Muslim Leaders Taken Off Plane

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#201 Chutebox
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Plain racism. This is going to blow up in the media and alqeda will not be happy.

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When are they happy? Seriously, why do we think what we do makes any difference in their eyes. Groups like them are constantly thinking of ways to kill innocents as it is.

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#202 LJS9502_basic
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Considering that there are around two to three million Muslims living here in America, how do people who are scared of Muslims even function at all in their daily life?

GabuEx
Ah but there would be a different perception of the individuals by the style of dress now wouldn't there? And then again....not every community in the US has them I'd imagine. If one lived where no mosques existed....they wouldn't think about Muslims being local. Fear is often irrational....
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#203 JasonDarksavior
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

How this is racism? :?

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They're making presumptions based on nothing other than race and religion. That's racism and being a bigot.

Makes no difference to me, it's still discrimination.

Yeh, definitely discrimination. Wonder if there would be legal action.
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#204 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Course that's racism. It must suck being anyone even remotely Middle Eastern looking in America, with their crappy media and all.
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#205 LJS9502_basic
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Course that's racism. It must suck being anyone even remotely Middle Eastern looking in America, with their crappy media and all.ocstew
That's not racism. Second....Middle Easterners have lived in the US for years with no problems. :|
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#206 JustPlainLucas
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The airplane has every right to kick whoever they want off their planes... but just because it's a right doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. If you ask me, if other passengers aren't comfortable with flying with Muslims, THEY should be the ones to leave and catch a different flight.
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#207 Led_poison
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Man, that sucks to have the plane pull away from the gateway and then stop and go back.

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#208 BMD004
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Your link says the same as mine with "usually" for your definition. Your own quote doesn't substantiate your position. Besides who cares the pilot is a jerk and an ass. All you're doing is arguing semantics, point is the guys a bigot.

Prejudice doesn't = racism. Racism is something different as I explained above. Bigot, sure. Racist? You don't know that based on the story. Prejudiced? Sure.

Well they were removed more being muslim and middle eastern. To me if you think they're going to try and kill you because of that shows a belief they are lesser than you, at least morally. However racism is still the belief that a race can have an inherent trait to it (you know like middle easterners are going to blow up your plane). Seriously your arguing semantics but can't be bothered to actually read the definitions. Belief one is superior or inferior can be a part of it but isn't the whole thing. I like how BMD says I'm the one who is arguing semantics when you and droid are the ones who jumped on me with a semantics argument first.

You clearly don't understand what racism is, even after I explained it to you and gave a lot of evidence to support it. I think I'll trust the sociology professors who wrote my college textbook who are experts in the field over your interpretation of what you THINK it means.
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#209 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="BMD004"]Prejudice doesn't = racism. Racism is something different as I explained above. Bigot, sure. Racist? You don't know that based on the story. Prejudiced? Sure.BMD004
Well they were removed more being muslim and middle eastern. To me if you think they're going to try and kill you because of that shows a belief they are lesser than you, at least morally. However racism is still the belief that a race can have an inherent trait to it (you know like middle easterners are going to blow up your plane). Seriously your arguing semantics but can't be bothered to actually read the definitions. Belief one is superior or inferior can be a part of it but isn't the whole thing. I like how BMD says I'm the one who is arguing semantics when you and droid are the ones who jumped on me with a semantics argument first.

You clearly don't understand what racism is, even after I explained it to you and gave a lot of evidence to support it. I think I'll trust the sociology professors who wrote my college textbook who are experts in the field over your interpretation of what you THINK it means.

Well you're determined I'll give you that much I guess. Point is either way it was racism and bigotry. Why argue?
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#210 Danm_999
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Pilots look at passenger records? How did he know those guys were on the plane?

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I've flown with Delta before and I found once or twice flight attendents would write down my, and those travelling with me's, passport information, which they wouldn't do for US citizens. I suspect they review that information on non-US citizens before the flight and can find you by where you're sitting.
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Considering that there are around two to three million Muslims living here in America, how do people who are scared of Muslims even function at all in their daily life?

Theokhoth

People are good at constructing very sturdy bubbles.

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

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#212 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Considering that there are around two to three million Muslims living here in America, how do people who are scared of Muslims even function at all in their daily life?

htekemerald

People are good at constructing very sturdy bubbles.

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

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#213 jimmyjammer69
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lol @ some of the answers in this thread. Thanks for showing OT where you're arguing from.
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#214 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] People are good at constructing very sturdy bubbles.GabuEx

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

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#215 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

htekemerald

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

You supported this decision. Why?

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#216 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

htekemerald

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

If Americans are so concerned about their safety, maybe they should watch what they say?
"Look, theres a small group of people in that religion who kill anyone who defames their religion. Lets go burn their bible and insult them further"

:roll:

I mean come on, "Survival of the Fittest" should finish the idiots without common sense.

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#217 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

htekemerald

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

"Kiss your rights goodbye" But taking rights away from others is a-ok as long as it's not you? That's...an interesting view point, to say the least.
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#218 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

I don't know that people should be living in fear of being physically harmed; however if Europe is any example you can kiss your rights goodbye.

htekemerald

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

Yeah, it's not like current airports rigorously check that the people getting onto the plane with you aren't a danger to you or othes.
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#219 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Nibroc420

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

If Americans are so concerned about their safety, maybe they should watch what they say?
"Look, theres a small group of people in that religion who kill anyone who defames their religion. Lets go burn their bible and insult them further"

:roll:

I mean come on, "Survival of the Fittest" should finish the idiots without common sense.

We live in a society with laws against acts of violence. While burning the Koran may not have been a smart move it certainly should not be responded to with violence.

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#220 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

Ace6301

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

"Kiss your rights goodbye" But taking rights away from others is a-ok as long as it's not you? That's...an interesting view point, to say the least.

Flying on a private airline is not a right.

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#221 Danm_999
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Flying on a private airline is not a right.

htekemerald

So, by logical extension, nor is having your views catered to as to who can and can't be on the plane with you.

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#222 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

htekemerald

If Americans are so concerned about their safety, maybe they should watch what they say?
"Look, theres a small group of people in that religion who kill anyone who defames their religion. Lets go burn their bible and insult them further"

:roll:

I mean come on, "Survival of the Fittest" should finish the idiots without common sense.

We live in a society with laws against acts of violence. While burning the Koran may not have been a smart move it certainly should not be responded to with violence.

It wasn't a surprise that it would happen.
And the objective was to ensue violence.

Regardless, it's merely and example of ONE of the idiotic things people do before crying about the result. If you don't want it to happen, don't try to start something.

Dont want to get shot? Dont **** off the drunk man with a gun. - Common sense? Right?
So if you **** off a drunk dude who's got a gun, Dont cry about what happens.

I mean, obviously people shouldn't have responded to the Koran Burning with Violence. But he knew it would happen and did it anyways. He doesn't really have the right to complain about the end result.

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#223 GabuEx
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What rights are we kissing goodbye by allowing Muslims on planes?

'Cause I'm pretty sure you supported this decision, so since you don't think people should be afraid of being physically harmed, what rights will be abridged if we don't do this?

GabuEx

Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

You supported this decision. Why?

It's a pretty simple question.

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#224 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="htekemerald"] Living in fear and being concerned are two different things. One always needs to be concerned about his or her safety.

htekemerald

"Kiss your rights goodbye" But taking rights away from others is a-ok as long as it's not you? That's...an interesting view point, to say the least.

Flying on a private airline is not a right.

Never said it was. You seem perfectly fine with removing two people from something they paid for and checked out for just because 1 person wasn't okay with them being there. Can't you see that it would be rather easy to jump off the slippery slope with that idea? How would you feel if the pilot had kicked two people off a plane because they were black or had red hair I wonder?
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#225 Birdy09
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IF they dealt with thier own extremist groups in the first place instead of quite clearly letting them hide away maybe we wouldnt have problems.
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#226 deactivated-5985f1128b98f
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

If Americans are so concerned about their safety, maybe they should watch what they say?
"Look, theres a small group of people in that religion who kill anyone who defames their religion. Lets go burn their bible and insult them further"

:roll:

I mean come on, "Survival of the Fittest" should finish the idiots without common sense.

Nibroc420

We live in a society with laws against acts of violence. While burning the Koran may not have been a smart move it certainly should not be responded to with violence.

It wasn't a surprise that it would happen.
And the objective was to ensue violence.

Regardless, it's merely and example of ONE of the idiotic things people do before crying about the result. If you don't want it to happen, don't try to start something.

Dont want to get shot? Dont **** off the drunk man with a gun. - Common sense? Right?
So if you **** off a drunk dude who's got a gun, Dont cry about what happens.

I mean, obviously people shouldn't have responded to the Koran Burning with Violence. But he knew it would happen and did it anyways. He doesn't really have the right to complain about the end result.

By your logic, girls that wear"slutty" clothing to a frat party shouldn't complain when they get raped.

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#227 deactivated-59d151f079814
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IF they dealt with thier own extremist groups in the first place instead of quite clearly letting them hide away maybe we wouldnt have problems.Birdy09

Oh brother.. What exactly is the Muslim community suppose to do? Are people just blind to the fact that every and all religious group/leader within the Muslim community of some reknown has denounced these people and actiosn by groups like AQ? Do you guys even understand that these extremists are just as hostile towards peaceful and/or secular Muslims in the world?

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#230 Xtasy26
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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

I mean look at what Terry Jones's Koran burning did, it ****ed off an entire religion. Maybe if people didn't sit there poking at this group of people, they wouldn't view the west as they do.

DaJuicyMan

Wow.

The people that did all the killing were????? .................... muslims.

The people that told them all about ol pastor ass hat and got them all stirred up were????????.................... their local muslim leaders.

The people that got attacked and killed were in Afghanistan doing what???????????????........................ providing charity, building schools, providing training to the local police, etc etc.

Yes, lets blame the deaths of these 20+ innocents on the ass hat preacher in his Florida back yard burning a stupid book on his bbq grill. By all means, pastor ass hat should be brought up on accessory to murder charges. The actual killers?? Well, we just have to understand how pissed off they were and how that justifies their actions, apparently.

Dude, just stop.

Bro your so right. Don't feel the need to keep responding to these guys who are saying otherwise. Blaming that dumbass pastor for the deaths is ridiculous. Burning the Koran would be like burning the American flag in another country, which happens alot, and us Amercians (christian, ahteist, mormon, jewish, etc.) don't get pissed and kill people. Face it, Islam is violent. It's not the midevil ages anymore, other religions have left a majority of their more extreme violent beliefs in the past. It's time Islam does as well.

Uh uh. I could verses from the Bible that would prove that Christianity is violent. See I could play your game too. What about the Muslims that don't commit violence?

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#231 Xtasy26
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IF they dealt with thier own extremist groups in the first place instead of quite clearly letting them hide away maybe we wouldnt have problems.Birdy09

Exactly how is Muslims who live in different countries supposed to deal with extremists in other countries. That's like saying African American's shoul deal with problems in Africa. LMAO.

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#232 Xtasy26
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Looks the pilot was an ignoranus. He should be fired.