Paedophile to be beheaded and crucified

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#351 Engrish_Major
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Again, you don't know if the only evidence they had was the attempt of abduction. The article is probably missing other information and I gave you another link but apparently that's not enough for you.cyberdarkkid
You gave me a link stating that someone in a "Saudi Web forum" said he confessed. Really? That's more information?
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#352 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like I said before: to please an angered crowd.

Very 21 century-like, right?

>___>

Vfanek

Which to me just proves humanity as a whole isn't any better than this ill man.

It never was. You're part of it. Life's great, huh?

Yeah lets all concede to the situation and give up!

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#353 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Well, the guy is already going to be dead by the time they hang him up on a cross, so it's really not that insane. He won't feel a thing.

elblanquito_81

They are actually violating an Islamic law themselves.

I'm not all that well-versed in Islamic laws so I wouldn't know which one they're violating. Is it the beheading, the crucifixtion, or the beheaded being hung on a cross??

Anger managment is very important in Islam. Things like beheading AND crucifying a perpetrator is a display of vengeance, and therefore anger.
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#354 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Like I said before: to please an angered crowd.

Very 21 century-like, right?

>___>

Vfanek

Which to me just proves humanity as a whole isn't any better than this ill man.

It never was. You're part of it. Life's great, huh?

Now you made me depressed...

I hope you're happy. :cry:

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#355 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You assume that is the only evidence. Plus...he confessed.Engrish_Major
According to a "Saudi Web forum". You were just discounting web sources a few posts ago, and now you reference a Saudi Web forum to form your opinion?

So only because it's from a Saudi web forum you will discard the possibility that he confessed.
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#356 garaa2007
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Well, the guy is already going to be dead by the time they hang him up on a cross, so it's really not that insane. He won't feel a thing.

elblanquito_81

They are actually violating an Islamic law themselves.

I'm not all that well-versed in Islamic laws so I wouldn't know which one they're violating. Is it the beheading, the crucifixtion, or the beheaded being hung on a cross??

its the crucifixion part , theres no law in Islam that allows crucifixion what so ever.
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#357 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You assume that is the only evidence. Plus...he confessed.Engrish_Major
According to a "Saudi Web forum". You were just discounting web sources a few posts ago, and now you reference a Saudi Web forum to form your opinion?

You seem to be discounting evidence against him quite easily....and giving him the benefit of the doubt. What do you think the odds are that similar patterns of behavior, and vehicle and a confession would square up for conviction?
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#358 nooblet69
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Jeez, doing something just as sick if not sicker than the criminal will solve everything :?.

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#359 Engrish_Major
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So only because it's from a Saudi web forum you will discard the possibility that he confessed. cyberdarkkid
It's a "web forum". I could say that aliens ate my parents on this web forum. That doesn't warrant a beheading. If there was other evidence, then why can't I find reporting of it on any news sites?
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#360 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You assume that is the only evidence. Plus...he confessed.cyberdarkkid
According to a "Saudi Web forum". You were just discounting web sources a few posts ago, and now you reference a Saudi Web forum to form your opinion?

So only because it's from a Saudi web forum you will discard the possibility that he confessed.

Well to be fair I have seen instances in my own country where very serious incidents (like the famous death.murder of a 16-year-old by a policeman) were not being presented impartially in the slightest by the media.

And in that particular incident in the parenthesis it took weeks to try to clear out the situation (I dont think it has been cleared otut completely even now; it just "settled").

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#361 Engrish_Major
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You seem to be discounting evidence against him quite easily....and giving him the benefit of the doubt. What do you think the odds are that similar patterns of behavior, and vehicle and a confession would square up for conviction?LJS9502_basic
That evidence alone would not fly in this country. You simply cannot see someone commit one crime, then just convict them of another, more serious crime.
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#362 Y2Jfan23
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It worries me to see people actually say this is too barbaric. That sick b@stard deserves what he get.
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#363 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You seem to be discounting evidence against him quite easily....and giving him the benefit of the doubt. What do you think the odds are that similar patterns of behavior, and vehicle and a confession would square up for conviction?Engrish_Major
That evidence alone would not fly in this country. You simply cannot see someone commit one crime, then just convict them of another, more serious crime.

Again you are assuming you were given all the facts. A confession does indeed fly here though......
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#364 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

flordeceres

So you reckon beheading and crucifixion are more humane and valid than life in prison ?

I never called the punishment humane.

Quite honestly, just as long as the scum is killed I really don't care or feel any faint feelings of sympathy towards such an individual.

I just want him dead so he can't do it again.

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#365 Engrish_Major
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Again you are assuming you were given all the facts. A confession does indeed fly here though......LJS9502_basic
I assume that because I cannot find, on any other news site, that they had additional evidence. Of couse, were I present at the trial, my opinion might be different. Or if you point me to another source (that is not a "Saudi web forum") that states otherwise. Anyway, Saudi Arabia has been known to use medieval torture to gain confessions... and that is even assuming that what was reported on a "Saudi web forum" is accurate.
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#366 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]So only because it's from a Saudi web forum you will discard the possibility that he confessed. Engrish_Major
It's a "web forum". I could say that aliens ate my parents on this web forum. That doesn't warrant a beheading. If there was other evidence, then why can't I find reporting of it on any news sites?

Here you go then

"Saudi reports said that police used one of the survivors, a seven-year-old boy believed to be of Yemeni origin, to scour the area where he was molested, looking for the suspect's vehicle. Al-Ramaly allegedly confessed to the crime and was sentenced to death by a court in Hail, but appealed to a higher court in the capital, Riyadh"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6901317.ece

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#367 garaa2007
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You seem to be discounting evidence against him quite easily....and giving him the benefit of the doubt. What do you think the odds are that similar patterns of behavior, and vehicle and a confession would square up for conviction?Engrish_Major
That evidence alone would not fly in this country. You simply cannot see someone commit one crime, then just convict them of another, more serious crime.

I'm sure they have enough evidence to convict the guy , just because the article is missing details doesn't mean a lack of evidence, and you cant find it on news websites simply because not every crime is detailed in all news websites, i read about this guy 2 days ago in an arabic news site and it also lacked details .
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#368 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]

Here you go then

"Saudi reports said that police used one of the survivors, a seven-year-old boy believed to be of Yemeni origin, to scour the area where he was molested, looking for the suspect's vehicle. Al-Ramaly allegedly confessed to the crime and was sentenced to death by a court in Hail, but appealed to a higher court in the capital, Riyadh"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6901317.ece

Okay, so he "allegedly" confessed. According to who? The web forum? Again, like I said, a confession can mean a lot of things (especially in Saudi Arabia). In this country, as well as other civilized nations, you need serious proof to convict someone of a serious crime. Especially if you are putting him to death. Yes, he probably did do it. However, you cannot convict someone on a "probably".
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#369 flordeceres
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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

LostProphetFLCL

So you reckon beheading and crucifixion are more humane and valid than life in prison ?

I never called the punishment humane.

Quite honestly, just as long as the scum is killed I really don't care or feel any faint feelings of sympathy towards such an individual.

I just want him dead so he can't do it again.

Disregard the 'humane' bit, then.

So you'd rather slaughter a man that has absolutely no control over his actions to ensure this won't happen again over trying to help him ?

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#370 Engrish_Major
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I'm sure they have enough evidence to convict the guy , just because the article is missing details doesn't mean a lack of evidence, and you cant find it on news websites simply because not every crime is detailed in all news websites, i read about this guy 2 days ago in an arabic news site and it also lacked details . garaa2007
Then why wouldn't they report the evidence? Was there blood in his car? Did they find his prints near the bodies? Were there witnesses to the killings? Those seem like they would be important details that would be reported in a news article about a trial. Don't you think?
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#371 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]

Here you go then

"Saudi reports said that police used one of the survivors, a seven-year-old boy believed to be of Yemeni origin, to scour the area where he was molested, looking for the suspect's vehicle. Al-Ramaly allegedly confessed to the crime and was sentenced to death by a court in Hail, but appealed to a higher court in the capital, Riyadh"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6901317.ece

Okay, so he "allegedly" confessed. According to who? The web forum? Again, like I said, a confession can mean a lot of things (especially in Saudi Arabia). In this country, as well as other civilized nations, you need serious proof to convict someone of a serious crime. Especially if you are putting him to death. Yes, he probably did do it. However, you cannot convict someone on a "probably".

He's getting off easy. Five boys. Despicable.
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#372 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="garaa2007"]I'm sure they have enough evidence to convict the guy , just because the article is missing details doesn't mean a lack of evidence, and you cant find it on news websites simply because not every crime is detailed in all news websites, i read about this guy 2 days ago in an arabic news site and it also lacked details . Engrish_Major
Then why wouldn't they report the evidence? Was there blood in his car? Did they find his prints near the bodies? Were there witnesses to the killings? Those seem like they would be important details that would be reported in a news article about a trial. Don't you think?

The 7 year old boy was a witness. Why so quick to exonerate someone who preyed on children....continually?
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#373 Engrish_Major
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The 7 year old boy was a witness. Why so quick to exonerate someone who preyed on children....continually?LJS9502_basic
The 7-year-old was a witness tohis own attempted abduction. Not to the murders/rapes.

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#375 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The 7 year old boy was a witness. Why so quick to exonerate someone who preyed on children....continually?Engrish_Major

The 7-year-old was a witness tohis own attempted abduction. Not to the murders/rapes.

Pattern of behavior. The man is no innocent....plus wasn't the vehicle the same? And we come back to the confession. Which seals the deal. I can see why they convicted. It was not unjustly done.
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Pattern of behavior. The man is no innocent....plus wasn't the vehicle the same? And we come back to the confession. Which seals the deal. I can see why they convicted. It was not unjustly done.LJS9502_basic
We're going around in circles. The vehicle matched the description of a man's "suspicions" of what the murderer's vehicle looked like. Look at the DC sniper events a few years ago. Everyone was certain that they were using a white van. Turns out it was a blue sedan. And, back to the confession again, I made those points earlier. There's no way that evidence would convict a man of murder in a modern, civilized society.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]

Here you go then

"Saudi reports said that police used one of the survivors, a seven-year-old boy believed to be of Yemeni origin, to scour the area where he was molested, looking for the suspect's vehicle. Al-Ramaly allegedly confessed to the crime and was sentenced to death by a court in Hail, but appealed to a higher court in the capital, Riyadh"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6901317.ece

Okay, so he "allegedly" confessed. According to who? The web forum? Again, like I said, a confession can mean a lot of things (especially in Saudi Arabia). In this country, as well as other civilized nations, you need serious proof to convict someone of a serious crime. Especially if you are putting him to death. Yes, he probably did do it. However, you cannot convict someone on a "probably".

When an article also says a person has been found guilty that means that an investigation was most likely carried and evidence was found against the suspect to determine if he was guilty of the crimes accused. News articles don't go really deep into details most of the time. And the article itself says that he confessed. The web forum is mentioned later on in the article and they are the ones responsible of saying that "he laughed" while he confessed his crimes. Him "confessing his crimes" was not an allegation started by the web forum.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Pattern of behavior. The man is no innocent....plus wasn't the vehicle the same? And we come back to the confession. Which seals the deal. I can see why they convicted. It was not unjustly done.Engrish_Major
We're going around in circles. The vehicle matched the description of a man's "suspicions" of what the murderer's vehicle looked like. Look at the DC sniper events a few years ago. Everyone was certain that they were using a white van. Turns out it was a blue sedan. And, back to the confession again, I made those points earlier. There's no way that evidence would convict a man of murder in a modern, civilized society.

Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

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#379 Engrish_Major
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Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

LJS9502_basic
Saudi Arabian authorities have been known to torture people to get a confession.
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#380 drufeous
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Love it. I think they are going to easy on him though.

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#381 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

Engrish_Major
Saudi Arabian authorities have been known to torture people to get a confession.

An assumption of yours in this case. Anyway, you have strong anti Saudi Arabian bias apparently and nothing will convince you of his guilt.
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When an article also says a person has been found guilty that means that an investigation was most likely carried and evidence was found against the suspect to determine if he was guilty of the crimes accused. News articles don't go really deep into details most of the time. And the article itself says that he confessed. The web forum is mentioned later on in the article and they are the ones responsible of saying that "he laughed" while he confessed his crimes. Him "confessing his crimes" was not an allegation started by the web forum.cyberdarkkid
The web forums were stated as the source of his confession. And, stating that he has been found guilty does not imply that he received a fair trial. It just states that he was found guilty.
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#383 Engrish_Major
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An assumption of yours in this case. Anyway, you have strong anti Saudi Arabian bias apparently and nothing will convince you of his guilt. LJS9502_basic
Evidence would convince me of his guilt.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

Engrish_Major

Saudi Arabian authorities have been known to torture people to get a confession.

And cetain types of tourture are proven to get legitimate information out of people. Guy got what was coming to him. Hope he rots in hell.

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#385 Engrish_Major
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And cetain types of tourture are proven to get legitimate information out of people. Guy got what was coming to him. Hope he rots in hell.

drufeous

...as well as illegitimage information out of people.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] An assumption of yours in this case. Anyway, you have strong anti Saudi Arabian bias apparently and nothing will convince you of his guilt. Engrish_Major
Evidence would convince me of his guilt.

His confession not being accepted by you makes me think not.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] An assumption of yours in this case. Anyway, you have strong anti Saudi Arabian bias apparently and nothing will convince you of his guilt. Engrish_Major
Evidence would convince me of his guilt.

A full blown confession is all the evidence needed. Guilty.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

drufeous

Saudi Arabian authorities have been known to torture people to get a confession.

And cetain types of tourture are proven to get legitimate information out of people. Guy got what was coming to him. Hope he rots in hell.

He wasn't driven by mental issues or anything...

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#389 cyberdarkkid
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Which is not coincidental when you find he tried to abduct another male child. And the CONFESSION is key to the conviction. Not the car.

Engrish_Major
Saudi Arabian authorities have been known to torture people to get a confession.

You said you weren't going with a "probably", but this seems like a probably to me. You're saying he was probably "tortured" by Saudi Arabian authorities to get him to confess.
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

So you reckon beheading and crucifixion are more humane and valid than life in prison ?

flordeceres

I never called the punishment humane.

Quite honestly, just as long as the scum is killed I really don't care or feel any faint feelings of sympathy towards such an individual.

I just want him dead so he can't do it again.

Disregard the 'humane' bit, then.

So you'd rather slaughter a man that has absolutely no control over his actions to ensure this won't happen again over trying to help him ?

I love your assumption that the man has no control.

This isn't a case of some guy having a random schizophrenic breakdown. This is someone who went out and hunted down children and then proceeded to laugh about it afterwards.

Slaughter him like hes cattle I say. He isn't worth any more than that. They are just taking an extra step of making a public show out of it to try and show what happens when you screw up like that which while I don't neccessarily encourage I won't fight against it either.

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His confession not being accepted by you makes me think not.LJS9502_basic
We've already talked about this. You seem to have much faith in the Saudi Arabian judicial system.
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#392 Engrish_Major
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You said you weren't going with a "probably", but this seems like a probably to me. You're saying he was probably "tortured" by Saudi Arabian authorities to get him to confess.cyberdarkkid
I never said that he was "probably tortured". I stated that knowing Saudi Arabia's history, confessions should not be taken at face value.
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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I never called the punishment humane.

Quite honestly, just as long as the scum is killed I really don't care or feel any faint feelings of sympathy towards such an individual.

I just want him dead so he can't do it again.

LostProphetFLCL

Disregard the 'humane' bit, then.

So you'd rather slaughter a man that has absolutely no control over his actions to ensure this won't happen again over trying to help him ?

I love your assumption that the man has no control.

This isn't a case of some guy having a random schizophrenic breakdown. This is someone who went out and hunted down children and then proceeded to laugh about it afterwards.

Slaughter him like hes cattle I say. He isn't worth any more than that. They are just taking an extra step of making a public show out of it to try and show what happens when you screw up like that which while I don't neccessarily encourage I won't fight against it either.

You don't have control over what you're attracted to... you just are.

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#394 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]His confession not being accepted by you makes me think not.Engrish_Major
We've already talked about this. You seem to have much faith in the Saudi Arabian judicial system.

No. But I also know any group of people would rather find the person preying on their children than get a conviction for convictions sake and leave their children in harms way.
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#395 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="drufeous"]

A full blown confession is all the evidence needed. Guilty.

And all the evidence you need was provided by a "Saudi web forum"?
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#396 LJS9502_basic
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You don't have control over what you're attracted to... you just are.

flordeceres

You do have control over acting on those attractions however.....

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[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]You said you weren't going with a "probably", but this seems like a probably to me. You're saying he was probably "tortured" by Saudi Arabian authorities to get him to confess.Engrish_Major
I never said that he was "probably tortured". I stated that knowing Saudi Arabia's history, confessions should not be taken at face value.

You're assuming,
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#398 Engrish_Major
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No. But I also know any group of people would rather find the person preying on their children than get a conviction for convictions sake and leave their children in harms way. LJS9502_basic
And those people would like to know that the system found and removed the correct person. That's why we have due process in this country. By reading the articles, I find no reason to see that he was provided due process.
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#399 Engrish_Major
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You're assuming,cyberdarkkid
Yes. Based on the source of his "confession" is a "Saudi web forum".
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#400 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No. But I also know any group of people would rather find the person preying on their children than get a conviction for convictions sake and leave their children in harms way. Engrish_Major
And those people would like to know that the system found and removed the correct person. That's why we have due process in this country. By reading the articles, I find no reason to see that he was provided due process.

Yes. That is why it would be more important for them to find the correct person and not just get a conviction. Which is what your assumption has been all along. As they say...if it walks like a duck...and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. And he was not innocent.