Paedophile to be beheaded and crucified

I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is.John_A_Zoidberg

[QUOTE="John_A_Zoidberg"]I'm surprised how many people agree with this, given how cruel and unnecessary it is.garaa2007

He's not barbaric, it's part of human natureCookigaki

given how cruel and unnecessary it is??? the guy raped kids and left one to die in the desert , i say the beheading part should send the message , but the crucifixion part is unnecessary . and no he doesn't deserve jail time , he deserves a painful and slow death , just imagine you're the father of one of these kids i bet you'd agree 100%.garaa2007

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]given how cruel and unnecessary it is??? the guy raped kids and left one to die in the desert , i say the beheading part should send the message , but the crucifixion part is unnecessary . and no he doesn't deserve jail time , he deserves a painful and slow death , just imagine you're the father of one of these kids i bet you'd agree 100%.Engrish_Major

Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Crucifixion and beheading are completely unnecessary, I just don't see the point of it...

The man was clearly mentally ill, as it was understandably out of his control. He needed psychiatric help. Not pointless slaughter.

LostProphetFLCL

There are PLENTY of people who are way beyond help though, and this is a good example of one of them.

When it comes to people who are raping, murdering, and then laughing about it, they are not just mentally ill but full-blown psychotic to a frightening level.

His attitude suggests him having anti-social personality disorder and personality disorders are known to be incredibly hard if not impossible to treat as it is a flaw in their PERSONALITY, not some simple chemical imbalance or something of that nature. People with personality disorders are known to be almost impossible to convince they have a problem because they see nothing wrong with the way they are.

I believe very much in helping the mentally ill and have made a point to talk to people about their issues, but in cases like this there is no hope. You can lock them up in a mental institute for the rest of their lives they still will not get any better.

It is extremely dangerous keeping such a person alive as theres a good chance that he would repeat his actions if given an oppurtunity. Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

Had they just wanted that, they would just give him some substance and kill him painlessly without any kind of audience.

The precise method they chose shows how death penalty (blatantly in this case) is intended for revenge and for the public to feel that justice has been served. Where justice = revenge.

In other words to please an angered crowd.

There are a number of problems with this form of punishment.. first the group mentality.. when it comes to such emotional crimes people want to see somebody pay.. so even if it's the wrong person they'll go at lengths to convince themselves and others that so and so is guilty and must be punished.

Another problem is that it's arbitrary.. one guy may be cruixified.. and killed.. and one guy just may be killed for doing the exact same thing. That's a huge problem in a legal system because it's inconsistant.

And finaly the ultimate problem is.. this form of punishment doesn't stop people from commiting crimes to begin with.. so the reason for doing it isn't to maintain law and order.

Wait...why do I see people in this thread, who I have also seen speak out against the death penalty in America, saying that it is somehow acceptable now because he raped children? Not just death either, but beheading and crucifixion. Jesus christ, people (no pun intended). Are we, as a civilized society, actually going sit back and say this is unobjectionable? Especially in a relatively developed Middle Eastern country, Saudia Arabia, that has more than enough resources to lock these people up for life and try to help them understand why what they did was wrong. This is barbaric, primitive...completely inhumane.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]given how cruel and unnecessary it is??? the guy raped kids and left one to die in the desert , i say the beheading part should send the message , but the crucifixion part is unnecessary . and no he doesn't deserve jail time , he deserves a painful and slow death , just imagine you're the father of one of these kids i bet you'd agree 100%.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Crucifixion and beheading are completely unnecessary, I just don't see the point of it...

The man was clearly mentally ill, as it was understandably out of his control. He needed psychiatric help. Not pointless slaughter.

LostProphetFLCL

There are PLENTY of people who are way beyond help though, and this is a good example of one of them.

When it comes to people who are raping, murdering, and then laughing about it, they are not just mentally ill but full-blown psychotic to a frightening level.

His attitude suggests him having anti-social personality disorder and personality disorders are known to be incredibly hard if not impossible to treat as it is a flaw in their PERSONALITY, not some simple chemical imbalance or something of that nature. People with personality disorders are known to be almost impossible to convince they have a problem because they see nothing wrong with the way they are.

I believe very much in helping the mentally ill and have made a point to talk to people about their issues, but in cases like this there is no hope. You can lock them up in a mental institute for the rest of their lives they still will not get any better.

It is extremely dangerous keeping such a person alive as theres a good chance that he would repeat his actions if given an oppurtunity. Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

I am not questioning the gravity of his actions nor that he shouldn't receive severe punishment, which he should, but, tell me, what would his conviction solve ? Personal revenge ? This isn't justification for death penalty.

yes it does send a message , those out there with sick mentality might think twice before acting and think that they might actually get caught , but of course there are those who are stupid enough to do it , I'm pretty sure that beheading in cases like this is enough . but what do you think is a good punishment ?garaa2007

[QUOTE="_Ben99_"][QUOTE="D_Battery"] I concur. It seems even Western sensibility gets thrown out the window when it comes to this sort of thing, which is sad.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]yes it does send a message , those out there with sick mentality might think twice before acting and think that they might actually get caught , but of course there are those who are stupid enough to do it , I'm pretty sure that beheading in cases like this is enough . but what do you think is a good punishment ?Engrish_Major

what would you suggest as a reaction then?_Ben99_

Good riddance. I don't care for all the discussion of whether or not it "sends a message". I'm glad they're getting rid of him, one less worthless human on the planet.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]Send a message to who? Other people who are capable of raping and killing childern? So, obviously, the other 200-or-so beheadings in Saudi Arabia this yeardidn't dissuade this guy.Maybe if they'd just beheaded one more, then he wouldn't have done it?

Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="garaa2007"]yes it does send a message , those out there with sick mentality might think twice before acting and think that they might actually get caught , but of course there are those who are stupid enough to do it , I'm pretty sure that beheading in cases like this is enough . but what do you think is a good punishment ?Engrish_Major

One barbaric act for another...

joesh89

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

xaos

Here in the states you don't need prison escapes.

Our stupid system can release people with life sentences after a few years because of random BS. I give you the case of Kenneth Mcduff.

First he was to be executed under the death penalty. But while awaiting execution the Supreme Court abolished the death penalty so his sentence got turned into life.

Texas prisons start getting crowded so they figure "Oh he only killed 3 people I gues 23 years is enough" and release him (why in God's name they would be releasing a freaking serial killer is beyond me. No such person should ever experience a hint of freedom after conviction unless found innocent) in 1989.

He ends up serving a bunch of small stays for random crap. However in 1993 hes back in court and this time is convicted of one murder along with being implicated in 3 other murders.

Granted I doubt the Saudi's would have this issue with their system, but here in the States we don't have enough protection to prevent these criminals from getting out for random crap reason even on a life sentence.

That guy is scum, but I don't agree with him being beheaded and crucified. That seems a bit sadistic.

i support the death penalty for those who really deserve it , and i do believe it helps lower crime rates down . however when you have a country like Saudi Arabia with its extreme religious laws and views implemented on society you're going to have high crime rates even if they they have a death penalty or not .garaa2007

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

Crucifixion and beheading are completely unnecessary, I just don't see the point of it...

The man was clearly mentally ill, as it was understandably out of his control. He needed psychiatric help. Not pointless slaughter.

flordeceres

There are PLENTY of people who are way beyond help though, and this is a good example of one of them.

When it comes to people who are raping, murdering, and then laughing about it, they are not just mentally ill but full-blown psychotic to a frightening level.

His attitude suggests him having anti-social personality disorder and personality disorders are known to be incredibly hard if not impossible to treat as it is a flaw in their PERSONALITY, not some simple chemical imbalance or something of that nature. People with personality disorders are known to be almost impossible to convince they have a problem because they see nothing wrong with the way they are.

I believe very much in helping the mentally ill and have made a point to talk to people about their issues, but in cases like this there is no hope. You can lock them up in a mental institute for the rest of their lives they still will not get any better.

It is extremely dangerous keeping such a person alive as theres a good chance that he would repeat his actions if given an oppurtunity. Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

I am not questioning the gravity of his actions nor that he shouldn't receive severe punishment, which he should, but, tell me, what would his conviction solve ? Personal revenge ? This isn't justification for death penalty.

You take him out of existence so he has 0% chance to ever repeat his actions, simple as that.

Even in prison people still commit murder on a regular basis. While I am not a fan of prisoners in any right, they shouldn't neccessarily be getting murdered by other inmates for BS gang crap.

Also, when it comes to capturing and holding leaders of violent groups, if you don't kill them they usually find a way to keep in touch with their followers and give orders while in prison, at least here in the US.

I actually saw an interesting program a little while back on prisons and how gangs operate in the prisons. They come up with so many interesting ways of coding messages and such in their letters it is ridiculous.

I rather you say "murder/rapist" then pedophile.

[QUOTE="garaa2007"] i support the death penalty for those who really deserve it , and i do believe it helps lower crime rates down . however when you have a country like Saudi Arabia with its extreme religious laws and views implemented on society you're going to have high crime rates even if they they have a death penalty or not .Engrish_Major

This man deserves it . Put yourself in one of these parents places, im sure you would want to see this savage person killed and hunged. It isnt barbaric at all, its more civilised than hanging a man .7addadster

Ideally at least...

[QUOTE="garaa2007"] i support the death penalty for those who really deserve it , and i do believe it helps lower crime rates down . however when you have a country like Saudi Arabia with its extreme religious laws and views implemented on society you're going to have high crime rates even if they they have a death penalty or not .Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="garaa2007"] i support the death penalty for those who really deserve it , and i do believe it helps lower crime rates down . however when you have a country like Saudi Arabia with its extreme religious laws and views implemented on society you're going to have high crime rates even if they they have a death penalty or not .7addadster

His point was that the death penalty does not affect crime rates positively. In fact it seems it affects them negatively (in other words: it increases them).

[QUOTE="7addadster"]This man deserves it . Put yourself in one of these parents places, im sure you would want to see this savage person killed and hunged. It isnt barbaric at all, its more civilised than hanging a man .Teenaged

Ideally at least...

[QUOTE="7addadster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Like I said before, there is no data to show that the death penalty reduces violent crime. In fact, in the United States, states that implement the death penalty have a higher average rate of crime than those that don't.Teenaged

His point was that the death penalty does not affect crime rates positively. In fact it seems it affects them negatively (in other words: it increases them).

[QUOTE="7addadster"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Like I said before, there is no data to show that the death penalty reduces violent crime. In fact, in the United States, states that implement the death penalty have a higher average rate of crime than those that don't.Teenaged

His point was that the death penalty does not affect crime rates positively. In fact it seems it affects them negatively (in other words: it increases them).

he's past the point of being a "pedophile." He's a murderer.

There are pedophiles who just want sex.

There are others who want to physically harm the child as well.

But there's a distinction between the two.

then again, in your opinion what is a good punishment for cases like this one , other than death ? will a life sentence prevent others from doing what he did ? and if so do you think a life sentence is good enough for a guy who raped kids and practically killed one , does this guy deserve to live ?garaa2007

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="7addadster"]This man deserves it . Put yourself in one of these parents places, im sure you would want to see this savage person killed and hunged. It isnt barbaric at all, its more civilised than hanging a man .7addadster

Ideally at least...

If a guy killed my mother yes I may have the desire to lynch him or beat him with my own hands, but am I supposed to decide for that man's fate while I am hot-tempered and personally invlolved in the issue? Where has impartiality gone? Isnt that why the attribution of justice is handed over to people with no personal interference in the issue, who can think more clearly than I can if what you described happened to me?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="7addadster"]This man deserves it . Put yourself in one of these parents places, im sure you would want to see this savage person killed and hunged. It isnt barbaric at all, its more civilised than hanging a man .7addadster

Ideally at least...

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

There are PLENTY of people who are way beyond help though, and this is a good example of one of them.

When it comes to people who are raping, murdering, and then laughing about it, they are not just mentally ill but full-blown psychotic to a frightening level.

His attitude suggests him having anti-social personality disorder and personality disorders are known to be incredibly hard if not impossible to treat as it is a flaw in their PERSONALITY, not some simple chemical imbalance or something of that nature. People with personality disorders are known to be almost impossible to convince they have a problem because they see nothing wrong with the way they are.

I believe very much in helping the mentally ill and have made a point to talk to people about their issues, but in cases like this there is no hope. You can lock them up in a mental institute for the rest of their lives they still will not get any better.

It is extremely dangerous keeping such a person alive as theres a good chance that he would repeat his actions if given an oppurtunity. Keeping convicted murders has proven to be disastrous before here in the states, and I seriously doubt their prisons are any more secure there.

LostProphetFLCL

I am not questioning the gravity of his actions nor that he shouldn't receive severe punishment, which he should, but, tell me, what would his conviction solve ? Personal revenge ? This isn't justification for death penalty.

You take him out of existence so he has 0% chance to ever repeat his actions, simple as that.

Even in prison people still commit murder on a regular basis. While I am not a fan of prisoners in any right, they shouldn't neccessarily be getting murdered by other inmates for BS gang crap.

Also, when it comes to capturing and holding leaders of violent groups, if you don't kill them they usually find a way to keep in touch with their followers and give orders while in prison, at least here in the US.

I actually saw an interesting program a little while back on prisons and how gangs operate in the prisons. They come up with so many interesting ways of coding messages and such in their letters it is ridiculous.

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

I have reliable statistics proving that statistics mentioned without providing the source are completely useless and often made up on the spot. Even if they were reliable, you can't prove anything with it. Maybe they still have the death penalty because there's more crime in their area than in others? (inb4 smartass saying "butbut that's because of the death penalty")Vfanek

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="7addadster"] Not every culture thinks the same way like yours does, what you think is barbaric, to other cultures seem civilized and vice versa. Vfanek

His point was that the death penalty does not affect crime rates positively. In fact it seems it affects them negatively (in other words: it increases them).

Also although we can dispute that the death penalty creates higher crime rates, it still appears though that it doesnt reduce them.

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

flordeceres

i have no problem with that

thats just horrible what ppl would do theses days.

it reminds me of the movie changelings and also a true story.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="7addadster"] Not every culture thinks the same way like yours does, what you think is barbaric, to other cultures seem civilized and vice versa. Vfanek

His point was that the death penalty does not affect crime rates positively. In fact it seems it affects them negatively (in other words: it increases them).

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[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

LJS9502_basic

Psychological studies can be wrong and have been proved wrong.

And that point doesn't change the fact that he's a human being. We are civilized enough to find a solution for this problem without resorting to slaughter... I stand by psychiatric aid and life prison.

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

LJS9502_basic

Pedophilia is just finding prepubescent children sexually attractive, of course it can't be "reformed", that's the same for any fetish.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

flordeceres

Psychological studies can be wrong and have been proved wrong.

And that point doesn't change the fact that he's a human being. We are civilized enough to find a solution for this problem without resorting to slaughter... I stand by psychological aid and life prison.

Pedophilia is just finding prepubescent children sexually attractive, of course it can't be "reformed", that's the same for any fetish.

Yandere

[QUOTE="flordeceres"]

You justify their reasoning by claiming that if he died it wouldn't ever happen ? Rather narrow-minded. Every human being deserves a chance to get better, as does this man. He can't tell right from wrong, black from white. He has a severe mental illness and deserves the chance to be set straight.

Life in the solitary and psychiatric help would be a better fit...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="7addadster"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Penalty systems are not supposed to appeal to people's impulsive feelings to crimes.

Ideally at least...

Teenaged

If a guy killed my mother yes I may have the desire to lynch him or beat him with my own hands, but am I supposed to decide for that man's fate while I am hot-tempered and personally invlolved in the issue? Where has impartiality gone? Isnt that why the attribution of justice is handed over to people with no personal interference in the issue, who can think more clearly than I can if what you described happened to me?