‘Not Our President’ Protests in Major US Cities

@sSubZerOo: Our Electors are allowed to vote for who they want. They can vote for Hillary just like the American people voted for Hillary. They have a chance to give the people what they want. Our system is outdated and doesnt allow every vote to count.

THAT IS because, JUST LIKE Senators, every state gets 2 representatives regardless of population.. Are you in favor of dissolving the Senate now too? This was the compromise made to ensure that smaller states were not drowned out completely by the largest states when it comes to federal government.

@sSubZerOo: We just want every vote to count. The American people voted for Hillary and we want Hillary as our President.

Actually no they are not, it depends entirely on the state and their specific rulings... We live in a pluralistic voting environment (with a few exceptions) where winner takes all.. Meaning that if a candidate wins with a 51% vs the opponents 49%, they still get all the elective college votes from that state.

@sSubZerOo: We want all votes to count, united under one Nation. Am i a Floridan or an American? Why does my vote only count for Florida and not America?

Well, that is a matter of opinion

California has a population just short of 39 mill , Texas has a 27 So the difference is not that big.

But for the hell of it, what do you think is a fair share for California and let´s take Texas.

And they do, but the compromise was made to ensure that smaller states still garnered some power to have a say in the federal government..

This is hypocritical nonsense.. Where was your outrage about the legislative branch of the country that has been that way before we were all born here? Every state gets two senators, meaning that a state like Montana wields more power per person than California.. Should we dismantle that too?

@sSubZerOo: But thats not equal. Thats an outdated system. My vote should be united with my fellow Americans. Im an American, not a Floridian. Im am now a Progressive, its time for the rise of Progressivism.

Translation: I didn't like how things went.. Lets pull it all down because it didn't go my way!.. This is hypocrisy at the highest level.. And you offer absolutely no alternative solution or change, and completely dismiss the reasons why this was done to begin with.. Bravo. The United States was founded upon the balance of State and federal rights.. It is why both the Legislative and Executive branches take into account both population and state rights as the compromise.. This was the compromise made in agreement for smaller states to join the Union.. You are spitting on the foundation of our country's government while offering absolutely no alternative what so ever.. Not to mention completely disregarding the inner workings of our government that has been doing this for as long as any one has been alive.. Where was this outrage for the Legislative branch? Who passes legislation with the same rules.. Where small states get more representation per citizen than larger states.

And no this is horse crap.. States do make a difference, districts DO make a difference, because we do not all think alike.. Nor do we have the same concerns as people from other states and vice versa.

Well i'm not saying you are wrong. I thought they were an alien conspiracy site or something tbo I know very little about them.

With that being said though if they want to tackle current events and take a beating video and put it out specifically because mainstream won't touch it then i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that it is actual journalism until they start saying aliens are behind that specific video.

What about when Gore Lost? Gore won the popular vote. Yet it was Bush who took the white house.

Unless you want to change how America is, because you have to remember that in general the federal government have a lot less compared to state laws. which is why you can now smoke cannabis in some states.

So are you willing to stop all that and remove state legislation power for a big federal government? because if not, then you have no right to even begin to disregard other states choice, just because you did not like it.

Hell what about the entire legislative branch to begin with? We have a major branch of government that functions just like the electoral college when it comes to representation of states.. Where were people's outrage when they realized that smaller states get proportionately greater representation than larger states?

We were upset then too. We just want every single vote to count.

Frankly if somehow electors elected Hillary as President, which has like a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 of happening, she should and probably would declined it.

If not, then I guess if Steven Spielberg doesn't die in it, he can make another movie about a Civil War.

I wanted to avoid complaining about the electoral college since everyone's doing it and the people defending make no sense and cite the Constitution like it's the holy Bible. But here goes:

I'm not convinced that a popular vote is irrelevant because the electoral college says otherwise. Basically a majority of the people can vote for a candidate, prefer that candidate, and somehow that candidate loses because of the electoral college. Where's the logic?

Granted, I understand that urban-centric voting blocks would benefit more from a direct voting process, we've seen Republican candidates win majority votes in the past before. And they won because they did something called campaigning and trying to win votes rather than game the system.

U.S. territories can vote. But their votes aren't counted thanks to the limitations of the electoral college in that only the states's electoral college can be counted.

And lastly, it discourages third parties and voter turnout thanks to political entrenchment. I get it now. You're a Democrat living in a hardcore Republican state. You vote but what difference does it make? It's going red regardless. And, to be fair, it can be the other way around.

But wait, shouldn't we be concerned about mob rule? If you say this as a counterargument, we just elected a populist with authoritarian lean because of the current system in place.

The electoral college is outdated and outmoded. Seriously why are we still defending it?

They do.... But a compromise was also made to ensure that smaller states did not have their voices drowned out.. Hence why electoral college every state gets a minimum of two votes, and the rest are based upon population..

@sSubZerOo: No, not all votes count. I shouldnt have to compromise my vote. My vote should stand united with my fellow Americans. Im an American not a Floridian.

@Riverwolf007: That video was reported by other outlets. ABC, NY Post, TMZ, and Daily Mail to name a few. What you won't hear from InfoWars is that, according to the police, the attack stemmed from a traffic altercation and was not political. Which is why you are the woman yell "Are you going to pay for my sh*t?" The Donald Trump remarks were just assholes taunting a helpless man and the people in video are in fact all pieces of sh*t

@Jacanuk:

It looked like a dirty move in Trump's part. Appeal to the silent majority and you can take over the small states by filling their poor little minds with wishes and empty promises. We all know he lies but preying on the hopes of people who feel unrepresented is a dirty ass move. Damn liar....

Hmmm....?

Maybe Trumpinator does have what it takes to be a politician. He's got the empty promises and showmanship down. "Make America great again." Yeah, very republican, DT. Steal a slogan from Bill Clinton. Well, actually it was Ronald Reagan first but Bill did use it too.

@iandizion713: "Our Electors are allowed to vote for who they want. They can vote for Hillary just like the American people voted for Hillary. They have a chance to give the people what they want. Our system is outdated and doesnt allow every vote to count."

That's why I don't blame people for not voting.

So call me when we have a system where a vote actually counts.

And what would you change it with? Do you have any idea how other country's governments in the west run?.. They are no better, you trade one set of problems for the other.. You trade a two party system for a multi party system there creates massive groups that act like major parties in the United States.. Furthermore in many countries you don't even vote for the specific person, you vote for the party and the party decides who to put into power.. We are defending it because it was the compromise struck between states when they joined the union to ensure they had some say in federal government when they relinquish their sovereignty.

Mob rule? That doesn't even make sense because this specific reason why this was brought up was from SOME ONE WHO DIDN'T win the popular vote.

Except when it comes to a industry.. People in Michigan are going to care more about their car industry than people from Florida, it is why we have state representatives in both the house and senate.. Repeating your same drivel over and over again isn't going to make it right, it's dogmatic nonsense. Every one here who voted is a American, but depending on where we live, we all have different goals and interests.. Stop spouting this nonsense. You're a hypocrite only questioning the system when things didn't go your way, and your trying to cover this self serving attitude with the platitude of dogmatic collectivism.

Still have yet to hear your solution on this.. Still have yet to start being critical of the legislative branch who functions the EXACT same way when it comes to representation vs population. You're just upset because Trump got elected, you don't really care about the system on how it could be improved..

@sSubZerOo: Im not voting for a Michigan Representative. Im voting for an American President. My solution is to make every vote count. Give the election to Hillary since the American people voted for Hillary. We didnt vote for Trump, we dont want him.

Yes but said American President represents us ALL, and every one has different goals, agendas, and the like.. And that Michigan Representative is in our Senate house right now with equal power to the Californian Senators, passing laws and policies that affect the entire country.... Where is the outrage there? You're hypocrite.. You're only willing to call out something as "unfair" when it doesn't go your way, but don't raise a single peep when the exact same kind of representation compromise makes up our Legislative branch.

@sSubZerOo: If he represents us all, then why arent all votes equal? I dont vote for a Florida Senator to run California. That would be stupid and unfair.

Also not forget that a lot of votes for Clinton in immigrant heavy states like California is from illegals and should not really be counted.

So if people want a popular vote to count , they also need to find a system where you need to prove your citizenship and who you are.

@Jacanuk: You have no proof illegals voted for Clinton. Its insanely hard to cheat the voting system. We even caught Trump supporters doing it.

The thing is if the United States changed it now, any and all state that didn't like it should be able to legally leave the union.. The states and territories gave up their sovereignty with this compromise to ensure that they were not dominated and controlled federally through the push of much larger states.

Why is that stupid and unfair? Our Legislative branch under Congress passes FEDERAL LAW.. Meaning that Florida Senator is passing or denying laws that will have a impact on not just their state but the entire Union.. If they are going to do that why shouldn't congress and senate be national voted on and not state/districts? See what I am getting at? You're crying about how the President is chosen in our system, while completely ignoring the exact same thing that occurs in our Legislative branch.

All votes are equal. That is what the electoral system is for.

And no you do not vote in florida, and someone in florida does not vote in California

But yet a California senator runs the country and can make decisions that can affect Florida. So your point?

@sSubZerOo: Thats not a bad ideal. We should have a vote to separate. But wed have to allow all votes to count. Then we could have a massive moving. Would suck at first, but would be for the greater good.

Crazy Republicans over here, crazy Democrats over there!

He cant pass a federal law by himself. Every Senators vote counts.

No it wouldn't, it would be tyranny of the majority.. These compromises were put in place to protect states rights, and minority groups from being completely drowned out... They did this for a REASON.. It was apart of the compromise made to ratify said government, if you violate that, than states should have every right to secede for federal government violating the deal they struck.

Yes but a Michigan senator has the same power as a Californian Senator.. Yet California is 3 to 4 times the population of Michigan.

@sSubZerOo: That's unfair though. The system is outdated and unjust. Majority should rule.

Of course.

If a state feels like it can do better alone and as a separate country , then by all means let it.

After all that freedom is what America is founded on.

Wrong. That was the compromise made by the federal government when states agreed to give up their sovereignty and put into the United States.. That population was factored in, but every state got some minimum in representation.. Hence we got the Senate (2 per state) vs House of Representatives (population based), hence we got the electoral college.. Politics is about compromise, and this was the deal struck for states/territories when they agreed to join the Union. It is only unfair to you because things didn't go your way..

@sSubZerOo: I'm against it, I want and will fight for the people to rule. It's now time for the progressive movement to move forward full speed. Every vote should count untied as a whole.

voters in texas and california are both being hampered under the current system, texas actually even more than california despite cali having a larger population.

a fairer system imo is to simply have the # of EC vote per state be proportional to their population.

for example ( number made up for simplicity sake ):

the EC vote / citizen is fixed at some number say 1 / 200K citizens, rounded down ( or up, whichever brings you closer to that ratio ) or maybe you need to get into fractions of EC votes. not sure.

state A have a population of 1M. they get 5 EC votes

state B has a population of 400K, they get 2 EC votes.

under the current system, state A gets something like 4 EC votes and state B gets 3 EC votes. that makes no sense.

dissolving the senate?

not sure how that follows the line of the current discussion.

60,000,000 Americans voted for Trump. There was a electorate in the state Washington who stated he was not going to vote for Hillary and he could face fines and jail time if he did not. It is pretty clear you have to vote the way your state voted.

And with who's going to the Oval Office, it looks like Jonesy is going to get higher in rep. Oh god...

Even their boy Donny is/was against it (I have a feeling he's changing his mind since he won).

Stop being a pathetic sore loser. You'd never spew this crap if Hillary won.

Now, how does it feel? To lose THAT much? Republicans have ALL the power now. These 4 years are going to be tremendous. Trump already has an official enemies list.

they got owned.

You have every right to protest peacefully. It is your right.

What in the hell are you talking about? The population of America is over 350 million. Less than a third of Americans even voted, and Hilary did not even get half of all the votes cast in this sample.