Paedophile to be beheaded and crucified

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#101 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"] Yeah to you but personally I have the right to second guess the court decision even if it will never be heard.kulmiye

Just curious, what are your doubts based on? Because its Saudi Arabia?

Well from what I've gathered from various media outlets and word from mouth. Saudi Arabia not only punishes those that commit murder,rape and other serious crimes with death sentence but also those who publicly denounce Islam as their main religion and homosexuality with the same punishment.
I totally agree with everyone who thinks the sentence is obscene, but despite my views on the consensus on morality and punishment in Saudi Arabia, I can't see a connection to why the court would require a lesser standard of proof in such a serious case as this one.jimmyjammer69
I'm not sure as to what your trying to say but I'm going to try and give you a reply. Rape and pedophile generally tends to be tricky when it comes to proof unless there is solid evidence. For example in UK there was law stating that it was illegal to rape your wife until 1991. All I'm saying is that one would require more evidence for such a serous crime.

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#102 Engrish_Major
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Well did they prove that he did NOT do it?GrandJury
The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant.
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#103 Kamekazi_69
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[QUOTE="GrandJury"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]barbarians.BiancaDK
And what is he?

mentally sick? All i am seeing here, is an article about a justice system deeming it alright to off a mentally sick individual with techniques best left pre-A.D.

So he's a victim? And the toddler just happened to be unlucky? Its easy to say things in the end zones but I garantee you would be saying something different if it was your child. I think it should be the fathers decision also, and whatever he chooses I am for it. The guy is scum.
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#104 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] "Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking." I don't know if that number really is so far off the number in America.

There are roughly 26 million Saudis compared to the 300 million Americans.
no...it's not my opion...my opinion on this doesn't matter....it's the opinion of the court as to which he deservedness is attached....I agree that if this man did this de deserves this and more....but again..the court decides if he desserves the sentence....not me...Omni-Slash
All the court does is deem whether this man is guilty or not and how big a punishment he requires based on the crime. Whether he deserved it or not is of personal preference.
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#105 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="kulmiye"] [QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I totally agree with everyone who thinks the sentence is obscene, but despite my views on the consensus on morality and punishment in Saudi Arabia, I can't see a connection to why the court would require a lesser standard of proof in such a serious case as this one.

I'm not sure as to what your trying to say but I'm going to try and give you a reply. Rape and pedophile generally tends to be tricky when it comes to proof unless there is solid evidence. For example in UK there was law stating that it was illegal to rape your wife until 1991. All I'm saying is that one would require more evidence for such a serous crime.

So you're saying that all evidence from victims of sexual crimes (as opposed to any others) should be dismissed because...? Or am I misinterpreting you, and you're just saying that there should be more solid evidence in this case than just unreliable heresay, eg. dead bodies and forensic testing? If that's what you meant then I agree, and that's why I'm assuming the court had strong evidence for the conviction. I can't see that we've got any evidence to the contrary - not even a child's statement.
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#106 bean-with-bacon
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That is barbaric :|
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#107 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="kulmiye"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] "Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking." I don't know if that number really is so far off the number in America.

There are roughly 26 million Saudis compared to the 300 million Americans.

Sorry, but I've kind of lost the point of what you were arguing here. The death penalty is kind of backwards AFAIC - I'm not disputing that. But you're saying that because the Saudis lop off more capita per capita than the US, that means that they require a lower standard of evidence to prove guilt? It's possible I've confused your ideas because that doesn't really follow for me.
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#108 duxup
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[QUOTE="GrandJury"]Well did they prove that he did NOT do it?Engrish_Major
The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant.

I don't know the details of the case noted in this thread. However, the Saudi justice system, and most such systems under despotic governments, are hardly under the same burden of proof no matter what they claim that we find in other nations.
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#109 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="CaptainSchwamm"] I'm going to use the old cliche of "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind". Justice systems shouldn't be about seeking personal revenge. Sure, killing him might offer some relief to the families, but after that, what does it actually achieve? Ontain
one less predator on the streets and using our resources?

You live in Saudi Arabia?

I personally can't condone any execution. I simply don't believe in the death sentence. To me it is no more than state sponsored murder.

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#110 x3ni1992
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l-o-l its his fault for raping infants, and not getting paid for it.
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#111 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]one less predator on the streets and using our resources?Pixel-Pirate

You live in Saudi Arabia?

I personally can't condone any execution. I simply don't believe in the death sentence. To me it is no more than state sponsored murder.

I don't live in Saudi Arabia. but if this was in the US i wouldn't be for the death sentence because we aren't very good at it. it costs more than keeping him in prison here. if this guy is clearly the person behind these acts then I don't believe he can be rehabilitated. Pedophilia is not the same as robbing someone. some time in prison won't fix him or set him straight.

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#112 kulmiye
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Your Second point is what I'm trying say and if you read the article it was the child who identify him and if there was forensic they should have stated as so.

[QUOTE="kulmiye"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] "Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking." I don't know if that number really is so far off the number in America.jimmyjammer69
There are roughly 26 million Saudis compared to the 300 million Americans.

Sorry, but I've kind of lost the point of what you were arguing here. The death penalty is kind of backwards AFAIC - I'm not disputing that. But you're saying that because the Saudis lop off more capita per capita than the US, that means that they require a lower standard of evidence to prove guilt? It's possible I've confused your ideas because that doesn't really follow for me.

No, no. What I'm trying to is that there are 300 million people in America that can be subjected to the death sentence so long as they commit the crime in a state that still carries out the death sentence whereas there only 26 million people in SA. So the fact that there are supposedly an equal number of death sentences carried out between both countries says a lot.

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#113 makaveli_89
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I think people like that who do those things to innocent children don't deserve to live..
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#114 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="kulmiye"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Your Second point is what I'm trying say and if you read the article it was the child who identify him and if there was forensic they should have stated as so.[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] There are roughly 26 million Saudis compared to the 300 million Americans.

Sorry, but I've kind of lost the point of what you were arguing here. The death penalty is kind of backwards AFAIC - I'm not disputing that. But you're saying that because the Saudis lop off more capita per capita than the US, that means that they require a lower standard of evidence to prove guilt? It's possible I've confused your ideas because that doesn't really follow for me.

No, no. What I'm trying to is that there are 300 million people in America that can be subjected to the death sentence so long as they commit the crime in a state that still carries out the death sentence whereas there only 26 million people in SA. So the fact that there are supposedly an equal number of death sentences carried out between both countries says a lot.

Oh, ok. I'm easily confused after so little sleep :P Yeah, I think it's time that America rethought it's own barbaric penal (titter) system since Americans can't yet rule on other countries' matters but they can reform their own means of punishment.
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#115 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]one less predator on the streets and using our resources?Ontain

You live in Saudi Arabia?

I personally can't condone any execution. I simply don't believe in the death sentence. To me it is no more than state sponsored murder.

I don't live in Saudi Arabia. but if this was in the US i wouldn't be for the death sentence because we aren't very good at it. it costs more than keeping him in prison here. if this guy is clearly the person behind these acts then I don't believe he can but rehabilitated. Pedophilia is not the same as robbing someone. some time in prison won't fix him or set him straight.

All I can say to that is that I don't agree.

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#116 duxup
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[QUOTE="kulmiye"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Sorry, but I've kind of lost the point of what you were arguing here. The death penalty is kind of backwards AFAIC - I'm not disputing that. But you're saying that because the Saudis lop off more capita per capita than the US, that means that they require a lower standard of evidence to prove guilt? It's possible I've confused your ideas because that doesn't really follow for me.jimmyjammer69
No, no. What I'm trying to is that there are 300 million people in America that can be subjected to the death sentence so long as they commit the crime in a state that still carries out the death sentence whereas there only 26 million people in SA. So the fact that there are supposedly an equal number of death sentences carried out between both countries says a lot.

Oh, ok. I'm easily confused after so little sleep :P Yeah, I think it's time that America rethought it's own barbaric penal (titter) system since Americans can't yet rule on other countries' matters but they can reform their own means of punishment.

It has been a while since the American government has put anyone up for the death penalty for witchcraft.
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#117 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="kulmiye"] No, no. What I'm trying to is that there are 300 million people in America that can be subjected to the death sentence so long as they commit the crime in a state that still carries out the death sentence whereas there only 26 million people in SA. So the fact that there are supposedly an equal number of death sentences carried out between both countries says a lot.

Oh, ok. I'm easily confused after so little sleep :P Yeah, I think it's time that America rethought it's own barbaric penal (titter) system since Americans can't yet rule on other countries' matters but they can reform their own means of punishment.

It has been a while since the American government has put anyone up for the death penalty for witchcraft.

Hehe... I hope so. I don't know, I'm never going to be a supporter of the death penalty as it exists in the USA or in Saudi Arabia. I do think it's a kind of witchburning, even if it's not literal in America, and it's more about burning scapegoats than solving problems at the roots.
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#118 BiancaDK
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I think people like that who do those things to innocent children don't deserve to live..makaveli_89

Good thing the ball ain´t ever in your court then, huh. :s

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#119 majwill24
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

You live in Saudi Arabia?

I personally can't condone any execution. I simply don't believe in the death sentence. To me it is no more than state sponsored murder.

Pixel-Pirate

I don't live in Saudi Arabia. but if this was in the US i wouldn't be for the death sentence because we aren't very good at it. it costs more than keeping him in prison here. if this guy is clearly the person behind these acts then I don't believe he can but rehabilitated. Pedophilia is not the same as robbing someone. some time in prison won't fix him or set him straight.

All I can say to that is that I don't agree.

Why? Is it a religious thing?

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#120 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="GrandJury"]And what is he?Kamekazi_69
mentally sick? All i am seeing here, is an article about a justice system deeming it alright to off a mentally sick individual with techniques best left pre-A.D.

So he's a victim? And the toddler just happened to be unlucky? Its easy to say things in the end zones but I garantee you would be saying something different if it was your child. I think it should be the fathers decision also, and whatever he chooses I am for it. The guy is scum.

The justice system should not be used as someones tool for revenge. There would likely be less pedophiles if mental treatment was more readily available.

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#121 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"] I don't live in Saudi Arabia. but if this was in the US i wouldn't be for the death sentence because we aren't very good at it. it costs more than keeping him in prison here. if this guy is clearly the person behind these acts then I don't believe he can but rehabilitated. Pedophilia is not the same as robbing someone. some time in prison won't fix him or set him straight. majwill24

All I can say to that is that I don't agree.

Why? Is it a religious thing?

No. But there is nothing I can refute in his post because it is his opinion. So All I can say is that I do not agree.

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#122 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Oh, ok. I'm easily confused after so little sleep :P Yeah, I think it's time that America rethought it's own barbaric penal (titter) system since Americans can't yet rule on other countries' matters but they can reform their own means of punishment.

Don't worry I was multitasking at the time of my post (eating). So it could have been my fault for confusing you. :P
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#123 duxup
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Oh, ok. I'm easily confused after so little sleep :P Yeah, I think it's time that America rethought it's own barbaric penal (titter) system since Americans can't yet rule on other countries' matters but they can reform their own means of punishment.

It has been a while since the American government has put anyone up for the death penalty for witchcraft.

Hehe... I hope so. I don't know, I'm never going to be a supporter of the death penalty as it exists in the USA or in Saudi Arabia. I do think it's a kind of witchburning, even if it's not literal in America, and it's more about burning scapegoats than solving problems at the roots.

How is it "witchburning"? While I don't agree with the death penalty even a cursory knowledge of the practice provides you with the reasons for doing it. If you agree or not is a different matter. What I don't get is your assertion that the individual people of nation A can not take issue with another nation B's actions if for some reason you decide that nation A didn't do something you like... under that premise nobody has a right to say anything about anything...
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[QUOTE="makaveli_89"]I think people like that who do those things to innocent children don't deserve to live..BiancaDK

Good thing the ball ain´t ever in your court then, huh. :s

lol why are you taking this so personally? You are so unwilling to discuss anything as you said to omni yet you come back with your one liners.
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#125 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="makaveli_89"]I think people like that who do those things to innocent children don't deserve to live..makaveli_89

Good thing the ball ain´t ever in your court then, huh. :s

lol why are you taking this so personally? You are so unwilling to discuss anything as you said to omni yet you come back with your one liners.

She's good like that. It's how she brings all the boys to the yard like Kelis does with her milkshakes.
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#126 BiancaDK
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[QUOTE="makaveli_89"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

I think people like that who do those things to innocent children don't deserve to live..makaveli_89

Good thing the ball ain´t ever in your court then, huh. :s

lol why are you taking this so personally? You are so unwilling to discuss anything as you said to omni yet you come back with your one liners.

I think you´re the one who´s taking anything on a personal level. I´m not the one advocating borderline genocide, am i. 2ndly, i am unwilling to discuss (discourse?), but i am completely open for socratic dialogue, as i pointed out.
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"] It has been a while since the American government has put anyone up for the death penalty for witchcraft.

Hehe... I hope so. I don't know, I'm never going to be a supporter of the death penalty as it exists in the USA or in Saudi Arabia. I do think it's a kind of witchburning, even if it's not literal in America, and it's more about burning scapegoats than solving problems at the roots.

How is it "witchburning"? While I don't agree with the death penalty even a cursory knowledge of the practice provides you with the reasons for doing it. If you agree or not is a different matter. What I don't get is your assertion that the individual people of nation A can not take issue with another nation B's actions if for some reason you decide that nation A didn't do something you like... under that premise nobody has a right to say anything about anything...

You create a scapegoat of a certain person or group of people, you project all of your negativity onto those people, then you hunt them down and destroy them. It makes you feel better about yourself for being unlike them and purges your collective conscience - that's why I call it witchburning, although granted, that applies to more than just capital punishment. For "you", read "any nation" - I'm not trying to get personal, and I know that Britain's just as guilty, particularly with recent attacks on immigrants and the rise of the pure, white right. I'm not "asserting" that nations can't criticise each other, I was just saying that America also carries out capital punishment, and however justified you may feel it is, most outsiders see death by electrocution as barbaric too. I'm not about to get into a huge debate comparing Saudi Arabia and Texas, because I think both, in this arena, could do with serious penal reform.
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#128 GazaAli
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i hail to KSA, criminals should see no mercy.
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#129 bacon_is_sweet
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I know it seems extreme for westerners, but its hard to feel sorry for someone like that.

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#130 Talldude80
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sounds a little over the top. But i dunno, maybe they just have really good evidence to prove this guy is really twisted. more than likely the court system is just really mad and wants to set an example. The crucifiction part is a little excessive. He's already dead, it's not punishment anymore. a little barbaric, but if he was found guilty and thats what they do, then good. I am all for the death penalty. sure beats spending $$$$ to keep people alive in prison.

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#131 duxup
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Hehe... I hope so. I don't know, I'm never going to be a supporter of the death penalty as it exists in the USA or in Saudi Arabia. I do think it's a kind of witchburning, even if it's not literal in America, and it's more about burning scapegoats than solving problems at the roots.

How is it "witchburning"? While I don't agree with the death penalty even a cursory knowledge of the practice provides you with the reasons for doing it. If you agree or not is a different matter. What I don't get is your assertion that the individual people of nation A can not take issue with another nation B's actions if for some reason you decide that nation A didn't do something you like... under that premise nobody has a right to say anything about anything...

You create a scapegoat of a certain person or group of people, you project all of your negativity onto those people, then you hunt them down and destroy them. It makes you feel better about yourself for being unlike them and purges your collective conscience - that's why I call it witchburning, although granted, that applies to more than just capital punishment. For "you", read "any nation" - I'm not trying to get personal, and I know that Britain's just as guilty, particularly with recent attacks on immigrants and the rise of the pure, white right. I'm not "asserting" that nations can't criticise each other, I was just saying that America also carries out capital punishment, and however justified you may feel it is, most outsiders see death by electrocution as barbaric too. I'm not about to get into a huge debate comparing Saudi Arabia and Texas, because I think both, in this arena, could do with serious penal reform.

Any penalty that also has the purpose of durance, or any publicity of a crime and punishment would accomplish the same thing you describe... I don't like capital punishment either but certainly it isn't hard to see degrees of its use. Just use of it by one nation against criminals who commit serious crimes that kill another person doesn't put them on par with another nation that last I checked will put someone to death for blasphemy, prostitution, fornication, or witchcraft.
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#132 BiancaDK
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Also, people with severe expressive and impressive aphasia should die. They are hurting their relatives and friends by failing to function on a normal level, and it saves money going about it this way.

And necrophiles, they should die too. As a religious person, i find it grossly offensive that my temple can undergo such sacrilege without atleast capital punishment to ward potential wrong-doers off.

Actually come to think of it, anyone with any kind of paraphilia should just die. On the cross with ´em.

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#133 majwill24
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I know it seems extreme for westerners, but its hard to feel sorry for someone like that.

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I think its only extreme to a few "human rights" zealots. When people are asked what kind of punishment should be given to a sick and brutal child killer ,that is 100% positively guilty, responses are quite lethal from my experiences. Even in cases some suggest jail time, the motivation is still quite sadistic because the idea is that the rapist will suffer longer in confinement and at the hands of fellow inmates

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#134 II_Seraphim_II
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I do not disprove. -eddy-
Sorry to be pedantic, but it's "disapprove". :P *instantly feels smarter after stroking my ego*
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#135 majwill24
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Also, people with severe expressive and impressive aphasia should die. They are hurting their relatives and friends by failing to function on a normal level, and it saves money going about it this way.

And necrophiles, they should die too. As a religious person, i find it grossly offensive that my temple can undergo such sacrilege without atleast capital punishment to ward potential wrong-doers off.

Actually come to think of it, anyone with any kind of paraphilia should just die. On the cross with ´em.

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I can understand where you are coming from, especially with more and more liberals promoting forced sterilizations, rationing resources away/limiting from the undesirables and death of criminals. All to help in reducing the carbon footprint of society.

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#136 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="-eddy-"]I do not disprove. II_Seraphim_II
Sorry to be pedantic, but it's "disapprove". :P *instantly feels smarter after stroking my ego*

Sorry but that was pathetic. :P *instantly destroys any feeling of smartness*
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#137 jpph
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how stupid and barbaric. as someone said, the guy is probably mentall sick, but even if he isnt, its downright wrong to do what they did, not matter what the person did. a lot of people cant seem to see that theyre are being like criminals themselves in doing this?

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#138 majwill24
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how stupid and barbaric. as someone said, the guy is probably mentall sick, but even if he isnt, its downright wrong to do what they did, not matter what the person did. a lot of people cant seem to see that theyre are being like criminals themselves in doing this?

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according to who? your God?

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#139 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"] How is it "witchburning"? While I don't agree with the death penalty even a cursory knowledge of the practice provides you with the reasons for doing it. If you agree or not is a different matter. What I don't get is your assertion that the individual people of nation A can not take issue with another nation B's actions if for some reason you decide that nation A didn't do something you like... under that premise nobody has a right to say anything about anything...

You create a scapegoat of a certain person or group of people, you project all of your negativity onto those people, then you hunt them down and destroy them. It makes you feel better about yourself for being unlike them and purges your collective conscience - that's why I call it witchburning, although granted, that applies to more than just capital punishment. For "you", read "any nation" - I'm not trying to get personal, and I know that Britain's just as guilty, particularly with recent attacks on immigrants and the rise of the pure, white right. I'm not "asserting" that nations can't criticise each other, I was just saying that America also carries out capital punishment, and however justified you may feel it is, most outsiders see death by electrocution as barbaric too. I'm not about to get into a huge debate comparing Saudi Arabia and Texas, because I think both, in this arena, could do with serious penal reform.

Any penalty that also has the purpose of durance, or any publicity of a crime and punishment would accomplish the same thing you describe... I don't like capital punishment either but certainly it isn't hard to see degrees of its use. Just use of it by one nation against criminals who commit serious crimes that kill another person doesn't put them on par with another nation that last I checked will put someone to death for blasphemy, prostitution, fornication, or witchcraft.

You're probably absolutely right, even though I have no idea what durance means. Don't take my rant as an attack on distinctly American values; I think every country is guilty of raising its own self esteem by lowering the image of others. Comparing annual averages of state killings doesn't go any way at all to solving the real problem, which is one I think we agree on, and I've got no interest in defending the downsides of the justice systems in either Saudi Arabia or America. That doesn't mean that I don't think that comparisons can't be drawn, of course.
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#140 IndigoSunrise
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Wowthats disgusting.I know that the knee jerk reaction to all pedophiles is "kill em all" but this just isn't right. Saudi Arabia sounds like Texas but with less executions.

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#141 sikanderahmed
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well hes getting served for sure hehe but really they should behead him and put bury him rather then displaying his body to public

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#142 duxup
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] You create a scapegoat of a certain person or group of people, you project all of your negativity onto those people, then you hunt them down and destroy them. It makes you feel better about yourself for being unlike them and purges your collective conscience - that's why I call it witchburning, although granted, that applies to more than just capital punishment. For "you", read "any nation" - I'm not trying to get personal, and I know that Britain's just as guilty, particularly with recent attacks on immigrants and the rise of the pure, white right. I'm not "asserting" that nations can't criticise each other, I was just saying that America also carries out capital punishment, and however justified you may feel it is, most outsiders see death by electrocution as barbaric too. I'm not about to get into a huge debate comparing Saudi Arabia and Texas, because I think both, in this arena, could do with serious penal reform.

Any penalty that also has the purpose of durance, or any publicity of a crime and punishment would accomplish the same thing you describe... I don't like capital punishment either but certainly it isn't hard to see degrees of its use. Just use of it by one nation against criminals who commit serious crimes that kill another person doesn't put them on par with another nation that last I checked will put someone to death for blasphemy, prostitution, fornication, or witchcraft.

You're probably absolutely right, even though I have no idea what durance means. Don't take my rant as an attack on distinctly American values; I think every country is guilty of raising its own self esteem by lowering the image of others. Comparing annual averages of state killings doesn't go any way at all to solving the real problem, which is one I think we agree on, and I've got no interest in defending the downsides of the justice systems in either Saudi Arabia or America. That doesn't mean that I don't think that comparisons can't be drawn, of course.

I meant deterrence, my spell check hates me. :o
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#143 Lief_Ericson
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Thats pretty awesome and fitting for what he did

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#144 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="duxup"] Any penalty that also has the purpose of durance, or any publicity of a crime and punishment would accomplish the same thing you describe... I don't like capital punishment either but certainly it isn't hard to see degrees of its use. Just use of it by one nation against criminals who commit serious crimes that kill another person doesn't put them on par with another nation that last I checked will put someone to death for blasphemy, prostitution, fornication, or witchcraft.

You're probably absolutely right, even though I have no idea what durance means. Don't take my rant as an attack on distinctly American values; I think every country is guilty of raising its own self esteem by lowering the image of others. Comparing annual averages of state killings doesn't go any way at all to solving the real problem, which is one I think we agree on, and I've got no interest in defending the downsides of the justice systems in either Saudi Arabia or America. That doesn't mean that I don't think that comparisons can't be drawn, of course.

I meant deterrence, my spell check hates me. :o

lol, either way, I've learnt something new :P
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#145 ghoklebutter
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Shari'a Law is supposed to cleanse the society through using punishments as a warning. This, however, is a gross corruption of the Law. In true Shari'a Law you don't behead gays and definitely don't punish rape victims. Sadly, most Muslim countries are corrupt.

Anyway, although I think this punishment is ridiculous, I don't sympathize with paedophiles.

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#146 KcurtorMas
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I agree with this. Some people in here assume a little too much, based on the lack of information in the article provided.

Maybe theman confessed to it after beingconfronted by the police, you dont know. It also doesnt go into any detail about the actual investigation, so maybe they found evidence to link the man to the other crimes.

In the end, this guy had a choice. That three year old boy did not, and dying of thirst in the desertafter being raped would seem to beMUCH worse a death than a quick beheading by some proffesional swordsman.

You wasted life, why would you waste death?

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I find that person's behavior disgusting, and the Saudi state's reaction to be at least as disgusting.
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#148 majwill24
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I agree with this. Some people in here assume a little too much, based on the lack of information in the article provided.

Maybe theman confessed to it after beingconfronted by the police, you dont know. It also doesnt go into any detail about the actual investigation, so maybe they found evidence to link the man to the other crimes.

In the end, this guy had a choice. That three year old boy did not, and dying of thirst in the desertafter being raped would seem to beMUCH worse a death than a quick beheading by some proffesional swordsman.

You wasted life, why would you waste death?

KcurtorMas

People who defended the case got sucked in by the "human rights" extremists. They always turn death penalty into about either a fairness of the trial, insanity or moral equivalence issue. The truth is, even if the technology existed to absolutely guarantee the guilt of criminals, death penalty opponents would still oppose it.

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#149 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="KcurtorMas"]

I agree with this. Some people in here assume a little too much, based on the lack of information in the article provided.

Maybe theman confessed to it after beingconfronted by the police, you dont know. It also doesnt go into any detail about the actual investigation, so maybe they found evidence to link the man to the other crimes.

In the end, this guy had a choice. That three year old boy did not, and dying of thirst in the desertafter being raped would seem to beMUCH worse a death than a quick beheading by some proffesional swordsman.

You wasted life, why would you waste death?

majwill24

People who defended the case got sucked in by the "human rights" extremists. They always turn death penalty into about either a fairness of the trial, insanity or moral equivalence issue. The truth is, even if the technology existed to absolutely guarantee the guilt of criminals, death penalty opponents would still oppose it.

I would, though I was indifferent when I was younger. Over time, I have come to believe quite strongly that the state should not be in the business of killing its own citizens.
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#150 MetalGear_Ninty
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I have no sympathy for the rapist. He deserves it.