OT votes for US president

Balancing the Budget now when we are in an important part of recovery.
Being against all forms of stimulus.
Using the 'Fair Tax"
Getting rid of money for research in green energy.
Stopping the FED from being able to respond to economic needs.
Supporting cutting back Medicare/caid and having private insurance be the number 1 source of insurance for people.Person0

Damn! He is insane!

I might actually vote for this Johnson guy now.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] Yeah, but you implied that your faith in humanity would've been lost if they voted for someone other than Obama. That just seems kinda ironic to me considering what Obama has done while in office.

-Killed thousands of civilians in the Middle East via drone strikes which only have a 2% success rate at killing their intended targets.

-Increased the police state and military industrial complex

-Restricted individual liberties

-Increased the national debt drastically

-Damaged our economy by engaging in policies focused on the short term. We are f*cked in the long run thanks to what he has done.

-He has done nothing to end the war on drugs and decriminalization of marijuana.

I just don't see how it makes you happy that the majority of Americans don't have a problem with these facts. It seems backwards to me.

Vuurk

Of those with a realistic chance of getting elected, Obama.mattbbpl

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Eh, I'm not 100% with the democratic party. (I know I just rep'd Obama hardcore). I'm pro capital punishment, and I don't want to legalize pot. The libertarians? I'm kind of with them, too. I just like to say I'm independent. I take each issue one by one, and vote accordingly.

Shmiity

Ugh, I'm kind of a "world police" guy. If I see someone doing wrong to someone else, I want to go in and stop it, even if it's not my business. "WOMEN BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR WEARING JEANS, must invade middle-east and change this." I am supportive of that.

The only legitimate purpose of government is to protect the individual rights of its constituency. Stealing their money to fund wars that they do not benefit from is a violation of that purpose.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] lol. are you gay or female? You know Paul Ryan ran a marathon in under 3 hours? =P Vuurk

Still sexy though.

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[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Alright, what's your stance on war? I think you should consider Gary Johnson instead of Obama. ^^ Read up on his policy stances. He might align closely with your beliefs. Vuurk

Ugh, I'm kind of a "world police" guy. If I see someone doing wrong to someone else, I want to go in and stop it, even if it's not my business. "WOMEN BEING STONED TO DEATH FOR WEARING JEANS, must invade middle-east and change this." I am supportive of that.

What about the fact that thousands of civilians have been killed in Pakistan in an attempt to kill a few terrorists. The success rate of killing a terrorist with a drone strike has been estimated to be around 2%. Obama supports and advocates drone strikes in the region. What is your opinion on that? How do you think that is going to affect our foreign relations with the middle east when these generations are going to grow up and remember how the U.S. was occupying/invading their land and murdering their friends/family members?

Not to mention that we have a history of establishing puppet governments and support authoritarian, suppressive regimes.

And the cost of the police state. We have the highest spending on military by nearly 10x the next closest country (which is China).

No question we are spending a ton of money on military stuff. But honestly, I don't know enough about those countries/military spending/what kind of business we conduct there/should we be worried about the middle east/ to make a decision. I know there are a lot of bad dudes over there, and that those countries treat women like sh*t. Beyond that, I don't know much.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] So you should vote for Obama just so that he will assign justices which veto his unconstitutional policies? lol I don't understand you mate. Vuurk

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[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Nuh uh. Don't go calling strawman when I call out your irrational reasoning. Vuurk

This is a bad thread. If it doesn't stop, I'm voting for the Romster.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] "Lookin' forward to his left leaning supreme court justices." I thought that this quote from you implied that you were supporting the idea of Obama winning the election? This seems like a natural conclusion to draw from this statement. Vuurk

What else would you be voting for him for? So that he taxes the rich so that those greedy f*ckers pay their "fair share" so that our economy will recover.... *rolls eyes*

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] "Lookin' forward to his left leaning supreme court justices." I thought that this quote from you implied that you were supporting the idea of Obama winning the election? This seems like a natural conclusion to draw from this statement. Vuurk

What else would you be voting for him for? So that he taxes the rich so that those greedy f*ckers pay their "fair share" so that our economy will recover.... *rolls eyes*

Let me give you some basic economic knowledge - You can't spend your way to prosperity. This is a fundamental law, like the law of gravity. Vuurk

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] I disagree with everything you just said, other than that the debt has been higher as % of GDP before. Oh yeah, during the great depression... You are strongly underestimating the implications of our debt/deficit. Are the respectable economists you are referring to the same ones who failed to predict the recession? Do you really believe that Obamacare saves money? I hope you aren't that naive. Vuurk

Our health care industry is no where near free market. Do you still really believe that Obamacare wouldn't add to the deficit? What facts are you talking about?

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Budget_office_Obamas_health_law_reduces_deficit.html

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] I disagree with everything you just said, other than that the debt has been higher as % of GDP before. Oh yeah, during the great depression... You are strongly underestimating the implications of our debt/deficit. Are the respectable economists you are referring to the same ones who failed to predict the recession? Do you really believe that Obamacare saves money? I hope you aren't that naive. Vuurk

Our health care industry is no where near free market. Do you still really believe that Obamacare wouldn't add to the deficit? What facts are you talking about?

Multiplier..... spending can lead to a faster recovery and therefore prosperity.

Johnson's policies lead to a large amount of debt without the positives from investment spending that comes along from stimulus spending. So more debt without the investment..... GREAT PLAN.

It is freer then most other countries and we pay more then any other country.

Obamacare saves money overall (CBO)

Facts like the government can be more efficient then private businesses for example in health insurance. 3% overhead of Medicare vs 20% for insurance companies.

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[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Let me give you some basic economic knowledge - You can't spend your way to prosperity. This is a fundamental law, like the law of gravity. It is the most erroneous idea in all of economic thinking. Growth comes from saving and investing. Not from spending. In order for our economy to truly recover, we are going to have to bear the costs. You are right, there will be a recession for several years, but in the long run we will be MUCH better off then continuing to increase our debt/deficit in an ridiculous attempt to spend our way to prosperity.

Our health care industry is no where near free market. Do you still really believe that Obamacare wouldn't add to the deficit? What facts are you talking about?

Vuurk

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Budget_office_Obamas_health_law_reduces_deficit.html

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Budget_office_Obamas_health_law_reduces_deficit.html

Abbeten

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Let me give you some basic economic knowledge - You can't spend your way to prosperity. This is a fundamental law, like the law of gravity. It is the most erroneous idea in all of economic thinking. Growth comes from saving and investing. Not from spending. In order for our economy to truly recover, we are going to have to bear the costs. You are right, there will be a recession for several years, but in the long run we will be MUCH better off then continuing to increase our debt/deficit in an ridiculous attempt to spend our way to prosperity.

Our health care industry is no where near free market. Do you still really believe that Obamacare wouldn't add to the deficit? What facts are you talking about?

Vuurk

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Budget_office_Obamas_health_law_reduces_deficit.html

I've spent too long debating with incompetents. I've got a bunch of reading to do for class tomorrow. Later mates. Vuurk

If I can balence my checkbook, why can't the government balance the budget?dave123321

Because your checkbook isn't big enough to put thousands of people to work, because it isn't big enough to support fledgling industries that will eventually lead to returns in the form of tax revenue, because you don't inherit your checkbook balance from someone else, because your income isn't steadily decreasing because your boss thinks you should be able to live on less.

Holy hell that heritage article is awful. Did they really argue that the stimulus destroyed 500,000 jobs because there were fewer people employed in January 2012 than in February 2009?Abbeten