I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.xaos
With this, I most certainly agree.
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I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.xaos
With this, I most certainly agree.
I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.xaosWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow.
[QUOTE="xaos"]I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.MetalGear_NintyWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. We get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="xaos"]I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.duxupWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. We get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible. I suggest you look uo strawman -- because that wasn't a strawman. He said he found the two equally disgusting, therefore he is in some sense equating the two. Now, do you have anything elese to add, or is that it?
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="xaos"]I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.duxupWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. We get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible. Thanks, I appreciate you pointing that out. Ninty, I have no sympathy for the rapist. My position is not based on the notion that he is some sort of victim. It is based on the fact that I consider a government murdering its citizens for any reason, particularly in such a brutal manner, to be morally repugnant.
[QUOTE="xaos"]I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.MetalGear_NintyWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. technically, he expressed a range of disgust for the state's reaction. not an actual equation.
[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Wow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. MetalGear_NintyWe get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible. I suggest you look uo strawman -- because that wasn't a strawman. He said he found the two equally disgusting, therefore he is in some sense equating the two. Reread; I did not say that I found them equally disgusting.
Honestly, great idea IMO.
Kill the ******* and get him out of peoples hair for good. He likely ruined 5 kids lives so he deserves such a punishment if not something worse.
Maybe they can torture him a bit before the crucifixtion?
[QUOTE="xaos"]I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.MetalGear_NintyWow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. I live around the DC area. Remember the sniper a few years ago? People were histerical around here. Eyewitnesses at multiple sites stated that they saw a white van during the fired shots, which then drove away. For a few weeks, everyone that drove a white van was pulled over multiple times. Do you remember what it turns out that the snipers drove? A small blue sedan.
Remember that a society's knee-jerk reaction can cause unjustifyable acts. Based upon the article supplied in this thread, the main evidence against the accused is that he tried to pick up a child walking home from school, and his car matched other eyewitness accounts.
[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Wow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. MetalGear_NintyWe get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible. I suggest you look uo strawman -- because that wasn't a strawman. He said he found the two equally disgusting, therefore he is in some sense equating the two. Now, do you have anything elese to add, or is that it? You could try that yourself too? Obviously his issue isn't with the the prosecution of people who commit such crimes... but you know that.
[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Wow, you would equate the persecution of a peadophile rapist, to the actual acts of that rapist. Wow...just wow. xaosWe get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible. Thanks, I appreciate you pointing that out. Ninty, I have no sympathy for the rapist. My position is not based on the notion that he is some sort of victim. It is based on the fact that I consider a government murdering its citizens for any reason, particularly in such a brutal manner, to be morally repugnant. I have no qualms with you saying the government's actions are morally repugnant, that is understandable. I just don't think you can equate that moral repugnancy with the moral repugnancy you fell towards the rapist. NB: On second thoughts, my post to yours was unnecessary; you've caught me in a bad mood.
[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="duxup"] We get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible.MetalGear_NintyThanks, I appreciate you pointing that out. Ninty, I have no sympathy for the rapist. My position is not based on the notion that he is some sort of victim. It is based on the fact that I consider a government murdering its citizens for any reason, particularly in such a brutal manner, to be morally repugnant. I have no qualms with you saying the government's actions are morally repugnant, that is understandable. I just don't think you can equate that moral repugnancy with the moral repugnancy you fell towards the rapist. NB: On second thoughts, my post to yours was unnecessary; you've caught me in a bad mood. I appreciate you saying that, but its understandable that people would get heated when so many hot button issues such as child sexual assault and the death penalty are all wrapped into one case. No worries on that count.
I can't help but agree with you.Honestly, great idea IMO.
Kill the ******* and get him out of peoples hair for good. He likely ruined 5 kids lives so he deserves such a punishment if not something worse.
Maybe they can torture him a bit before the crucifixtion?
LostProphetFLCL
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="duxup"] We get some bad srawmen on here... that was terrible.duxupI suggest you look uo strawman -- because that wasn't a strawman. He said he found the two equally disgusting, therefore he is in some sense equating the two. Now, do you have anything elese to add, or is that it? You could try that yourself too? Obviously his issue isn't with the the prosecution of people who commit such crimes... but you know that. You know I didn't mean persecution per se, but the actual degree of persecution is what I meant. I obviously didn't think that he thought that the actual persecution of the rapist was wrong. I thought it was obvious that that was what I meant, but obviously not. Thanks, I'll remeber to spell everything out next time.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="xaos"] Thanks, I appreciate you pointing that out. Ninty, I have no sympathy for the rapist. My position is not based on the notion that he is some sort of victim. It is based on the fact that I consider a government murdering its citizens for any reason, particularly in such a brutal manner, to be morally repugnant.xaosI have no qualms with you saying the government's actions are morally repugnant, that is understandable. I just don't think you can equate that moral repugnancy with the moral repugnancy you fell towards the rapist. NB: On second thoughts, my post to yours was unnecessary; you've caught me in a bad mood. I appreciate you saying that, but its understandable that people would get heated when so many hot button issues such as child sexual assault and the death penalty are all wrapped into one case. No worries on that count. Thanks, I appreciate your understanding.
Crucifixions are sooo yesterday. They must be like so totally still wearing poodle skirts and bobby socks. As if. Whatev', I'm gonna go shopping.
I think that it was too much. I'd just kill him, but anyway there should be respect for other's legal system.curono
not according to the supporters of the "human rights" doctrine. you, know the charter that was written and ratified by a handful of people 60+ years ago and declared universal law of humanity.
so are they going to chop his head off first then cruify him
or crucify him then just chop his head off while hes up there
[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]So, they're relying on the testimony of a 7 year old to convict the man and execute him?BiancaDKseems solid, no?
Ok seems like a whole argument started after this just because the link provided didn't state that the guy actually admitted his crimes
"One Saudi Web forum said police were surprised when he laughed as he confessed to the rapes and murder"
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/04/Saudi-man-faces-beheading-and-crucifixion/UPI-57291257353172/
The child's testimony was not really taken as evidence but it helped identify the suspect like the link in the OP said.
BTW that doesn't mean I agree with the execution, I think it would have been better if the man rotted in jail for the rest of his life, he's probably going to get treated the same way he treated those children in there. Also, I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
Jesus was beheaded?Also,I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
cyberdarkkid
Also, I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.Crucifixion was not only done on Jesus. It's very old form of punishment dating back to the Roman empire.cyberdarkkid
[QUOTE="curono"]I think that it was too much. I'd just kill him, but anyway there should be respect for other's legal system.majwill24
not according to the supporters of the "human rights" doctrine. you, know the charter that was written and ratified by a handful of people 60+ years ago and declared universal law of humanity.
Just curious are you Muslim?Crucifixion was not only done on Jesus. It's very old form of punishment dating back to the Roman empire. Yes I know that.[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Also, I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
ghoklebutter
That's a weird way to go. They should make him wear a crown of thorns and a loincloth while they're at it.
seems solid, no?[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]So, they're relying on the testimony of a 7 year old to convict the man and execute him?cyberdarkkid
Ok seems like a whole argument started after this just because the link provided didn't state that the guy actually admitted his crimes
"One Saudi Web forum said police were surprised when he laughed as he confessed to the rapes and murder"
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/04/Saudi-man-faces-beheading-and-crucifixion/UPI-57291257353172/
The child's testimony was not really taken as evidence but it helped identify the suspect like the link in the OP said.
BTW that doesn't mean I agree with the execution, I think it would have been better if the man rotted in jail for the rest of his life, he's probably going to get treated the same way he treated those children in there. Also, I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
Saudi Arabia gets a lot of confessions. Their procedures to get confessions from folks who have made it out reportedly include torture. I don't know if the dude did it or not but the confession alone doesn't convince me, particularly from that justice system. I hope they got the right guy.[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"]Jesus was beheaded? Ok maybe not die, but he's going to be crucified.Also,I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
Engrish_Major
[QUOTE="majwill24"][QUOTE="curono"]I think that it was too much. I'd just kill him, but anyway there should be respect for other's legal system.ghoklebutter
not according to the supporters of the "human rights" doctrine. you, know the charter that was written and ratified by a handful of people 60+ years ago and declared universal law of humanity.
Just curious are you Muslim?Nope. I'm an Atheist.
[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] seems solid, no?duxup
Ok seems like a whole argument started after this just because the link provided didn't state that the guy actually admitted his crimes
"One Saudi Web forum said police were surprised when he laughed as he confessed to the rapes and murder"
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/International/2009/11/04/Saudi-man-faces-beheading-and-crucifixion/UPI-57291257353172/
The child's testimony was not really taken as evidence but it helped identify the suspect like the link in the OP said.
BTW that doesn't mean I agree with the execution, I think it would have been better if the man rotted in jail for the rest of his life, he's probably going to get treated the same way he treated those children in there. Also, I find it offensive that a man like this disgusting is going to die like Jesus Christ did.
Saudi Arabia gets a lot of confessions. Their procedures to get confessions from folks who have made it out reportedly include torture. I don't know if the dude did it or not but the confession alone doesn't convince me, particularly from that justice system. I hope they got the right guy. Yea good point, but if the man really was laughing as he confessed then most likely they caught the right guy,Just curious are you Muslim?[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="majwill24"]
not according to the supporters of the "human rights" doctrine. you, know the charter that was written and ratified by a handful of people 60+ years ago and declared universal law of humanity.
majwill24
Nope. I'm an Atheist.
I had a feeling you were.Why don't they crucify and then behead him... slowly?? Seems kind of pointless to tie him up to a cross after he's dead don't you think?
Word has it before beheading they also drug the victim and bleed them before they cut their head off so they don't quite know what is going on before the beheading and make a scene, or bleed all over the place. Considering it is done publicly much of it is for show.Why don't they crucify and then behead him... slowly?? Seems kind of pointless to tie him up to a cross after he's dead don't you think?
elblanquito_81
[QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]Word has it before beheading they also drug the victim and bleed them before they cut their head off so they don't quite know what is going on before the beheading and make a scene, or bleed all over the place. Considering it is done publicly much of it is for show. Well that sucks. I think it'd be better if the condemned knew what was about to happen. That'll give 'em something to think about in their last few minutes of life. (Normally I'm not this vengeful but I really have no sympathy for someone who rapes and murders children)Why don't they crucify and then behead him... slowly?? Seems kind of pointless to tie him up to a cross after he's dead don't you think?
duxup
But now that you mention it, I have seen a few vids of these public executions and noticed that the condemned is always unusually calm, so maybe there is some truth to that rumor.
Word has it before beheading they also drug the victim and bleed them before they cut their head off so they don't quite know what is going on before the beheading and make a scene, or bleed all over the place. Considering it is done publicly much of it is for show. Well that sucks. I think it'd be better if the condemned knew what was about to happen. That'll give 'em something to think about in their last few minutes of life. (Normally I'm not this vengeful but I really have no sympathy for someone who rapes and murders children)[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="elblanquito_81"]
Why don't they crucify and then behead him... slowly?? Seems kind of pointless to tie him up to a cross after he's dead don't you think?
elblanquito_81
But now that you mention it, I have seen a few vids of these public executions and noticed that the condemned is always unusually calm, so maybe there is some truth to that rumor.
Well if you're going to do it publicly, and particularly you're a despotic government, I think then you're going for the "Hey look at this terrible person we're protecting you from! As terrible as they are they are now all submissive and accept the fate now that we got a hold of them! That will learn those terrible people! They even confessed so we know this is all on the up and up!" kind a thing. You don't want a lot of shrieking or crying that might make the government seem cruel to your own people, or might upset allies that aren't into that kind of thing. Keep in mind this is a government that during soccer matches on their big screen don't advertise for Dairy Queen, but plays sometimes government propaganda noting that particular acts or organizations are "sinful". Having a monopoly on right and wrong / morality and showing how strong you are is a big deal for a lot of these despotic governments, particularly the religious ones.I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is.John_A_Zoidberg
I know people personally who were violated as children and have seen first hand how it can screw them up mentally.
Rapists deserve nothing less than painful death. Part of me wishes I could be the executioner....
Crucifixion and beheading are completely unnecessary, I just don't see the point of it...
The man was clearly mentally ill, as it was understandably out of his control. He needed psychiatric help. Not pointless slaughter.
[QUOTE="John_A_Zoidberg"]I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is.D_BatteryI concur. It seems even Western sensibility gets thrown out the window when it comes to this sort of thing, which is sad. As a Saudi, I believe those punishments been havin' postitive effects from where I see it
[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="John_A_Zoidberg"]I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is._Ben99_I concur. It seems even Western sensibility gets thrown out the window when it comes to this sort of thing, which is sad. As a Saudi, I believe those punishments been havin' postitive effects from where I see it Don't you think it's a bit barbaric in some cases though?
[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="John_A_Zoidberg"]I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is._Ben99_I concur. It seems even Western sensibility gets thrown out the window when it comes to this sort of thing, which is sad. As a Saudi, I believe those punishments been havin' postitive effects from where I see it That's a popular argument, utterly unsupported by data. Otherwise, Texas, which has executed 300-450 citizens annually since 1990 would be a crime free paradise by now. However, San Antonio in Texas with a population of 1.3 million had 556 violent crimes in 2007 as opposed to San Diego, CA whose population of 1.2 million had 502 violent crimes, despite California having issued a moratorium on executions a year earlier. It's public catharsis, that's all.
[QUOTE="D_Battery"][QUOTE="John_A_Zoidberg"]I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is._Ben99_I concur. It seems even Western sensibility gets thrown out the window when it comes to this sort of thing, which is sad. As a Saudi, I believe those punishments been havin' postitive effects from where I see it Considering most of us here are westerners though, it saddens me to see so many condoning something so contrary to Western notions of justice.
Crucifixion and beheading are completely unnecessary, I just don't see the point of it...
The man was clearly mentally ill, as it was understandably out of his control. He needed psychiatric help. Not pointless slaughter.
flordeceres
There are PLENTY of people who are way beyond help though, and this is a good example of one of them.
When it comes to people who are raping, murdering, and then laughing about it, they are not just mentally ill but full-blown psychotic to a frightening level.
His attitude suggests him having anti-social personality disorder and personality disorders are known to be incredibly hard if not impossible to treat as it is a flaw in their PERSONALITY, not some simple chemical imbalance or something of that nature. People with personality disorders are known to be almost impossible to convince they have a problem because they see nothing wrong with the way they are.
I believe very much in helping the mentally ill and have made a point to talk to people about their issues, but in cases like this there is no hope. You can lock them up in a mental institute for the rest of their lives they still will not get any better.
It is extremely dangerous keeping such a person alive as theres a good chance that he would repeat his actions if given an oppurtunity. Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.
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