Okay Atheists, Where is your Proof that GOD DOESN'T Exist?

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#251 dave123321
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I do not believe God exists because there is no sufficient evidence that it is so. Basically no reason to believe . My personal opinion for clarification . As for the proof , guess there is none.
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#252 Treflis
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Treflis"]A better question is, why do you christians persist to try to convert us by, in this case, indirectly throw up theories in hope that we will think " I've been wrong all along" and thus believe in a higher entity who is supposedly all might and supposedly love us all? It does kinda make your " we believe we should be tolerant of those who are different" kinda moot if you try to rally most who doesn't hold your views in regards of religion under your religion.

I don't expect you to be "Converted" through a forum. I'm just responding to other people.

And my post wasn't targeted towards you directly. It was targeted towards the Thread creator and a question for others to read and reflect upon.
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#253 Gallion-Beast
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[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"] You took my post seriously. :lol: Gabu asked you for proof that physical things cannot exist without a creator and you replied that Gabu's inability to think of an object that has no creator was proof of this. Your "proof" is dependant entirely on the assertion that if Gabu cannot think of an example, it cannot be real.

It's dependent on if he has an example, if he doesn't his argument wont hold up. Since he can't back it up.

Gabu was not presenting a statement and therefore he doesn't need to prove anything. He merely asked if you could prove your statement. Repeatedly telling people that he can't prove your wrong in no way resembles evidence. If you don't have evidence in support of your statement, merely say so instead of pointing out the lack of evidence that you're wrong, which we are already aware of.

Hi Snipes, you clearly missed this through an honest mistake, so I'm reposting it for your convenience. :)
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#254 thriteenthmonke
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "Rather than disprove the Big Bang, the fine-tuning of the universe strongly suggests a level of design not possible by chance. " While it doesn't "Oppose" the Big bang in the sense you are looking for it clearly states there's a Higher being.

No it doesn't.
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#255 _Cadbury_
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Why do we have to believe in something if we can't disprove it? I guess its perfectly acceptable to believe in absolutely everything imaginable then.Snipes_2
Wait...What?

im responding to OP o.o Hes suggesting that because athiests don't believe in god they have to have proof. We have no proof that flying robot unicorns that control people's minds don't exist, so should we believe in those now as well?
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#256 Barbariser
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The burden of proof in nearly all cases lies on the believer (in this case, the Theist) and not the fence-sitter (in most cases an Agnostic Atheist). We do not have to prove that an unproven assumption (that God exists) is wrong. This is basic logic - if you claimed that there was a spacefaring pink elephant at the center of the universe, and I rejected your claim... I wouldn't have to prove you wrong, would I?

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#257 EolGul2
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Snipes, if you have any balls, you should call the Atheist Experience. I'm sure you would completely own them, and it would be on TV. They are on Sunday at 5:30 eastern time and their number is 512-477-2288. Make sure you call them when the show is on.

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#258 TroubleMaker411
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Wow,

this thread is just going around and around in circles now.

I think i have had my fill of religious converstions for one night.

So good night all. if i am ulucky enough not to wake up tomorrow. look at it this way............

at least i'll know if god exists before you do :lol:

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#259 GabuEx
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"Rather than disprove the Big Bang, the fine-tuning of the universe strongly suggests a level of design not possible by chance. " While it doesn't "Oppose" the Big bang in the sense you are looking for it clearly states there's a Higher being.Snipes_2

Oh, OK, that's cool, remember how you said this earlier in this thread?

Tthe Big Bang is based on Ifs, Buts, and Thens. It's a Theory...

Snipes_2

And then remember how you posted these links in opposition to someone saying that the big bang was reliable?

[QUOTE="loquaciousness"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, you argue that it's a fact that this happened and that this theory is without any doubt reliable? Snipes_2

Almost certainly.

http://www.charliewagner.net/big.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/az/BIGBANGisWRONG/

http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/65560-preaching-evolutionism-the-big-bang-theory-dismantled-false.html

Refute these points then please.

And then remember how you reaffirmed that you were posting these in opposition to the big bang?

[QUOTE="loquaciousness"]No. Make an argument, then I'll respond. I don't have time for lazy people googling 'big bang disproved' or something to that effect and crapping the results onto the thread as a response.Snipes_2
Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable.

And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?

And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?

Those were some great times.

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#260 194197844077667059316682358889
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With apologies to rawsavon, GabuEx, my heart is yours Edit: Much more apt image
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#261 LordXelNaga
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Okay Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, Zoroastrains, Taoists, Shamans etc, Where is your Proof that the other GODS DON'T Exist?
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#262 dave123321
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A better question is, why do you christians persist to try to convert us by, in this case, indirectly throw up theories in hope that we will think " I've been wrong all along" and thus believe in a higher entity who is supposedly all might and supposedly love us all? It does kinda make your " we believe we should be tolerant of those who are different" kinda moot if you try to rally most who doesn't hold your views in regards of religion under your religion.Treflis
I see it as a positive thing tbh. They believe in a higher power and are trying to help us find God and such things. Of course there is a point where it crosses a line.
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#263 Teenaged
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What are you doing there Gabu? Stop putting words in his mouth! :x
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#264 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

And then remember how you reaffirmed that you were posting these in opposition to the big bang?

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="loquaciousness"]No. Make an argument, then I'll respond. I don't have time for lazy people googling 'big bang disproved' or something to that effect and crapping the results onto the thread as a response.GabuEx

Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable.

And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?

And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?

Those were some great times.

That thread is hilarious.

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#265 GTbiking4life
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable. GreySeal9

And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?

And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?

Those were some great times.

That thread is hilarious.

So is this thread.

Christians: Prove God doesn't exist!

Atheists: Prove God does exist!

Christians: Prove God doesn't exist!

Atheists: Prove God does exist!

Christians: You have no proof!

Atheists: You have no proof!

This is the life of being an OT poster.

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#266 tocool340
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[QUOTE="Fudgycakes"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

Alright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqsRDD6kXWY

theone86

... Do you truly believe this happened?

Oh god, not this again. Well, this thread has been fun while it lasted, have a good time over the next five hours arguing over whether or not what appears to be a wall bleeding could in fact have been something else.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But please tell me, look at what this host is sitting on:

host

host

host

I've mention this before, but how can you 100% know that there isn't some mechanism behind the host pumping the red liquid threw the host?....

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#267 Treflis
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]A better question is, why do you christians persist to try to convert us by, in this case, indirectly throw up theories in hope that we will think " I've been wrong all along" and thus believe in a higher entity who is supposedly all might and supposedly love us all? It does kinda make your " we believe we should be tolerant of those who are different" kinda moot if you try to rally most who doesn't hold your views in regards of religion under your religion.dave123321
I see it as a positive thing tbh. They believe in a higher power and are trying to help us find God and such things. Of course there is a point where it crosses a line.

It is positive to go up to someone and basically say "Why do you have your belief that is different then mine?, Here now I will tell you why you should have similar beliefs as me"? I think you would get a little irritated if you, say, ate and liked chocolate ice cream and then others came and said "Why are you eating that?, you should eat vanilla instead and this is why..."
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#268 tocool340
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I tried multiple times using Miracles etc...Nothing will sway their view.

Miracles? Such as? Please don't say bleeding host. Given what the object was sitting on, one could definitely say it was rigged....

You believe someone "Rigged" the bleeding host? :?

You believe it COULDN'T have been rigged?...:?
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#269 PernicioEnigma
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I don't have any proof, I also don't have any proof of the spaghetti monster not existing. By the way it's logically impossible to prove "something doesn't exist", you have to be much more specific then that for it to be proved.

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#270 hartsickdiscipl
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I don't see any evidence there is one. There's no photos, only stories.Cloud_765

There are no photos of George Washington either.

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#271 KHAndAnime
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There is no proof that God does not exist. There is also no proof that God does exist. Both Atheism and Religion are ignorant and foolish. Agnosticism for-teh-wan.LiftedHeadshot
Where is your proof that there is no proof?
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#272 tocool340
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[QUOTE="Cloud_765"]I don't see any evidence there is one. There's no photos, only stories.hartsickdiscipl

There are no photos of George Washington either.

Or Jesus either. I guess we can go off paintings though...
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#273 Skullsoldi3r
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Because god in his almighty-ness never does ANYTHING. Where is he to solve conflicts, famine, death? Religion is a joke imo.
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#274 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Cloud_765"]I don't see any evidence there is one. There's no photos, only stories.tocool340

There are no photos of George Washington either.

Or Jesus either. I guess we can go off paintings though...

There are no photos or videos of most things in history. We accept eyewitness and 3rd-party written accounts for the majority of our history, but it's not enough to convince some people that there is a creator. It's a very interesting and contentious subject.

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#275 Silverbond
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Because god in his almighty-ness never does ANYTHING. Where is he to solve conflicts, famine, death?Skullsoldi3r
God cleaning up after us would sort of defeat the purpose of free will.
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#276 hartsickdiscipl
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Because god in his almighty-ness never does ANYTHING. Where is he to solve conflicts, famine, death? Religion is a joke imo.Skullsoldi3r

I don't know about you, but reading and comprehending the Bible was enough to tell me why he doesn't appear to be doing anything right now. It's not that hard a concept.

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#277 super_mario_128
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Those were some great times.

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#278 _Cadbury_
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Who created the 'creator' anyway
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#279 hartsickdiscipl
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Who created the 'creator' anyway_Cadbury_

This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

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#280 _Cadbury_
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl

This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

It was probably just their way of making sense of the world. Think of how much they didn't know.
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl

This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

Shrooms.

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#282 starmetroid
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I don't have your proof, but I do have heat vision, and you can't prove me wrong :P
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#283 x8VXU6
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OK if u dont believe in godthan u dont believe in the after life. So tell me what are ghost then?????

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#284 comp_atkins
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where is the proof unicorns do not exist... :?
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#285 Pika-Chama
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I am not an Atheist, however people have the right to their own beliefs. If they do not believe in a God, then fine. If they do? Okay then. I mean really, even if you are very religious it should not make a difference on how you view that person simply because they are an Atheist, doing otherwise would simply be naive.
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#286 _Cadbury_
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OK if u dont believe in godthan u dont believe in the after life. So tell me what are ghost then?????

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1. - you do not have to believe in god to believe in an after-life. 2. I don't know anyone who believes in ghosts...
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#288 taylor888
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Well, I think that the Bible's origin story and science's origin story don't line up well enough.

I might still believe in God, I dunno, I'm still on the fence.

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#289 poptart
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayjaydough

This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

Shrooms.

Shrooms + double rainbow = epiphany

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#291 Agent-Zero
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It's easier to prove something exists, then not.
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#292 gaming25
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where is the proof unicorns do not exist... :?comp_atkins
not the point of the conversation.
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#293 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl

This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

They didnt spontaneously come up with the idea of a personal God such as the one of Christianity. It all started simple, just like everything.
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#294 Pika-Chama
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OK if u dont believe in godthan u dont believe in the after life. So tell me what are ghost then?????

x8VXU6
You shouldn't be so quick to link God to Ghosts. Oh, by the way ghosts are the soul or spirit of those who are deceased. Yes, they may seem similar, but no. They are not related at all. I actually know a couple Atheists who believe in the afterlife, assumptions clearly aren't always correct.
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#295 Netherscourge
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Aethiests have nothing to prove, because they believe there is nothing there to begin with.

The burden of proof is with the people who believe there IS something there.

"Nothing" is constant. "Something" is dependent.

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#296 comp_atkins
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]where is the proof unicorns do not exist... :?gaming25
not the point of the conversation.

used to illustrate that you cannot provide definitive proof for the absence of something... so yes, it is apt
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#297 coolbeans90
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This topic, again?

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#298 HaloReachGOTY
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lmao at the video

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#299 AgentFreaks
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that video was total lame garbage.

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#300 tocool340
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lmao at the video

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That comment made me lol...:lol: