People of OT turn your TV sets to CNN (Palin speaks in less than 10 minutes)

[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

The_Mac_Daddy

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

My God.. I don't even know where to begin. We can argue certian points there till the cows come home and I can completely just prove you wrong on most things you typed there.. but you are so blindly against Palin that you are not even worth my time. You are basically just being moronic. I have a feeling you are about 14, possibly 15 years old.

I'll consider your points if you find a legitimate error in my points. and yes her daughter is pregnant.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html

[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

battlefront23

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

I can't believe you just brought that myth up. Honestly, liberal conspiracists, stop with that! You can only hold lies for so long... then it gets annoying.

Why didn't she tell people earlier then huh? oh and btw is that the only response u can come up with after my paragraph. So you agree with all the sentences except that one?

The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time.

Nice excuse. I see you take after McCain.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

I can't believe you just brought that myth up. Honestly, liberal conspiracists, stop with that! You can only hold lies for so long... then it gets annoying.

Why didn't she tell people earlier then huh? oh and btw is that the only response u can come up with after my paragraph. So you agree with all the sentences except that one?

The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time.

Nice excuse. I see you take after McCain.

Reply... to me. I'm sick of these type of posts. Give me something respond worthy...

[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

battlefront23

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

I can't believe you just brought that myth up. Honestly, liberal conspiracists, stop with that! You can only hold lies for so long... then it gets annoying.

Why didn't she tell people earlier then huh? oh and btw is that the only response u can come up with after my paragraph. So you agree with all the sentences except that one?

The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time.

Nice excuse. I see you take after McCain.

Reply... to me. I'm sick of these type of posts. Give me something respond worthy...

How am i supposed to respond to this

"The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time."

You have still not talked about her foreign experience, and the attacks on a a cancer survivor. and don't tell me they were fabricated because their are audio tapes with her laughing at a cancer survivor.anyway i'm done, if you want 4 more years go right ahead.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

I can't believe you just brought that myth up. Honestly, liberal conspiracists, stop with that! You can only hold lies for so long... then it gets annoying.

Why didn't she tell people earlier then huh? oh and btw is that the only response u can come up with after my paragraph. So you agree with all the sentences except that one?

The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time.

Nice excuse. I see you take after McCain.

Reply... to me. I'm sick of these type of posts. Give me something respond worthy...

How am i supposed to respond to this

"The other sentences are usual liberal responses which I get bored of responding to.

But I noticed you blatantly lied. So I called you for it. BTW Bring a reliable source next time."

You have still not talked about her foreign experience, and the attacks on a a cancer survivor. and don't tell me they were fabricated because their are audio tapes with her laughing at a cancer survivor.anyway i'm done, if you want 4 more years go right ahead.

Where's Obama's foreign policy experience? I find it funny that you are mocking her for not having any experience when the candidate you are voting for has done nothing.

Let me guess, his policies contain the word "CHANGE" a couple times.

I've followed politics fairly closely for about five years now, read up on all the scandals, believed the hype from both sides at one point or another, all that, and seriously, nothing has disturbed me more than what has happened in the past week. Think about it, John McCain, knowing that Palin has a pregnant daughter, asked her to be his vice president. He put her in the position of having to choose between being able to serve her country as vice president or protecting her daughter from being dragged through the mud on the largest stage on the planet. Putting her in that position, especially when he had several other highly qualified people available, was not a moral thing to do. What is even worse, however, is that Palin made the choice to allow this, to allow her 17 year old daughter's unplanned pregnancy to become the topic of news reports across the world, conversations across the country, jokes on the internet, tabloids, everything. What kind of person would do that to anyone? What kind of person would do that to their own daughter? This has nothing to do with experience, political viewpoints, or the media. This is about character.

Tonight, I saw Sara Palin give a speech that even Karl Rove, who orchestrated both of George W. Bush's campaigns, would have been sickened by. The speech advocated how much she valued her family, even though she handed her daughter over to mass media wolves. It belittled Barack Obama's effort to help the poor early in his career, but the speech was still intended to appeal to an audience that held traditional Christian values. Near the end of the speech, Sara Palin implied that John McCain was a better American than Barack Obama because Obama made the choice not serve in the armed forces, regardless of the fact that she had not served in the armed forces either. Like any well-planned political speech, such as the one recently given at the DNC by Barack Obama, there were issue related omissions, which were highlighted when she tried to sell this ticket to women, using anecdotes about being a "hockey mom," even though some of the same women the speech was meant to attract might like to know that McCain voted against an equal pay for equal work bill because, he said, "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system." These women should also note that while a "private enterprise system" should be free from government regulations, their bodies are a different story, as Palin is strongly agaisnt abortion, which the speech did not mention at all.

I've never been a big fan of Barack Obama, I think he's copped out and changed possitions on a ton of important issues. I don't think his economic plans stand a great chance of working. I don't think that the democrats did anything worthwhile during their recent control of congress, and I don't think George W. Bush is the worst president we've ever had, but the direction that the republican party is trying to take this election is very disturbing. I understand how political attack speeches work, or at least I thought I did. I know the democrats are far from innocent in the attack game, but I do think that John McCain and Sara Palin have gone completely morally bankrupt, even for politics, not only because of the attacks their opponent's public service and questioning of his patriotism, but because they demonstrate a willingness to do almost anything to win, even if it means implying ficticious wrong doing, even if it means distorting the values of Christianity, and even if that means destroying the dignity of a 17 year old girl. I don't want any part of it.

Country First. And family? Well, maybe their problems will help in the polls.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="Raged_Soulja"]This speech doen't matter anyways, I don't think Americans wanna make the same mistake for the THIRD time.( And that's putting a republican in office)Raged_Soulja

better then bushes, better economy, no pointless war

You keep laughing while the American dollar plumets becuase of that useless war. You McCain lovers are so ignorant its sad:(

No, what would be ignorant is if we backed a candidate with no experience who wanted to hug terrorist nations who wouldnt allow their past details to be released who had ties to people such as Ayers and Wright. You see, John McCain has proven his love for his country. He went to war and refused to give in to torture. He honestly loves his country.Palin is a perfect example that shows the American dream is alive and well. A normal woman CAN becomePresident. She never once played the victim card as luberals do. That's whythey hate her. She is walking , living proof that the liberal vattle plan is nothing more than a scheme to pander and you're so oblivious that you eat it up. Liberals do not care about their country, they care about politics.

I've followed politics fairly closely for about five years now, read up on all the scandals, believed the hype from both sides at one point or another, all that, and seriously, nothing has disturbed me more than what has happened in the past week. Think about it, John McCain, knowing that Palin has a pregnant daughter, asked her to be his vice president. He put her in the position of having to choose between being able to serve her country as vice president or protecting her daughter from being dragged through the mud on the largest stage on the planet. Putting her in that position, especially when he had several other highly qualified people available, was not a moral thing to do. What is even worse, however, is that Palin made the choice to allow this, to allow her 17 year old daughter's unplanned pregnancy to become the topic of news reports across the world, conversations across the country, jokes on the internet, tabloids, everything. What kind of person would do that to anyone? What kind of person would do that to their own daughter? This has nothing to do with experience, political viewpoints, or the media. This is about character.

Tonight, I saw Sara Palin give a speech that even Karl Rove, who orchestrated both of George W. Bush's campaigns, would have been sickened by. The speech advocated how much she valued her family, even though she handed her daughter over to mass media wolves. It belittled Barack Obama's effort to help the poor early in his career, but the speech was still intended to appeal to an audience that held traditional Christian values. Near the end of the speech, Sara Palin implied that John McCain was a better American than Barack Obama because Obama made the choice not serve in the armed forces, regardless of the fact that she had not served in the armed forces either. Like any well-planned political speech, such as the one recently given at the DNC by Barack Obama, there were issue related omissions, which were highlighted when she tried to sell this ticket to women, using anecdotes about being a "hockey mom," even though some of the same women the speech was meant to attract might like to know that McCain voted against an equal pay for equal work bill because, he said, "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system." These women should also note that while a "private enterprise system" should be free from government regulations, their bodies are a different story, as Palin is strongly agaisnt abortion, which the speech did not mention at all.

I've never been a big fan of Barack Obama, I think he's copped out and changed possitions on a ton of important issues. I don't think his economic plans stand a great chance of working. I don't think that the democrats did anything worthwhile during their recent control of congress, and I don't think George W. Bush is the worst president we've ever had, but the direction that the republican party is trying to take this election is very disturbing. I understand how political attack speeches work, or at least I thought I did. I know the democrats are far from innocent in the attack game, but I do think that John McCain and Sara Palin have gone completely morally bankrupt, even for politics, not only because of the attacks their opponent's public service and questioning of his patriotism, but because they demonstrate a willingness to do almost anything to win, even if it means implying ficticious wrong doing, even if it means distorting the values of Christianity, and even if that means destroying the dignity of a 17 year old girl. I don't want any part of it.

Country First. And family? Well, maybe their problems will help in the polls.

NearTheEnd

Are you kidding? She didn't "hand her daughter over", the media stepped out of line and attacked her family out of their biased hatred for the right. You've somehow managed to sink even lower and blame it on her. You seriously sicken me. For people to say that a woman can't have a family and be a succesful politician and/ or say it's wrong for her to run because the media would attack her daughter is horrible. You're part of the problem.

Does Palin know what a VP does yet?

:roll:

nalhutta94

She's already fought cirruption and done wonders in her executive terms. What does Obama know about being PRESIDENT. You guys are a joke.

[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

battlefront23

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

I can't believe you just brought that myth up. Honestly, liberal conspiracists, stop with that! You can only hold lies for so long... then it gets annoying.

what about the rest of his response?

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]

[QUOTE="duxup"]Ugh, fear based rhetoric. The speech isn't total crap but that stuff sure is.duxup

All political speeches are rhetoric. They all try to persaude you to do something or believe something.

The fear of terrorism stuff is what bothers me.

To call the fear of terrorism "fear based rhetoric" is foolish and underestimates the seriousness of the matter. I want a candidate that will protect us. Calling it fear based rhetoric is like saying "eh its ok for a white woman to walk through harlem at 3am. Dont be so paranoid. Matter of fact, if youre afraid, youre just a paranoid racist". No its common sense. When will you people wake up and quit playing politics. national security is not fear mongering. How can you even go there after the attacks? Mind blowing.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]I'm going to be a pow so I have enough experience to run for president!ArmoredAshes

Yea and I will be a mayor of a Small city and a governor for 2 years of a state with a smaller population of Austin Texas

She's done more in her offices than Obama has EVER done. Her and McCain actually care about the country as opposed to Obama/ Biden who care more about empowering their party. Everything she said is true. There are NO good reasons to vote for Obama. Those only reasons people can give are "hope and change" and "more of the same". It's silly rhetoric. Well McCain has stood up to the republican party before because of his personal convictions and Palin has stood up to established power. All Obama has are empty words. Palin and McCain have shown who they are. It would be foolish for anyone to vote against them. It's blunt, but true. Now it's bed time.

lemme just say one thing...she's a politician...they can NEVER say the entire truth. why? because people dont really wanna hear it. or it would just flat out cause mass hysteria. along with the fact that all politicians lie to us to get into office.

Ok what has she lied about? I'm not much into stereotyping. She seems very genuine and has shown ethics in standing up to the established corruption in Alaska. Biden however, said last year (and there are sound bites) that it was normal to take money from special interests and that everyone did it, while recently saying he never has.

[QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]I'm going to be a pow so I have enough experience to run for president!Trashface

Yea and I will be a mayor of a Small city and a governor for 2 years of a state with a smaller population of Austin Texas

She's done more in her offices than Obama has EVER done. Her and McCain actually care about the country as opposed to Obama/ Biden who care more about empowering their party. Everything she said is true. There are NO good reasons to vote for Obama. Those only reasons people can give are "hope and change" and "more of the same". It's silly rhetoric. Well McCain has stood up to the republican party before because of his personal convictions and Palin has stood up to established power. All Obama has are empty words. Palin and McCain have shown who they are. It would be foolish for anyone to vote against them. It's blunt, but true. Now it's bed time.

lemme just say one thing...she's a politician...they can NEVER say the entire truth. why? because people dont really wanna hear it. or it would just flat out cause mass hysteria. along with the fact that all politicians lie to us to get into office.

Ok what has she lied about?

she lied about visiting Ireland as foreign policy experience.

[QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="The_Mac_Daddy"][QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Palin: 2 terms on City counci, and as mayor ofWasilla, Alaska pop. 6,000 My city of Gurnee has more people.

20 mths experience as a governor

Laughed at a person with cancer http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/palin-laughs-as-opponent_n_122776.html

International Experience: Uhh, Alaska is close to Russia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/cindy-mccain-on-abc-today_b_122759.html

Pregnant 17 year old daughter, (unwed)

Are these the values we wish to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1

Palin was the governor most recently.. and has an 80% approval rating, the highest in the nation.

And are you seriously using huffington post as a source? That's one of the most liberal places you can go.

Her pregnant daughter has nothing to do with her as a mother or her as a vice president for that matter.. it's basically pointless to even bring it up.

By the way, Obama used to do cocaine. Is that a value we would like to instill in our children?

Chargeagles1, you just got destroyed! :lol:

80% approval rating in a state with 683,000 people. Hmmm Illinois has 12,852,548 people. APPROXIMATELY 18.82 TIMES MORE PEOPLE. and u wonder why she has a higher approval rating. huffington post is a legitimate source, as they do not fabricate news. BTW shouldn't u be watching the O'reilly factor or sean hannity right now. How does her having a pregnant daughter at age 17 have nothing to do with her parenting? are u delusional because teenage pregnancy is not regarded as an achievement. yes Obama has taken cocaine, but he has stopped a long time ago, and he WASN'T AFRAID TO DISCLOSE THAT TO THE PUBLIC UNLIKE SOMEBODY NAMED PALIN (cough cough, i can't remember whether that is my child or my daughters). What about her foreign experience, and her mocking of a cancer victim huh? i think you guys got destroyed.

My God.. I don't even know where to begin. We can argue certian points there till the cows come home and I can completely just prove you wrong on most things you typed there.. but you are so blindly against Palin that you are not even worth my time. You are basically just being moronic. I have a feeling you are about 14, possibly 15 years old.

I'll consider your points if you find a legitimate error in my points. and yes her daughter is pregnant.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html

So we should blame Hillary for Bill's infedelity since you're into blaming other family members for the mistakes of individuals? The population of Alaska does not matter. The percentile of approval is still indicative of the populations contentment. She cut out pointless spending (even to the point of sacrificing luxuries) and has already foughtand beat corruption. You are so entrenched in politics and hatred for republicans that you honestly don't see how sick it is what people like you and the media are doing. You're disgusting.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]I'm going to be a pow so I have enough experience to run for president!Tjeremiah1988

Yea and I will be a mayor of a Small city and a governor for 2 years of a state with a smaller population of Austin Texas

She's done more in her offices than Obama has EVER done. Her and McCain actually care about the country as opposed to Obama/ Biden who care more about empowering their party. Everything she said is true. There are NO good reasons to vote for Obama. Those only reasons people can give are "hope and change" and "more of the same". It's silly rhetoric. Well McCain has stood up to the republican party before because of his personal convictions and Palin has stood up to established power. All Obama has are empty words. Palin and McCain have shown who they are. It would be foolish for anyone to vote against them. It's blunt, but true. Now it's bed time.

lemme just say one thing...she's a politician...they can NEVER say the entire truth. why? because people dont really wanna hear it. or it would just flat out cause mass hysteria. along with the fact that all politicians lie to us to get into office.

Ok what has she lied about?

she lied about visiting Ireland as foreign policy experience.

Find me a link to that story that isn't to a liberal site please.

[QUOTE="NearTheEnd"]

I've followed politics fairly closely for about five years now, read up on all the scandals, believed the hype from both sides at one point or another, all that, and seriously, nothing has disturbed me more than what has happened in the past week. Think about it, John McCain, knowing that Palin has a pregnant daughter, asked her to be his vice president. He put her in the position of having to choose between being able to serve her country as vice president or protecting her daughter from being dragged through the mud on the largest stage on the planet. Putting her in that position, especially when he had several other highly qualified people available, was not a moral thing to do. What is even worse, however, is that Palin made the choice to allow this, to allow her 17 year old daughter's unplanned pregnancy to become the topic of news reports across the world, conversations across the country, jokes on the internet, tabloids, everything. What kind of person would do that to anyone? What kind of person would do that to their own daughter? This has nothing to do with experience, political viewpoints, or the media. This is about character.

Tonight, I saw Sara Palin give a speech that even Karl Rove, who orchestrated both of George W. Bush's campaigns, would have been sickened by. The speech advocated how much she valued her family, even though she handed her daughter over to mass media wolves. It belittled Barack Obama's effort to help the poor early in his career, but the speech was still intended to appeal to an audience that held traditional Christian values. Near the end of the speech, Sara Palin implied that John McCain was a better American than Barack Obama because Obama made the choice not serve in the armed forces, regardless of the fact that she had not served in the armed forces either. Like any well-planned political speech, such as the one recently given at the DNC by Barack Obama, there were issue related omissions, which were highlighted when she tried to sell this ticket to women, using anecdotes about being a "hockey mom," even though some of the same women the speech was meant to attract might like to know that McCain voted against an equal pay for equal work bill because, he said, "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system." These women should also note that while a "private enterprise system" should be free from government regulations, their bodies are a different story, as Palin is strongly agaisnt abortion, which the speech did not mention at all.

I've never been a big fan of Barack Obama, I think he's copped out and changed possitions on a ton of important issues. I don't think his economic plans stand a great chance of working. I don't think that the democrats did anything worthwhile during their recent control of congress, and I don't think George W. Bush is the worst president we've ever had, but the direction that the republican party is trying to take this election is very disturbing. I understand how political attack speeches work, or at least I thought I did. I know the democrats are far from innocent in the attack game, but I do think that John McCain and Sara Palin have gone completely morally bankrupt, even for politics, not only because of the attacks their opponent's public service and questioning of his patriotism, but because they demonstrate a willingness to do almost anything to win, even if it means implying ficticious wrong doing, even if it means distorting the values of Christianity, and even if that means destroying the dignity of a 17 year old girl. I don't want any part of it.

Country First. And family? Well, maybe their problems will help in the polls.

Trashface

Are you kidding? She didn't "hand her daughter over", the media stepped out of line and attacked her family out of their biased hatred for the right. You've somehow managed to sink even lower and blame it on her. You seriously sicken me. For people to say that a woman can't have a family and be a succesful politician and/ or say it's wrong for her to run because the media would attack her daughter is horrible. You're part of the problem.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]I'm going to be a pow so I have enough experience to run for president!Trashface

Yea and I will be a mayor of a Small city and a governor for 2 years of a state with a smaller population of Austin Texas

She's done more in her offices than Obama has EVER done. Her and McCain actually care about the country as opposed to Obama/ Biden who care more about empowering their party. Everything she said is true. There are NO good reasons to vote for Obama. Those only reasons people can give are "hope and change" and "more of the same". It's silly rhetoric. Well McCain has stood up to the republican party before because of his personal convictions and Palin has stood up to established power. All Obama has are empty words. Palin and McCain have shown who they are. It would be foolish for anyone to vote against them. It's blunt, but true. Now it's bed time.

lemme just say one thing...she's a politician...they can NEVER say the entire truth. why? because people dont really wanna hear it. or it would just flat out cause mass hysteria. along with the fact that all politicians lie to us to get into office.

Ok what has she lied about?

she lied about visiting Ireland as foreign policy experience.

Find me a link to that story that isn't to a liberal site please.

google.com Just type it up and look for yourself, you'll see.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="NearTheEnd"]

I've followed politics fairly closely for about five years now, read up on all the scandals, believed the hype from both sides at one point or another, all that, and seriously, nothing has disturbed me more than what has happened in the past week. Think about it, John McCain, knowing that Palin has a pregnant daughter, asked her to be his vice president. He put her in the position of having to choose between being able to serve her country as vice president or protecting her daughter from being dragged through the mud on the largest stage on the planet. Putting her in that position, especially when he had several other highly qualified people available, was not a moral thing to do. What is even worse, however, is that Palin made the choice to allow this, to allow her 17 year old daughter's unplanned pregnancy to become the topic of news reports across the world, conversations across the country, jokes on the internet, tabloids, everything. What kind of person would do that to anyone? What kind of person would do that to their own daughter? This has nothing to do with experience, political viewpoints, or the media. This is about character.

Tonight, I saw Sara Palin give a speech that even Karl Rove, who orchestrated both of George W. Bush's campaigns, would have been sickened by. The speech advocated how much she valued her family, even though she handed her daughter over to mass media wolves. It belittled Barack Obama's effort to help the poor early in his career, but the speech was still intended to appeal to an audience that held traditional Christian values. Near the end of the speech, Sara Palin implied that John McCain was a better American than Barack Obama because Obama made the choice not serve in the armed forces, regardless of the fact that she had not served in the armed forces either. Like any well-planned political speech, such as the one recently given at the DNC by Barack Obama, there were issue related omissions, which were highlighted when she tried to sell this ticket to women, using anecdotes about being a "hockey mom," even though some of the same women the speech was meant to attract might like to know that McCain voted against an equal pay for equal work bill because, he said, "This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private enterprise system." These women should also note that while a "private enterprise system" should be free from government regulations, their bodies are a different story, as Palin is strongly agaisnt abortion, which the speech did not mention at all.

I've never been a big fan of Barack Obama, I think he's copped out and changed possitions on a ton of important issues. I don't think his economic plans stand a great chance of working. I don't think that the democrats did anything worthwhile during their recent control of congress, and I don't think George W. Bush is the worst president we've ever had, but the direction that the republican party is trying to take this election is very disturbing. I understand how political attack speeches work, or at least I thought I did. I know the democrats are far from innocent in the attack game, but I do think that John McCain and Sara Palin have gone completely morally bankrupt, even for politics, not only because of the attacks their opponent's public service and questioning of his patriotism, but because they demonstrate a willingness to do almost anything to win, even if it means implying ficticious wrong doing, even if it means distorting the values of Christianity, and even if that means destroying the dignity of a 17 year old girl. I don't want any part of it.

Country First. And family? Well, maybe their problems will help in the polls.

killtactics

Are you kidding? She didn't "hand her daughter over", the media stepped out of line and attacked her family out of their biased hatred for the right. You've somehow managed to sink even lower and blame it on her. You seriously sicken me. For people to say that a woman can't have a family and be a succesful politician and/ or say it's wrong for her to run because the media would attack her daughter is horrible. You're part of the problem.

by questioning her parenting skills and questioning whether a mother has the time for a family and VP. They really don't care, they're just doing whatever they can to try and tear her apart because she's a threat. Besides, neartheend is the one that claimed Palin was handing her over to the wolves.

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="ArmoredAshes"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="alexmurray"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-Quest"]I'm going to be a pow so I have enough experience to run for president!Tjeremiah1988

Yea and I will be a mayor of a Small city and a governor for 2 years of a state with a smaller population of Austin Texas

She's done more in her offices than Obama has EVER done. Her and McCain actually care about the country as opposed to Obama/ Biden who care more about empowering their party. Everything she said is true. There are NO good reasons to vote for Obama. Those only reasons people can give are "hope and change" and "more of the same". It's silly rhetoric. Well McCain has stood up to the republican party before because of his personal convictions and Palin has stood up to established power. All Obama has are empty words. Palin and McCain have shown who they are. It would be foolish for anyone to vote against them. It's blunt, but true. Now it's bed time.

lemme just say one thing...she's a politician...they can NEVER say the entire truth. why? because people dont really wanna hear it. or it would just flat out cause mass hysteria. along with the fact that all politicians lie to us to get into office.

Ok what has she lied about?

she lied about visiting Ireland as foreign policy experience.

Find me a link to that story that isn't to a liberal site please.

google.com Just type it up and look for yourself, you'll see.

I did, but only found liberal blogs. Not enough evidence. Even from what I read, it seems it was a member of her campaign saying she had been to Ireland, when she actually has, but it was for a refueling. That would not be Palin lying.

If it wasnt an issue why did she hide it? She was quick to say her son is going to war this month (which I find stupid of her to say). And Palin needs no help from the media in terms of her getting shredded. Tjeremiah1988

How is it stupid to speak about her son and nephew? She's showing that the military and war issues are close to home. She's showing how much of an ordinary person she is. What has she hidden?It was a campaign member that mentioned Ireland, not her.

[QUOTE="Raged_Soulja"]

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]Rudy is tearing apart Obama right now, termendously funny.yellowandmushy

That bald headed old hag ain't got nothin on Obama.

Is that the only thing against Obama? That's all I hear out of Republicans. Frankly, it would be nice if we had a fresh voice in government. Abraham Lincoln was but a lawyer, and look what he did.

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]If it wasnt an issue why did she hide it? She was quick to say her son is going to war this month (which I find stupid of her to say). And Palin needs no help from the media in terms of her getting shredded. Trashface

How is it stupid to speak about her son and nephew? She's showing that the military and war issues are close to home. She's showing how much of an ordinary person she is. What has she hidden?It was a campaign member that mentioned Ireland, not her.

she hid her daughters pregnancy in the beginning, no? And I say its stupid because god forbid she becomes VP and her son is in Iraq. The terrorist will go all out to capture him and use him for money or w/e. She isnt no ordinary parent if shes VP. He will be a huge target to capture.

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Raged_Soulja"]

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]Rudy is tearing apart Obama right now, termendously funny.k_smoove

That bald headed old hag ain't got nothin on Obama.

Is that the only thing against Obama? That's all I hear out of Republicans. Frankly, it would be nice if we had a fresh voice in government. Abraham Lincoln was but a lawyer, and look what he did.

Experience is a vital part of the job, but there are other things agaisnt Obama to consider. Obama claims to be an agent for change. Does his record show this at all? He has never authored one major reform bill. He has never reached across party lines on any major initiatives. Both in the Illinois Senate and U.S. Senate he has voted down the line Democrat, and was rated the most liberal senator of 2007 (by the objective Opinion Journal).

Obama is not who he claims to be. He is articulate and sounds great, but his record show that is all he is. McCain is the one who has made a career of transcenidng party (this is why the Republicans have been so mad at him in the past). He authored Campaign Finance Reform and Immigration Reform with liberal Democrats. He is a true maverick, and someone who will get things done in Washinton.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]If it wasnt an issue why did she hide it? She was quick to say her son is going to war this month (which I find stupid of her to say). And Palin needs no help from the media in terms of her getting shredded. Tjeremiah1988

How is it stupid to speak about her son and nephew? She's showing that the military and war issues are close to home. She's showing how much of an ordinary person she is. What has she hidden?It was a campaign member that mentioned Ireland, not her.

she hid her daughters pregnancy in the beginning, no? And I say its stupid because god forbid she becomes VP and her son is in Iraq. The terrorist will go all out to capture him and use him for money or w/e. She isnt no ordinary parent if shes VP. He will be a huge target to capture.

that makes no sense. you are watching way too much tv.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]If it wasnt an issue why did she hide it? She was quick to say her son is going to war this month (which I find stupid of her to say). And Palin needs no help from the media in terms of her getting shredded. Tjeremiah1988

How is it stupid to speak about her son and nephew? She's showing that the military and war issues are close to home. She's showing how much of an ordinary person she is. What has she hidden?It was a campaign member that mentioned Ireland, not her.

she hid her daughters pregnancy in the beginning, no? And I say its stupid because god forbid she becomes VP and her son is in Iraq. The terrorist will go all out to capture him and use him for money or w/e. She isnt no ordinary parent if shes VP. He will be a huge target to capture.

No she did not hide it. She's the one who made it public. McCain knew before he picked her. He knew such things were irrelevant. You think terrorists can just say "hey I want that soldier!"? I thought fear of terrorists was just paranoia anyway, right? That's what libs say.

[QUOTE="yellowandmushy"][QUOTE="Raged_Soulja"]

[QUOTE="hokies1313"]Rudy is tearing apart Obama right now, termendously funny.k_smoove

That bald headed old hag ain't got nothin on Obama.

Is that the only thing against Obama? That's all I hear out of Republicans. Frankly, it would be nice if we had a fresh voice in government. Abraham Lincoln was but a lawyer, and look what he did.

Oh no, there are many more things against Obama. He has flip flopped to say whatever is popular at the moment among his base, his mentor of 20 years is a hateful biggot, he has ties to an american terrorist group (weathermen), he can only say what his teleprompter says, otherwise he's all uuuuhhhhh and ummmm (by the way, palin's prompter broke last night and she still killed it, and most frightening of all, Obama wants to reach out to terrorist nations who want nothing more than for western culture to die. This will lend them legitimacy and put us much closer to danger. On top of that, he has NO leadership experience, unless you count his "community organizer "days in which he helped arrange fraudulent elections by helping illegals to vote. that's why Bill Clinton himself said that in his Chicago days, Obama used thug politics. Why don't you guys wise up and do what's best for your country instead of blindly following what friends, parents, and media says?