[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] You know it's called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason right?... What reasson? People dont have enough money in their countries sometimes they die of starvation and you are telling me that its illegal for them to cross the border and find a better life for themselfs? Sure gansters and criminals should be deported but not the hard working ones, if it wasnt for em there wouldnt be any cheap labor in the states now, they help your country to get where it is today, you have no right to kick em out , infact Arizona was part of mexico some hundred of years ago but the US stole it from them. Dude no one is being racist here. I doubt any of us have a problem with Mexicans.. I personally don't one of my best friends is Mexican and he agrees about the whole illegal immigration thing as well. Dare I say it, he's more extreme om the issue than I am... Well maybe he should get deported then :|
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] You realize that pushing illegal immigrants on a large scale will ruin more "lives?. Furthermore, they all live a life which they ILLEGALLY obtained. Also, that's quite a comparison you made there! It's only relevant in the slightest sense possible. I seriously don't see your point. If you believe we should push illegal immigrants out of this country, you might want to get used to "ruining lives". Eh, at no point did i say we should push illegal immigrants out of this country. :? I said quite the opposite. And the comparison is a perfectly good one; both involve problems which nobody is making any sincere effort to fix, instead just focusing on punishing a tiny number of people which accomplishes nothing. "They need to address the broader problems" So you agree that something must be done? Then you should realize that in order to address the broader problems we must deport illegal immigrants on a large scale. I don't know what you're getting at to be honest, do you have a better plan or something? Share it if so.
[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="Solid_Tango"] What reasson? People dont have enough money in their countries sometimes they die of starvation and you are telling me that its illegal for them to cross the border and find a better life for themselfs? Sure gansters and criminals should be deported but not the hard working ones, if it wasnt for em there wouldnt be any cheap labor in the states now, they help your country to get where it is today, you have no right to kick em out , infact Arizona was part of mexico some hundred of years ago but the US stole it from them. Dude no one is being racist here. I doubt any of us have a problem with Mexicans.. I personally don't one of my best friends is Mexican and he agrees about the whole illegal immigration thing as well. Dare I say it, he's more extreme om the issue than I am... Well maybe he should get deported then :| Legal citizens who have the right to be here don't get deported.
[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Solid_Tango"] Wtf ? You are racist man i hope you never have to inmigrate anywhere You know it's called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason right?... What reasson? People dont have enough money in their countries sometimes they die of starvation and you are telling me that its illegal for them to cross the border and find a better life for themselfs? Sure gansters and criminals should be deported but not the hard working ones, if it wasnt for em there wouldnt be any cheap labor in the states now, they help your country to get where it is today, you have no right to kick em out , infact Arizona was part of mexico some hundred of years ago but the US stole it from them. So if i'm starving it gives me the right to break the law that others have to follow?... The US didn't steal it...they won it after the war with mexico..then mexico ceded the rest of the western US..
Mexico is never going to get fixed. Instead of staying down there and... idk, DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE DARNED SITUATION, but they run like cowards. Deport them all back, and punish buisnesses that hire them severely.
Grodus5
they would have if they didn't have a really strict gun policy. and I'm sure the cartels are the last people that would give civilians guns. maybe the US could supplied the civilans with our guns?
or maybe the US can do actually do something about mexcio's goverment?
IF YOU'RE starving and you break the law... you are on your own. Sure you do what you have to do but you are on own your own. If you're an illegal you are on your own.
Most small resturaunts have an illegal working there and weatheror not they get away with it depends on the neighborhood. They get away with itbecause the people allow the rules to be bent. But if a chain of resturants is hiring illegals especially a lot of them most people aren't going to let that slide. Especially right now since so manylegal citizensare out of work.
IF YOU'RE starving and you break the law... you are on your own. Sure you do what you have to do but you are on own your own. If you're an illegal you are on your own.
Most small resturaunts have an illegal working there and weatheror not they get away with it depends on the neighborhood. They get away with itbecause the people allow the rules to be bent. But if a chain of resturants is hiring illegals especially a lot of them most people aren't going to let that slide. Especially right now since so manylegal citizensare out of work.
MagnumPI
Yeah, I'm sure there are some legal citizens who are out of work, and wouldn't mind cooking steaks so they could have some money coming in.
The Sheriff did right, now some more jobs will be open for legal citizens.
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] "They need to address the broader problems" So you agree that something must be done? Then you should realize that in order to address the broader problems we must deport illegal immigrants on a large scale. I don't know what you're getting at to be honest, do you have a better plan or something? Share it if so. Deporting everyone is not a solution, and can't even be achieved. :| Like i said, it's just whizzing in the wind, like suing a couple of people for illegal downloading. You're not achieving anything. The BROADER issues are dealing with employers and immigration controls to stop illegal immigration happening.
Good, We just need this in the rest of the states now. Especially NEw York. The City it full of them.
Ninja-Hippo
How would you know that the people you see on a daily basis in New York are illegal immigrants? Aside from New York having hundreds of Restaurants and Businesses.
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] "They need to address the broader problems" So you agree that something must be done? Then you should realize that in order to address the broader problems we must deport illegal immigrants on a large scale. I don't know what you're getting at to be honest, do you have a better plan or something? Share it if so. Ninja-Hippo
Deporting everyone is not a solution, and can't even be achieved. :| Like i said, it's just whizzing in the wind, like suing a couple of people for illegal downloading. You're not achieving anything. The BROADER issues are dealing with employers and immigration controls to stop illegal immigration happening. If we put every business under investigation for illegal immigrant employment it might make a huge difference. We still aren't even doing a good job of keeping them out, instead of putting a few soldiers at the border we need put 10,000 or more.
Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. Ninja-Hippo
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:|
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. LJS9502_basic
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| Some people are far too clouded with morals .
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. LJS9502_basic
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| border and property are nothing but concepts. If a person wants to live, they should do whatever they see in their best interest. And if you think this is in your best interest to maintain your lively hood, that is only another example of what I'm talking about. And when I consider these things from this perspective. It seems relatively unimportant. People do what they think is best one way or another.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. LJS9502_basic
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| it seems to be mostly liberals who for some reason want to let anybody in the country and let them breed like rabbits, and if someone says anything against it then they'll play the ole race card and accuse you of being a rascist.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. EMOEVOLUTION
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| border and property are nothing but concepts. If a person wants to live, they should do whatever they see in their best interest. And if you think this is in your best interest to maintain your lively hood, that is only another example of what I'm talking about. And when I consider these things from this perspective. It seems relatively unimportant. People do what they think is best one way or another.No...borders and property are an agreement between societies as to who will maintain and provide in that area. Society does have a right to decide laws. Always has.....
Other states should really start doing this. Also illegal means they are breaking the law, I see nothing wrong with them being arrested and being deported. For anyone that says "oh, they are looking for jobs, better life" crap. Well, you know there is a legal way to get into this country, you don't have to break the law.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| border and property are nothing but concepts. If a person wants to live, they should do whatever they see in their best interest. And if you think this is in your best interest to maintain your lively hood, that is only another example of what I'm talking about. And when I consider these things from this perspective. It seems relatively unimportant. People do what they think is best one way or another.No...borders and property are an agreement between societies as to who will maintain and provide in that area. Society does have a right to decide laws. Always has..... no such right exists.take what you can, that is how things work. agreements mean nothing and do not represent reality of what happens. An immigrant has no responsibility to laws or agreements of others if they see that it is in their best interest to be here. That is the bottom line.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] border and property are nothing but concepts. If a person wants to live, they should do whatever they see in their best interest. And if you think this is in your best interest to maintain your lively hood, that is only another example of what I'm talking about. And when I consider these things from this perspective. It seems relatively unimportant. People do what they think is best one way or another.EMOEVOLUTION
No...borders and property are an agreement between societies as to who will maintain and provide in that area. Society does have a right to decide laws. Always has..... no such right exists.take what you can, that is how things work. agreements mean nothing and do not represent reality of what happens. An immigrant has no responsibility to laws or agreements of others if they see that it is in their best interest to be here. That is the bottom line. Which in essence means it's perfectly fine to remove illegal immigrants. So why the complaint?
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:|LJS9502_basic
Some people are far too clouded with morals . I was always of the opinion that illegal is immoral.....perhaps we should throw all the laws out then....maybe that will make them happy. Well true that. But what I mean is that some people think you can justify illegal immigration because the people might be in a really bad situation. But in my opinion it's no different than justifying robbing someone because you can't afford to feed your family.
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] Some people are far too clouded with morals . UbiquitousAeon
I was always of the opinion that illegal is immoral.....perhaps we should throw all the laws out then....maybe that will make them happy. Well true that. But what I mean is that some people think you can justify illegal immigration because the people might be in a really bad situation. But in my opinion it's no different than justifying robbing someone because you can't afford to feed your family. Then they are shortsighted....because unabated illegal immigration is leading to bad situations for legal citizens.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No...borders and property are an agreement between societies as to who will maintain and provide in that area. Society does have a right to decide laws. Always has.....LJS9502_basic
no such right exists.take what you can, that is how things work. agreements mean nothing and do not represent reality of what happens. An immigrant has no responsibility to laws or agreements of others if they see that it is in their best interest to be here. That is the bottom line. Which in essence means it's perfectly fine to remove illegal immigrants. So why the complaint? It's not a complaint. It's an observation that should be considered. I'm overly empathetic to all that man faces.
The sheriff's office received a tip from a former Sizzler manager who claimed he had been fired for his refusal to hire employees without the proper documents, Lee said.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. LJS9502_basic
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| Good job nobody said they agreed with illegal immigration then (straw manning for the win). :roll: I said deporting a couple of people does nothing to solve the problem, and that they need to tackle the broader issues which nobody seems willing to do right now. By all means tell me i'm pro-illegal immigration though. :?
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I was always of the opinion that illegal is immoral.....perhaps we should throw all the laws out then....maybe that will make them happy.
LJS9502_basic
Well true that. But what I mean is that some people think you can justify illegal immigration because the people might be in a really bad situation. But in my opinion it's no different than justifying robbing someone because you can't afford to feed your family. Then they are shortsighted....because unabated illegal immigration is leading to bad situations for legal citizens. I totally agree with that notion. It's a shame really, too many people think it's okay and in the end does nothing but cause problems for this country.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. iwilson1296
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| it seems to be mostly liberals who for some reason want to let anybody in the country and let them breed like rabbits, and if someone says anything against it then they'll play the ole race card and accuse you of being a rascist. Yup, i didn't say anything remotely close to that either. Come on guys... :roll:
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] no such right exists.take what you can, that is how things work. agreements mean nothing and do not represent reality of what happens. An immigrant has no responsibility to laws or agreements of others if they see that it is in their best interest to be here. That is the bottom line. EMOEVOLUTION
Which in essence means it's perfectly fine to remove illegal immigrants. So why the complaint? It's not a complaint. It's an observation that should be considered. I'm overly empathetic to all that man faces. So what you are saying is only one side can do what they want while the others hands are tied and supposed to take it? Guess what....every country has hard luck stories. Doesn't mean you can successfully shovel them in another country and expect that country NOT to turn out the same as the countries immigrated from. If you are illegal....you get no sympathy from me for being caught. I hope it happens more.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. Ninja-Hippo
Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:| Good job nobody said they agreed with illegal immigration then (straw manning for the win). :roll: I said deporting a couple of people does nothing to solve the problem, and that they need to tackle the broader issues which nobody seems willing to do right now. By all means tell me i'm pro-illegal immigration though. :? However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Right....so do nothing except continue the impact on the economy until the country can't sustain itself. Seriously.....I can't fathom why anyone agrees with ILLEGAL immigration.:|Ninja-Hippo
it seems to be mostly liberals who for some reason want to let anybody in the country and let them breed like rabbits, and if someone says anything against it then they'll play the ole race card and accuse you of being a rascist. Yup, i didn't say anything remotely close to that either. Come on guys... :roll: you didn't say it..i did:roll:
However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.LJS9502_basic
Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.Ninja-Hippo
Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Want me to dig up the other threads? Yes I do remember...I also remember your other immigration posts. So logiclally...if one is stating that other threads are to be remembered....then it's not logical for you to deride me for remembering your stance.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.LJS9502_basic
Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Want me to dig up the other threads? Or you could just deal with i ACTUALLY SAID as i just requested. >_>
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Want me to dig up the other threads? Or you could just deal with i ACTUALLY SAID as i just requested. >_>I did.....you made as excuse that even an attempt at removing illegals is not worth the time. Guess what....that can be said of anything in history....but they took the time and removed the threat. The US became free...because they took the time. WW2 ended because other countries took the time. Relief efforts happen...because people take the time. I find your post to be apathetic and apathy is part of the problem.
[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which in essence means it's perfectly fine to remove illegal immigrants. So why the complaint?
LJS9502_basic
It's not a complaint. It's an observation that should be considered. I'm overly empathetic to all that man faces. So what you are saying is only one side can do what they want while the others hands are tied and supposed to take it? Guess what....every country has hard luck stories. Doesn't mean you can successfully shovel them in another country and expect that country NOT to turn out the same as the countries immigrated from. If you are illegal....you get no sympathy from me for being caught. I hope it happens more. I have no expectations of you or them. A thought occurred to me. I said it. That is all.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.LJS9502_basic
Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Want me to dig up the other threads? Yes I do remember...I also remember your other immigration posts. So logiclally...if one is stating that other threads are to be remembered....then it's not logical for you to deride me for remembering your stance. My post: 'This is ineffective and they need to deal with the broader issues to tackle immigration.' Your post: 'I don't get why anyone would be PRO illegal immigration.' Your post bares no resemblence to mine at all. I stated nothing pro-immigration at all, but merely commented on the efficacy of what they're doing right now, and even proposed a different approach to make cutting down illegal immigration more effective. I feel you were therefore incorrect to claim that i was being pro-illegal immigration in any way, and that your referring back to some other threads is more a means of avoiding simply accepting that your inference was incorrect and unjustified, respectfully.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Ninja-Hippo
Want me to dig up the other threads? Yes I do remember...I also remember your other immigration posts. So logiclally...if one is stating that other threads are to be remembered....then it's not logical for you to deride me for remembering your stance. My post: 'This is ineffective and they need to deal with the broader issues to tackle immigration.' Your post: 'I don't get why anyone would be PRO illegal immigration.' Your post bares no resemblence to mine at all. I stated nothing pro-immigration at all, but merely commented on the efficacy of what they're doing right now, and even proposed a different approach to make cutting down illegal immigration more effective. I feel you were therefore incorrect to claim that i was being pro-illegal immigration in any way, and that your referring back to some other threads is more a means of avoiding simply accepting that your inference was incorrect and unjustified, respectfully. Yet you totally ignored everything in my last post....contradiction much?
I did.....you made as excuse that even an attempt at removing illegals is not worth the time. Guess what....that can be said of anything in history....but they took the time and removed the threat. The US became free...because they took the time. WW2 ended because other countries took the time. Relief efforts happen...because people take the time. I find your post to be apathetic and apathy is part of the problem.LJS9502_basic
No you did not deal with what i actually said at all. >_> My post pertained to more effective means of controlling immigration. Your post accused me of being pro-illegal immigration and in no way addressed what i actually said; that there are more effective means of controlling the issue available than simply deporting people here and there. World War 2 isn't even close to a reasonable comparison to a sheriff deporting a handful of people. If america sent over 1,000 men to fight the odd skirmish here or there that would be a reasonable comparison. That was not the case however.
Yet you totally ignored everything in my last post....contradiction much?
LJS9502_basic
What did i ignore? :| I proposed no pro-illegal immigration stance whatsoever in this thread and therefore for you to reply to me accusing me of such is completely unjustified in my opinion. If you wish to refuse to accept that, that's your decision.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Hows about we take a step back from imposing points of view on people and just deal with what i actually said; that deporting people here and there will accomplish nothing and they need to decisively deal with the broader issues causing immigration. Remember that thread i made the other day about debating? Ninja-Hippo
Want me to dig up the other threads? Yes I do remember...I also remember your other immigration posts. So logiclally...if one is stating that other threads are to be remembered....then it's not logical for you to deride me for remembering your stance. My post: 'This is ineffective and they need to deal with the broader issues to tackle immigration.' Your post: 'I don't get why anyone would be PRO illegal immigration.' Your post bares no resemblence to mine at all. I stated nothing pro-immigration at all, but merely commented on the efficacy of what they're doing right now, and even proposed a different approach to make cutting down illegal immigration more effective. I feel you were therefore incorrect to claim that i was being pro-illegal immigration in any way, and that your referring back to some other threads is more a means of avoiding simply accepting that your inference was incorrect and unjustified, respectfully. Do you realize how many illegal immigrants there are currently in the USA? Not only does something need to be done about keeping new ones from entering but also something needs to be done with the large number that are currently present. We obviously can't give all of them citizenship and we can't have illegals living here forever. We need to kick them out.
Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. Ninja-Hippo
The above is not a pro-illegal immigration post in any way whatsoever, but rather proposes that they fix the bigger problems to STOP illegal immigration. As such, you replying to this post claiming that i am pro-illegal immigration and that i feel nothing should be done is entirely incorrect.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I did.....you made as excuse that even an attempt at removing illegals is not worth the time. Guess what....that can be said of anything in history....but they took the time and removed the threat. The US became free...because they took the time. WW2 ended because other countries took the time. Relief efforts happen...because people take the time. I find your post to be apathetic and apathy is part of the problem.Ninja-Hippo
No you did not deal with what i actually said at all. >_> My post pertained to more effective means of controlling immigration. Your post accused me of being pro-illegal immigration and in no way addressed what i actually said; that there are more effective means of controlling the issue available than simply deporting people here and there. World War 2 isn't even close to a reasonable comparison to a sheriff deporting a handful of people. If america sent over 1,000 men to fight the odd skirmish here or there that would be a reasonable comparison. That was not the case however.Your post actually said nothing but that you don't think starting to remove illegal immigrants on the state level is valuable. You've present no alternative...and I have read your opinions before.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. Ninja-Hippo
The above is not a pro-illegal immigration post in any way whatsoever, but rather proposes that they fix the bigger problems to STOP illegal immigration. As such, you replying to this post claiming that i am pro-illegal immigration and that i feel nothing should be done is entirely incorrect. So you are denying all the other pro illegal immigration posts you've made?
Your post actually said nothing but that you don't think starting to remove illegal immigrants on the state level is valuable.LJS9502_basic
I disagree, but even if i DID say that, you would still be completely unjustified in accusing me of being pro-illegal immigration. :| But that's not what i said, i said this: 'Kicking out a few immigrants is about as useful as suing four or five people for downloading music illegally. It does nothing to fix the problems. ' And the following post said they need to deal with the broader issues to stop immigration rather than just kicking people out here or there which wont accomplish anything to solve the problem. So once again, i said absolutely nothing pro-illegal immigration and you were incorrect to say otherwise.
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