"DECAPITATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOON':P
Seriously though the sick basterd got what he deserved, its people like him that make the world worse, killing him is doing humanity a favor.
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"DECAPITATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOON':P
Seriously though the sick basterd got what he deserved, its people like him that make the world worse, killing him is doing humanity a favor.
*Waits for but that is no better post* He got what was coming plain and simple. Yes I agree all cases should be taken seriously and gone through a careful and maticulous process but once again Saudi is abit different then America.At least people who do this kind of **** get what they deserve. In california they sit in jail we need to actually inforce the death penalty.
Well if a guy here raped 5 kids and left one of them to die out in the middle of nowhere, theres no question of "Should we kill him or life sentnce' But "Whats the soonest we can get this SOB..{insert death penalty here, idk what they do in the U.S. for death penalty}?"
Btw, i didnt read the the entire 25 pages, just skimmed he first and and posted, so if I am missing a few made points plz excuse me.
[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]
At least people who do this kind of **** get what they deserve.
Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred. Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred. He mentally and phically disturbed 5 children and left 1 4 dead. Try taking the 5 closest people to you, have them all raped and leaves one for dead in a desert. Human life is sacred, but when this man is filth and garbage his life is not sacred anymore. He did this willingly and obviously without remorse if he did it 5 times. He desrves to die, and set an exmple of what will happen if you do crap like this.[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]
At least people who do this kind of **** get what they deserve. harashawn
[QUOTE="harashawn"]Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred. Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.[QUOTE="Bigboss232"]
At least people who do this kind of **** get what they deserve. GrandJury
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred.
Trinners
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
Funny, I thought it was called justice.[QUOTE="Trinners"]
[QUOTE="GrandJury"]Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.Good-Apollo
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
Funny, I thought it was called justice.No, it's called retribution. Justice upholds a higher standard of civility. Their courts are as bad as the criminal himself.
Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred.
Trinners
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
I was waiting for this post thank you. He raped 5 kids and left one in the desert, if you think he does not deserve death then I don't know what. Are you one of those people that think that it is mean to mistreat the criminals? What do you think this country would be like if we got rid of the death penalty and showed the criminalsthat wecare. I believe there should be liberty and justice for all....Who deserve it. Rapist and criminals don't fall into that. He deserved to die, get over it.Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Nobody deserves death; no matter what atrocities they may commit, human life is still sacred.
Trinners
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
well, lets just leave him prison with bobo then shall we? Yes, after experincing what the children have he would beg for mercy, or even death. I say that hypocricy, what do you wnat done with the man? Freed? He is obviously a threat to society and a child predator. Imprisoned, feed, clean him, keep him safe until he rots? Sounds like money down the drain simply to keep a sick basterd alive, whats that going to change? He still gonna die, only at a natural rate and in a pin. Best soulotion to the problem is to kill the man, no man no problem. Of course you still have 4 tramatized kids, a grieving famliy and a kileed raped then killed.Funny, I thought it was called justice.[QUOTE="Good-Apollo"]
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
Trinners
No, it's called retribution. Justice upholds a higher standard of civility. Their courts are as bad as the criminal himself.
Then what should have the court done?[QUOTE="Trinners"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.GrandJury
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
I was waiting for this post thank you. He raped 5 kids and left one in the desert, if you think he does not deserve death then I don't know what. Are you one of those people that think that it is mean to mistreat the criminals? What do you think this country would be like if we got rid of the death penalty and showed the criminals that they care. I believe there should be liberty and justice for all....Who deserve it. Rapist and criminals don't fall into that.How come countries who have abolished capital punishment end up having lower crime rates per capita than countries that enforce capital punishment? Making examples out of people DOES NOT work, it never has and it never will. All it does is degrade the image of the justice system. You don't rectify a certain act by committing that same act
Please do not make assumptions, criminals are criminals they don't deserve any kind treatment but they certainly do not deserve death either. Not a single person deserves to die. That is the most important fundamental human right that every human being is entitled to. Not even Hitler deserves a death sentence. Instead just lock up criminals like these in prison for the remainder of their life. You achieve the same result (removing them from society).
It shows that uphold an image of civility that we as a people refuse to degrade ourselves to the level of criminals. It shows that we refuse to let our judgment be clouded by emotions.
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
[QUOTE="GrandJury"]Here we go. If someone does something so foul like he did then there is no question in my mind he should be sentenced to death. You said it yourself "Human life is sacred" he should not get a chance to continue his if he wants to use it to abuse others.Bardock47
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
well, lets just leave him prison with bobo then shall we? Yes, after experincing what the children have he would beg for mercy, or even death. I say that hypocricy, what do you wnat done with the man? Freed? He is obviously a threat to society and a child predator. Imprisoned, feed, clean him, keep him safe until he rots? Sounds like money down the drain simply to keep a sick basterd alive, whats that going to change? He still gonna die, only at a natural rate and in a pin. Best soulotion to the problem is to kill the man, no man no problem. Of course you still have 4 tramatized kids, a grieving famliy and a kileed raped then killed.Enforcing barbaric acts equal to that of the criminal is not a step toward progress. Like I said just lock him up for life because it upholds civility. By using capital punishment, in the end you just end up with 2 dead people instead of one.
Also executing the criminal won't bring any sort of relief to the family because they still lost a loved one. Another person dead isn't going to help even if you believe the contrary.
I was waiting for this post thank you. He raped 5 kids and left one in the desert, if you think he does not deserve death then I don't know what. Are you one of those people that think that it is mean to mistreat the criminals? What do you think this country would be like if we got rid of the death penalty and showed the criminals that they care. I believe there should be liberty and justice for all....Who deserve it. Rapist and criminals don't fall into that.[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="Trinners"]
Condemning the act of killing while killing someone as a form of punishment is hypocrisy at its finest.
Trinners
How come countries who have abolished capital punishment end up having lower crime rates per capita than countries that enforce capital punishment? Making examples out of people DOES NOT work, it never has and it never will. All it does is degrade the image of the justice system. You don't rectify a certain act by committing that same act
Please do not make assumptions, criminals are criminals they don't deserve any kind treatment but they certainly do not deserve death either. Not a single person deserves to die. That is the most important fundamental human right that every human being is entitled to. Not even Hitler deserves a death sentence. Instead just lock up criminals like these in prison for the remainder of their life. You achieve the same result (removing them from society).
It shows that uphold an image of civility that we as a people refuse to degrade ourselves to the level of criminals. It shows that we refuse to let our judgment be clouded by emotions.
And what? HAve taxpayers keep paying to clothe,feed, and house they scum of the earth. And yes Hitler deserved to die I think ALOT of people will disagree on that.If we got by some people's opinions and standards there would be no jail's at all. The criminals would just have to sit in a corner for time out because holding a person against their will in a cage is wrong....right??? There is nothing wrong with the death penalty if the person did something so bad to deserves death. GrandJury
Laws are supposed to be based on logic not fleeting and misguided human emotions.
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
[QUOTE="GrandJury"]I was waiting for this post thank you. He raped 5 kids and left one in the desert, if you think he does not deserve death then I don't know what. Are you one of those people that think that it is mean to mistreat the criminals? What do you think this country would be like if we got rid of the death penalty and showed the criminals that they care. I believe there should be liberty and justice for all....Who deserve it. Rapist and criminals don't fall into that.Bardock47
How come countries who have abolished capital punishment end up having lower crime rates per capita than countries that enforce capital punishment? Making examples out of people DOES NOT work, it never has and it never will. All it does is degrade the image of the justice system. You don't rectify a certain act by committing that same act
Please do not make assumptions, criminals are criminals they don't deserve any kind treatment but they certainly do not deserve death either. Not a single person deserves to die. That is the most important fundamental human right that every human being is entitled to. Not even Hitler deserves a death sentence. Instead just lock up criminals like these in prison for the remainder of their life. You achieve the same result (removing them from society).
It shows that uphold an image of civility that we as a people refuse to degrade ourselves to the level of criminals. It shows that we refuse to let our judgment be clouded by emotions.
And what? HAve taxpayers keep paying to clothe,feed, and house they scum of the earth. And yes Hitler deserved to die I think ALOT of people will disagree on that.You do know it's more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in jail for the rest of their life right? Due to the amount of appeals.
Also there is a great risk that an innocent person is condemned to death. The justice system is also there to protect us, the people. An innocent person getting executed is ALOT worse than a guilty murderer walking free.
What a person deserves is completely arbitrary you can believe hitler deserves to die but the justice system isn't about enforcing what a person "deserves".
And what? HAve taxpayers keep paying to clothe,feed, and house they scum of the earth. And yes Hitler deserved to die I think ALOT of people will disagree on that.[QUOTE="Bardock47"]
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
How come countries who have abolished capital punishment end up having lower crime rates per capita than countries that enforce capital punishment? Making examples out of people DOES NOT work, it never has and it never will. All it does is degrade the image of the justice system. You don't rectify a certain act by committing that same act
Please do not make assumptions, criminals are criminals they don't deserve any kind treatment but they certainly do not deserve death either. Not a single person deserves to die. That is the most important fundamental human right that every human being is entitled to. Not even Hitler deserves a death sentence. Instead just lock up criminals like these in prison for the remainder of their life. You achieve the same result (removing them from society).
It shows that uphold an image of civility that we as a people refuse to degrade ourselves to the level of criminals. It shows that we refuse to let our judgment be clouded by emotions.
Trinners
You do know it's more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in jail for the rest of their life right? Due to the amount of appeals.
Also there is a great risk that an innocent person is condemned to death. The justice system is also there to protect us, the people. An innocent person getting executed is ALOT worse than a guilty murderer walking free.
What a person deserves is completely arbitrary you can believe hitler deserves to die but the justice system isn't about enforcing what a person "deserves".
Okay, so I can understand your view, but in this instnce we have the right guy and if justice is to protect the people, both would make sure that the public is protected. But, its the right thing to end him then and their. Is it much better to let him rot in cell? Or solitary confinment? You get the job done now, instead of it dragging on for years. I mean this guy destryoed the childhood of 4 kids.Anyway, I've spoken my part and tired and going to bed. So I say good debate, andgood day/night/morning. Glad that this was kept civil and didn't turn itnto a flame war [like lots of debates can on OT:P][QUOTE="GrandJury"]If we got by some people's opinions and standards there would be no jail's at all. The criminals would just have to sit in a corner for time out because holding a person against their will in a cage is wrong....right??? There is nothing wrong with the death penalty if the person did something so bad to deserves death. Trinners
Laws are supposed to be based on logic not fleeting and misguided human emotions.
Logic dictakes that if you take a persons life you shall pay for it. Whether that means spending the rest of your life in prison...Or death. The only thing that is wrong with the death row is how long it takes to actually kill the person and the cost.[QUOTE="Trinners"]
[QUOTE="Bardock47"] And what? HAve taxpayers keep paying to clothe,feed, and house they scum of the earth. And yes Hitler deserved to die I think ALOT of people will disagree on that.
Bardock47
You do know it's more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in jail for the rest of their life right? Due to the amount of appeals.
Also there is a great risk that an innocent person is condemned to death. The justice system is also there to protect us, the people. An innocent person getting executed is ALOT worse than a guilty murderer walking free.
What a person deserves is completely arbitrary you can believe hitler deserves to die but the justice system isn't about enforcing what a person "deserves".
Okay, so I can understand your view, but in this instnce we have the right guy and if justice is to protect the people, both would make sure that the public is protected. But, its the right thing to end him then and their. Is it much better to let him rot in cell? Or solitary confinment? You get the job done now, instead of it dragging on for years. I mean this guy destryoed the childhood of 4 kids.Anyway, I've spoken my part and tired and going to bed. So I say good debate, andgood day/night/morning. Glad that this was kept civil and didn't turn itnto a flame war [like lots of debates can on OT:P]I try to refrain on starting flame wars :P.
I have no problem accepting the person getting executed like that because in their country that is their law. It's just that their law is extremely misguided and it needs to evolve so I am just criticizing it and comparing it to our standards as their standards is still far far behind.
Letting a person rot in jail is in my opinion a worse punishment. But at least we did not take away that person's life. What happens in that jail cell is what the person makes of it.
Okay, so I can understand your view, but in this instnce we have the right guy and if justice is to protect the people, both would make sure that the public is protected. But, its the right thing to end him then and their. Is it much better to let him rot in cell? Or solitary confinment? You get the job done now, instead of it dragging on for years. I mean this guy destryoed the childhood of 4 kids.Anyway, I've spoken my part and tired and going to bed. So I say good debate, andgood day/night/morning. Glad that this was kept civil and didn't turn itnto a flame war [like lots of debates can on OT:P][QUOTE="Bardock47"]
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
You do know it's more expensive to execute someone that to keep them in jail for the rest of their life right? Due to the amount of appeals.
Also there is a great risk that an innocent person is condemned to death. The justice system is also there to protect us, the people. An innocent person getting executed is ALOT worse than a guilty murderer walking free.
What a person deserves is completely arbitrary you can believe hitler deserves to die but the justice system isn't about enforcing what a person "deserves".
Trinners
I try to refrain on starting flame wars :P.
I have no problem accepting the person getting executed like that because in their country that is their law. It's just that their law is extremely misguided and it needs to evolve so I am just criticizing it and comparing it to our standards as their standards is still far far behind.
Letting a person rot in jail is in my opinion a worse punishment. But at least we did not take away that person's life. What happens in that jail cell is what the person makes of it.
In America they usually rot in jail anyway considering the fact that it takes so long to actually get them into the chair.[QUOTE="Trinners"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]If we got by some people's opinions and standards there would be no jail's at all. The criminals would just have to sit in a corner for time out because holding a person against their will in a cage is wrong....right??? There is nothing wrong with the death penalty if the person did something so bad to deserves death. GrandJury
Laws are supposed to be based on logic not fleeting and misguided human emotions.
Logic dictakes that if you take a persons life you shall pay for it..I agree that they have to pay but not with their life. That is just vengeance and promotes "an eye for an eye". I opt for the person being locked up in jail for life. It's cheaper, you get the same result, as well as upholding a level of civility.
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
[QUOTE="Bardock47"] Okay, so I can understand your view, but in this instnce we have the right guy and if justice is to protect the people, both would make sure that the public is protected. But, its the right thing to end him then and their. Is it much better to let him rot in cell? Or solitary confinment? You get the job done now, instead of it dragging on for years. I mean this guy destryoed the childhood of 4 kids.Anyway, I've spoken my part and tired and going to bed. So I say good debate, andgood day/night/morning. Glad that this was kept civil and didn't turn itnto a flame war [like lots of debates can on OT:P]
GrandJury
I try to refrain on starting flame wars :P.
I have no problem accepting the person getting executed like that because in their country that is their law. It's just that their law is extremely misguided and it needs to evolve so I am just criticizing it and comparing it to our standards as their standards is still far far behind.
Letting a person rot in jail is in my opinion a worse punishment. But at least we did not take away that person's life. What happens in that jail cell is what the person makes of it.
In America they usually rot in jail anyway considering the fact that it takes so long to actually get them into the chair.Exactly, so why not abolish the death penalty altogether? That way we don't waste time and money with appeals.
[QUOTE="GrandJury"]
[QUOTE="Trinners"]
I try to refrain on starting flame wars :P.
I have no problem accepting the person getting executed like that because in their country that is their law. It's just that their law is extremely misguided and it needs to evolve so I am just criticizing it and comparing it to our standards as their standards is still far far behind.
Letting a person rot in jail is in my opinion a worse punishment. But at least we did not take away that person's life. What happens in that jail cell is what the person makes of it.
In America they usually rot in jail anyway considering the fact that it takes so long to actually get them into the chair.Exactly, so why not abolish the death penalty altogether? That way we don't waste time and money with appeals.
Because certain people just deserve that needle or that spot in the chair period. I do not think America should ever just get rid of the death penalty.The number of people who think he deserves it only shows how back we still are as a civilization. And how ignorant we are of the human nature and condition, them being the main obstacles to a functional and correct society. He isn't in any part guilty of being inhuman, but fully guilty of being human. It was his humanity that he should've arisen above.joao_22990
I salute this quote. Maybe one day humanity will bother to understand itself.
The number of people who think he deserves it only shows how back we still are as a civilization. And how ignorant we are of the human nature and condition, them being the main obstacles to a functional and correct society. He isn't in any part guilty of being inhuman, but fully guilty of being human. It was his humanity that he should've arisen above.joao_22990Haha...of course. You know what really "shows how back we are as a civilization"? The fact that a group of people, namely Europeans and Americans, still think they know what civilized is and that all people must adhere to their ideals, must conform to the way they do things, must adopt their definition of right and wrong, humane and inhumane so on and so on. Century after century this same arrogance and pride leads to wars and bloodshed. These people still think they are better than everyone else, if not for being white than for being American. I laugh only because I know it will never change, a lot of people (including myself) will always be blind for everything has a depth to deep to explore. I am iffy on the Justice System of all Arab countries because I know they are all corrupt, but I understand that there is a lot of good too because I know something about Islamic Justice and why it is what it is and I understand also that its hard to construct a perfect Islamic Justice system because human judgement is involved. What I am trying to say is that the issue of Islamic Justice is a deep and difficult issue to fully comprehend and implement. It doesnt excuse the inadequate implementations that break even the most basic commands of God, but its somewhat understandable when we look at all the conflicts involved. It is as complicated if not more complicated than the American Justice system.
[QUOTE="joao_22990"]The number of people who think he deserves it only shows how back we still are as a civilization. And how ignorant we are of the human nature and condition, them being the main obstacles to a functional and correct society. He isn't in any part guilty of being inhuman, but fully guilty of being human. It was his humanity that he should've arisen above.anasbouzidHaha...of course. You know what really "shows how back we are as a civilization"? The fact that a group of people, namely Europeans and Americans, still think they know what civilized is and that all people must adhere to their ideals, must conform to the way they do things, must adopt their definition of right and wrong, humane and inhumane so on and so on. Century after century this same arrogance and pride leads to wars and bloodshed. These people still think they are better than everyone else, if not for being white than for being American. I laugh only because I know it will never change, a lot of people (including myself) will always be blind for everything has a depth to deep to explore. I am iffy on the Justice System of all Arab countries because I know they are all corrupt, but I understand that there is a lot of good too because I know something about Islamic Justice and why it is what it is and I understand also that its hard to construct a perfect Islamic Justice system because human judgement is involved. What I am trying to say is that the issue of Islamic Justice is a deep and difficult issue to fully comprehend and implement. It doesnt excuse the inadequate implementations that break even the most basic commands of God, but its somewhat understandable when we look at all the conflicts involved. It is as complicated if not more complicated than the American Justice system.
I understand what you are saying, but it as they say "you get what you deserve". A simple lock in the jail (even if its for life) is a far too leniant punishment for something that has affected another parents life, yet alone scarring the kid for life. Saudi Arabia use the Shariah law, and even though it has been edited by the higher monarchy and kings which makes it a bit more of a harsh country, this person deserves what he gets. Saudi Arabia is known to have the lowest crime rate because 80-90% of people living there would think twice before commiting a crime. They are all human and what not but that doesnt stop them from screwing up other peoples lives or ending another persons life. If they take another persons life, their own life should be taken too with shame. Thats my honest oppinion.
They're really doing the guy a favor. Ifan adult is getting boners for toddlers & pre-teens... hehas aproblems. The kind of problem that society can't fix & refuses to repair. I wouldn't kill him for some sort of desire to kill whatever pisses me off. I would just kill him because it would be the easiest way. Like picking a prisoner in the bush. Nobody wants to drag him along. Just pop him and leave him behind.
I would just kill him because it would be the easiest way.
MagnumPI
Dude that is seriously messed up...
[QUOTE="MagnumPI"]
I would just kill him because it would be the easiest way.
flordeceres
Dude that is seriously messed up...
Is it really, Dude? If they want him dead for their vindictivereasons that's fine with me but my motive wouldn't be spite. Would you rather execute him insome elaborate prolonged manner for some sort of twisted thrill or would you rather simply slit his throat? It could be the easy way or the hard way. Just get it over with.
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