Paedophile to be beheaded and crucified

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I read a psychological study that said pedophiles can't be reformed. And no...it wasn't on the internet.

LJS9502_basic

Psychological studies can be wrong and have been proved wrong.

And that point doesn't change the fact that he's a human being. We are civilized enough to find a solution for this problem without resorting to slaughter... I stand by psychological aid and life prison.

Sexual orientation isn't a mental disorder whereas pedophilia is c|assified as such.

I like the way think, it is right. But its hard for some people, especially that he raped little kids. And I believe that its your case, not a judge's case. If a man is 100% guilty, you should be able to punish him, not some judge. You should be able to decide his fate, not the judge. 7addadster

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"] what would you suggest as a reaction then?Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Psychological studies can be wrong and have been proved wrong.

And that point doesn't change the fact that he's a human being. We are civilized enough to find a solution for this problem without resorting to slaughter... I stand by psychological aid and life prison.

flordeceres

Sexual orientation isn't a mental disorder whereas pedophilia is c|assified as such.

It's the same as any sexual preference, people used to call homosexuality a mental disorder when it was (more) shunned upon by society, pedophilia is still highly looked down upon.

Sexual orientation isn't a mental disorder whereas pedophilia is c|assified as such.

flordeceres

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="7addadster"] Then what is supposed to appeal to their feelings ? Isnt that the purpose of justice? To make the victims families feel better? You think of it, someone killed your mother, how would you want justice to be served? I think any human with feelings would want to see their moms killer dead by sword.7addadster

If a guy killed my mother yes I may have the desire to lynch him or beat him with my own hands, but am I supposed to decide for that man's fate while I am hot-tempered and personally invlolved in the issue? Where has impartiality gone? Isnt that why the attribution of justice is handed over to people with no personal interference in the issue, who can think more clearly than I can if what you described happened to me?

You know when I was younger I used to listen the quote: "School along with practical knowledge, it also aims to make you a better person". I dont see that happening unfortunately.

I wont debate this.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]then again, in your opinion what is a good punishment for cases like this one , other than death ? will a life sentence prevent others from doing what he did ? and if so do you think a life sentence is good enough for a guy who raped kids and practically killed one , does this guy deserve to live ?Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="_Ben99_"] what would you suggest as a reaction then?_Ben99_

We don't have a high crime rate in Saudi compared to the western world's thanks to hwat you called "barbaric" punishments._Ben99_

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

LJS9502_basic

And I have heard from many that they can be. Seriously "This guy said it isn't possible...So just kill the guy in the most barbaric way possible instead of trying to reform." The attitudes people have to the mentally ill in this world are sickening to me.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

Pixel-Pirate

And I have heard from many that they can be.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

Pixel-Pirate

And I have heard from many that they can be. Seriously "This guy said it isn't possible...So just kill the guy in the most barbaric way possible instead of trying to reform." The attitudes people have to the mentally ill in this world are sickening to me.

Him finding children sexually attractive doesn't excuse the rape and murder, those two things aren't connected at all.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I read a psychological study that said pedophiles can't be reformed. And no...it wasn't on the internet.

LJS9502_basic

And I have heard from many that they can be.

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So orientation is choice then?

Yandere

Sexual orientation isn't a mental disorder whereas pedophilia is c|assified as such.

It's the same as any sexual preference, people used to call homosexuality a mental disorder when it was (more) shunned upon by society, pedophilia is still highly looked down upon.

And it always should be. Pardon me for asking, but by comparing paedophilia to homosexuality, are you justifying it?

I read a psychological study that said pedophiles can't be reformed. And no...it wasn't on the internet.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And I have heard from many that they can be.

flordeceres

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And I have heard from many that they can be.

flordeceres

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

Keeping prisoners (even more if it's a life sentence) takes a lot of cash, a 3rd world country like this would have a harder time doing that compared to America.

Meh...every country as their own justice system. If one finds the penalty too much...they shouldn't commit the crime.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I have never read ANY study stating that a pedophile stops being attracted to children. I'd like a link on that.....John_A_Zoidberg

I read a psychological study that said pedophiles can't be reformed. And no...it wasn't on the internet.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Meh...every country as their own justice system. If one finds the penalty too much...they shouldn't commit the crime.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="kulmiye"][QUOTE="Zerocrossings"]

Just curious, what are your doubts based on? Because its Saudi Arabia?

kulmiye

I totally agree with everyone who thinks the sentence is obscene, but despite my views on the consensus on morality and punishment in Saudi Arabia, I can't see a connection to why the court would require a lesser standard of proof in such a serious case as this one.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I have never read ANY study stating that a pedophile stops being attracted to children. I'd like a link on that.....Yandere

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

Keeping prisoners (even more if it's a life sentence) takes a lot of cash, a 3rd world country like this would have a harder time doing that compared to America.

So he should be put down like an animal for something he can't control ? Or maybe for personal revenge ? Hey, for 'justice' even.

It's not justified.

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I have never read ANY study stating that a pedophile stops being attracted to children. I'd like a link on that.....Yandere

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

Keeping prisoners (even more if it's a life sentence) takes a lot of cash, a 3rd world country like this would have a harder time doing that compared to America.

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I have never read ANY study stating that a pedophile stops being attracted to children. I'd like a link on that.....LJS9502_basic

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

As with any system ....mistakes happen. However, with DNA evidence that is happening less and less.

LJS9502_basic

Looks like people here misunderstand Sharia.

The judicidal system is based on forgiveness (for the most part). Tawbah (remorse for a certain action) is strongly encouraged in Islam. But if you feel that you deserve the punishment, then accept it. Let me give you an example; if someone cheats on his/her partner, the Qisas (physical punishment) is flogging. But if a reconciliation is made with the husband and wife and the perpetrator makes tawbah, then he/she is dismissed. I have proved this because if you read the Quran, you will see that tawbah is essential to a Muslim's way of life.

But in some cases, this simply cannot apply. If someone has done a despicable crime, then they must accept their punishment regardless (And no, crucifiction is completely unecessary). These should be rare, and only if the person has commited a greivous crime, like genocide and raping inoccent people.

Saudi Arabia is a corrupt country, enough said.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Meh...every country as their own justice system. If one finds the penalty too much...they shouldn't commit the crime.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Sexual orientation isn't a mental disorder whereas pedophilia is c|assified as such.

NinjaDuckling

It's the same as any sexual preference, people used to call homosexuality a mental disorder when it was (more) shunned upon by society, pedophilia is still highly looked down upon.

And it always should be. Pardon me for asking, but by comparing paedophilia to homosexuality, are you justifying it?

Yes, I don't find ANY sexual preference "wrong", anyways I'm a lolicon.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

As with any system ....mistakes happen. However, with DNA evidence that is happening less and less.

Engrish_Major

Looks like people here misunderstand Sharia.

The system is based on forgiveness (for the most part). Tawbah (remorse for a certain action) is strongly encouraged in Islam. But if you feel that you deserve the punishment, then accept it. Let me give you an example; if someone cheats on his/her partner, the Qisas (physical punishment) is flogging. But if a reconciliation is made with the husband and wife and the perpetrator makes tawbah, then he/she is dismissed. I have proved this because if you read the Quran, you will see that tawbah is essential to a Muslim's way of life.

But in some cases, this simply cannot apply. If someone has done a despicable crime, then they must accept their punishment regardless (And no, crucifiction is completely unecessary). These should be rare, and only if the person has commited a greivous crime, like genocide and raping inoccent people.

Saudi Arabia is a corrupt country, enough said.

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Whether they can or cannot, life in prison would suffice to avoid those circumstances

flordeceres

Keeping prisoners (even more if it's a life sentence) takes a lot of cash, a 3rd world country like this would have a harder time doing that compared to America.

So he should be put down like an animal for something he can't control ? Or maybe for personal revenge ? Hey, for 'justice' even.

It's not justified.

The justice system has no existed for the purpouse of justice in ages. It exists to punish someone for a crime and to make the victims feel better. Justice system just sounds better than the Revenge System.

I can understand some people wanting the guy killed. I am disgusted that some are supporting the barbaric means of execution and basically saying "He can't be reformed! Don't even try! Just draw and quarter the guy!"

I really don't have faith in humanity.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Looks like people here misunderstand Sharia.

The system is based on forgiveness (for the most part). Tawbah (remorse for a certain action) is strongly encouraged in Islam. But if you feel that you deserve the punishment, then accept it. Let me give you an example; if someone cheats on his/her partner, the Qisas (physical punishment) is flogging. But if a reconciliation is made with the husband and wife and the perpetrator makes tawbah, then he/she is dismissed. I have proved this because if you read the Quran, you will see that tawbah is essential to a Muslim's way of life.

But in some cases, this simply cannot apply. If someone has done a despicable crime, then they must accept their punishment regardless (And no, crucifiction is completely unecessary). These should be rare, and only if the person has commited a greivous crime, like genocide and raping inoccent people.

Saudi Arabia is a corrupt country, enough said.

Vfanek

[QUOTE="NinjaDuckling"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

It's the same as any sexual preference, people used to call homosexuality a mental disorder when it was (more) shunned upon by society, pedophilia is still highly looked down upon.

Yandere

And it always should be. Pardon me for asking, but by comparing paedophilia to homosexuality, are you justifying it?

Yes, I don't find ANY sexual preference "wrong", anyways I'm a lolicon.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Meh...every country as their own justice system. If one finds the penalty too much...they shouldn't commit the crime.Engrish_Major

You think he was not guilty?LJS9502_basic

****ing savages...

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="NinjaDuckling"]

And it always should be. Pardon me for asking, but by comparing paedophilia to homosexuality, are you justifying it?

NinjaDuckling

Yes, I don't find ANY sexual preference "wrong", anyways I'm a lolicon.

It's fine, I take no note of real children, anyways *my* attraction is not of the age it's how they look at that age.

I've always thought of physical harm as punishment to be sadistic. There is no reason for it beyond "that'll teach him"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You think he was not guilty?Engrish_Major

No offense, but I find that a bit disturbing. There has to be a line drawn somewhere; pedophilia crosses that line. Then again, to each his own.NinjaDuckling

Looks like people here misunderstand Sharia.

The system is based on forgiveness (for the most part). Tawbah (remorse for a certain action) is strongly encouraged in Islam. But if you feel that you deserve the punishment, then accept it. Let me give you an example; if someone cheats on his/her partner, the Qisas (physical punishment) is flogging. But if a reconciliation is made with the husband and wife and the perpetrator makes tawbah, then he/she is dismissed. I have proved this because if you read the Quran, you will see that tawbah is essential to a Muslim's way of life.

But in some cases, this simply cannot apply. If someone has done a despicable crime, then they must accept their punishment regardless (And no, crucifiction is completely unecessary). These should be rare, and only if the person has commited a greivous crime, like genocide and raping inoccent people.

Saudi Arabia is a corrupt country, enough said.

You have read all the evidence in the case or are you going by an internet story?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You have read all the evidence in the case or are you going by an internet story?Engrish_Major

LoL because THIS will teach him! Not only that, but we are giving him a taste of his own medicine, but STRONGER medicine! Let's teach him that rape means murder! And also that instead of eating garbage and getting in fights in jail he will rot in the ground painlessly! AlphaRail

Couldn't they just make him read and post in System wars for 10 years? That would be enough!

[QUOTE="AlphaRail"]LoL because THIS will teach him! Not only that, but we are giving him a taste of his own medicine, but STRONGER medicine! Let's teach him that rape means murder! And also that instead of eating garbage and getting in fights in jail he will rot in the ground painlessly! impl0sion

No. I've read many a thread here that is one sided and biased. If you haven't heard what the government provided as evidence than you can't really assume he's innocent.LJS9502_basic