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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Why do we have to believe in something if we can't disprove it? I guess its perfectly acceptable to believe in absolutely everything imaginable then.Snipes_2Wait...What? im responding to OP o.o Hes suggesting that because athiests don't believe in god they have to have proof. We have no proof that flying robot unicorns that control people's minds don't exist, so should we believe in those now as well?
The burden of proof in nearly all cases lies on the believer (in this case, the Theist) and not the fence-sitter (in most cases an Agnostic Atheist). We do not have to prove that an unproven assumption (that God exists) is wrong. This is basic logic - if you claimed that there was a spacefaring pink elephant at the center of the universe, and I rejected your claim... I wouldn't have to prove you wrong, would I?
Wow,
this thread is just going around and around in circles now.
I think i have had my fill of religious converstions for one night.
So good night all. if i am ulucky enough not to wake up tomorrow. look at it this way............
at least i'll know if god exists before you do :lol:
"Rather than disprove the Big Bang, the fine-tuning of the universe strongly suggests a level of design not possible by chance. " While it doesn't "Oppose" the Big bang in the sense you are looking for it clearly states there's a Higher being.Snipes_2
Oh, OK, that's cool, remember how you said this earlier in this thread?
Tthe Big Bang is based on Ifs, Buts, and Thens. It's a Theory...
Snipes_2
And then remember how you posted these links in opposition to someone saying that the big bang was reliable?
Almost certainly.[QUOTE="loquaciousness"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] So, you argue that it's a fact that this happened and that this theory is without any doubt reliable? Snipes_2
http://www.charliewagner.net/big.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/az/BIGBANGisWRONG/
http://www.usmessageboard.com/science-and-technology/65560-preaching-evolutionism-the-big-bang-theory-dismantled-false.html
Refute these points then please.
And then remember how you reaffirmed that you were posting these in opposition to the big bang?
[QUOTE="loquaciousness"]No. Make an argument, then I'll respond. I don't have time for lazy people googling 'big bang disproved' or something to that effect and crapping the results onto the thread as a response.Snipes_2Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable.
And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?
And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?
Those were some great times.
A better question is, why do you christians persist to try to convert us by, in this case, indirectly throw up theories in hope that we will think " I've been wrong all along" and thus believe in a higher entity who is supposedly all might and supposedly love us all? It does kinda make your " we believe we should be tolerant of those who are different" kinda moot if you try to rally most who doesn't hold your views in regards of religion under your religion.TreflisI see it as a positive thing tbh. They believe in a higher power and are trying to help us find God and such things. Of course there is a point where it crosses a line.
Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
And then remember how you reaffirmed that you were posting these in opposition to the big bang?
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="loquaciousness"]No. Make an argument, then I'll respond. I don't have time for lazy people googling 'big bang disproved' or something to that effect and crapping the results onto the thread as a response.GabuEx
And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?
And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?
Those were some great times.
That thread is hilarious.
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Then you have no time for an argument. You said without a doubt the Big Bang Theory has no flaws and it is totally reliable. GreySeal9
And then remember the time that you completely changed the subject and started making your argument in favor of a higher being instead of against the big bang?
And remember how in this thread you also completely changed your argument in the middle of the conversation and how you also hoped no one would notice?
Those were some great times.
That thread is hilarious.
So is this thread.
Christians: Prove God doesn't exist!
Atheists: Prove God does exist!
Christians: Prove God doesn't exist!
Atheists: Prove God does exist!
Christians: You have no proof!
Atheists: You have no proof!
This is the life of being an OT poster.
... Do you truly believe this happened?[QUOTE="Fudgycakes"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
Alright:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqsRDD6kXWY
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Oh god, not this again. Well, this thread has been fun while it lasted, have a good time over the next five hours arguing over whether or not what appears to be a wall bleeding could in fact have been something else.
Yeah, I know what you mean. But please tell me, look at what this host is sitting on:
I've mention this before, but how can you 100% know that there isn't some mechanism behind the host pumping the red liquid threw the host?....
[QUOTE="Treflis"]A better question is, why do you christians persist to try to convert us by, in this case, indirectly throw up theories in hope that we will think " I've been wrong all along" and thus believe in a higher entity who is supposedly all might and supposedly love us all? It does kinda make your " we believe we should be tolerant of those who are different" kinda moot if you try to rally most who doesn't hold your views in regards of religion under your religion.dave123321I see it as a positive thing tbh. They believe in a higher power and are trying to help us find God and such things. Of course there is a point where it crosses a line. It is positive to go up to someone and basically say "Why do you have your belief that is different then mine?, Here now I will tell you why you should have similar beliefs as me"? I think you would get a little irritated if you, say, ate and liked chocolate ice cream and then others came and said "Why are you eating that?, you should eat vanilla instead and this is why..."
I don't have any proof, I also don't have any proof of the spaghetti monster not existing. By the way it's logically impossible to prove "something doesn't exist", you have to be much more specific then that for it to be proved.
I don't see any evidence there is one. There's no photos, only stories.Cloud_765
There are no photos of George Washington either.
There is no proof that God does not exist. There is also no proof that God does exist. Both Atheism and Religion are ignorant and foolish. Agnosticism for-teh-wan.LiftedHeadshotWhere is your proof that there is no proof?
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"][QUOTE="Cloud_765"]I don't see any evidence there is one. There's no photos, only stories.tocool340
There are no photos of George Washington either.
Or Jesus either. I guess we can go off paintings though...There are no photos or videos of most things in history. We accept eyewitness and 3rd-party written accounts for the majority of our history, but it's not enough to convince some people that there is a creator. It's a very interesting and contentious subject.
Because god in his almighty-ness never does ANYTHING. Where is he to solve conflicts, famine, death?Skullsoldi3rGod cleaning up after us would sort of defeat the purpose of free will.
Because god in his almighty-ness never does ANYTHING. Where is he to solve conflicts, famine, death? Religion is a joke imo.Skullsoldi3r
I don't know about you, but reading and comprehending the Bible was enough to tell me why he doesn't appear to be doing anything right now. It's not that hard a concept.
Who created the 'creator' anyway_Cadbury_
This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.
[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl
This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.
It was probably just their way of making sense of the world. Think of how much they didn't know.[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl
This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.
Shrooms.[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]
[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayjaydough
This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.
Shrooms.Shrooms + double rainbow = epiphany
[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Who created the 'creator' anywayhartsickdiscipl
This is a very valid question. I don't think it's feasible that some primitive humans just randomly came up with the idea. I think they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.
They didnt spontaneously come up with the idea of a personal God such as the one of Christianity. It all started simple, just like everything.You shouldn't be so quick to link God to Ghosts. Oh, by the way ghosts are the soul or spirit of those who are deceased. Yes, they may seem similar, but no. They are not related at all. I actually know a couple Atheists who believe in the afterlife, assumptions clearly aren't always correct.OK if u dont believe in godthan u dont believe in the after life. So tell me what are ghost then?????
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Aethiests have nothing to prove, because they believe there is nothing there to begin with.
The burden of proof is with the people who believe there IS something there.
"Nothing" is constant. "Something" is dependent.
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]where is the proof unicorns do not exist... :?gaming25not the point of the conversation. used to illustrate that you cannot provide definitive proof for the absence of something... so yes, it is apt
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