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#1 shadow13702
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110106/sc_nm/us_pope_bigbang

The pope accepts the big bang theory! I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...

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I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...shadow13702

Is that dumber than not accepting it?

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I bet he has the hots for Penny too.

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Honestly I don't find this surprising.
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INB4 religious zealots condemning the pope and saying that he is really an atheist.
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I'm fairly certain that the Big Bang theory initially proposed by a Roman Catholic priest

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This is not news. Hell, the Big Bang theory was formulated by a Catholic priest. :|
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How convenient.

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It's all part of his plan to ascend to the role of Space Pope.
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I find it pretty stupid how the church will end up accepting all the advancement made on how we were created...

shadow13702

Why? The Big Bang Theory doesn't disprove any god.

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This is not news. Hell, the Big Bang theory was formulated by a Catholic priest. :|Theokhoth
Actually, now that I think about it. Wasn't it Pope John Paul the Second that initially accepted the Big Bang Theory? I think the news in this story is that Benedict is saying God started the Big Bang and that it wasn't an accident. In other words, *yawn*. This thread bores me.
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I bet he has the hots for Penny too.

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Nah, Sheldon seems more his type.
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

I bet he has the hots for Penny too.

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Nah, Sheldon seems more his type.

Disturbing.
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Is Catholicism getting more progressive with every pope or what?
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#16 cd_rom
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Is Catholicism getting more progressive with every pope or what?CRS98
I actually went to a Catholic elementary school, and they taught the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, and that the Bible isn't 100% true (that it's a bunch of stories that, when looked in a broad sense, is supposed to help guide you to living a noble life). I don't know if my school was being blasphemous at the time, but my experience with Catholicism is that it's not nearly as fundamentalist as people like to claim. It is very traditionalist in its customs though.
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[QUOTE="CRS98"]Is Catholicism getting more progressive with every pope or what?cd_rom
I actually went to a Catholic elementary school, and they taught the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, and that the Bible isn't 100% true (that it's a bunch of stories that, when looked in a broad sense, is supposed to help guide you to living a noble life). I don't know if my school was being blasphemous at the time, but my experience with Catholicism is that it's not nearly as fundamentalist as people like to claim. It is very traditionalist in its customs though.

This is pretty much Catholicism in general. Catholics really haven't been all that anti-science in the past couple centuries, and they've had a fairly liberal view of the Bible for a long time; but the Church is extremely strict in matters of tradition.
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yet another reason to not be a Catholic
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Didn't see that one coming.
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Pretty sure many catholic religious figures have accepted big bang theory for quite a while now.
yet another reason to not be a CatholicSilenthps
And yes ignoring the scientific truths of the world is a much more appropriate course of action. Time to get with the times. The Big Bang and Evolution are the most likely explanations about how the universe and life originated. It's probably time to accept them.
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#23 cd_rom
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[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yet another reason to not be a CatholicSilenthps

Haha. Why would this be a reason not to be Catholic?

because the pope rejects science in favor of atheistic fairy tales.

Normally I don't find myself defending any form of religious institution, but what? The article states that the Pope accepts the Big Bang Theory and that God created the Big Bang instead of it being a random accident. In other words, he's accepted science and rejected "atheistic fairy tales" at the same time.
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Pretty sure many catholic religious figures have accepted big bang theory for quite a while now. [QUOTE="Silenthps"]yet another reason to not be a Catholicferrari2001
And yes ignoring the scientific truths of the world is a much more appropriate course of action. Time to get with the times. The Big Bang and Evolution are the most likely explanations about how the universe and life originated. It's probably time to accept them.

It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world 10,000> years ago. It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened." It's backwards from the start and no christian should support such nonsense

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The big bang theory doesn't disprove christianity or anything. Nothing wrong with accepting it.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]This is not news. Hell, the Big Bang theory was formulated by a Catholic priest. :|cd_rom
Actually, now that I think about it. Wasn't it Pope John Paul the Second that initially accepted the Big Bang Theory? I think the news in this story is that Benedict is saying God started the Big Bang and that it wasn't an accident. In other words, *yawn*. This thread bores me.

No no it'll get better wait for the religious users that are going to pop up and start a mad debate and possibly some flaming, trolling, and account bannin if we are luck It's like the pre show to the roman colosseum back in the day, just wait for the lions to tear apart the gladiators
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Pretty sure many catholic religious figures have accepted big bang theory for quite a while now. [QUOTE="Silenthps"]yet another reason to not be a CatholicSilenthps
And yes ignoring the scientific truths of the world is a much more appropriate course of action. Time to get with the times. The Big Bang and Evolution are the most likely explanations about how the universe and life originated. It's probably time to accept them.

It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world

umm no? The Big Bang theory was theorized by a priest (who happened to believe God created the universe) that says that God acted through that event. Same can be said of evolution. God used the natural physical advancement of species on earth, which led to the current level of evolutionary process that we have today. Neither theory makes mention of a lack of God in them. In fact it doesn't say one way or the other. It's one thing to reject teachings contrary to God, but rejecting scientific theories that provide the best explanation of the world is just idiotic at best.
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looks like the church is loosening up

it still doesnt disprove that god didnt create the big bang or discredit them though

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It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world Silenthps
You are ignoring scientific truths while at the same time bashing people for ignoring scientific truths. I love Christian hypocrisy!
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] And yes ignoring the scientific truths of the world is a much more appropriate course of action. Time to get with the times. The Big Bang and Evolution are the most likely explanations about how the universe and life originated. It's probably time to accept them.

It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world

umm no? The Big Bang theory was theorized by a priest (who happened to believe God created the universe) that says that God acted through that event. Same can be said of evolution. God used the natural physical advancement of species on earth, which led to the current level of evolutionary process that we have today. Neither theory makes mention of a lack of God in them. In fact it doesn't say one way or the other. It's one thing to reject teachings contrary to God, but rejecting scientific theories that provide the best explanation of the world is just idiotic at best.

woops, it cut off the rest of my post after world since i used the less-than sign, I re-edited it.
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[QUOTE="cd_rom"][QUOTE="CRS98"]Is Catholicism getting more progressive with every pope or what?Theokhoth
I actually went to a Catholic elementary school, and they taught the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, and that the Bible isn't 100% true (that it's a bunch of stories that, when looked in a broad sense, is supposed to help guide you to living a noble life). I don't know if my school was being blasphemous at the time, but my experience with Catholicism is that it's not nearly as fundamentalist as people like to claim. It is very traditionalist in its customs though.

This is pretty much Catholicism in general. Catholics really haven't been all that anti-science in the past couple centuries, and they've had a fairly liberal view of the Bible for a long time; but the Church is extremely strict in matters of tradition.

Ah, thank you two for this information. I'm just too used to the Protestant point of view. I usually find it... anti-intellectual.
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world

umm no? The Big Bang theory was theorized by a priest (who happened to believe God created the universe) that says that God acted through that event. Same can be said of evolution. God used the natural physical advancement of species on earth, which led to the current level of evolutionary process that we have today. Neither theory makes mention of a lack of God in them. In fact it doesn't say one way or the other. It's one thing to reject teachings contrary to God, but rejecting scientific theories that provide the best explanation of the world is just idiotic at best.

woops, it cut off the rest of my post after world since i used the less-than sign, I re-edited it.

Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity.
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[QUOTE="cd_rom"][QUOTE="CRS98"]Is Catholicism getting more progressive with every pope or what?Theokhoth
I actually went to a Catholic elementary school, and they taught the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, and that the Bible isn't 100% true (that it's a bunch of stories that, when looked in a broad sense, is supposed to help guide you to living a noble life). I don't know if my school was being blasphemous at the time, but my experience with Catholicism is that it's not nearly as fundamentalist as people like to claim. It is very traditionalist in its customs though.

This is pretty much Catholicism in general. Catholics really haven't been all that anti-science in the past couple centuries, and they've had a fairly liberal view of the Bible for a long time; but the Church is extremely strict in matters of tradition.

this is true about Catholics

my dad is Christian though and when i go to his church quite a few refuse to believe the Big Bang theory

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] umm no? The Big Bang theory was theorized by a priest (who happened to believe God created the universe) that says that God acted through that event. Same can be said of evolution. God used the natural physical advancement of species on earth, which led to the current level of evolutionary process that we have today. Neither theory makes mention of a lack of God in them. In fact it doesn't say one way or the other. It's one thing to reject teachings contrary to God, but rejecting scientific theories that provide the best explanation of the world is just idiotic at best.

woops, it cut off the rest of my post after world since i used the less-than sign, I re-edited it.

Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity.

The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened."

thegerg

No, "it" doesn't.

ps-WTF do you mean by "it"?

I guess it should be "they" as in the big bang and evolution theories. And yes they do.
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It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world 10,000> years ago. It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened." It's backwards from the start and no christian should support such nonsense

Silenthps

*sigh* That's completely untrue. If you look at the people who originally opposed the big bang theory, it was atheists who were disturbed by the supposed implications of the universe having a beginning (i.e. the cosmological argument).

Now I have to ask a question; how do you scientifically justify the concept of the universe having a beginning while simulatneously rejecting the big bang theory?

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[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]yet another reason to not be a CatholicSilenthps

Haha. Why would this be a reason not to be Catholic?

because the pope rejects science in favor of atheistic fairy tales.

As opposed to a bearded man in the sky who created everything in seven days, gave us free will only to drown most of us for not believing in him and who helps baseball players win matches instead helping starving people in third world countries?

EDIT: Six days*

He needs a nap after all that hard work.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]woops, it cut off the rest of my post after world since i used the less-than sign, I re-edited it. Silenthps
Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity.

The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.

Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense.
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Good for him, I actually quite pleased that the church is accepting well established science. I don't mind if they want to believe that God was the grand designer or anything like that, that's just their interpretation, as long as they don't try to contradict science.

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The Catholic Church is becoming more and more liberal on its teachings (i.e accepting evolution and accepting the use of condoms in extreme circumstances) which is a surprising to me as I initially thought that Benedict XIV wanted Europe to return to conservative Catholicism.

I guess it's good that I have been proved wrong on this point.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity.

The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.

Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense.

What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth.
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The Catholic Church is becoming more and more liberal on its teachings (i.e accepting evolution and accepting the use of condoms in extreme circumstances) which is a surprising to me as I initiallythought that Benedict XIVwanted Europe to return to conservative Catholicism.

Vesica_Prime
He wants to return to the practice of faith within the Catholic Church, bring more respect and belief in it's teachings and the sacraments. Defending long held teachings of the Church and advancing scientific knowledge only helps to strengthen this effort.
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.

Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense.

What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth.

Maybe it took him that long to finish making things.
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[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity. ferrari2001
The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.

Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense.

this may be a bit off topic but, if its the catholics who are ready to accept some scientific facts and still keep there faith in god...is it the Protestants who keep to the bible literally? because i had always thaught it was the other way round and catholics kept to the bible as near word for word fact and protestants were a little more lax.

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[QUOTE="Silenthps"]It's not ignoring scientific truths. The Big Bang and Evolution are theories based upon the presupposition that God didn't create the world 10,000> years ago. It basically starts out by saying "well since the Bible is wrong, lets find out what really happened." It's backwards from the start and no christian should support such nonsense

-Sun_Tzu-

*sigh* That's completely untrue. If you look at the people who originally opposed the big bang theory, it was atheists who were disturbed by the supposed implications of the universe having a beginning (i.e. the cosmological argument).

Now I have to ask a question; how do you scientifically justify the concept of the universe having a beginning while simulatneously rejecting the big bang theory?

By scientifically saying that God created the world less than 10,000 years ago. The difference between my theory and yours is that mine has actually been observed and recorded down in a book.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]woops, it cut off the rest of my post after world since i used the less-than sign, I re-edited it. Silenthps
Well considering the universe was created almost 13 billion years ago and the planet earth millions and millions of years ago your re-edited post still does not contain any validity.

The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad.

people like you are why I generally hate the uber religeous. it's not enough to say "With all due respect I disagree". no no no, you gotta point a finger and say that we're wrong, and you are beyond the shadow of a doubt right.

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] The big bang/evolution doesn't provide the best explanation of the world. It provides an atheist an incredibly flawed and anti-scientific explanation of the world. Christians already have an explanation of the world thats actually factual, aka that God created it in 6 days. The fact that supposed christians are now rejecting the true explanation of the world for a really bad one is quite sad. Silenthps
Well you've managed to say God created the world. Now explain to me how he did it. Why is it so hard to believe God used The Big Bang and Evolution as His methods in creating the universe. Why does God creating the universe have to instantly mean things just poof into existence. If anything that explanation is the most flawed and gives christianity a bad name. And again back to my point about how it's idiotic at best to believe such nonsense.

What makes saying He poof'd things into existence any more "idiotic" than saying He "banged" things into existence? It seems more idiotic for him to wait 13billion years to finally have human beings on the earth.

Except for all the evidence that says the universe is billions of years old....