Occupy Wall Street being ousted RIGHT NOW

What I want to know if OTs conservatives agree with one OWS stance which is rooting crony capitalism out of our government.

to those calling OWS rats and whatnot, please stop watching CNN and Fox. Do you really expect corporations (Cnn and Fox) who make all their money off ads for drug, insurance, bank, oil companies to accuratley report whats going on in the protests, that are protesting the power and influence of the corporations in the government??? Really? Really???? Just ask yourself that question.

to those calling OWS rats and whatnot, please stop watching CNN and Fox. Do you really expect corporations (Cnn and Fox) who make all their money off ads for drug, insurance, bank, oil companies to accuratley report whats going on in the protests, that are protesting the power and influence of the corporations in the government??? Really? Really???? Just ask yourself that question.

BossPerson

What news site is reporting accurately what is going on? What about NY Times, USA Today, WSJ, or NY Post?

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

to those calling OWS rats and whatnot, please stop watching CNN and Fox. Do you really expect corporations (Cnn and Fox) who make all their money off ads for drug, insurance, bank, oil companies to accuratley report whats going on in the protests, that are protesting the power and influence of the corporations in the government??? Really? Really???? Just ask yourself that question.

flazzle

What news site is reporting accurately what is going on? What about NY Times, USA Today, WSJ, or NY Post?

What I want to know if OTs conservatives agree with one OWS stance which is rooting crony capitalism out of our government.

DroidPhysX

Yes. Which is another reason why I'm against Obama.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

to those calling OWS rats and whatnot, please stop watching CNN and Fox. Do you really expect corporations (Cnn and Fox) who make all their money off ads for drug, insurance, bank, oil companies to accuratley report whats going on in the protests, that are protesting the power and influence of the corporations in the government??? Really? Really???? Just ask yourself that question.

BossPerson

What news site is reporting accurately what is going on? What about NY Times, USA Today, WSJ, or NY Post?

So it's a conspiracy on proper reporting...

Im not sure if they are or arent, i dont read those papers. But... the news media is ocnstantly saying that these people are "unorganized" and "without a leader" their ignoring the simple demand thats existent across all these protests. Get corporate money out of politics. honestyl w/e u are, conservative, lib, black, white w/e..if you dont agre with that goal then ur idiots.

BossPerson

They also want all debt forgiven.

Tell you what, when labor unions are forbidden from donating to campaigns, then I'll agree with forbidding corporations from donating.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

Im not sure if they are or arent, i dont read those papers. But... the news media is ocnstantly saying that these people are "unorganized" and "without a leader" their ignoring the simple demand thats existent across all these protests. Get corporate money out of politics. honestyl w/e u are, conservative, lib, black, white w/e..if you dont agre with that goal then ur idiots.

airshocker

They also want all debt forgiven.

Tell you what, when labor unions are forbidden from donating to campaigns, then I'll agree with forbidding corporations from donating.

What I want to know if OTs conservatives agree with one OWS stance which is rooting crony capitalism out of our government.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

What news site is reporting accurately what is going on? What about NY Times, USA Today, WSJ, or NY Post?

flazzle

So it's a conspiracy on proper reporting...

Understand that any super theoretical theory of how to govern, whether absolute communism or capitalism, will not work. It goes without saying that you need some economic freedom and some government interention, otherwise we are free to opress others with our money without limit, just like we could opress others with physical power before states were formed. I see no difference between economic opression, which contros the means to live, and physical opression, which also controls the means to live. Absolute capitalism leads to economic oppression and absolute communism leads to physical oppression. Although both do lead to both physical and economic oppression (e.g, dying because you cant pay a med bill)

i honestly cant see what the whole worlds fighting about. Are we that dumb to claim "no! this extreme is 100% right" and "Noooo! THIS extreme is 100% right!"

Grow up humankind. Grow the **** up and move on. How many times have we been proven? Anything in its extreme is not going to work at all! PLease, grow up and move on..there isnt much time before we all blow outselves to pieces.

i honestly cant see what the whole worlds fighting about. Are we that dumb to claim "no! this extreme is 100% right" and "Noooo! THIS extreme is 100% right!"

Grow up humankind. Grow the **** up and move on. How many times have we been proven? Anything in its extreme is not going to work at all! PLease, grow up and move on..there isnt much time before we all blow outselves to pieces.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

i honestly cant see what the whole worlds fighting about. Are we that dumb to claim "no! this extreme is 100% right" and "Noooo! THIS extreme is 100% right!"

Grow up humankind. Grow the **** up and move on. How many times have we been proven? Anything in its extreme is not going to work at all! PLease, grow up and move on..there isnt much time before we all blow outselves to pieces.

SavageKantus

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the First Ammendment allow for peaceful protesting?

Like I said before these people don't know how to protest. Right now they are nothing more than highly misinformed anarchists and will be treated as such. Until they manage to have 1 (YES ONE) rally without multiple people breaking the law then they won't be taken seriously.

And again those lazy bums need to stand on their feet and leave the tents at home since they don't understand what a permit is, don't understad the concept of private property and they think anything and everything is their "right."

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the First Ammendment allow for peaceful protesting?

Vesica_Prime

Yes. [Right to assembly?] Unfortunately these protests have been anything but peaceful.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the First Ammendment allow for peaceful protesting?

anthonycg

Yes. [Right to assembly?] Unfortunately these protests have been anything but peaceful.

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the First Ammendment allow for peaceful protesting?

BossPerson

Yes. [Right to assembly?] Unfortunately these protests have been anything but peaceful.

No I have something called objectivity that prevents me form hurling insults at people that disagree with me. It's a wonderful thing. GET SOME or you won't be taken seriously. Zucotti park is not the ONLY incident of this first off. There's even crap like this going on in Australia and other countries.

And then you say a couple of bad apples?? You yourself just admitted to the creation of mobs after arrests. Does that not insinuate more than a few bad apples? At that point everything you stand for is meaningless and you are nothing more than a criminal. That's the problem with these people. They are easily provoked and are easy to get rid of in turn. The protests need to remain peaceful regardless. If you wanna mob then you're going to get shot. Period. A mob and a peaceful protest are not the same my friend.

An example of a peaceful protest would be a bunch of people walking down the Washington Mall with picket signs and megaphones. See now that you're at PUBLIC PROPERTY the cops can't do anything but stand there. And some of these punks are intimidated by even that!

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

Yes. [Right to assembly?] Unfortunately these protests have been anything but peaceful.

anthonycg

No I have something called objectivity that prevents me form hurling insults at people that disagree with me. It's a wonderful thing. GET SOME or you won't be taken seriously. Zucotti park is not the ONLY incident of this first off. There's even crap like this going on in Australia and other countries.

And then you say a couple of bad apples?? You yourself just admitted to the creation of mobs after arrests. Does that not insinuate more than a few bad apples? At that point everything you stand for is meaningless and you are nothing more than a criminal. That's the problem with these people. They are easily provoked and are easy to get rid of in turn. The protests need to remain peaceful regardless. If you wanna mob then you're going to get shot. Period. A mob and a peaceful protest are not the same my friend.

An example of a peaceful protest would be a bunch of people walking down the Washington Mall with picket signs and megaphones. See now that you're at PUBLIC PROPERTY the cops can't do anything but stand there. And some of these punks are intimidated by even that!

This had to end at some point, but shame that the government will spend more effort trying to convince people that society is perfect the way it is right now rather than take note of the things that should be changed.

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]where did u get this info? Theres been a couple bad apples, but its the police who show up with their riot shields shooting people in the face with tear gas canisters. It doesnt become a raging mob until they are instigated, and even then they just try to stand their ground. There have been no reports of asault on police or on civilians. And btw, they are protesting on public property. Zucotti park is a "privately owned public space" that is maintained by NYC sanitation on the taxpayer's dime. Does ur dad work at Goldman Sachs or something?

BossPerson

No I have something called objectivity that prevents me form hurling insults at people that disagree with me. It's a wonderful thing. GET SOME or you won't be taken seriously. Zucotti park is not the ONLY incident of this first off. There's even crap like this going on in Australia and other countries.

And then you say a couple of bad apples?? You yourself just admitted to the creation of mobs after arrests. Does that not insinuate more than a few bad apples? At that point everything you stand for is meaningless and you are nothing more than a criminal. That's the problem with these people. They are easily provoked and are easy to get rid of in turn. The protests need to remain peaceful regardless. If you wanna mob then you're going to get shot. Period. A mob and a peaceful protest are not the same my friend.

An example of a peaceful protest would be a bunch of people walking down the Washington Mall with picket signs and megaphones. See now that you're at PUBLIC PROPERTY the cops can't do anything but stand there. And some of these punks are intimidated by even that!

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Gas the bastards and move in with the rubber bullets. Their silly little movement should have come to an end weeks ago.

QuistisTrepe_

These whiny little ******* are a pestilence. I have to put up with these punks here in Oakland. And what I get are disease-ridden, smelly hippies infesting my neighborhood, committing vandalism of small businesses (I guess they're the evil 1% too), theft, and violent crime (despite what you've been hearing about their allegedly peaceful demonstrations). They're not achieving anything, they're costing us millions for law enforcement sweeping the city, dispersing their encampments and bringing small businesses to a standstill with all the ruckus, interfering with mass transit, while drawing lawless lunatics from all corners of the Bay Area.

I want these people gone by any means necessary. They've had their say, the party is over. This isn't about ideology, it's about returning to civilized society.

this how you feel about ghandi then.. GHANDI of all people..

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the First Ammendment allow for peaceful protesting?

anthonycg

Yes. [Right to assembly?] Unfortunately these protests have been anything but peaceful.

actually theyve been quite peaceful its the cops that have gone and turned them violent what with the police beatings at berkley, the dead marine in oakland, and the old lady that got mauled by a guard dog for no reason as she left a bank in new york (i can provide you with the sources for all these). so yeah stop getting crazy at the occupiers.. instead scold the GD police and thier corrupt masters.. these arent police anymore their thugs with uniforms, badges and the right to carry guns.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

No I have something called objectivity that prevents me form hurling insults at people that disagree with me. It's a wonderful thing. GET SOME or you won't be taken seriously. Zucotti park is not the ONLY incident of this first off. There's even crap like this going on in Australia and other countries.

And then you say a couple of bad apples?? You yourself just admitted to the creation of mobs after arrests. Does that not insinuate more than a few bad apples? At that point everything you stand for is meaningless and you are nothing more than a criminal. That's the problem with these people. They are easily provoked and are easy to get rid of in turn. The protests need to remain peaceful regardless. If you wanna mob then you're going to get shot. Period. A mob and a peaceful protest are not the same my friend.

An example of a peaceful protest would be a bunch of people walking down the Washington Mall with picket signs and megaphones. See now that you're at PUBLIC PROPERTY the cops can't do anything but stand there. And some of these punks are intimidated by even that!

anthonycg

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Firstly, you are the ones calling them lazy bums, you have no objectivity. Secondly, the protests were peaceful until the cops showed up and made hundreds of arrests and started whipping ppl with batons. Is it wrong for people to get a little rowdy at the face of an incoming rubber bullet? What do you expect? All of these protests are peaceful until the cops started using violence. Go to youtube, type "occupy protestor rubber bullet" and go to the second vid around 35 seconds. And then try to deny what i just said

BossPerson

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

here here way to drop it like a BAWS

http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/15/apb-reloaded-encourages-you-to-be-all-you-cant-be/

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

ionusX

here here way to drop it like a BAWS

http://www.vg247.com/2011/11/15/apb-reloaded-encourages-you-to-be-all-you-cant-be/

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Firstly, you are the ones calling them lazy bums, you have no objectivity. Secondly, the protests were peaceful until the cops showed up and made hundreds of arrests and started whipping ppl with batons. Is it wrong for people to get a little rowdy at the face of an incoming rubber bullet? What do you expect? All of these protests are peaceful until the cops started using violence. Go to youtube, type "occupy protestor rubber bullet" and go to the second vid around 35 seconds. And then try to deny what i just said

BossPerson

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

Objectivity... I don't relate to any of the things you've whined about at all bro. In fact I even said that I was behind OWS. Or did you just not read that. I was at OccupyDC at the start and somehow I didn't get arrested. But then again I'm a level 9 super duper paratrooper so I wouldn't try that if I were you...

What does population control have to do with anything? Are you trying to rationalize illegal activity because a lot of people showed up? In fact the high poulation is one of the reasons that the cops are forced into the guns in the first place. Imagine even 1000 people getting provoked breaking windows? no kind of cop kung fu is going to keep that down. This has nothing to do with hipsterness. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A HIPSTER IS. Seriously I don't know nor do I care. Is this some MTV thing? I haven't watched TV for two years now so sorry if this is important... And get out of here with that "you Americans crap." Ruinning out of rational things to say? Boo hoo!!! I wonder what other horrible, unrelated incident you'll bring up since you are failing to create rational arguments.

Now breaking windows absolutely hurts your cause. Why? It shows that you are INCAPABLE of peaceful protest when provoked which will be often so if you cant deal now then give up. I have already explained the problems of provocation earlier so you might want to read that instead of skimming for things you think you can attack. You know what breaking windows does? NOTHING! If the government is as corrupt as you say then how is breaking the community in which you live hurt them? Explain that to me because it really makes no sense at all. If they're giving billions of dollars to banks do you think they give a flying #&%# about you breaking some windows? Do you think that attacking 1 bank is going to do something? How naive... In fact I don't see what's stopping them from stealing more of your tax money to "repair the banks which are integral to our country and have been damaged in lieu of the occupy attacks." Oh that sounds bad indeed but is completely possible.

I do find it intersting how you sidestepped all of my points though and reverted to what ifs. I'm giving you cold hard facts. You break the law then you get locked up. Whether you were provoked or not is irrelevant acccording to the law. But then you must know the law to follow it...

They should not be allowed to live on public property trashing it up like they were anyway.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Gas the bastards and move in with the rubber bullets. Their silly little movement should have come to an end weeks ago.

QuistisTrepe_

These whiny little ******* are a pestilence. I have to put up with these punks here in Oakland. And what I get are disease-ridden, smelly hippies infesting my neighborhood, committing vandalism of small businesses (I guess they're the evil 1% too), theft, and violent crime (despite what you've been hearing about their allegedly peaceful demonstrations). They're not achieving anything, they're costing us millions for law enforcement sweeping the city, dispersing their encampments and bringing small businesses to a standstill with all the ruckus, interfering with mass transit, while drawing lawless lunatics from all corners of the Bay Area.

I want these people gone by any means necessary. They've had their say, the party is over. This isn't about ideology, it's about returning to civilized society.

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Advocating authoritarian violence, the forceful revocation of first amendment rights, and a reference to the protesters as a disease.

Because to hell with the first amendment.scorch-62

Yeah! Because saying they can come back, but they can't bring their tents or sleeping bags is really infringing on the first amendment!

Because to hell with the first amendment.scorch-62

exactly wake up people your system has failed oyu and now its going to demonize you.. rise up!

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Advocating authoritarian violence, the forceful revocation of first amendment rights, and a reference to the protesters as a disease.

mattbbpl

Tea partiers are routinely referred to by a derogatory act using the male genitalia. What's wrong with calling the OWS protesters a disease?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Advocating authoritarian violence, the forceful revocation of first amendment rights, and a reference to the protesters as a disease.

airshocker

Tea partiers are routinely referred to by a derogatory act using the male genitalia. What's wrong with calling the OWS protesters a disease?

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

#1 The second you forgo peace all bets are off. If you are dumb enough to be provoked into breaking the law then you get locked up. What are you gonna say? He locked up my buddy so I got mad and started breaking stuff? What? That's what the dirty cops want and these people fall for that stuff so easy it's pathetic. You didn't see MLK doing anything of the sort when he was protesting and he was locked up MULTIPLE times and UNLAWFULLY every time!!By trying to make an example of him not only was the idea to dissuade future protestors but to PROVOKE others into illegal action so they could be locked up. That's how it works. If you get fooled then that's something you need to think about. See when you look at it from the other end you would see these things but you are only interested in YOU YOU YOU. I am 100% behind the idea of Occupy Wall Street but in my opinion the execution is flawed at best.

#2 Who brings a tent to a protest? If I protest I am going to stand on my feet because I want to be taken seriously. I am not their for a cookout and I am not playing uno cards. This is business. You got health problems or can't stand forlong periods of time? There's this amazing thing called a chair that you can sit on when you're tired. I know I'm way out of line here for suggesting this but I will take that risk. What's that? Don't wanna lug a heavy chair around. Never fear: http://www.everywherechair.com/ That lady looks like she's ready to defend her constitution! How about that?

anthonycg

Objectivity... I don't relate to any of the things you've whined about at all bro. In fact I even said that I was behind OWS. Or did you just not read that. I was at OccupyDC at the start and somehow I didn't get arrested. But then again I'm a level 9 super duper paratrooper so I wouldn't try that if I were you...

What does population control have to do with anything? Are you trying to rationalize illegal activity because a lot of people showed up? In fact the high poulation is one of the reasons that the cops are forced into the guns in the first place. Imagine even 1000 people getting provoked breaking windows? no kind of cop kung fu is going to keep that down. This has nothing to do with hipsterness. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A HIPSTER IS. Seriously I don't know nor do I care. Is this some MTV thing? I haven't watched TV for two years now so sorry if this is important... And get out of here with that "you Americans crap." Ruinning out of rational things to say? Boo hoo!!! I wonder what other horrible, unrelated incident you'll bring up since you are failing to create rational arguments.

Now breaking windows absolutely hurts your cause. Why? It shows that you are INCAPABLE of peaceful protest when provoked which will be often so if you cant deal now then give up. I have already explained the problems of provocation earlier so you might want to read that instead of skimming for things you think you can attack. You know what breaking windows does? NOTHING! If the government is as corrupt as you say then how is breaking the community in which you live hurt them? Explain that to me because it really makes no sense at all. If they're giving billions of dollars to banks do you think they give a flying #&%# about you breaking some windows? Do you think that attacking 1 bank is going to do something? How naive... In fact I don't see what's stopping them from stealing more of your tax money to "repair the banks which are integral to our country and have been damaged in lieu of the occupy attacks." Oh that sounds bad indeed but is completely possible.

I do find it intersting how you sidestepped all of my points though and reverted to what ifs. I'm giving you cold hard facts. You break the law then you get locked up. Whether you were provoked or not is irrelevant acccording to the law. But then you must know the law to follow it...

One one hand you support the message of the Occupy movement, but on the other you dismiss them because some windows are broken??? How come you arent angry at the police using unjust force??

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Advocating authoritarian violence, the forceful revocation of first amendment rights, and a reference to the protesters as a disease.

airshocker

Tea partiers are routinely referred to by a derogatory act using the male genitalia. What's wrong with calling the OWS protesters a disease?

Man..... these forums are filled to the brink with brainwashed fox news watching teenagers. Maybe Neogaf has more mature and intellectually sound people

Man..... these forums are filled to the brink with brainwashed fox news watching teenagers. Maybe Neogaf has more mature and intellectually sound people

BossPerson

i know its a darn shame aint it.. there are a few who have "put on the sunglasses" as it were but not enough to start takin over and beyond me few have any rep worth discussing to make that move..

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

I'm not even sure what to say to this. Advocating authoritarian violence, the forceful revocation of first amendment rights, and a reference to the protesters as a disease.

BossPerson

Tea partiers are routinely referred to by a derogatory act using the male genitalia. What's wrong with calling the OWS protesters a disease?

Nope. Just Soros, Acorn, and the union thugs. :D

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Tea partiers are routinely referred to by a derogatory act using the male genitalia. What's wrong with calling the OWS protesters a disease?

Rusteater

Nope. Just Soros, Acorn, and the union thugs. :D

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

Man..... these forums are filled to the brink with brainwashed fox news watching teenagers. Maybe Neogaf has more mature and intellectually sound people

ionusX

i know its a darn shame aint it.. there are a few who have "put on the sunglasses" as it were but not enough to start takin over and beyond me few have any rep worth discussing to make that move..

sounds good. There are better ways to prove a point guys, and I don't know abnout new york, but here Occupy has degenerated into a bunch of pot heads sitting outside the art gallery setting "ceremonial fires", and taking heroin. Already been two deaths because of this here.

sounds good. There are better ways to prove a point guys, and I don't know abnout new york, but here Occupy has degenerated into a bunch of pot heads sitting outside the art gallery setting "ceremonial fires", and taking heroin. Already been two deaths because of this here.

Fundai

I walk by an occupied park every day when I go to work. They have been pretty cordial, but everyday the park looks worse and worse and I really hope they clean it up. It used to be enjoyed by many people in the city, but now no one but them can.

One thing I noticed with mine is that it attracts what appear to be the homeless, or at least the people that would normally ask me for money.

They have a whole table filled with food everyday and I over heard an occupier tell one of the beggars 'We got food if you want. We need the numbers.'

So at least some food is being provided to those that dont normally have it.

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]1st, with a protest of this size you cant control the entire population. There 40-50 000 oakland protestors and there were only a dozen or so reports of vandilism or breaking w/e. And also, just beause their rowdy doesnt dismiss their message. Stop thinking about how hipster they may look and how they may or may not be rowdy or strange for setting up tents and take a second to think about their message and how it relates to you. If corporate money in politics is good for you then good for you, but dont try to disregard someone else's message just because they may break some windows. Funny how the what you Americans call the "savage" arabs were more peaceful in the face of REAL bullets killing their friends and family...they didnt even break any windows (except for burining down the national party hq in cairo, but after 30 yrs of oppression i think thats valid)

BossPerson

Objectivity... I don't relate to any of the things you've whined about at all bro. In fact I even said that I was behind OWS. Or did you just not read that. I was at OccupyDC at the start and somehow I didn't get arrested. But then again I'm a level 9 super duper paratrooper so I wouldn't try that if I were you...

What does population control have to do with anything? Are you trying to rationalize illegal activity because a lot of people showed up? In fact the high poulation is one of the reasons that the cops are forced into the guns in the first place. Imagine even 1000 people getting provoked breaking windows? no kind of cop kung fu is going to keep that down. This has nothing to do with hipsterness. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A HIPSTER IS. Seriously I don't know nor do I care. Is this some MTV thing? I haven't watched TV for two years now so sorry if this is important... And get out of here with that "you Americans crap." Ruinning out of rational things to say? Boo hoo!!! I wonder what other horrible, unrelated incident you'll bring up since you are failing to create rational arguments.

Now breaking windows absolutely hurts your cause. Why? It shows that you are INCAPABLE of peaceful protest when provoked which will be often so if you cant deal now then give up. I have already explained the problems of provocation earlier so you might want to read that instead of skimming for things you think you can attack. You know what breaking windows does? NOTHING! If the government is as corrupt as you say then how is breaking the community in which you live hurt them? Explain that to me because it really makes no sense at all. If they're giving billions of dollars to banks do you think they give a flying #&%# about you breaking some windows? Do you think that attacking 1 bank is going to do something? How naive... In fact I don't see what's stopping them from stealing more of your tax money to "repair the banks which are integral to our country and have been damaged in lieu of the occupy attacks." Oh that sounds bad indeed but is completely possible.

I do find it intersting how you sidestepped all of my points though and reverted to what ifs. I'm giving you cold hard facts. You break the law then you get locked up. Whether you were provoked or not is irrelevant acccording to the law. But then you must know the law to follow it...

One one hand you support the message of the Occupy movement, but on the other you dismiss them because some windows are broken??? How come you arent angry at the police using unjust force??

It's a very simple concept. If you want to win this battle you need to fight smart. The power of the people lies in the constitution. That is the weapon you have. They have guns. If you fight them on that plain you will lose everytime. The very principle of provocation is to force your opponent on to a plain where you have the advantage. If a bunch of people start raging out come the guns and your advantage is gone. Why does this work? A chain is a as strong as it's weakest link. By provoking the squeemish the corrupt ones are able to ultilize their advantage immediately despite the people that are following the rules. Your rights become null when they potentially endanger a citizen. Yelling "fire" in a packed movie theater comes to mind. That is the problem. You have people that don't understand this concept and they will fail repeatedly until they learn it.

You will gain far more by standing your ground, not breaking the law and reporting the ones that are breaking the law. That is pressure. If cops are constantly caught breaking the law then they will be pressed into following the rules themselves. THAT'S what needs to be on youtube. However if you are breaking windows then you will be shot before your message is even delivered. Unfortunately the sound of guns is louder than the sound of your voice. Again that is the advantage they possess and people are easily fooled into allowing it to be utilized. And going into mob mode is hardly going to do anything. Those buildings that get damaged you the taxpayer will pay for, not the government.

It is also faulty logic to assume that all cops are corrupt. They are no different than you. They are just standing on the oppositie side of the fence.

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[QUOTE="anthonycg"]

Objectivity... I don't relate to any of the things you've whined about at all bro. In fact I even said that I was behind OWS. Or did you just not read that. I was at OccupyDC at the start and somehow I didn't get arrested. But then again I'm a level 9 super duper paratrooper so I wouldn't try that if I were you...

What does population control have to do with anything? Are you trying to rationalize illegal activity because a lot of people showed up? In fact the high poulation is one of the reasons that the cops are forced into the guns in the first place. Imagine even 1000 people getting provoked breaking windows? no kind of cop kung fu is going to keep that down. This has nothing to do with hipsterness. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A HIPSTER IS. Seriously I don't know nor do I care. Is this some MTV thing? I haven't watched TV for two years now so sorry if this is important... And get out of here with that "you Americans crap." Ruinning out of rational things to say? Boo hoo!!! I wonder what other horrible, unrelated incident you'll bring up since you are failing to create rational arguments.

Now breaking windows absolutely hurts your cause. Why? It shows that you are INCAPABLE of peaceful protest when provoked which will be often so if you cant deal now then give up. I have already explained the problems of provocation earlier so you might want to read that instead of skimming for things you think you can attack. You know what breaking windows does? NOTHING! If the government is as corrupt as you say then how is breaking the community in which you live hurt them? Explain that to me because it really makes no sense at all. If they're giving billions of dollars to banks do you think they give a flying #&%# about you breaking some windows? Do you think that attacking 1 bank is going to do something? How naive... In fact I don't see what's stopping them from stealing more of your tax money to "repair the banks which are integral to our country and have been damaged in lieu of the occupy attacks." Oh that sounds bad indeed but is completely possible.

I do find it intersting how you sidestepped all of my points though and reverted to what ifs. I'm giving you cold hard facts. You break the law then you get locked up. Whether you were provoked or not is irrelevant acccording to the law. But then you must know the law to follow it...

anthonycg

One one hand you support the message of the Occupy movement, but on the other you dismiss them because some windows are broken??? How come you arent angry at the police using unjust force??

It's a very simple concept. If you want to win this battle you need to fight smart. The power of the people lies in the constitution. That is the weapon you have. They have guns. If you fight them on that plain you will lose everytime. The very principle of provocation is to force your opponent on to a plain where you have the advantage. If a bunch of people start raging out come the guns and your advantage is gone. Why does this work? A chain is a as strong as it's weakest link. By provoking the squeemish the corrupt ones are able to ultilize their advantage immediately despite the people that are following the rules. Your rights become null when they potentially endanger a citizen. Yelling "fire" in a packed movie theater comes to mind. That is the problem. You have people that don't understand this concept and they will fail repeatedly until they learn it.

You will gain far more by standing your ground, not breaking the law and reporting the ones that are breaking the law. That is pressure. If cops are constantly caught breaking the law then they will be pressed into following the rules themselves. THAT'S what needs to be on youtube. However if you are breaking windows then you will be shot before your message is even delivered. Unfortunately the sound of guns is louder than the sound of your voice. Again that is the advantage they possess and people are easily fooled into allowing it to be utilized. And going into mob mode is hardly going to do anything. Those buildings that get damaged you the taxpayer will pay for, not the government.

It is also faulty logic to assume that all cops are corrupt. They are no different than you. They are just standing on the oppositie side of the fence.