Pizza is now a Vegetable

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]And eating healthy is key to keeping your caloric intake where it needs to be. High glycemic foods such as pizza ingredients and fries are metabolized very quickly in your body, in contrast to lower glycemic foods such as meat and actual vegetables. When you eat high glycemic foods, you are just hungry again in an hour or two. And most people will just eat again when they are hungry. High glycemic foods cause people to eat more calories.airshocker

What people do when they get hungry again has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the food themselves not being unhealthy.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]So, you are trying to make a point about fast food, so you produce a chart (that hopefully was based on scientific study) that has nothing to do with fast food. And to make the leap you use your imagination?

Planet_Pluto

a simple equations: (caloric intake -calories burned) = net surplus or (deficite)

(net surplus * Time) / 3000 = pounds gains

(net deficite *time)/3000 = pounds lost

there are about 3000 calories in a pound of fat.

STFU THAT'S HOWNecrifer

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]And eating healthy is key to keeping your caloric intake where it needs to be. High glycemic foods such as pizza ingredients and fries are metabolized very quickly in your body, in contrast to lower glycemic foods such as meat and actual vegetables. When you eat high glycemic foods, you are just hungry again in an hour or two. And most people will just eat again when they are hungry. High glycemic foods cause people to eat more calories.Engrish_Major

What people do when they get hungry again has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the food themselves not being unhealthy.

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] It is not farfetched to imagine. Do you have another explanation? Correlation doesn't imply causation though. That was also my point by answering to the graph posted above with another graph.kuraimen

The chart about physical activity says nothing about fast food either :|

Here a scientific study for you
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1812142&show=html

It is found that GPA is negatively correlated with BMI and fast food intake, and BMI and fast food intake are positively correlated in the American sample.

And here is the amount of McDonalds in the US. Relaly it is not so farfetched to see why America is the most overweight nation in the world. Of course physical activity has to do with it but thinking that fast food is not is pretty naive.

Yes, I've seen the pretty picture of the U.S. by way of McDonald's locations before. I hate to burst your bubble, but without having a global map, it still doesn't really do anything to support your claim.

Now, I'm not saying that easy access to fast food isn't a component of obesity rates at all, but I still contend that you have put up two charts/visuals that in now way, shape or form support what you are saying.

High glycemic foods also present many other health risks. Here is a set of studies you can read. You can't just ignore the fact that some foods are good for you, and some are not. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/foods/grains/gigl.htmlEngrish_Major

I'm not ignoring anything and I'm not suggesting people eat pizza or french fries every single day. That's their own choice like it is mine. What I am against is the idea that eating pizza or french fries a couple of days a week is bad for you. I grew up eating public school lunches and I'm in perfect health(not counting the head cold I currently have and the f'ed up toe and thumb from my time in the Air Force).

You're going to go far with those types of posts.

topsemag55

I'm sorry. :(

I'm not ignoring anything and I'm not suggesting people eat pizza or french fries every single day. That's their own choice like it is mine. What I am against is the idea that eating pizza or french fries a couple of days a week is bad for you. You can show study after study and it won't make a difference to me. I grew up eating public school lunches and I'm in perfect health(not counting the head cold I currently have and the f'ed up toe and thumb from my time in the Air Force).

airshocker

You seem to be confused. Pizza has not been classified as a vegetable, tomato paste has. thegerg

I'm not ignoring anything and I'm not suggesting people eat pizza or french fries every single day. That's their own choice like it is mine. What I am against is the idea that eating pizza or french fries a couple of days a week is bad for you. You can show study after study and it won't make a difference to me. I grew up eating public school lunches and I'm in perfect health(not counting the head cold I currently have and the f'ed up toe and thumb from my time in the Air Force).

airshocker

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]The chart you provided says nothing about physical activity. Just one of many other possible/plausable explanations. Actually, your chart does about as much to support the possible explanation I provided as it does yours. (In other words, nothing).

Planet_Pluto

The chart about physical activity says nothing about fast food either :|

Here a scientific study for you
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1812142&show=html

It is found that GPA is negatively correlated with BMI and fast food intake, and BMI and fast food intake are positively correlated in the American sample.

And here is the amount of McDonalds in the US. Relaly it is not so farfetched to see why America is the most overweight nation in the world. Of course physical activity has to do with it but thinking that fast food is not is pretty naive.

Yes, I've seen the pretty picture of the U.S. by way of McDonald's locations before. I hate to burst your bubble, but without having a global map, it still doesn't really do anything to support your claim.

Now, I'm not saying that easy access to fast food isn't a component of obesity rates at all, but I still contend that you have put up two charts/visuals that in now way, shape or form support what you are saying.

Wait wait wait. I just gave you a scientific study that supports those claims and even give context to those charts and you completely ignore it? Well that's cute.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

What people do when they get hungry again has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the food themselves not being unhealthy.

kuraimen

Pizza has your vegetable, bread, dairy, and meat groups. It's the most healthy food ever created.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I don't know what this has to do with political correctness, or what it has to do with liberals at all. But here are the articles: airshocker

The only reason they have to label pizza as a vegetable is because of the standards the Obama administration and Dept of Agriculture set for school lunches being healthier. They only sought to make these changes because it's not politically correct for kids to eat french fries and pizza.

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

man, if this is not the most ironic post ever! everything is good and nice as long as we gotz OPP. kicking out affordable foods for idelogical reason is good, but not wanting to increase costs needlessly is bad? i guess if we dont break the bank on this generation feeding them only organic veggies and fruit then they will die, just like every generation before them.....

surrealnumber5

Kicking out affordable foods for HEALTH reasons not ideological reasons.

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

DarkGamer007

Pizza has your vegetable, bread, dairy, and meat groups. It's the most healthy food ever created.

xdude85

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

topsemag55

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]I don't know what this has to do with political correctness, or what it has to do with liberals at all. But here are the articles: DarkGamer007

The only reason they have to label pizza as a vegetable is because of the standards the Obama administration and Dept of Agriculture set for school lunches being healthier. They only sought to make these changes because it's not politically correct for kids to eat french fries and pizza.

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

bc you can get that from papa john'sJandurin

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well that goes against everything health specialists recommed by I'm sure you know better.airshocker

No it doesn't. It's all about caloric intake. So long as the excess intake is offset by physical activity that burns calories, it is healthy.

I was in the Air Force, I know a little thing about fitness since I had to pass fitness tests every six months.

No it does not make it health, it goes beyond caloric intake, it has to do with the nutrients provided to your body by the food. If you eat food lacking the nutrients that fresh fruit and vegetables provide and instead eat processesd foods with little nutrional value but are loaded with saturated fat, and high frutose corn syrup you will be far more unhealthy than the person eating fresh fruit and vegetables and a healthy diet that exercises regularly.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

man, if this is not the most ironic post ever! everything is good and nice as long as we gotz OPP. kicking out affordable foods for idelogical reason is good, but not wanting to increase costs needlessly is bad? i guess if we dont break the bank on this generation feeding them only organic veggies and fruit then they will die, just like every generation before them.....

kuraimen

Kicking out affordable foods for HEALTH reasons not ideological reasons.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

The only reason they have to label pizza as a vegetable is because of the standards the Obama administration and Dept of Agriculture set for school lunches being healthier. They only sought to make these changes because it's not politically correct for kids to eat french fries and pizza.

surrealnumber5

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

That doesn't refute my point. :| I'm saying lets provide healthier foods in schools and get rid of processed foods, so not only will kids being getting atleast one or two healthy meals a day but if they do exercise it will do them more good because they are eating healthy.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]bc you can get that from papa john'stopsemag55

its not for "health reasons" if it were for "health reasons" the people who had been eating those types of lunches over the last 40 years would have exhibited related health problems and since each generation is living longer than the prior that does not seem to be the case. it is ONLY for ideological reasons, there is nothing inherently unhealthy about potatoes or pizza. if these foods are so bad make them illegal like weed or crack, that is if they are indeed a public health risk

surrealnumber5

its not for "health reasons" if it were for "health reasons" the people who had been eating those types of lunches over the last 40 years would have exhibited related health problems and since each generation is living longer than the prior that does not seem to be the case. it is ONLY for ideological reasons, there is nothing inherently unhealthy about potatoes or pizza. if these foods are so bad make them illegal like weed or crack, that is if they are indeed a public health risksurrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

The chart about physical activity says nothing about fast food either :|

Here a scientific study for you
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1812142&show=html

It is found that GPA is negatively correlated with BMI and fast food intake, and BMI and fast food intake are positively correlated in the American sample.

And here is the amount of McDonalds in the US. Relaly it is not so farfetched to see why America is the most overweight nation in the world. Of course physical activity has to do with it but thinking that fast food is not is pretty naive.

kuraimen

Yes, I've seen the pretty picture of the U.S. by way of McDonald's locations before. I hate to burst your bubble, but without having a global map, it still doesn't really do anything to support your claim.

Now, I'm not saying that easy access to fast food isn't a component of obesity rates at all, but I still contend that you have put up two charts/visuals that in now way, shape or form support what you are saying.

Wait wait wait. I just gave you a scientific study that supports those claims and even give context to those charts and you completely ignore it? Well that's cute.

You gave a chart that showed the amount of time people spend eating (that said nothing at all about WHAT people were eating nor anything about fast food).

Then you showed a map of the US that showed there are a heck of a lot of McDonalds here. What about all the McDonalds in other parts of the world? Don't you think that if you want to say McDonalds makes people fat, you should show a correlation between the number of McDonalds in the US compared to the rest of the world (along with obesity rates)?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] its not for "health reasons" if it were for "health reasons" the people who had been eating those types of lunches over the last 40 years would have exhibited related health problems and since each generation is living longer than the prior that does not seem to be the case. it is ONLY for ideological reasons, there is nothing inherently unhealthy about potatoes or pizza. if these foods are so bad make them illegal like weed or crack, that is if they are indeed a public health risktopsemag55

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] its not for "health reasons" if it were for "health reasons" the people who had been eating those types of lunches over the last 40 years would have exhibited related health problems and since each generation is living longer than the prior that does not seem to be the case. it is ONLY for ideological reasons, there is nothing inherently unhealthy about potatoes or pizza. if these foods are so bad make them illegal like weed or crack, that is if they are indeed a public health riskEngrish_Major

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Or because highly processed pizza and french fires are not healthy and daily consumption is awful for your health. :|

DarkGamer007

That doesn't refute my point. :| I'm saying lets provide healthier foods in schools and get rid of processed foods, so not only will kids being getting atleast one or two healthy meals a day but if they do exercise it will do them more good because they are eating healthy.

So you're saying that pizza causes diabetes? I think not, I think genetics could be a bigger factor with diabetes.topsemag55

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It's far from the answer. Are you stating that nutritionists recommend healthy diets because of ideaology? And many ailments are increasing by generation, such as diabetes and the related health problems.Jandurin

LOL All of this talk of diabetes has caused diabetes-related ads to appear at the bottom of the page.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It's far from the answer. Are you stating that nutritionists recommend healthy diets because of ideaology? And many ailments are increasing by generation, such as diabetes and the related health problems.Planet_Pluto

While I'm glad it isn't the case....... Didn't you say you were finished with this thread forever?

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

While I'm glad it isn't the case....... Didn't you say you were finished with this thread forever?

Jandurin

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] its not for "health reasons" if it were for "health reasons" the people who had been eating those types of lunches over the last 40 years would have exhibited related health problems and since each generation is living longer than the prior that does not seem to be the case. it is ONLY for ideological reasons, there is nothing inherently unhealthy about potatoes or pizza. if these foods are so bad make them illegal like weed or crack, that is if they are indeed a public health riskEngrish_Major

Practicing for a run to become an elected official?

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It's far from the answer. Are you stating that nutritionists recommend healthy diets because of ideaology? And many ailments are increasing by generation, such as diabetes and the related health problems.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It's far from the answer. Are you stating that nutritionists recommend healthy diets because of ideaology? And many ailments are increasing by generation, such as diabetes and the related health problems.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] NO MAN you saw what surreal said people are living longer which has nothing to do with medical advances and only to do with what people ate in elementary school so YOU are wrong it is IDEOLOGICAL that is ITJandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It's far from the answer. Are you stating that nutritionists recommend healthy diets because of ideaology? And many ailments are increasing by generation, such as diabetes and the related health problems.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] NO MAN you saw what surreal said people are living longer which has nothing to do with medical advances and only to do with what people ate in elementary school so YOU are wrong it is IDEOLOGICAL that is ITEngrish_Major

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

surrealnumber5

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

surrealnumber5