Question to my fellow Muslims.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. m25105

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"] [QUOTE="paratheos"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Because he was brought up to.

Ilovegames1992

So you converted then?

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]read two posts up and see the ignorance this kind of thread evokes

Zaibach

I would ask you about the 5 pillars of islam, but you would just google it anyways:P

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Don't pretend to know anything about me or my personal life, please.

m25105

So you converted then?

Fair enough. So what were you before you reverted back to Islam?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]I understand what you're asking. You want to know why some people hold theHadith so highly even if it contradicts what is said in the Qu'ran.I want to know why you listen to any of it.

m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

So you converted then?

Ilovegames1992

Fair enough. So what were you before you reverted back to Islam?

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

m25105

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Actually, i'm not even going to agree that they are ignorant. Just because you can't argue you against it, don't just claim ignorance.

Ilovegames1992

Oh I can argue against it but it would require that both parties know about islam beyond what they see on the news and what is filtered through the extremists.

Until then we cant have any real dialougue.

So pointing out the bad stuff of something=not knowing it?

Hmm.

clearly there are bad stuff that happens in all religions, Not all christians are pedophiles and not all islamic teachings are about abhorent violence.

This thread is taking a small minority of the extreme cases extrapolating it and making it to be the whole truth of what islam is.

its just like hearing one sterotype and running with it.

I didn't say that...

Fuk you glitchspot.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]I understand what you're asking. You want to know why some people hold theHadith so highly even if it contradicts what is said in the Qu'ran.I want to know why you listen to any of it.

RationalAtheist

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Cause I'm a Muslim. Not everyone on the internet is an atheist.m25105

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"] Everything is ignorant in the eyes of Muslims and Christians when it paints their religion in a negative light, no matter if it's true.

ColdExistence

I would ask you about the 5 pillars of islam, but you would just google it anyways:P

Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianity, the rules about women is different from place to place. some are relaxed and others are too overzealous

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Cause I'm a Muslim. Not everyone on the internet is an atheist.m25105

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Cause I'm a Muslim. Not everyone on the internet is an atheist.toast_burner

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

[/QUOTEI agree with TB, Cutting off somones genetal for cheating is f***ed up

This thread has become pointless, it was about how the Quran should always be looked to first instead of the Hadiths and has turned into the usual "Lol, religion is bad, you're indoctrinated." and what not. m25105

Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianityZaibach

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianitycheese_game619

^^

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]what do you know about islam?

I would ask you about the 5 pillars of islam, but you would just google it anyways:P

Zaibach

Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianity, the rules about women is different from place to place. some are relaxed and others are too overzealous

By the way, don't use Christianity as an example to defend Islam. It's like trying to defend a horrible act with another horrible act. No sense makey.

It's all about defintions. There have been cases of women who cut of their husbands penis if they discovered they had cheated on them. Flogging might sound inhumane, but if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.

m25105

See? You don't seem to think there's anything wrong with violence here at all.

This shows the inexcusable chasm between the constructs of a progressive society and vengeful Islamic morals.

Topic is officially derailed.GazaAli

Was there really any serious expectation of debate about whether it be better to flog than stonefor adultery?

...if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.m25105

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Topic is officially derailed.RationalAtheist

Was there really any serious expectation of debate about whether it be better to flog than stonefor adultery?

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"] What I do know, either from simple observation or reading a few segments of the Quran, is that Islam encourages extremely violent punishments for petty crimes, and restricts the rights of women, as if they're less than human. For me, that's enough to avoid the religion, all together.

ColdExistence

Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianity, the rules about women is different from place to place. some are relaxed and others are too overzealous

By the way, don't use Christianity as an example to defend Islam. It's like trying to defend a horrible act with another horrible act. No sense makey.

[QUOTE="m25105"]...if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.paratheos

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Cause I'm a Muslim. Not everyone on the internet is an atheist.m25105

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

You cretin.

[QUOTE="paratheos"][QUOTE="m25105"]...if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="paratheos"]Your brain is broken but I think a predator missile might fix it.paratheos

Topic is officially derailed.GazaAli

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

I don't think you're over-intellectualising Islam and it's not going over my head.

You subscribe to prophetic inerrancy - just like many other religions do as well. This inevitably leads to all sorts of difficulty relating supposed "inerrancy" to reason and justification. This has already happened within Christianity (evangelicals, traditionalists, Catholics, etc) and exists within versions of Islam too.

Your difficulties seem to lie in justifying prophetic inerrancy with differing scholastic interpretations of it. I think you miss the whole point in ignoring the abject and inhumane cruelty of any Islamic solutions for adultery.

Ilovegames1992

You cretin.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]you've made observations and read some segments of the Qur'an ? wow, back up people ! Islamic scholar in the house!

Islam is no more restrictive of women than christianity, the rules about women is different from place to place. some are relaxed and others are too overzealous

Zaibach

By the way, don't use Christianity as an example to defend Islam. It's like trying to defend a horrible act with another horrible act. No sense makey.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] It's all about defintions. There have been cases of women who cut of their husbands penis if they discovered they had cheated on them. Flogging might sound inhumane, but if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.m25105

You cretin.

Cretin:

1. a person suffering from cretinism

2.a stupid, obtuse and mentally defective person.

Your statement was very cretinous

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You cretin.

Ilovegames1992

Cretin:

1. a person suffering from cretinism

2.a stupid, obtuse and mentally defective person.

Your statement was very cretinous

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You cretin.

Ilovegames1992

Cretin:

1. a person suffering from cretinism

2.a stupid, obtuse and mentally defective person.

Your statement was very cretinous

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] It's all about defintions. There have been cases of women who cut of their husbands penis if they discovered they had cheated on them. Flogging might sound inhumane, but if you get whipped 80's times. You're sure as hell, gonna think twice about cheating on your spouse.m25105

You cretin.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] I'm mentally sound and not deformed, so no. m25105

Cretin:

1. a person suffering from cretinism

2.a stupid, obtuse and mentally defective person.

Your statement was very cretinous

Hmm no. Just that statement was retarded and made you look a ming-mong.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

LJS9502_basic

I'd agree but i'm sure there's some sh!t in there.

Also, doesn't Jesus go crazy and rage out when he enters that temple full of sin? He's like flipping over tables and sh!t.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

LJS9502_basic

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

Ilovegames1992

I, too, would commit adultery with her.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

Ilovegames1992

I'd agree but i'm sure there's some sh!t in there.

Also, doesn't Jesus go crazy and rage out when he enters that temple full of sin? He's like flipping over tables and sh!t.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

Ilovegames1992

I'd agree but i'm sure there's some sh!t in there.

Also, doesn't Jesus go crazy and rage out when he enters that temple full of sin? He's like flipping over tables and sh!t.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

And have you ever wondered that if it truly is the word of God? If so many humans can find flaws in this book, then perhaps it isn't the word of God. Maybe God told the authors of the Holy books what to write, but the authors instead twisted the word of God to use it as a means of gaining power over the people. If God is supposed to be loving and just, do you honestly think God would support the atrocities of Islam and Christianity? Or maybe God brought religion to this world to test humans. To see if they could seperate what's right and what's wrong, until one day, they may not need the teachings of Islam, Christanity, Judaism or anything else because they have the power to have a far greater moral system than the one found in religions.

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Here we go again. Always bringing Christianity into discussions. Where in the NT....the book from which Christianity sprang...is there any mention that using violence is the answer? It's actually the opposite....and you'd know that if you understood the religion. But you don't....so you speak as a fool.

ColdExistence

I'd agree but i'm sure there's some sh!t in there.

Also, doesn't Jesus go crazy and rage out when he enters that temple full of sin? He's like flipping over tables and sh!t.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Here we go again. Always bringing Christianity into discussions. Where in the NT....the book from which Christianity sprang...is there any mention that using violence is the answer? It's actually the opposite....and you'd know that if you understood the religion. But you don't....so you speak as a fool.

LJS9502_basic

I'd agree but i'm sure there's some sh!t in there.

Also, doesn't Jesus go crazy and rage out when he enters that temple full of sin? He's like flipping over tables and sh!t.

Still, the big J was boss but you lead by example.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Here we go again. Always bringing Christianity into discussions. Where in the NT....the book from which Christianity sprang...is there any mention that using violence is the answer? It's actually the opposite....and you'd know that if you understood the religion. But you don't....so you speak as a fool.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Topic is officially derailed.RationalAtheist

Was there really any serious expectation of debate about whether it be better to flog than stonefor adultery?

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

You cretin.

toast_burner