is racist, not much else to it.ColonelVodka

They passed the outrageous security check points at the airport (probably with extra scrutiny), they should be allowed to fly. Racist pilot is racist, not much else to it.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]They passed the outrageous security check points at the airport (probably with extra scrutiny), they should be allowed to fly. Racist pilot is racist, not much else to it.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]They passed the outrageous security check points at the airport (probably with extra scrutiny), they should be allowed to fly. Racist pilot is racist, not much else to it.Ace6301