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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

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I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being oveweight?

good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently
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#202 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently

That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing. Nothing is not politicized these days.
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good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently -Sun_Tzu-
i wonder what the breakdown for heart attacks is between dems and repubs
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently

That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing. Nothing is not politicized these days.

those hippy nutritionists are just trying to drive the fast food corporations out of business man
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From the study (which is actually a compilation of multiple studies) I posted, which hopefully ends this: After a high-glycemic load meal, blood glucose levels rise more rapidly and insulin demand is greater than after a low-glycemic load meal. High blood glucose levels and excessive insulin secretion are thought to contribute to the loss of the insulin-secreting function of the pancreatic beta-cells that leads to irreversible diabetes(6). High dietary glycemic loads have been associated with an increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes mellitus (DM) in several large prospective studies. In the Nurses' Health Study (NHS), women with the highest dietary glycemic loads were 37% more likely to develop type 2 DM over a 6-year period than women with the lowest dietary glycemic loads (7). Additionally, women with high-glycemic load diets that were low in cereal fiber were more than twice as likely to develop type 2 DM than women with low-glycemic load diets that were high in cereal fiber. The results of the Health Professionals Follow-up Study (HPFS), which followed male health professionals over six years were similar (8). In the NHS II study, a prospective study of younger and middle-aged women, those who consumed foods with the highest glycemic index values and the least cereal fiber were also at significantly higher risk of developing type 2 DM over the next eight years (9). The foods that were most consistently associated with increased risk of type 2 DM in the NHS and HPFS cohorts were potatoes (cooked or French-fried), white rice, white bread, and carbonated beverages (6).The Black Women's Health study, a prospective study in a cohort of 59,000 U.S. black women, found that women who consumed foods with the highest glycemic index values had a 23% greater risk of developing type 2 DM over eight years of follow-up compared to those who consumed foods with the lowest glycemic index values (10). In the American Cancer Society Cancer Prevention Study II, which followed 124,907 men and women for nine years, high glycemic load was associated with a 15% increased risk of type 2 DM (11). Further, in a cohort of over 64,000 Chinese women participating in the Shanghai Women's Health Study, high glycemic load was associated with a 34% increase in risk of type 2 DM; this positive association was much stronger among overweight women (12). A U.S. ecological study of national data from 1909 to 1997 found that increased consumption of refined carbohydrates in the form of corn syrup, coupled with declining intake of dietary fiber, has paralleled the increase in prevalence of type 2 DM (13). Today, high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is used as a sweetener and preservative in many commercial products sold in the United States, including soft drinks and other processed foods. To make HFCS, the fructose content of corn syrup (100% glucose) has been artificially increased; common formulations of HFCS now include 42%, 55%, or 90% fructose (13). When consumed in large quantities on a long-term basis, HFCS is unhealthful and may contribute to other chronic diseases besides type 2 DM, including obesity and cardiovascular disease. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/foods/grains/gigl.html
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[QUOTE="fabz_95"]So does that mean it counts as one of my 5 a day?Jandurin
fabz, if you listen to the american government for your health needs you will die

LOL, thanks for the warning my man.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

Engrish_Major

I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being overweight?

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

surrealnumber5

I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being overweight?

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

why is it that unhealthy foods are so cheap, surreal
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Glad to know that we're getting things taken care of.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

Jandurin

i would blame ADD, knowing you

im too poor to be in HD? thats harsh jand.

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#211 coolbeans90
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Pizza is s*** without tomato sauce, so I can support this. Well done, Congress.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

surrealnumber5

I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being overweight?

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

How exactly would they be out of shape assuming that Engrish_Major's and my plan both called for the same physical fitness as yours? More over with your whole, prone to illness part, the nutrients and vitamins provided in healthy food would actually help boost your immune system's strength.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

this is the first post i have read with Diabetes in it......... and i would still blame activity and genetics before SCHOOL nutrition

surrealnumber5

i would blame ADD, knowing you

im too poor to be in HD? thats harsh jand.

adhd is a ruse
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being overweight?Jandurin

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

why is it that unhealthy foods are so cheap, surreal

potatos are easy to clutivate, require little work to bring to market and sell in large volume. piza is made with cheese tomato paste water eggs and flour all lower end items.

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diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

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Diet is a very big factor. And if you give them even less calories, then they will just be hungrier - compounding the fact that the foods are high-glycemic in the first place. And the study I posted (if you click the link) also shows a direct correlation between high-glycemic foods and eating more, for reasons that I explained earlier. And my solutions would not cost more if unhealthy foods were not subsidized to the degree that they are now.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] i would blame ADD, knowing youJandurin

im too poor to be in HD? thats harsh jand.

adhd is a ruse

I don't think he meant ADHD...
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And my solutions would not cost more if unhealthy foods were not subsidized to the degree that they are now.Engrish_Major
THIS is what I was saying.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] I've been talking about it for a few posts. And the studies that I posted (which everyone seems to want to ignore) state a direct causation between diabetes and diet. As well as every article I've ever read about the subject. Really? This is what this is coming down to? Diet does not cause diabetes and being overweight?DarkGamer007

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

How exactly would they be out of shape assuming that Engrish_Major's and my plan both called for the same physical fitness as yours? More over with your whole, prone to illness part, the nutrients and vitamins provided in healthy food would actually help boost your immune system's strength.

i honestly never cauth that but i have been only reading replies to me and the posts around them as this thread is moving fast.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] im too poor to be in HD? thats harsh jand.

Baconbits2004

adhd is a ruse

I don't think he meant ADHD...

i did

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i honestly never cauth that but i have been only reading replies to me and the posts around them as this thread is moving fast.

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I would never argue against better phys-ed classes for children.
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

diet is A factor not THE factor. diabetes is caused by a combination of genetics and unspent energy that is converted from sugars in the blood to fat that requires insulin SP? over time a disorder forms where the body creates too much/not enough of the stuff. way over simplifying it. your arguing the kids are getting too much to eat and we need to replace the calorically heavy pizza and fries with lighter more expensive foods, i am arguing the foods are fine but the kids need to burn off the food they eat. both methods would bring down obesity but ime would make the kids healthier and it does not cost a red cent. yours costs money and still the kids would be out of shape and prone to illnesses.

Engrish_Major

Diet is a very big factor. And if you give them even less calories, then they will just be hungrier - compounding the fact that the foods are high-glycemic in the first place. And the study I posted (if you click the link) also shows a direct correlation between high-glycemic foods and eating more, for reasons that I explained earlier. And my solutions would not cost more if unhealthy foods were not subsidized to the degree that they are now.

you know i am all for ending all subsidies, so once that happens we can let schools buy what is best for them, but till then i gotta say i am against making them buy high end food at my expense.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently Engrish_Major
That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing.

I don't think anyone is saying that good nutrition has a liberal bias. I think it's more along the lines of "who's responsiblity is it for good nutrition?" I think.... I could be wrong though as there are multiple 'conversations' going on at once here.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently Planet_Pluto

That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing.

I don't think anyone is saying that good nutrition has a liberal bias. I think it's more along the lines of "who's responsiblity is it for good nutrition?" I think.... I could be wrong though as there are multiple 'conversations' going on at once here.

when things stop costing recourse i am all for everybody having everything, till that day i gotta say i dont agree to a lot of things with good intent written all over them.

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you know i am all for ending all subsidies, so once that happens we can let schools buy what is best for them, but till then i gotta say i am against making them buy high end food at my expense.

surrealnumber5
Okay, then that's a fiscal thing. You could have said that 5 pages ago, rather than arguing that nutrition doesn't matter to children. I can't argue with someone that is against increasing school funding, but I can argue what is in the face of findings by every nutritionist, ever.
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[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing. surrealnumber5

I don't think anyone is saying that good nutrition has a liberal bias. I think it's more along the lines of "who's responsiblity is it for good nutrition?" I think.... I could be wrong though as there are multiple 'conversations' going on at once here.

when things stop costing recourse i am all for everybody having everything, till that day i gotta say i dont agree to a lot of things with good intent written all over them.

why are you arguing for THE SAME instead of arguing for LESS then
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Why does pizza not have its own food group?

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

you know i am all for ending all subsidies, so once that happens we can let schools buy what is best for them, but till then i gotta say i am against making them buy high end food at my expense.

Engrish_Major

Okay, then that's a fiscal thing. You could have said that 5 pages ago, rather than arguing that nutrition doesn't matter to children. I can't argue with someone that is against increasing school funding, but I can argue what is in the face of findings by every nutritionist, ever.

i never argued nutrition does not matter, i argued we are more durable being's than people accept, and that on this issue nutrition is not what has made this generation so much fatter than the last it is physical activity.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]I don't think anyone is saying that good nutrition has a liberal bias. I think it's more along the lines of "who's responsiblity is it for good nutrition?" I think.... I could be wrong though as there are multiple 'conversations' going on at once here.

Jandurin

when things stop costing recourse i am all for everybody having everything, till that day i gotta say i dont agree to a lot of things with good intent written all over them.

why are you arguing for THE SAME instead of arguing for LESS then

i would argue less bureaucracy, cut spending there, but i did go to school with a set of brothers who only got their one meal a day from school, and even though i always try to toss out outliers to keep from distorting my views, because of them i cant argue less food. it was not because their parrents could not feed them, it was just that they did not feed them.

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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] good nutrition has a liberal bias apparently Planet_Pluto

That's actually what a few people here are trying to argue. I didn't even know that was a thing.

I don't think anyone is saying that good nutrition has a liberal bias. I think it's more along the lines of "who's responsiblity is it for good nutrition?" I think.... I could be wrong though as there are multiple 'conversations' going on at once here.

Call me crazy but I think schools have a responsibility to make sure the food they are serving is healthy
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Every time I read anything on American politics or even read up at all on the politicians I can't stop and help to think there must be masss of corruption going on in the background. I mean huge corporations seem to have huge sway in US politics.

However the US and Berlusconi (Who will be sadly missed) helped me realise despite all being mongs in parliment we could do abit worse than some British politicians.

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The real absurdity here is the federal govt having ANYTHING to do with what food we serve our kids here in the district where I live.

I am at a complete loss to understand why the lunch menu at the schools in my town are a federal matter.

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The real absurdity here is the federal govt having ANYTHING to do with what food we serve our kids here in the district where I live.

I am at a complete loss to understand why the lunch menu at the schools in my town are a federal matter.

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isn't public education subsidized by the federal government
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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

The real absurdity here is the federal govt having ANYTHING to do with what food we serve our kids here in the district where I live.

I am at a complete loss to understand why the lunch menu at the schools in my town are a federal matter.

Jandurin

isn't public education subsidized by the federal government

I guess that depends on your definition of subsidize. The federal govt confiscates taxes from the people of my state, then ransoms SOME of it back to us for education, among other things, as long as we do as they tell us.

This has not always been the case. Back when I was a lad, schooling was very much a local function. The federal dept of education was not a cabinet level department. It was a resource center for states and local school disricts. It conducted studies on curriculum, building and classroom design, etc etc and made that data available to whomever wanted it.

Funny coincidence that as the federal govt's role in education has expanded, the quality of education has decreased. But I'm sure its just a coincidence.

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The federal govt confiscates taxes from the people of my state, then ransoms SOME of it back to us for education, among other things, as long as we do as they tell us.

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[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

The federal govt confiscates taxes from the people of my state, then ransoms SOME of it back to us for education, among other things, as long as we do as they tell us.

Jandurin

Mmmmkay.

Guess I'm too old a geezer to get it.

Are you showing me a pic of yourself in hopes of getting a date?

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Interesting read. Now excuse me as I make myself a healthy pepperoni and extra cheese pizza salad. ;) MMMMMMMMMMMMM
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#237 lilnazar
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How can pizza be a vegetable if theres meat in it? Retarded.

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#238 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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How can pizza be a vegetable if theres meat in it? Retarded.

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your post is worse than congress' decision
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#239 The-Apostle
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Big f'ing :lol: at Congress. >_>
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#240 mlbslugger86
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Where do they grow pizzas? I want to plant one such tree in my backyardSandulf29

seriously, it would save me some money, where do we get some seeds?:P

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#241 Serraph105
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The federal govt confiscates taxes from the people of my state, then ransoms SOME of it back to us for education, among other things, as long as we do as they tell us.

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so, like, do you read what you type or do you just drift in and out?

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#242 branketra
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Is this a satire of Congress?
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#243 soulless4now
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I prefer my pizzas without veggies. D:

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#244 sukraj
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Best goddamn vegetable known to man.

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love me some pizza man.

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#245 speedfreak48t5p
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Silly americans. Pizza a vegatable? What's next, hamburgers are dairy because they come from cows? :lol:

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#246 anthonycg
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Silly americans. Pizza a vegatable? What's next, hamburgers are dairy because they come from cows? :lol:

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No but by combining pizza and dairy you create a cow. Did that on pokemon last night.

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#247 Baconbits2004
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so, like, do you read what you type or do you just drift in and out?

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Oldchool family guy

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#248 Gamingclone
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Actually, its a fruit. Tomatoes, fruit. Tomato paste, mashed fruit. Therefor, pizza is a fruit, though a considerably unheathy fruit if we are talking about school lunch pizzas.

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#249 CooperThief
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Fruit+grain+dairy product=vegetable

Seems legit.

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#250 Elraptor
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Lol, I wonder if the politicians were paid off in pizza.