Only because the issue cannot be ignored, Obesity in America.

BMI fails big time when the so-called "Averge" are all buff in a state. magicalclick

Good thing we can clearly see that isn't the case in the USA.

Now, onto the problem?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :roll: Learn it's proper usage,

and you'll understand my issue with what "SoBaus" and the others people who denounce these graphs as proof.

Nibroc420

whatever your understanding of the BMI is, calculate ronnie coleman's BMI and tell me the result. If hes not obese based on your calculation... ill admit defeat. But show your work.

So its a general metric that doesnt work on pro bodybuilders.... as i originally said? Since most pro bodybuilders would be considered obese.

Remember when i said most pro bodybuilders are considered obese by BMI standards, you said i didnt understand the BMI....?

You still need to explain that.

just admit you are wrong...

Remember when i said most pro bodybuilders are considered obese by BMI standards, you said i didnt understand the BMI....?

You still need to explain that.

SoBaus

To suggest even using BMI on a Body builder, shows your complete lack of understand in it's correct usage. It's like saying "I know what a car is for" and then driving it into a lake...You're not using it right.

I encourage everyone to get weigth training and get buff instead of trying to match BMI. And if you have heavy thick wide bones, I envy you even though you are obese. :oops:

magicalclick

guess im lucky to be obese. Kepp trying, and you can get as morbidly obese s pro bodybuilders.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]Remember when i said most pro bodybuilders are considered obese by BMI standards, you said i didnt understand the BMI....?

You still need to explain that.

Nibroc420

To suggest even using BMI on a Body builder, shows your complete lack of understand in it's correct usage. It's like saying "I know what a car is for" and then driving it into a lake...You're not using it right.

Unless you have a body in the trunk, in which case its the perfect usage.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]Remember when i said most pro bodybuilders are considered obese by BMI standards, you said i didnt understand the BMI....?

You still need to explain that.

Nibroc420

To suggest even using BMI on a Body builder, shows your complete lack of understand in it's correct usage. It's like saying "I know what a car is for" and then driving it into a lake...You're not using it right.

can you not say you were wrong? There is no correct usage, I say im wrong all the time... Are you incapable of admitting you were wrong?

Calipers are a far more accurate measurement.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]There is no correct usageNibroc420

Thats silly, just because you dont understand the correct usage, doesn't mean there isn't one.

If you want to learn it's correct usage, i suggest you try google. However claiming that something isn't there, doesn't make it disappear.

you say pro bodybuilders arent considered obese due to BMI, put up or shutup at this point. This is just stupid... i was correct from the beginning. SHOW ME A PRO BODYBUILDER THAT DOESNT HAVE A BMI AS OBESE OR SHUTUP. You can end the arguement so easily.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]There is no correct usageSoBaus

Thats silly, just because you dont understand the correct usage, doesn't mean there isn't one.

If you want to learn it's correct usage, i suggest you try google. However claiming that something isn't there, doesn't make it disappear.

you say pro bodybuilders arent considered obese due to BMI, put up or shutup at this point. This is just stupid... i was correct from the beginning. SHOW ME A PRO BODYBUILDER THAT DOESNT HAVE A BMI AS OBESE OR SHUTUP.

This arguement:

Person A: This drill doesn't work! It's Broken!

Person B: Howcome?

Person A: I Cant hammer this nail with it.

Person B: A drill wont work when you're trying to hammer nails...

Person A: I know! Thats what i said! The Drill doesn't work!

:roll:

I'll come back later to see if there's any inteligent discussion that relates to the OP.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Thats silly, just because you dont understand the correct usage, doesn't mean there isn't one.

If you want to learn it's correct usage, i suggest you try google. However claiming that something isn't there, doesn't make it disappear.

Nibroc420

you say pro bodybuilders arent considered obese due to BMI, put up or shutup at this point. This is just stupid... i was correct from the beginning. SHOW ME A PRO BODYBUILDER THAT DOESNT HAVE A BMI AS OBESE OR SHUTUP.

So lets make sure this statement is correct. When i said pro bodybuilders are considered obese by the BMI... and you said i was wrong, because i dont understand BMI. YOU ARE CORRECT.

I just want this on the record. Even though, you have no way to prove me wrong... you just feel it. Because all pro bodybuilders are considered obese by BMI standards... but it doesnt matter if facts back me... you have blind belief.

ANd with your masterful understanding of BMI, you also cant show that a single pro bodybuilder is less than obese under bmi.

Stop fighting! You are disturbing my calm.

Your both wrong anyway, BMI is just a way of getting from A to B

ANd with your masterful understanding of BMI, you also cant show that a single pro bodybuilder is less than obese under bmi.

SoBaus

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]ANd with your masterful understanding of BMI, you also cant show that a single pro bodybuilder is less than obese under bmi.

Nibroc420

you are also trying to ignore your past. I said bodybuilders were considered obese under BMI, you said i didnt understand BMI. But you cant show me a single bodybuilder with a BMI that isnt considered obese.

So if im wrong, you can show me bodybuilders with BMI's less than obese. But you cant, BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE WRONG.

IMO, pointless numbers. I only care fat percentage. So many body builders are over weight. And so many people with large bond structure that weighted tons compares to my tiny bone frame. And those numbers never take those into considerations. magicalclick

ahhh OT arguements,

Derailing threads since 1946, ami right?

ahhh OT arguements,

Derailing threads since 1946, ami right?

sonofsmeagle

Based on past history of politicians in the United States, the fact that the TC longs for "some health/nutrition reforms" scares the heck out of me.

We've got Mayor Bloomberg who thinks it's his business to tell people how much salt they can have. We've got some elementary/middle schools banning parents from sending their kids to school with lunches that they prepare for them.

TC wants MORE government involvement with what we eat? Frightening.

Surprised Mexico has so many fat gits.

I just got out of the shower after running, so...I'm not part of the problem here.

I like Colorado on that map. We're like West Berlin for non-obese people. fidosim

Hehe, I like this.

Based on past history of politicians in the United States, the fact that the TC longs for "some health/nutrition reforms" scares the heck out of me. We've got Mayor Bloomberg who thinks it's his business to tell people how much salt they can have. We've got some elementary/middle schools banning parents from sending their kids to school with lunches that they prepare for them. TC wants MORE government involvement with what we eat? Frightening.

YellowOneKinobi

What do you think about tax incentives/punishments for people based on how not fat/fat they are?

EDIT: Can I say "fat people" anymore? What is it now, "horizontally challenged"?

[QUOTE="fidosim"] . Palantas

Based on past history of politicians in the United States, the fact that the TC longs for "some health/nutrition reforms" scares the heck out of me. We've got Mayor Bloomberg who thinks it's his business to tell people how much salt they can have. We've got some elementary/middle schools banning parents from sending their kids to school with lunches that they prepare for them. TC wants MORE government involvement with what we eat? Frightening.

YellowOneKinobi

What do you think about tax incentives/punishments for people based on how not fat/fat they are?

EDIT: Can I say "fat people" anymore? What is it now, "horizontally challenged"?

HOWEVER, to be completely honest, the immature side of me would absolutely LOVE IT. For years I've seen fatsos act all smug and holier than thou while talking about smokers, and how smokers deserve to be taxed and ostracized. As someone who is fit as a fiddle, I'd LOVE to see some of those types of people take a hit. Payback, ain't it a b#$ch! :twisted:

horizontally endowed, challenged would be for skinny people below the already absurd BMI weight.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

Based on past history of politicians in the United States, the fact that the TC longs for "some health/nutrition reforms" scares the heck out of me. We've got Mayor Bloomberg who thinks it's his business to tell people how much salt they can have. We've got some elementary/middle schools banning parents from sending their kids to school with lunches that they prepare for them. TC wants MORE government involvement with what we eat? Frightening.

YellowOneKinobi

What do you think about tax incentives/punishments for people based on how not fat/fat they are?

EDIT: Can I say "fat people" anymore? What is it now, "horizontally challenged"?

HOWEVER, to be completely honest, the immature side of me would absolutely LOVE IT. For years I've seen fatsos act all smug and holier than thou while talking about smokers, and how smokers deserve to be taxed and ostracized. As someone who is fit as a fiddle, I'd LOVE to see some of those types of people take a hit. Payback, ain't it a b#$ch! :twisted:

I'm happy to say that I am not one of the obese people. I run 40 miles/week. Training fora marathon.Hooray me.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

What do you think about tax incentives/punishments for people based on how not fat/fat they are?

EDIT: Can I say "fat people" anymore? What is it now, "horizontally challenged"?

surrealnumber5

HOWEVER, to be completely honest, the immature side of me would absolutely LOVE IT. For years I've seen fatsos act all smug and holier than thou while talking about smokers, and how smokers deserve to be taxed and ostracized. As someone who is fit as a fiddle, I'd LOVE to see some of those types of people take a hit. Payback, ain't it a b#$ch! :twisted:

We are a gluttonus society and unless their is encomic incentive to stop being gluttons we will get fatter and fatter.

It's NOT nutrition damit. It doesn't matter what you eat as long as you are capable of working off any excess calories that you intact. It's more a requirement of lifestyle change rather than nutrition. Simply changing American's diets will not fix the problem unless people workout regularly. ferrari2001

This seems very reasonable.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]It's NOT nutrition damit. It doesn't matter what you eat as long as you are capable of working off any excess calories that you intact. It's more a requirement of life****change rather than nutrition. Simply changing American's diets will not fix the problem unless people workout regularly. Palantas

This seems very reasonable.

It's NOT nutrition damit. It doesn't matter what you eat as long as you are capable of working off any excess calories that you intact. It's more a requirement of lifestyle change rather than nutrition. Simply changing American's diets will not fix the problem unless people workout regularly. ferrari2001

Nutrition plays a part though. Improving your diet via eating healthier foods, controlling portions, and moderation contributes to weight. But of course exercise is a major part.

After my physical last June I officially weighed in at 296lbs. By the BMI scale I was obese (though didn't look obese because Im 6'5"). It was at that point that I told myself enough is enough. So I overhauled my diet, walked 2 miles every morning before work and bought a dumbell set. Now a year later Im 35 pounds lighter and have a membership to a gym where I've been working out 6 days a week.

So interms of the obesity issue, if people took 30 minutes out of there day to exercise and put down the chips and McDonalds for healthier options, eventually there would be a decline in obesity rathings. This is obviously easier said than down because there are other factors in the obesity issue (i.e. poverty).

if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?comp_atkins

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?sonicare

Personally I do not care about people's eating habits because it is their problem. I will say this though, just because you go to a restaurant and they give you 5 pounds of food does not mean you have to over eat and eat the whole thing. That kind of logic is partially why there are so many overweight people in America. I always hear people complaining and saying, "Oh I am so fat I wish I could lose weight". WELL QUIT EATING SO MUCH! Jeez it's not that hard of a concept, yes nutrition goes hand in hand with not eating so much but really they could get on the right path by just not eating so much. I can't stand going to stores and seeing all these overweight folks getting on those scooters for handicap people because they are too fat to walk by themselves. Also I get tired of people's bodies blocking entire aisles at stores. -done rant-

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?sonicare

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?sonicare

They pay more in food taxes, I'm sure like smokers it balances out.

I think what is really going to be an issue is the generation being brought up by parents who don't have enough will power to deal with their kid and not let them overeat or eat a bunch of junk food. Some feel guilty making their child cry by not letting them have what they want. Some overeat themselves and think that the portions or food they give them is correct and good. Children absorb information from their environment. Unfortunately the current environment shows quite a bit of fast food, obese people, and whatnot. And it is true a lot of fast food and junk food tastes better than healthier foods (to a fair amount of people), especially to children. There was a show on T.V. that I can't remember what it was called, but it was an eye opener for obese parents with obese children. They showed them the potential images and life spans of their children if they continued on their path and basically told them they were killing their children. At the same time though we have a lot of women underweight from societal pressures. We (humans) are fascinating, self-destructive creatures. The eating of food releases pleasure and reward chemicals in the brain which is very addicting. We probably enjoy high calorie foods because when we used to have to hunt for food, high calorie food would be more useful and sustain us between meals. It all boils down to humans will gradually change as they see fit. Some may be scared into change, some may just finally be tired of how they look. But keeping discussions going and promoting health is always a good start. I personally think the scare tactics are most effective, but I will let those who work in public health determine their course of action. Some ways to stay trim: Breakfast (not super light but not too heavy), walking, controlling the portion sizes of your meals, wait before going back for seconds (your food might not have set into your stomach yet, which delays the full feeling) make a list of everything you eat and when you eat and from this try to find what you can cut out. Rosaflame

Portion control can also be applied to paragraphs.

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?sonicare

^ Hahaha!! Nice.:lol:

[QUOTE="Rosaflame"]I think what is really going to be an issue is the generation being brought up by parents who don't have enough will power to deal with their kid and not let them overeat or eat a bunch of junk food. Some feel guilty making their child cry by not letting them have what they want. Some overeat themselves and think that the portions or food they give them is correct and good. Children absorb information from their environment. Unfortunately the current environment shows quite a bit of fast food, obese people, and whatnot. And it is true a lot of fast food and junk food tastes better than healthier foods (to a fair amount of people), especially to children. There was a show on T.V. that I can't remember what it was called, but it was an eye opener for obese parents with obese children. They showed them the potential images and life spans of their children if they continued on their path and basically told them they were killing their children. At the same time though we have a lot of women underweight from societal pressures. We (humans) are fascinating, self-destructive creatures. The eating of food releases pleasure and reward chemicals in the brain which is very addicting. We probably enjoy high calorie foods because when we used to have to hunt for food, high calorie food would be more useful and sustain us between meals. It all boils down to humans will gradually change as they see fit. Some may be scared into change, some may just finally be tired of how they look. But keeping discussions going and promoting health is always a good start. I personally think the scare tactics are most effective, but I will let those who work in public health determine their course of action. Some ways to stay trim: Breakfast (not super light but not too heavy), walking, controlling the portion sizes of your meals, wait before going back for seconds (your food might not have set into your stomach yet, which delays the full feeling) make a list of everything you eat and when you eat and from this try to find what you can cut out. tenaka2

Portion control can also be applied to paragraphs.

Sadly, on these forums, no one will hear (sure we hear, but what can we do about an entire nation?)

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]if people want to eat themselves to death, who are we to stop them?surrealnumber5

In Japan there are laws for how fat people are allowed to be.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :roll: Go figure out what BMI is. Then come back.SoBaus

i cant figure it out cuz im too stupid, help me figure out ronnie coleman's BMI please.

my point was that pro bodybuilders, such as ronnie coleman are considered morbidly obese by the BMI (which they are) you are the one saying i dont know how it works.

So if i dont know how it works, show me how ronnie colemen is considered skinny by BMI standards. Im still waiting for this miraculous computation that makes me wrong...

fact of the matter is, im right, you are wrong.

no, he's actually right, and you're wrong. (: i work in the medical and healthcare sector, and how he describes the utilization of the BMI is 100% correct (:

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="sonicare"] Well, as long as we don't have to foot their medical bills, they are welcome to do so. :Psonicare

looks like i am going to need to get rid of all duplicate organs a leg a arm my ribs and drop 2lbs of fat to avoid the mines.