Obama Declares support for same-sex marriage.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] As is mine. I was hoping to get a better bead on where you were coming from, but from what I know of section 3 is basically declares that same-sex marriages are not recognized for federal purposes (including taxes, amongst other things). Ncsoftlover

Let's just give gay couples the same benefits that marriage couples get then. Then there would be no gay marriage debate at all, everyone would get the same rights and benefits without changing the term. Straights would keep their marriges and gays would keep their unions with all the benefits of marriage. Everyone wins.

Of course one could argue this being a case of seperate but equal....but I don't think it's as bad as that.

Denmark has exactly that, and it's going to change to same sex marriage this coming june, UK has exactly that, and is planning to legalize same sex marriage before next general election, civil union is more of less a stepping stone toward true marriage equality, but it's nothing more than just a stage.

Until true equality has been reached, people will not and should not be satisfied, same sex marriage has been legal here in Canada since 2005, the country is functioning just fine. If people are going to agree with civil union granting all the rights to gay couples, I wonder what's stopping them from extending this concept of marriage to gay couples, there's no logical explanation other than them thinking same sex relationships are worth less than heterosexual relations.

The world wouldn't end, gay people getting married isn't going to blow us up. I know that. However for me personally I disagree with their lifestyle, but I want them to have the same rights. If they were to get married I wouldn't be upset about it, I just wouldn't go to a gay wedding because I don't believe in it.

No I'm not a bigot, I want gay people to live their lives as equals just like everyone else. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their personal lifestyle.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Let's just give gay couples the same benefits that marriage couples get then. Then there would be no gay marriage debate at all, everyone would get the same rights and benefits without changing the term. Straights would keep their marriges and gays would keep their unions with all the benefits of marriage. Everyone wins.

Of course one could argue this being a case of seperate but equal....but I don't think it's as bad as that.

ShadowMoses900

Denmark has exactly that, and it's going to change to same sex marriage this coming june, UK has exactly that, and is planning to legalize same sex marriage before next general election, civil union is more of less a stepping stone toward true marriage equality, but it's nothing more than just a stage.

Until true equality has been reached, people will not and should not be satisfied, same sex marriage has been legal here in Canada since 2005, the country is functioning just fine. If people are going to agree with civil union granting all the rights to gay couples, I wonder what's stopping them from extending this concept of marriage to gay couples, there's no logical explanation other than them thinking same sex relationships are worth less than heterosexual relations.

The world wouldn't end, gay people getting married isn't going to blow us up. I know that. However for me personally I disagree with their lifestyle, but I want them to have the same rights. If they were to get married I wouldn't be upset about it, I just wouldn't go to a gay wedding because I don't believe in it.

No I'm not a bigot, I want gay people to live their lives as equals just like everyone else. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their personal lifestyle.

I understand, but still, like I said, having civil union completely equal to marriage does not silent any debate, but having marriage equality put an end to the ongoing debate, like in Canada, there's not a debate on same sex marriage since 2008, now it's such a normal part of our society, no one even cares to question it.

Even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, the truth remains that there's no logical argument against same sex marriage, because religious morality (or other moralities) can not be used to dictate others' lives, so as long as personal opinions stay as personal opinions, of course that should be tolerated, but I have no problems calling out the fact there's not one single logical argument against same sex marriage.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

Denmark has exactly that, and it's going to change to same sex marriage this coming june, UK has exactly that, and is planning to legalize same sex marriage before next general election, civil union is more of less a stepping stone toward true marriage equality, but it's nothing more than just a stage.

Until true equality has been reached, people will not and should not be satisfied, same sex marriage has been legal here in Canada since 2005, the country is functioning just fine. If people are going to agree with civil union granting all the rights to gay couples, I wonder what's stopping them from extending this concept of marriage to gay couples, there's no logical explanation other than them thinking same sex relationships are worth less than heterosexual relations.

Ncsoftlover

The world wouldn't end, gay people getting married isn't going to blow us up. I know that. However for me personally I disagree with their lifestyle, but I want them to have the same rights. If they were to get married I wouldn't be upset about it, I just wouldn't go to a gay wedding because I don't believe in it.

No I'm not a bigot, I want gay people to live their lives as equals just like everyone else. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their personal lifestyle.

I understand, but still, like I said, having civil union completely equal to marriage does not silent any debate, but having marriage equality put an end to the ongoing debate, like in Canada, there's not a debate on same sex marriage since 2008, now it's such a normal part of our society, no one even cares to question it.

Even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, the truth remains that there's no logical argument against same sex marriage, because religious morality (or other moralities) can not be used to dictate others' lives, so as long as personal opinions stay as personal opinions, of course that should be tolerated, but I have no problems calling out the fact there's not one single logical argument against same sex marriage.

I however am worried that some gay couples might try to sue churches and or synagouges ect...that choose not to ordain their marriage. I personally know some gay people that are pretty extreame about it and they often get preachy with their beliefs. It's not all gay people of course, but I know quite a few that are pretty pushy about it.

There should be some legal lines that can't be allowed to be abused is the point I'm trying to make.

I however am worried that some gay couples might try to sue churches and or synagouges ect...that choose not to ordain their marriage. I personally know some gay people that are pretty extreame about it and they often get preachy with their beliefs. It's not all gay people of course, but I know quite a few that are pretty pushy about it.

There should be some legal lines that can't be allowed to be abused is the point I'm trying to make.

ShadowMoses900

Of the arguments against gay marriage this is one of the most ridiculous. Churches aren't obligated to perform marriage ceremonies as it is. Not for gays, not for heteros, not for members of differing congregations, not even for members of their own congregation. No one. Period.

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The world wouldn't end, gay people getting married isn't going to blow us up. I know that. However for me personally I disagree with their lifestyle, but I want them to have the same rights. If they were to get married I wouldn't be upset about it, I just wouldn't go to a gay wedding because I don't believe in it.

No I'm not a bigot, I want gay people to live their lives as equals just like everyone else. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their personal lifestyle.

ShadowMoses900

I understand, but still, like I said, having civil union completely equal to marriage does not silent any debate, but having marriage equality put an end to the ongoing debate, like in Canada, there's not a debate on same sex marriage since 2008, now it's such a normal part of our society, no one even cares to question it.

Even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, the truth remains that there's no logical argument against same sex marriage, because religious morality (or other moralities) can not be used to dictate others' lives, so as long as personal opinions stay as personal opinions, of course that should be tolerated, but I have no problems calling out the fact there's not one single logical argument against same sex marriage.

I however am worried that some gay couples might try to sue churches and or synagouges ect...that choose not to ordain their marriage. I personally know some gay people that are pretty extreame about it and they often get preachy with their beliefs. It's not all gay people of course, but I know quite a few that are pretty pushy about it.

There should be some legal lines that can't be allowed to be abused is the point I'm trying to make.

I'm actually not aware of any countries that legalized same sex marriage forces churchs to host same sex marriage, though in those countries, lots of church voluntarily do so. Tolerance works both ways, if same sex couples are not denied the right of marriage, meaning people are not allows to force their morality on others, then with the same reasoning, of course the gay extremist (if they even exist) cannot force their views on the churches, so I don't see how legalizing same sex marriage, will lead to forcing churches conducting same sex marriage. But I imagine, as a society becomes more progressive, religions that constantly reinvent themselves to get on with the time, will simply do so again, likely no force is needed. But yeah, churches should not be forced to conduct same sex marriage, I think this has been upheld pretty well in countries that legalized same sex marriage.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

I understand, but still, like I said, having civil union completely equal to marriage does not silent any debate, but having marriage equality put an end to the ongoing debate, like in Canada, there's not a debate on same sex marriage since 2008, now it's such a normal part of our society, no one even cares to question it.

Even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, the truth remains that there's no logical argument against same sex marriage, because religious morality (or other moralities) can not be used to dictate others' lives, so as long as personal opinions stay as personal opinions, of course that should be tolerated, but I have no problems calling out the fact there's not one single logical argument against same sex marriage.

Ncsoftlover

I however am worried that some gay couples might try to sue churches and or synagouges ect...that choose not to ordain their marriage. I personally know some gay people that are pretty extreame about it and they often get preachy with their beliefs. It's not all gay people of course, but I know quite a few that are pretty pushy about it.

There should be some legal lines that can't be allowed to be abused is the point I'm trying to make.

I'm actually not aware of any countries that legalized same sex marriage forces churchs to host same sex marriage, though in those countries, lots of church voluntarily do so. Tolerance works both ways, if same sex couples are not denied the right of marriage, meaning people are not allows to force their morality on others, then with the same reasoning, of course the gay extremist (if they even exist) cannot force their views on the churches, so I don't see how legalizing same sex marriage, will lead to forcing churches conducting same sex marriage. But I imagine, as a society becomes more progressive, religions that constantly reinvent themselves to get on with the time, will simply do so again, likely no force is needed. But yeah, churches should not be forced to conduct same sex marriage, I think this has been upheld pretty well in countries that legalized same sex marriage.

That was my point basically. Ultimately though it's not that big of a deal really, gay people are a very small population, so it's not like letting them get married would make it more common. It wouldn't really change anything.

And there are some gay extreamists out there, I know a lesbian couple that HATE men, like completely. I also know a gay man who calls people bigots just because they won't hang out with him at gay bars. They do exist. But they are not the majority.

This doesn't sound good.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]F*cking finally. Next on the table: legislation of marijuana and the ending of the drug war If Obama pulls these two things off AND gets reelected PLUS killing Osama, he could be the greatest president in history.Wasdie

I love how everybody gives him credit for that. Not like we worked for 7 years before hand to find him. I'm sure all of those soliders who fought in Tora Borra kind of disagree when people say he killed Osama.

No president "killed" Obama. It was the soldiers and their commanding officers who did the work. They deserve the credit.

He gave the order to kill Obama using SEAL Team 6 instead of doing an air strike like the Defense Secratary was insisting. He is the one who put the order in to use the Seal Team, for that he get's credit, if it went horribly wrong, he would have been blamed for it, since it didn't then he should get at least credit for putting in the order to use the SEAL TEAM.

you know, I find it funny (not in a ha-ha sense) that people want to protect marriage by outlawing gay marriage, but don't see the need to protect marriage from divorce, or weddings like the Kardashian/whats-his-face NBA player wedding, or whatever.

Any sanctity that marriage had died a long time ago.

Ring_of_fire

what are you talking about?

this is what sanctity is all about.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

you know, I find it funny (not in a ha-ha sense) that people want to protect marriage by outlawing gay marriage, but don't see the need to protect marriage from divorce, or weddings like the Kardashian/whats-his-face NBA player wedding, or whatever.

Any sanctity that marriage had died a long time ago.

Serraph105

what are you talking about?

this is what sanctity is all about.

What's wrong with a wedding kegstand?

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

you know, I find it funny (not in a ha-ha sense) that people want to protect marriage by outlawing gay marriage, but don't see the need to protect marriage from divorce, or weddings like the Kardashian/whats-his-face NBA player wedding, or whatever.

Any sanctity that marriage had died a long time ago.

what are you talking about?

this is what sanctity is all about.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

you know, I find it funny (not in a ha-ha sense) that people want to protect marriage by outlawing gay marriage, but don't see the need to protect marriage from divorce, or weddings like the Kardashian/whats-his-face NBA player wedding, or whatever.

Any sanctity that marriage had died a long time ago.

Serraph105

what are you talking about?

this is what sanctity is all about.

I think this pic made my day. I would also like to add all those people who get drunk and then get married in Las Vegas and then get divorced the next day.

I personally would try to sanctify my marriage God willing, if I do get married and not be another Kardashian type of marriage.

Who fvking cares

What a weird society we live in where Obesity is justified by genetics and Homosexuality is accused of choice....Nuck81

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]What a weird society we live in where Obesity is justified by genetics and Homosexuality is accused of choice....-Sun_Tzu-

Took him long enough to decide.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]F*cking finally. Next on the table: legislation of marijuana and the ending of the drug war If Obama pulls these two things off AND gets reelected PLUS killing Osama, he could be the greatest president in history.Wasdie

I love how everybody gives him credit for that. Not like we worked for 7 years before hand to find him. I'm sure all of those soliders who fought in Tora Borra kind of disagree when people say he killed Osama.

No president "killed" Obama. It was the soldiers and their commanding officers who did the work. They deserve the credit.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

you know, I find it funny (not in a ha-ha sense) that people want to protect marriage by outlawing gay marriage, but don't see the need to protect marriage from divorce, or weddings like the Kardashian/whats-his-face NBA player wedding, or whatever.

Any sanctity that marriage had died a long time ago.

Serraph105

what are you talking about?

this is what sanctity is all about.

God damn queers!

It's a slippery slope, next thing you know kettles will be marrying aborted featuses!

I respect him for that.

sonicare

To quote Joe Biden: "This is a big f*cking deal."SteverXIII

Holy f**k your sig! lol what is it from?

Also, good on him /thread.

Obama is trying to cripple America and rape it of its integrity. "If Mexico is gods blind spot, America is going to be a god-forsaken land".

Personally I am tired of wasting time on trivial bull**** like gay marriage when we have far more important issues at hand.

Obama is trying to cripple America and rape it of its integrity. "If Mexico is gods blind spot, America is going to be a god-forsaken land".

roleplayer2004

Only if it's opposite day.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Even if you don't like gays or think marriage is only for a man and woman and sh*t like that, how can you even care enough to be bothered about it?? I don't understand. You don't have to like it but why do you care? You're not involved in the marriage in any way.

themajormayor

FINALLY.

So tired of fence-sitters who won't committ to anything 100% for fear of losing votes.

It's about time Liberals had a definitive & clear cause to support. And now the President of the USA himself is behind it.

Thumbs Up, Mr. President!

Obama is trying to cripple America and rape it of its integrity. "If Mexico is gods blind spot, America is going to be a god-forsaken land".

roleplayer2004

Can't tell if serious or not...

/sips coffee

I hope his flip-floppiness blows up in his face. :DThe-Apostle

Good for Obama, gay marriage should be adopted. Never understood why people oppose it, well I guess its cause the 'scriptures don't support it.' (basing your morals on a two thousand year old book is apparently a smart idea).

It's too bad this is big news. musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]It's too bad this is big news. toast_burner

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"]Wow, big announcement from Obama. I'm happy for this news, but I'm worried that it might hurt Obama's chances in November. I used to be on the fence about gay marriage, but then I realized that with all the sexual immorality in our culture, the act of two people of the same gender committing to a monogamous relationship should be the least of our concerns.Ring_of_fire

It may actually help with some independents, and I will energize part of the base. It's obvious that Obama is all for equality and increasing rights, while Mitt Romney and the GOP are for taking them away.

RIGHTIES: The only reason Obama made this statement is to deflect from important issues like jobs and the economy, which you can defeat him on. Mostly because when you people start speaking about how you're against gay marriage it makes you look like a bunch of stupid bigots. YOU FELL FOR THE TRAP! Effing idiots...DaBrainz

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]Wow, big announcement from Obama. I'm happy for this news, but I'm worried that it might hurt Obama's chances in November. I used to be on the fence about gay marriage, but then I realized that with all the sexual immorality in our culture, the act of two people of the same gender committing to a monogamous relationship should be the least of our concerns.jimkabrhel

It may actually help with some independents, and I will energize part of the base. It's obvious that Obama is all for equality and increasing rights, while Mitt Romney and the GOP are for taking them away.

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]RIGHTIES: The only reason Obama made this statement is to deflect from important issues like jobs and the economy, which you can defeat him on. Mostly because when you people start speaking about how you're against gay marriage it makes you look like a bunch of stupid bigots. YOU FELL FOR THE TRAP! Effing idiots...Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]RIGHTIES: The only reason Obama made this statement is to deflect from important issues like jobs and the economy, which you can defeat him on. Mostly because when you people start speaking about how you're against gay marriage it makes you look like a bunch of stupid bigots. YOU FELL FOR THE TRAP! Effing idiots...DaBrainz