People boycotting Thor becaus of black actor, portraying Heimdell

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#201 -Big_Red-
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]@t3hwarr1or No, just no.th3warr1or
And yet you have provided no evidence to back this up. I can tell you with absolute certainty that Arabs are Caucasian too. Saying no doesn't make it otherwise.

C'mon man.Arabs.

I can see hw someone with an untrained eye coud mistak these people as caucasian. But they're not. Just look at them.

And Jesus has been portrayed as a caucasian man with blonde hair, and blue eyes. European. This is incorrect. And his skin couldn't of been caucasian either as it is often portrayed as. It had to of been similar to theese people skin. Look at their arms. A very light brownish color.

Yeah.This man looks to be ofEuropean decent. Which would be impossible for Jesus to be.

I'm right you're wrong.

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#202 -Big_Red-
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I am more pissed at Green Lantern. In the Justice League, he is black. Why in the world the movie is a while dude???? Arrrrrggggg.magicalclick
There is more than one Green Lantern. Someof themwere white. Actually I think there was only one black one.
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#203 andalore
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That's Stupid, It'd be like Boycotting Stargate SG-1 because it turned Norse gods into Tiny Grey Aliens.

Or Boycotting the Star Wars special Editions because they Turned Boba Fett into someone from New Zealand, instead of all the other changes that Lucas made.

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#204 th3warr1or
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I'm right you're wrong.

-Big_Red-

The ignorance in that post is astounding. First off, I never said Jesus was of EUROPEAN descent.

And Arabs are Caucasian. You think all Caucasians are European?

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#205 ssj4_2004
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Is heimdell going to be a main character in the film?
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

So I have a racist attitude? Really :lol: It's amazing how easy it is for some people to toss that word around.

The Last Airbender did draw heat for casting white actors as did Prince of Persia. So no, it's not a good point.

I was simply pointing out a common logical fallacy that was being used. It doesn't matter if nobody had a problem with Jesus being white. That's besides the point and irrelevant. But I guess that makes me a racist.

You need to re-read my post:

Now if you take what you said into consideration, that as far as race is concerned the casting does not matter to depict the character (to which I agree), well then that's completely different.

Guess you overlooked that.xaos posted a legitimate argument for why these boycotts are silly; the other posts did not. The movie is based on the comic books anyway, not actual Norse Mythology.

th3warr1or

Well I didn't read that part of your post. However. Im not callingyou a racist, I just meant that you had a slightly racist attitude. People haven't stopped portraying Jesus as white, therefore this actor should be well withing his rights to portray this white character.


Jesus is White. Seriously, JEWS ARE WHITE. :|

These, are Jewish people from Israel.

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/girls-from-israel-09.jpg

They're White.

:|... There are darker skinned Jews, andlighter sinned Jews like those girls. Same with pretty much any other nationality. I know that weakens my arguement. But whatever.

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#207 th3warr1or
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Is heimdell going to be a main character in the film? ssj4_2004
Supporting.
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#208 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] Well I didn't read that part of your post. However. Im not callingyou a racist, I just meant that you had a slightly racist attitude. People haven't stopped portraying Jesus as white, therefore this actor should be well withing his rights to portray this white character.-Big_Red-


Jesus is White. Seriously, JEWS ARE WHITE. :|

These, are Jewish people from Israel.

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/girls-from-israel-09.jpg

They're White.

:|... There are darker skinned Jews, andlighter sinned Jews like those girls. Same with pretty much any other nationality. I know that weakens my arguement. But whatever.

I know, but the people to the Northern parts of China have Sharp noses, and fair skin but they're as much Asian/Chinese as the people from the south with your typical asian features.

Same thing. Jesus sure wasn't blond with blue eyes, so yes that's a wrong interpretation, but Jewish/Arab people are considered Caucasian.

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

I'm right you're wrong.

The ignorance in that post is astounding. First off, I never said Jesus was of EUROPEAN descent.

And Arabs are Caucasian. You think all Caucasians are European?

And never said that you did. I just pointed out hw you were wrong in claimin that Arabs were caucasians. Arabs/Jews are not caucasian. And no, not all caucasians are European, EG:Russians are from asia.
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#210 th3warr1or
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

I'm right you're wrong.

-Big_Red-

The ignorance in that post is astounding. First off, I never said Jesus was of EUROPEAN descent.

And Arabs are Caucasian. You think all Caucasians are European?

And never said that you did. I just pointed out hw you were wrong in claimin that Arabs were caucasians. Arabs/Jews are not caucasian. And no, not all caucasians are European, EG:Russians are from asia.

Dude, if Arabs and Jews aren't Caucasians then what are they? Adam Sandler is Jewish btw, he's considered White/Caucasian.

Eastern Europeans also resemble Arabs, and Eastern Europeans are CAUCASIAN.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1155/bel20070331ui1.jpg

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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]


Jesus is White. Seriously, JEWS ARE WHITE. :|

These, are Jewish people from Israel.

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/girls-from-israel-09.jpg

They're White.

th3warr1or

:|... There are darker skinned Jews, andlighter sinned Jews like those girls. Same with pretty much any other nationality. I know that weakens my arguement. But whatever.

I know, but the people to the Northern parts of China have Sharp noses, and fair skin but they're as much Asian/Chinese as the people from the south with your typical asian features.

Same thing. Jesus sure wasn't blond with blue eyes, so yes that's a wrong interpretation, but Jewish/Arab people are considered Caucasian.

I don't think most people considers them to be caucasian. Like when someone is filling out their application for a job, you see different options for nationalities. They almost always have options for Jews, Arabs.

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#212 th3warr1or
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That's Nationality, NOT ethnicity.
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

The ignorance in that post is astounding. First off, I never said Jesus was of EUROPEAN descent.

And Arabs are Caucasian. You think all Caucasians are European?

And never said that you did. I just pointed out hw you were wrong in claimin that Arabs were caucasians. Arabs/Jews are not caucasian. And no, not all caucasians are European, EG:Russians are from asia.

Dude, if Arabs and Jews aren't Caucasians then what are they? Adam Sandler is Jewish btw, he's considered White/Caucasian.

I don't really consider that to be a plausable arguement. He's very Americanzed. Throw another one at me.
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That's Nationality, NOT ethnicity. th3warr1or
:|...True.
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#215 th3warr1or
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Just because you don't consider it plausible doesn't make it so. ;) Anyway, in many European countries and such, Jews are considered White.

I have to go for dinner now, so I'll be back to continue this later.

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Just because you don't consider it plausible doesn't make it so. ;) Anyway, in many European countries and such, Jews are considered White. th3warr1or
Ehhh, whatever screw this arguement.
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#217 breakinglaws
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[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

I don't mean this to be racist, but why is a black actor playing a Norse God? That's not racist to question the decision as it doesn't make sense and seems to just be a move to be inclusive just for inclusive sake.

Pirate700

I guess because in the Marvel Universe they are not really Norse Gods, but being that inspired norse gods. But in the comics Heimdell is white.

I get that but PC or not the ancient Norse and their Gods epitomized Arianism. Having a black actor or asian, etc. just doesn't make sense. That would be like casting a white actor for a Mohamed Ali movie. I'm aware Marvel is starting to get hyper PC these days but some moves are just absurd and it's not racist to point that out. IGN vilified the very questioning of the role and I don't think that's right either.

Someone call Hollywood, Pirate700 is clearly going places.

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#218 RoOodriGowW
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Well norse people are just beyond white, I'm white , they're whiter , how could they make him black?I'm in no way a racist and I think being one demands having just a quarter of your brain , but that's just ridiculous.Green Lantern for example , I've seen him white and I've seen him black so it doesn't really matter for me , there'll be a movie too if I'm not mistaken and I'll not care about his color , but godamn heimdall, who's supposed to be a blue eyed blonde whiter than white like most scandinave people being black?That's BS.

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#219 SapSacPrime
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Why is a black dude playing the part anyway? that just doesn't make sense :? whatever though I doubt I will watch it. I felt the same way about Morgan Freeman in Robin Hood back in the 90's, how long would he have really lasted wondering around 12th century Britain? but when you point things like that out you are obviously a hate filled racist, the fact maybe you like consistency in your stories never enters antibody's minds (not that I support this group, I know nothing about them or their motives nor do I care).

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#220 musalala
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Kenneth Branagh cast Denzel Washington to play Don Pedro in Much Ado About Nothing in 1993. How DARE he betray Shakespeare's timeless vision of an Englishman playing an Italian by casting a black American :x :x :xxaos

:lol:I know right Those godless hearthens, I mean really what kind two bit hack would do that?

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] :|... There are darker skinned Jews, andlighter sinned Jews like those girls. Same with pretty much any other nationality. I know that weakens my arguement. But whatever.

-Big_Red-

I know, but the people to the Northern parts of China have Sharp noses, and fair skin but they're as much Asian/Chinese as the people from the south with your typical asian features.

Same thing. Jesus sure wasn't blond with blue eyes, so yes that's a wrong interpretation, but Jewish/Arab people are considered Caucasian.

I don't think most people considers them to be caucasian. Like when someone is filling out their application for a job, you see different options for nationalities. They almost always have options for Jews, Arabs.

D***m those girls are hot!!!!!:o

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"] :|... There are darker skinned Jews, andlighter sinned Jews like those girls. Same with pretty much any other nationality. I know that weakens my arguement. But whatever.

-Big_Red-

I know, but the people to the Northern parts of China have Sharp noses, and fair skin but they're as much Asian/Chinese as the people from the south with your typical asian features.

Same thing. Jesus sure wasn't blond with blue eyes, so yes that's a wrong interpretation, but Jewish/Arab people are considered Caucasian.

I don't think most people considers them to be caucasian. Like when someone is filling out their application for a job, you see different options for nationalities. They almost always have options for Jews, Arabs.

I think I died a little on the inside. I've seen many stupid things on this website, but you're the king of it all.
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Why is a black dude playing the part anyway? that just doesn't make sense :? whatever though I doubt I will watch it. I felt the same way about Morgan Freeman in Robin Hood back in the 90's, how long would he have really lasted wondering around 12th century Britain? but when you point things like that out you are obviously a hate filled racist, the fact maybe you like consistency in your stories never enters antibody's minds (not that I support this group, I know nothing about them or their motives nor do I care).

SapSacPrime

well you may not be a hate filled racist but you know nothing about history and the moore's relationship with europe. but I assume when when you watch any film you see races first, people second. That is a commentary on your subconscious and everybody else's who goes to a movie or goes about thier daily lives and the first thing they notice is skin colour. Idris is an excellent actor, he's soo good he play a white god :D

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Okay....I'm not up on the Thor universe but considering it's Norse mythology then I can see the reason people would be upset. Fans tend to want accuracy in their entertainment. As for this thread...Jewish people are Caucasian. Flawed analogy. Carry on....
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

And yet you have provided no evidence to back this up. I can tell you with absolute certainty that Arabs are Caucasian too. Saying no doesn't make it otherwise. th3warr1or

C'mon man.Arabs.

I can see hw someone with an untrained eye coud mistak these people as caucasian. But they're not. Just look at them.

And Jesus has been portrayed as a caucasian man with blonde hair, and blue eyes. European. This is incorrect. And his skin couldn't of been caucasian either as it is often portrayed as. It had to of been similar to theese people skin. Look at their arms. A very light brownish color.

Yeah.This man looks to be ofEuropean decent. Which would be impossible for Jesus to be.

I'm right you're wrong.

God, you're dumb. There are only 3 main races of humans: caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. They're definitely not the last two. Caucasoids can be dark-skinned too.

But that means absolutely nothing.
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

I know, but the people to the Northern parts of China have Sharp noses, and fair skin but they're as much Asian/Chinese as the people from the south with your typical asian features.

Same thing. Jesus sure wasn't blond with blue eyes, so yes that's a wrong interpretation, but Jewish/Arab people are considered Caucasian.

I don't think most people considers them to be caucasian. Like when someone is filling out their application for a job, you see different options for nationalities. They almost always have options for Jews, Arabs.

I think I died a little on the inside. I've seen many stupid things on this website, but you're the king of it all.

You really like to blow thngs out of proportion don't you? I was only moderately incorrect by saying that.
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

And yet you have provided no evidence to back this up. I can tell you with absolute certainty that Arabs are Caucasian too. Saying no doesn't make it otherwise. th3warr1or

C'mon man.Arabs.

I can see hw someone with an untrained eye coud mistak these people as caucasian. But they're not. Just look at them.

And Jesus has been portrayed as a caucasian man with blonde hair, and blue eyes. European. This is incorrect. And his skin couldn't of been caucasian either as it is often portrayed as. It had to of been similar to theese people skin. Look at their arms. A very light brownish color.

Yeah.This man looks to be ofEuropean decent. Which would be impossible for Jesus to be.

I'm right you're wrong.

God, you're dumb. There are only 3 main races of humans: caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. They're definitely not the last two. Caucasoids can be dark-skinned too.

Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

C'mon man.Arabs.

I can see hw someone with an untrained eye coud mistak these people as caucasian. But they're not. Just look at them.

And Jesus has been portrayed as a caucasian man with blonde hair, and blue eyes. European. This is incorrect. And his skin couldn't of been caucasian either as it is often portrayed as. It had to of been similar to theese people skin. Look at their arms. A very light brownish color.

Yeah.This man looks to be ofEuropean decent. Which would be impossible for Jesus to be.

I'm right you're wrong.

-Big_Red-

God, you're dumb. There are only 3 main races of humans: caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. They're definitely not the last two. Caucasoids can be dark-skinned too.

Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?

Yes.

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Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?-Big_Red-
Yes.:|

While southern Italians tend to be "darker" than northern Italians....they are caucasian. And I'm not sure why you mentioned the French.

Skin tone varies within race. Not all caucasians are the same tone...nor would all black people be the same skin tone..etc.

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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] God, you're dumb. There are only 3 main races of humans: caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. They're definitely not the last two. Caucasoids can be dark-skinned too.

Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?

Yes.

I didn't want you to answer it, I want that SkyWard guy. ;)
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?LJS9502_basic

Yes.:|

While southern Italians tend to be "darker" than northern Italians....they are caucasian. And I'm not sure why you mentioned the French.

Skin tone varies within race. Not all caucasians are the same tone...nor would all black people be the same skin tone..etc.

I didn't want you to answer it.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Answer this. is an Italian/French person caucasian?-Big_Red-

Yes.:|

While southern Italians tend to be "darker" than northern Italians....they are caucasian. And I'm not sure why you mentioned the French.

Skin tone varies within race. Not all caucasians are the same tone...nor would all black people be the same skin tone..etc.

I didn't want you to answer it.

I wasn't aware I needed your permission...
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[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes.:|

While southern Italians tend to be "darker" than northern Italians....they are caucasian. And I'm not sure why you mentioned the French.

Skin tone varies within race. Not all caucasians are the same tone...nor would all black people be the same skin tone..etc.

LJS9502_basic

I didn't want you to answer it.

I wasn't aware I needed your permission...

Oh you don't which is why you answered it anyway;).

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Lol at the skin colour of jesus even causes an argument. religion ftw :P

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To all the people saying that a black actor shouldn't play this part because the character he is playing is white; I say nonsense. There is nothing about the character Heimdall vis-a-vis the comics that necessitates that he be played by a white actor. Idris Elba probably had the best audition for the role - why should he lose out to a less qualified actor because of his race? That in my mind would be a much greater injustice than a white comic book character being played by a black actor.
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To all the people saying that a black actor shouldn't play this part because the character he is playing is white; I say nonsense. There is nothing about the character Heimdall vis-a-vis the comics that necessitates that he be played by a white actor. Idris Elba probably had the best audition for the role - why should he lose out to a less qualified actor because of his race? That in my mind would be a much greater injustice than a white comic book character being played by a black actor. -Sun_Tzu-
Eh...the world is getting a bit too PC.
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I wouldn't want Frodo to be black either or Capcom getting crap for having a white man kill black zombies in Africa. What can one do? v.v

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I wouldn't want Frodo to be black either or Capcom getting crap for having a white man kill black zombies in Africa. What can one do? v.v

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I remember a black man called me a racist this one time when I refused to sell him a product that was already reserved.

So I punched him in the face with a baseball bat.

jk I was just very offended!!

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#240 super_mario_128
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This is ridiculous; you don't hear anybody getting up in arms about white actors playing non-white roles.
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#241 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]To all the people saying that a black actor shouldn't play this part because the character he is playing is white; I say nonsense. There is nothing about the character Heimdall vis-a-vis the comics that necessitates that he be played by a white actor. Idris Elba probably had the best audition for the role - why should he lose out to a less qualified actor because of his race? That in my mind would be a much greater injustice than a white comic book character being played by a black actor. LJS9502_basic
Eh...the world is getting a bit too PC.

In what respect?
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#242 LJS9502_basic  Online
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This is ridiculous; you don't hear anybody getting up in arms about white actors playing non-white roles.super_mario_128
I remember some controversy over Prince of Persia....
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#243 FragStains
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Idris Elba probably had the best audition for the role - why should he lose out to a less qualified actor because of his race? That in my mind would be a much greater injustice than a white comic book character being played by a black actor. -Sun_Tzu-
While not a perfect parallel, is this not an argument against affirmative action? Also, people are allowed to petition anything they want, no matter how stupid their stance may be.
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#244 Vesica_Prime
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[QUOTE="super_mario_128"]This is ridiculous; you don't hear anybody getting up in arms about white actors playing non-white roles.LJS9502_basic
I remember some controversy over Prince of Persia....

And the Last Air Bender I think.

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#245 Tangmashi
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There should be a black Superman, anyone who disagrees is racist.

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#246 FragStains
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There should be a black Superman, anyone who disagrees is racist.

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#247 X360PS3AMD05
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Doesn't make any sense, so they do have a point.
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#248 Mercenary848
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Doesn't make any sense, so they do have a point.X360PS3AMD05

Meh charachter details get switched around all the time in movies. And these charachters(asgardians) are not norse gods outside of name anyway.

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#249 Enid_Green
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Well it says right there in the article they aren't gods but aliens. Sure sounds like they care about staying true to the original mythology.
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#250 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Well it says right there in the article they aren't gods but aliens. Sure sounds like they care about staying true to the original mythology.Enid_Green
What do you think the original mythology entailed?