Question to my fellow Muslims.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] She won't. It's called confidence that I'm secure enough to know that my wife, won't ever have a reason to cheat on me. Also there's something called forgiveness. m25105

The odds are against you

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Thats the problem with religion in a nutshell.

At the end of the day, its down to one person or an elite group's discretion. In a perfect world, people would follow the peaceful sentiments, but to be honest, the Pope tells Catholics to bomb abortion clinics, they would.

One person has more power than the basis of the religion.

Ilovegames1992

I used the Pope as a blanket term for religious leaders.

I honestly think they weild so much power and its all up to their discretion.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The pope doesn't....and I don't think that's true of today. Otherwise people wouldn't be doing what the church says they shouldn't. If you can't follow the teaching on waiting until marriage for sex then I don't think something so major as murder can be orchestrated.LJS9502_basic

I used the Pope as a blanket term for religious leaders.

I honestly think they weild so much power and its all up to their discretion.

Even fundamentalists?

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Most married couples get divorced, how many of them do you think thought that they would have been together till death do them part? (HINT: The majority of them)

The odds are against you

toast_burner

All religon is bad.

"Religon- Holding back human civilization for 7000 years."

Whats the first thing it says in the Quran?

"This is a complete book. We didn't leave anything out, we didn't forget anything."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand Hadith = bs added afterwards

Everything else, dress code, how to pray etc, we can figure these things out for ourselves based on the spirit of the law and common sense.

What brain surgeon decided it made sense for women to walk around with head-to-foot tablecloth?

Are you dumb? Seriously, are you?

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not terrible at debating. Those that say that are those that haven't got two brain cells to rub together. That idea started from a couple butt hurt individuals that couldn't debate without their argument getting shredded. And to save one's pride it's easy to make ill informed posts and then assume the person providing a counterpoint is not able to do so. I guess your e-peen is at stake her.What was implied was that Jesus knew not everyone would accept him and it would divide families. Period. If you cannot read the entire scripture.....and only half ass what it says to suit your agenda then you are, in fact, ignorant of the message stated. He does mention division of families right after your text. But if you don't quote mine the Bible then you might not be able to present something.As for evil bible.....yay let's all go to a biased source that quote mines and lifts things out of context to brainwash people....somewhat like you seem to be and now I know why you don't understand the bible.LJS9502_basic

Whats the first thing it says in the Quran?

"This is a complete book. We didn't leave anything out, we didn't forget anything."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand Hadith = bs added afterwards

Everything else, dress code, how to pray etc, we can figure these things out for ourselves based on the spirit of the law and common sense.

What brain surgeon decided it made sense for women to walk around with head-to-foot tablecloth?

Are you dumb? Seriously, are you?

LazySloth718

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I used the Pope as a blanket term for religious leaders.

I honestly think they weild so much power and its all up to their discretion.

Ilovegames1992

Even fundamentalists?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]Oh, I'm the brainwashed one. That's rich! ColdExistence

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What do you think the goal of evilbible is? And you bought it. Hook, line, and sinker. Brainwashed indeed.LJS9502_basic

Whats the first thing it says in the Quran?

"This is a complete book. We didn't leave anything out, we didn't forget anything."

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand Hadith = bs added afterwards

Everything else, dress code, how to pray etc, we can figure these things out for ourselves based on the spirit of the law and common sense.

What brain surgeon decided it made sense for women to walk around with head-to-foot tablecloth?

Are you dumb? Seriously, are you?

LazySloth718

Did you know a few years ago archaeologists may have found a missing page of the Bible? It's believed to have been the first page of the book and it reads:

"To my darling Candy. All characters portayed within this book are purely fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"] I gave you the link so you can see the quotes. I don't care about the personal opinions displayed on that site. There are websites all over the place that post Bible quotes, but they usually don't have a "horrible Bible quotes" section. I come to my own conclusions. Not because of some stupid Atheist documentary or an Atheist speaker like Richard Dawkins. Is that really hard to believe?

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Most married couples in the west. The world doesn't revolve around western culture.m25105

India isn't exactly a shining beacon of human rights

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I've seen that site before. And it's quote mining, ignorance, an agenda, and preaching their ideology...one which you apparently agree with....meaning it didn't it's number on you.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You're right, other cultures just flog and kill their wives instead. :roll:

toast_burner

India isn't exactly a shining beacon of human rights

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You're right, other cultures just flog and kill their wives instead. :roll:

toast_burner

India isn't exactly a shining beacon of human rights

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You're right, other cultures just flog and kill their wives instead. :roll:

toast_burner

India isn't exactly a shining beacon of human rights

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]You're right, other cultures just flog and kill their wives instead. :roll:

toast_burner

India isn't exactly a shining beacon of human rights

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]Prior to finding it on Google just now, I didn't even know it existed, you twit. Also, you're not one to talk about the brainwashed, considering you are yourself. Deeply, I might add.

ColdExistence

Stoning or flogging?

Decisions, decisions!

RationalAtheist

LOL

Islam is bad blah blahparatheos

Putting aside the fact that you got this from Urban Dictionary, you went on to tar everyone with the same brush. This is the only time I will EVER pay attention to you. Ever.

Oh, and TC, it does concern me that you avoided the main issue people have (which was highlighted in RA's post, the one I quoted); it's just not acceptable to punish adultery with violence or numerous other crimes with violence. This also has nothing to do with the fact that you're muslim either. Just failing to address the issue, s'all.

At the end of the day, its down to one person or an elite group's discretion. In a perfect world, people would follow the peaceful sentiments, but to be honest, the Pope tells Catholics to bomb abortion clinics, they would.

One person has more power than the basis of the religion.

Ilovegames1992

Agreed.

In addition, the brainwashing that typically leads to bad acts isn't done by the book but by other people. A lot of wars in history were over resources and religion played a small part in it. I don't think it's really the issue. If religion was gone, there would be fewer wars... in the short term. As the absence of religion brings forth the absence of both religious fundamentalists and militant atheists, humanity would be much more bearable.

I still have my own issues with Islam.

In addition, the brainwashing that typically leads to bad acts isn't done by the book but by other people. A lot of wars in history were over resources and religion played a small part in it. I don't think it's really the issue. If religion was gone, there would be fewer wars... in the short term. As the absence of religion brings forth the absence of both religious fundamentalists and militant atheists, humanity would be much more bearable.

I still have my own issues with Islam.

Spitfirer

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Most married couples get divorced, how many of them do you think thought that they would have been together till death do them part? (HINT: The majority of them)

The odds are against you

toast_burner

I am not to talk, but listening to the Quran is really something amazing. I feel sad for anyone who does not know Arabic, because listening to the Quran has just a very beautiful feeling. I cannot explain this. I am not a very good Muslim to begin with, but a very bad one. That said aside, I just want to say that listening to the Quran really is amazing.

Most people read the Quran like they read the Bible. I as an Arab, is fascinated by those who can read the Quran beautifully and when I listen to them it shakes me to the core. People cry when listening to it, and some have memorized the entire book.

The pre Islamic Arabs called it Magic. It is not music, not poetry, its something else. I can help it but feel amazed and facinated by the feeling it brings to my heart.

I am not to talk, but listening to the Quran is really something amazing. I feel sad for anyone who does not know Arabic, because listening to the Quran has just a very beautiful feeling. I cannot explain this. I am not a very good Muslim to begin with, but a very bad one. That said aside, I just want to say that listening to the Quran really is amazing.

Most people read the Quran like they read the Bible. I as an Arab, is fascinated by those who can read the Quran beautifully and when I listen to them it shakes me to the core. People cry when listening to it, and some have memorized the entire book.

The pre Islamic Arabs called it Magic. It is not music, not poetry, its something else. I can help it but feel amazed and facinated by the feeling it brings to my heart.

TehFuneral

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Most married couples in the west. The world doesn't revolve around western culture.paratheos

And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

I am not to talk, but listening to the Quran is really something amazing. I feel sad for anyone who does not know Arabic, because listening to the Quran has just a very beautiful feeling. I cannot explain this. I am not a very good Muslim to begin with, but a very bad one. That said aside, I just want to say that listening to the Quran really is amazing.

Most people read the Quran like they read the Bible. I as an Arab, is fascinated by those who can read the Quran beautifully and when I listen to them it shakes me to the core. People cry when listening to it, and some have memorized the entire book.

The pre Islamic Arabs called it Magic. It is not music, not poetry, its something else. I can help it but feel amazed and facinated by the feeling it brings to my heart.

TehFuneral

I am not to talk, but listening to the Quran is really something amazing. I feel sad for anyone who does not know Arabic, because listening to the Quran has just a very beautiful feeling. I cannot explain this. I am not a very good Muslim to begin with, but a very bad one. That said aside, I just want to say that listening to the Quran really is amazing.

Most people read the Quran like they read the Bible. I as an Arab, is fascinated by those who can read the Quran beautifully and when I listen to them it shakes me to the core. People cry when listening to it, and some have memorized the entire book.

The pre Islamic Arabs called it Magic. It is not music, not poetry, its something else. I can help it but feel amazed and facinated by the feeling it brings to my heart.

TehFuneral

I get the same feeling when i listen to 2112.

And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.m25105

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[QUOTE="paratheos"]Islam is bad blah blahSpitfirer

I get the same feeling when i listen to 2112Ilovegames1992

Great album, but I don't think much of the title track. I think the following songs are what make the album, especially Tears

And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

And if a woman fears from her husband contempt or evasion, there is no sin upon them if they make terms of settlement between them - and settlement is best. And present in [human] souls is stinginess. But if you do good and fear Allah - then indeed Allah is ever, with what you do, Acquainted.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]I get the same feeling when i listen to 2112Just-Breathe

Great album, but I don't think much of the title track. I think the following songs are what make the album, especially Tears

Outside. Now!

:evil:

I am not to talk, but listening to the Quran is really something amazing. I feel sad for anyone who does not know Arabic, because listening to the Quran has just a very beautiful feeling. I cannot explain this. I am not a very good Muslim to begin with, but a very bad one. That said aside, I just want to say that listening to the Quran really is amazing.

Most people read the Quran like they read the Bible. I as an Arab, is fascinated by those who can read the Quran beautifully and when I listen to them it shakes me to the core. People cry when listening to it, and some have memorized the entire book.

The pre Islamic Arabs called it Magic. It is not music, not poetry, its something else. I can help it but feel amazed and facinated by the feeling it brings to my heart.

TehFuneral

If it brings you joy then thats fine, just don't start flogging your wive like OP here wants you to ;)

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So only if she can provide fear can she divorce?LJS9502_basic

This thread has derailed beyond belief.

And paratheos,go f#ck yourself.Thanks.

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

Spitfirer

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

[QUOTE="paratheos"]Don't forget that in Islam, women aren't allowed to divorce their husbands. Only the husband can divorce his wife. m25105

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

Spitfirer

But at the same time God has also given us allowance to divorce from our spouses if the marriage is fruitless. If a person feels they're stuck in a dead end marriage and not happy, they should at least divorce their partner rather than emotionally hurt her, by cheating on her with someone they love more, before divorcing her. Does it sound cruel to many, it probably is. But is not also cruel to cheat on your wife that has remained loyal to you, born your children for another woman, just cause you find her more attractive. Cheating, doesn't mean you automatically love the person you're cheating with. It can be born out of simple lust too.

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

Ilovegames1992

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="paratheos"]Don't forget that in Islam, women aren't allowed to divorce their husbands. Only the husband can divorce his wife. paratheos

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

m25105

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

I don't think so.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Spitfirer"]

TC, I'm still concerned that you think it's okay to punish abuse and adultery with cruel violence. Sorry, but no amount of intimidation will go against human nature. It's not going to do a lot to act as a deterrent. If one partner falls in love with someone and really wants to spend more time with them than their spouse, they'd try to find a way to hide their relationship. How is flogging a deterrent?

m25105

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

Ilovegames1992

I don't think so.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Yeah but you don't know him as a person so.....

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="m25105"] Weren't you the same person who wished that I got aids in some other thread? m25105

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Weren't you the same person who wished that I got aids in some other thread? m25105

I don't think so.

I need context. Were you being a kunt?

If i'm a sad human being and YOU are the one that supports enslaving wives and flogging them if they step out of line then what are you?