Noted Arizona Sheriff raids Sizzler Restaurants for hiring illegals

I disagree, but even if i DID say that, you would still be completely unjustified in accusing me of being pro-illegal immigration. :| =Ninja-Hippo

If we put every business under investigation for illegal immigrant employment it might make a huge difference. We still aren't even doing a good job of keeping them out, instead of putting a few soldiers at the border we need put 10,000 or more.

UbiquitousAeon

So what you are saying is only one side can do what they want while the others hands are tied and supposed to take it? Guess what....every country has hard luck stories. Doesn't mean you can successfully shovel them in another country and expect that country NOT to turn out the same as the countries immigrated from. If you are illegal....you get no sympathy from me for being caught. I hope it happens more.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] I disagree, but even if i DID say that, you would still be completely unjustified in accusing me of being pro-illegal immigration. :| =LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So you are denying all the other pro illegal immigration posts you've made?Ninja-Hippo

Way to dodge the point that your post was not justified. >_> I said nothing pro-illegal immigration in this thread. Therefore you quoting me saying you don't get why i'm PRO illegal immigration is completely unjustified, as i said nothing of the sort. Detract the issue to other threads by all means if you're not going to admit that. Ninja-Hippo

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]However, I've read your stance in many of the other threads of this nature...and you ALWAYS side with the illegal immigrants.MagnumPI

I don't compromise with intruders. Maybe we should start executing illegals on sight. Give them a reason to consider staying out. Because apparently they don't takeus seriously.

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

NightStalkerBX

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So you are denying all the other pro illegal immigration posts you've made?Ninja-Hippo

Oh so it doesn't matter what you actually said. You just don't like the idea of someone disagreeing with you. Nothing needs to be this complicated.

My post was justified. You were deriding the attempt by the sheriff to remove illegal immigrants. Thus...the problem continues. And I recall you absolute disgust over the Arizona law that allowed suspects to be checked for status.

LJS9502_basic

Oh so it doesn't matter what you actually said. You just don't like the idea of someone disagreeing with you. Nothing needs to be this complicated.

MagnumPI

You see? Seems very reasonable to me.

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

NightStalkerBX

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

LJS9502_basic

I dodn't think the U.S want Mexico. It's least valuable American Territory. Well in North America anyway.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

MagnumPI

I dodn't think the U.S want Mexico. It's least valuable American Territory. Well in North America anyway.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I think if illegals keep pouring in....we should take Mexico over. Solves the problem.....and it would end in the Mexican Territory being built up.LJS9502_basic

I dodn't think the U.S want Mexico. It's least valuable American Territory. Well in North America anyway.

I realize the US doesn't want it.....but something does need to be done.

LJS9502_basic

True, however it would be difficult at present, since we had all of the Democrats in Congress giving a standing ovation to the Mexican president for his comments on the Arizona immigration law.

Perhaps after November...some proactive border control will occur.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I realize the US doesn't want it.....but something does need to be done.

topsemag55

True, however it would be difficult at present, since we had all of the Democrats in Congress giving a standing ovation to the Mexican president for his comments on the Arizona immigration law.

Perhaps after November...some proactive border control will occur.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I realize the US doesn't want it.....but something does need to be done.

LJS9502_basic

True, however it would be difficult at present, since we had all of the Democrats in Congress giving a standing ovation to the Mexican president for his comments on the Arizona immigration law.

Perhaps after November...some proactive border control will occur.

Amen to that.:P

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

UbiquitousAeon

I understand it's an extreme, I was half-serious when I posted it. But the U.S. does need to do something proactive about Mexico, illegal immigration is but a tiny problem eminating from a country riddled with them. Boundless government corruption and drug cartels that get even more powerful as they continue to supply this country's insatiable drug addiction, those are the real problems. Millions of people live down there in fear because it seems that the law barely exists anymore and when they're desperate enough they'll cross, legally or illegally. If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it.

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

NightStalkerBX

I understand it's an extreme, I was half-serious when I posted it. But the U.S. does need to do something proactive about Mexico, illegal immigration is but a tiny problem eminating from a country riddled with them. Boundless government corruption and drug cartels that get even more powerful as they continue to supply this country's insatiable drug addiction, those are the real problems. Millions of people live down there in fear because it seems that the law barely exists anymore and when they're desperate enough they'll cross, legally or illegally. If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it.

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] I don't like this idea at all. Mexico does not need to become a bigger problem than it already is for the US.

LJS9502_basic

I understand it's an extreme, I was half-serious when I posted it. But the U.S. does need to do something proactive about Mexico, illegal immigration is but a tiny problem eminating from a country riddled with them. Boundless government corruption and drug cartels that get even more powerful as they continue to supply this country's insatiable drug addiction, those are the real problems. Millions of people live down there in fear because it seems that the law barely exists anymore and when they're desperate enough they'll cross, legally or illegally. If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it.

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get this over with already? ~_~

At least then our southern border will only be half the size it currently is. >_>

NightStalkerBX

I understand it's an extreme, I was half-serious when I posted it. But the U.S. does need to do something proactive about Mexico, illegal immigration is but a tiny problem eminating from a country riddled with them. Boundless government corruption and drug cartels that get even more powerful as they continue to supply this country's insatiable drug addiction, those are the real problems. Millions of people live down there in fear because it seems that the law barely exists anymore and when they're desperate enough they'll cross, legally or illegally. If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it.

I don't like this at all. People shouldn't be demeaned and treated this way just because they are not from this country. Legality of being in this country and being employed is not an issue in my eyes. If the US fixed it's economy there would be more jobs for people. If Mexico was 'fixed' they would have no reason to come here. Simply going after one "illegal" at a time is not going to solve the "problem".

Loco_Live

Good. Did they fine Sizzler (I couldn't find reference to it in the article)? That would be even better. mattbbpl

This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishmattbbpl

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"]

I understand it's an extreme, I was half-serious when I posted it. But the U.S. does need to do something proactive about Mexico, illegal immigration is but a tiny problem eminating from a country riddled with them. Boundless government corruption and drug cartels that get even more powerful as they continue to supply this country's insatiable drug addiction, those are the real problems. Millions of people live down there in fear because it seems that the law barely exists anymore and when they're desperate enough they'll cross, legally or illegally. If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it.

UbiquitousAeon

"If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it."

Problem is, IF we do that we'll be ridiculed by other countries. Oh, the United States is Trying to Take back MExico, Blah Blah Blah. :evil:

I think we're kidding ourselves if we think Obama will EVER do something like this anyways.

This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishLJS9502_basic

Agreed. Between the military stationed here (not all are in Iraq or Afghanistan), Reserves, National Guard, modern technology, and ground-penetrating radar (to detect tunnels), we have enough to almost shut down the border completely. We can also hire more Customs and Border Patrol agents, and expand the rules of engagement.

[QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

Edit; and keeping them out would work...but you'd have to get tough. It can be done but not with kid gloves.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]This whole authoritarian response to illegal immigration is rubishfat_rob

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

I don't like this at all. People shouldn't be demeaned and treated this way just because they are not from this country. Legality of being in this country and being employed is not an issue in my eyes. If the US fixed it's economy there would be more jobs for people. If Mexico was 'fixed' they would have no reason to come here. Simply going after one "illegal" at a time is not going to solve the "problem".

Jaguar_Shade

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Instead of deriding attempts to fix the problem....why not come up with suggestions?LJS9502_basic

Edit; and keeping them out would work...but you'd have to get tough. It can be done but not with kid gloves.

One thing that comes out of this....I hope no one eats at Sizzler.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] work on better ways for people who want to work in America to come here legally. I don't know of any specific plans, but it's obvious that the "keep 'em out" approach isn't working. fat_rob

Edit; and keeping them out would work...but you'd have to get tough. It can be done but not with kid gloves.

"If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it."

Problem is, IF we do that we'll be ridiculed by other countries. Oh, the United States is Trying to Take back MExico, Blah Blah Blah. :evil:

I think we're kidding ourselves if we think Obama will EVER do something like this anyways.

Snipes_2

I'm not entirely sure about that. Alot of countries complain because we're off intervening in countries on the other side of the globe so they get worried, etc. Mexico is in "our neighborhood" so I don't really see much of a basis for criticism, especially when it seems like their problems are increasingly becoming our problems.

And I don't know about Obama, I don't agree with him on alot, I think he's an overly-idealistic and very politically correct president, but I think he's starting to realize the realities of the presidency, idealism doesn't translate all too well to the job. Whether he'll do something abput Mexico, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, I would like to see him call Calderon out on alot of crap for starters though.

[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes but economics has a lot to do with how many legal immigrants the country can sustain....hence why it takes some time. Mexico is not the only country that has people seeking to immigrate....and the economy cannot sustain unlimited growth.

Edit; and keeping them out would work...but you'd have to get tough. It can be done but not with kid gloves.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="fat_rob"] :| economics has everything to do with illegal immigration. Whether it be the drug trade or the illegal workers. And the only way the "keep them out" approach will work is if we go Soviet Russia on the Mexican border. And even then, I bet people will find a way into the country. Fact is, the number of illegals has swelled since we started building the fence.fat_rob

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

"If ever there was a case for why the US should intervene in a country, Mexico is it."

Problem is, IF we do that we'll be ridiculed by other countries. Oh, the United States is Trying to Take back MExico, Blah Blah Blah. :evil:

I think we're kidding ourselves if we think Obama will EVER do something like this anyways.

NightStalkerBX

I'm not entirely sure about that. Alot of countries complain because we're off intervening in countries on the other side of the globe so they get worried, etc. Mexico is in "our neighborhood" so I don't really see much of a basis for criticism, especially when it seems like their problems are increasingly becoming our problems.

And I don't know about Obama, I don't agree with him on alot, I think he's an overly-idealistic and very politically correct president, but I think he's starting to realize the realities of the presidency, idealism doesn't translate all too well to the job. Whether he'll do something abput Mexico, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, I would like to see him call Calderon out on alot of crap for starters though.

I think Countries will complain no Matter what the United States does. As for Obama, I still doubt he'll Ever do anything to help the situation. Snipes_2

Vote out all of the Democrats in Congress, then watch the Federal Deficit drop by more than half, as ObamaCare will be repealed (for starters):P

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I think Countries will complain no Matter what the United States does. As for Obama, I still doubt he'll Ever do anything to help the situation. topsemag55

Vote out all of the Democrats in Congress, then watch the Federal Deficit drop by more than half, as ObamaCare will be repealed.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I think Countries will complain no Matter what the United States does. As for Obama, I still doubt he'll Ever do anything to help the situation. Snipes_2

Vote out all of the Democrats in Congress, then watch the Federal Deficit drop by more than half, as ObamaCare will be repealed.

*gives Snipes_2 high-five*

Damn I like this guy.:lol: