Obama Declares support for same-sex marriage.

[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] He's for big government, so no.Guybrush_3

hes for smaller government, so yes

He is for smaller Federal government. Why do Paul supporters have such a hard time understanding this? His record shows him to be pro-big government at the state level.

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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You actually fall for that bullsh*t? I guess you aren't familiar with the We The People act? It's a bill Ron Paul has introduced twice that would allow states to ignore the first and fourth amendments allowing states to impose whatever religious crap they want on their people.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR00958:@@@D&summ2=m&

F*ck Ron Paul. He's a religious bigot disguised as a freedom fighter.

Guybrush_3

so tell me Guybrush_3 who are you voting for?

Right now no one. If I were forced to vote it would be for Obama but that would be as the lesser of evils. I'm not a fan of any of the candidates.

Yep,I knew it.You could atleast vote for the one you like the most lol

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[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] The war on drugs is the most racist policy of the US government today. DaBrainz

I'm with Dabrainz for once. Current drug policy is incredibly racist and completely irrational. It's so far beyond fixing that needs to be scrapped.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Ending the war on drugs?

Further proof that Ron Paul is batsh*t crazy.

TopTierHustler

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

so tell me Guybrush_3 who are you voting for?

sexyweapons

Right now no one. If I were forced to vote it would be for Obama but that would be as the lesser of evils. I'm not a fan of any of the candidates.

Yep,I knew it.You could atleast vote for the one you like the most lol

I live in louisiana. If obama wins hear he has easily won the whole country. I would be more inclined to vote if I lived in a swing state but I don't so my vote doesn't even matter.

This is a good move that he should have taken years ago, however I will NEVER vote for Obama. He's as fake as they come and is bought and paid in full by too many corporations for me to EVER consider voting for him. Also I hate his government expansionist policy. Ron Paul all the way! Less government for me please...thanks!jer_1

Implying that every single president in history wasn't corrupted :lol:

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] He's for big government, so no.Guybrush_3

hes for smaller government, so yes

He is for smaller Federal government. Why do Paul supporters have such a hard time understanding this? His record shows him to be pro-big government at the state level.

Vote Ron Paul!...he will save us from the inevitable alien invasion!....Omni-Slash

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

hes for smaller government, so yes

surrealnumber5

He is for smaller Federal government. Why do Paul supporters have such a hard time understanding this? His record shows him to be pro-big government at the state level.

That's not what I am saying at all. You could have smaller federal government and smaller state government, but that is not what Ron Paul is for. He has introduced bills that EXPRESSLY grant states new powers. Specifically the power of states to ignore parts of the constitution. Not only that, the parts that he wants them to be able to ignore are parts that explicitly protect personal liberties. The We the People Act is the most dangerous bill I have ever seen introduced into the US legislature. It would allow for oppressive theocraies at the state level. What if radical islamist gained power in a state? They could inact Sharia law and the courts could do nothing about it.

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

hes for smaller government, so yes

surrealnumber5

He is for smaller Federal government. Why do Paul supporters have such a hard time understanding this? His record shows him to be pro-big government at the state level.

He is for smaller Federal government. Why do Paul supporters have such a hard time understanding this? His record shows him to be pro-big government at the state level.

That's not what I am saying at all. You could have smaller federal government and smaller state government, but that is not what Ron Paul is for. He has introduced bills that EXPRESSLY grant states new powers. Specifically the power of states to ignore parts of the constitution. Not only that, the parts that he wants them to be able to ignore are parts that explicitly protect personal liberties. The We the People Act is the most dangerous bill I have ever seen introduced into the US legislature. It would allow for oppressive theocraies at the state level. What if radical islamist gained power in a state? They could inact Sharia law and the courts could do nothing about it.

When religious nuts (mainly christian) are referencing "thousands of years of thinking about marriage," I hope they realize that marriage originated as a social construct that allowed family patriarchs to facilitate the transfer of property. Thousands of years ago, said property included daughters and they usually had no say in the matter before being handed over to a complete stranger to become his loving wife.

Why did we change that again? Oh yeah, it sucked!

Much like slavery and women not being able to vote, two loving homosexual adults not being able to enjoy the rights and benefits that two heterosexual adults enjoy as a married couple also sucks.

Ignorance is the worst.

Simply a political move for the upcoming election. Nothing more.

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I hope his flip-floppiness blows up in his face. :DFunky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"]I hope his flip-floppiness blows up in his face. :DThe-Apostle

Ok here is my 2 ceents a bout the entire thing

1.) 2 people of the same sex getting married does not effect you at all so mind your own f*cking business

2.) Its not a choice to be gay and i really feel like you are born gay For example, when did anyone here choose to be straight? Also some of my gay friends do come out of the closet in high school but admit that they start having feelings for the same sex and a very VERY young age.

3.) Your views on marriage are based upon YOUR religion and not everyone elses. If someone does not believe in your religion then that should be the end of it. Do you normally get pissed at everyone that does not follow what you follow?

4.) If you argue with point number 3 and say that marriage is a religion thing to begin with then should we ban atheist hetro sexuals from being married? I mean they dont follow your point of views also so them being married is an abomination right?

5.) Marriage is more then a ceramony when you get down to it its really just a CONTRACT! Its just saying that your partner is legally allowed to see you in the hospital when sick and take half of your sh*t if you get a divorce. Should we deny people basic rights of marriage like this?

6.) Also please dont give me this bs that gay marriage will be the end of us all. As far as the population goes we are getting over populated and allowing gay marriage will not even let this go on the decline either. Just because you ban gay marriage does not mean your going to ban people from being gay Gay people will still fall in love with people of the same sex and not turn straight just because you banned their right to marriage.

7.) No people of the same sex cant reproduce but they surly can adopt. Also as pointed out before gay people are BORN gay so just because they adopt kids does NOT mean they will turn the kids gay There are plently of children adopted by same sex parents that are still straight

8.) this is basically just restating point number one so MIND YOUR OWN MOTHER F*CKING BUSINESS! There is no way shape or form that two same sex people getting married will effect any one of us. Let people be happy and that will be the end of it.

Ok here is my 2 ceents a bout the entire thing

1.) 2 people of the same sex getting married does not effect you at all so mind your own f*cking business

2.) Its not a choice to be gay and i really feel like you are born gay For example, when did anyone here choose to be straight? Also some of my gay friends do come out of the closet in high school but admit that they start having feelings for the same sex and a very VERY young age.

3.) Your views on marriage are based upon YOUR religion and not everyone elses. If someone does not believe in your religion then that should be the end of it. Do you normally get pissed at everyone that does not follow what you follow?

4.) If you argue with point number 3 and say that marriage is a religion thing to begin with then should we ban atheist hetro sexuals from being married? I mean they dont follow your point of views also so them being married is an abomination right?

5.) Marriage is more then a ceramony when you get down to it its really just a CONTRACT! Its just saying that your partner is legally allowed to see you in the hospital when sick and take half of your sh*t if you get a divorce. Should we deny people basic rights of marriage like this?

6.) Also please dont give me this bs that gay marriage will be the end of us all. As far as the population goes we are getting over populated and allowing gay marriage will not even let this go on the decline either. Just because you ban gay marriage does not mean your going to ban people from being gay Gay people will still fall in love with people of the same sex and not turn straight just because you banned their right to marriage.

7.) No people of the same sex cant reproduce but they surly can adopt. Also as pointed out before gay people are BORN gay so just because they adopt kids does NOT mean they will turn the kids gay There are plently of children adopted by same sex parents that are still straight

8.) this is basically just restating point number one so MIND YOUR OWN MOTHER F*CKING BUSINESS! There is no way shape or form that two same sex people getting married will effect any one of us. Let people be happy and that will be the end of it.

killblade37

Oh hey it must be an election year.....LJS9502_basic

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Ok here is my 2 ceents a bout the entire thing

1.) 2 people of the same sex getting married does not effect you at all so mind your own f*cking business

2.) Its not a choice to be gay and i really feel like you are born gay For example, when did anyone here choose to be straight? Also some of my gay friends do come out of the closet in high school but admit that they start having feelings for the same sex and a very VERY young age.

3.) Your views on marriage are based upon YOUR religion and not everyone elses. If someone does not believe in your religion then that should be the end of it. Do you normally get pissed at everyone that does not follow what you follow?

4.) If you argue with point number 3 and say that marriage is a religion thing to begin with then should we ban atheist hetro sexuals from being married? I mean they dont follow your point of views also so them being married is an abomination right?

5.) Marriage is more then a ceramony when you get down to it its really just a CONTRACT! Its just saying that your partner is legally allowed to see you in the hospital when sick and take half of your sh*t if you get a divorce. Should we deny people basic rights of marriage like this?

6.) Also please dont give me this bs that gay marriage will be the end of us all. As far as the population goes we are getting over populated and allowing gay marriage will not even let this go on the decline either. Just because you ban gay marriage does not mean your going to ban people from being gay Gay people will still fall in love with people of the same sex and not turn straight just because you banned their right to marriage.

7.) No people of the same sex cant reproduce but they surly can adopt. Also as pointed out before gay people are BORN gay so just because they adopt kids does NOT mean they will turn the kids gay There are plently of children adopted by same sex parents that are still straight

8.) this is basically just restating point number one so MIND YOUR OWN MOTHER F*CKING BUSINESS! There is no way shape or form that two same sex people getting married will effect any one of us. Let people be happy and that will be the end of it.

BreakingDeath

Children and animals cannot give consent. This is the most fallacious argument possible on the subject, yet it continues to be invoked to the point of nausea.

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="killblade37"]

Ok here is my 2 ceents a bout the entire thing

1.) 2 people of the same sex getting married does not effect you at all so mind your own f*cking business

2.) Its not a choice to be gay and i really feel like you are born gay For example, when did anyone here choose to be straight? Also some of my gay friends do come out of the closet in high school but admit that they start having feelings for the same sex and a very VERY young age.

3.) Your views on marriage are based upon YOUR religion and not everyone elses. If someone does not believe in your religion then that should be the end of it. Do you normally get pissed at everyone that does not follow what you follow?

4.) If you argue with point number 3 and say that marriage is a religion thing to begin with then should we ban atheist hetro sexuals from being married? I mean they dont follow your point of views also so them being married is an abomination right?

5.) Marriage is more then a ceramony when you get down to it its really just a CONTRACT! Its just saying that your partner is legally allowed to see you in the hospital when sick and take half of your sh*t if you get a divorce. Should we deny people basic rights of marriage like this?

6.) Also please dont give me this bs that gay marriage will be the end of us all. As far as the population goes we are getting over populated and allowing gay marriage will not even let this go on the decline either. Just because you ban gay marriage does not mean your going to ban people from being gay Gay people will still fall in love with people of the same sex and not turn straight just because you banned their right to marriage.

7.) No people of the same sex cant reproduce but they surly can adopt. Also as pointed out before gay people are BORN gay so just because they adopt kids does NOT mean they will turn the kids gay There are plently of children adopted by same sex parents that are still straight

8.) this is basically just restating point number one so MIND YOUR OWN MOTHER F*CKING BUSINESS! There is no way shape or form that two same sex people getting married will effect any one of us. Let people be happy and that will be the end of it.

worlock77

Children and animals cannot give consent. This is the most fallacious argument possible on the subject, yet it continues to be invoked to the point of nausea.

[QUOTE="killblade37"]

Ok here is my 2 ceents a bout the entire thing

1.) 2 people of the same sex getting married does not effect you at all so mind your own f*cking business

2.) Its not a choice to be gay and i really feel like you are born gay For example, when did anyone here choose to be straight? Also some of my gay friends do come out of the closet in high school but admit that they start having feelings for the same sex and a very VERY young age.

3.) Your views on marriage are based upon YOUR religion and not everyone elses. If someone does not believe in your religion then that should be the end of it. Do you normally get pissed at everyone that does not follow what you follow?

4.) If you argue with point number 3 and say that marriage is a religion thing to begin with then should we ban atheist hetro sexuals from being married? I mean they dont follow your point of views also so them being married is an abomination right?

5.) Marriage is more then a ceramony when you get down to it its really just a CONTRACT! Its just saying that your partner is legally allowed to see you in the hospital when sick and take half of your sh*t if you get a divorce. Should we deny people basic rights of marriage like this?

6.) Also please dont give me this bs that gay marriage will be the end of us all. As far as the population goes we are getting over populated and allowing gay marriage will not even let this go on the decline either. Just because you ban gay marriage does not mean your going to ban people from being gay Gay people will still fall in love with people of the same sex and not turn straight just because you banned their right to marriage.

7.) No people of the same sex cant reproduce but they surly can adopt. Also as pointed out before gay people are BORN gay so just because they adopt kids does NOT mean they will turn the kids gay There are plently of children adopted by same sex parents that are still straight

8.) this is basically just restating point number one so MIND YOUR OWN MOTHER F*CKING BUSINESS! There is no way shape or form that two same sex people getting married will effect any one of us. Let people be happy and that will be the end of it.

BreakingDeath

Let me put my slippery slope goggles on for a second.

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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"] You know what's funny? Your last statement. The "happy" part. Not because it seemed like a pun, but because it's a very narrow-minded statement. What's your stance on incest, pedophilia, and bestiality? As long as their happy, and it's "not hurting anyone", go for it! Right?BreakingDeath

Children and animals cannot give consent. This is the most fallacious argument possible on the subject, yet it continues to be invoked to the point of nausea.

Are you f*cking serious? A child is someone who has not yet reached puberty. And I didn't comment on the incest part because if a brother and sister, both adults, down in Tennessee want to go at it it's no concern of mine.

Yep.

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Children and animals cannot give consent. This is the most fallacious argument possible on the subject, yet it continues to be invoked to the point of nausea.

worlock77

Are you f*cking serious? A child is someone who has not yet reached puberty. And I didn't comment on the incest part because if a brother and sister, both adults, down in Tennessee want to go at it it's no concern of mine.

Yep.

jimkabrhel

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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"] I made that argument regarding their last statement. That depends: what age do you consider to be a child? I like how you didn't even comment about the incest part, though. BreakingDeath

Are you f*cking serious? A child is someone who has not yet reached puberty. And I didn't comment on the incest part because if a brother and sister, both adults, down in Tennessee want to go at it it's no concern of mine.

No, a post-pubescent person is not a child. A man could have sex with a 16 year-old girl and be punished maybe. Different states have differnent laws. In some states the age of consent is 18, in some it's 17, in some it is 16, and may have variable laws depending on factors such as age difference between the two parties, parental consent, etc. Try not speaking while ignorant. It'll help your argument. And no, so long as both are consenting adults I do not.

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Are you f*cking serious? A child is someone who has not yet reached puberty. And I didn't comment on the incest part because if a brother and sister, both adults, down in Tennessee want to go at it it's no concern of mine.

worlock77

No, a post-pubescent person is not a child. A man could have sex with a 16 year-old girl and be punished maybe. Different states have differnent laws. In some states the age of consent is 18, in some it's 17, in some it is 16, and may have variable laws depending on factors such as age difference between the two parties, parental consent, etc. Try not speaking while ignorant. It'll help your argument. And no, so long as both are consenting adults I do not.

Relevant.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"] I am serious. No, it's not. A man could have sex with a 16-year-old girl and under law, would be punished for it. You're telling me a 16-year-old girl cannot give her consent? And she sure as hell went through puberty! I'm talking about in general. Do you see anything wrong with incest? BreakingDeath

No, a post-pubescent person is not a child. A man could have sex with a 16 year-old girl and be punished maybe. Different states have differnent laws. In some states the age of consent is 18, in some it's 17, in some it is 16, and may have variable laws depending on factors such as age difference between the two parties, parental consent, etc. Try not speaking while ignorant. It'll help your argument. And no, so long as both are consenting adults I do not.

Oh wow, you picked up on a single typo and refuted my entire argument!

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

No, a post-pubescent person is not a child. A man could have sex with a 16 year-old girl and be punished maybe. Different states have differnent laws. In some states the age of consent is 18, in some it's 17, in some it is 16, and may have variable laws depending on factors such as age difference between the two parties, parental consent, etc. Try not speaking while ignorant. It'll help your argument. And no, so long as both are consenting adults I do not.

worlock77

Oh wow, you picked up on a single typo and refuted my entire argument!

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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"] They are not a child, but they are treated as one when it comes to consent. Yeah, I know. I advise you to do the same, seeing as though it's "different", not "differnent". Good day to you, sir. :)BreakingDeath

Oh wow, you picked up on a single typo and refuted my entire argument!

No, they are not treated as a child, they just can't legally consent. Those two things are not mutually inclusive. A 40 year old man who cannot read, for example, could be argued to be unable to consent to a written contract, but this does not equal treating him as a child.

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Oh wow, you picked up on a single typo and refuted my entire argument!

worlock77

No, they are not treated as a child, they just can't legally consent. Those two things are not mutually inclusive. A 40 year old man who cannot read, for example, could be argued to be unable to consent to a written contract, but this does not equal treating him as a child.