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#251 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's rather broad. I don't tolerate actions that hurt others.....but that's not exactly the same as being intolerant of people that are different or think differently now is it?LJS9502_basic

So you won't tolerate violence, except when other people think its ok do it.

Thinking is not doing.

Tolerance is not universal

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[QUOTE="m25105"]You both are pretty sad individuals and you'll eventually outgrow that negative thing you got going and look back and think "Was I really like that?"coolbeans90

In old age I can only see myself becoming increasing intolerant towards most viewpoints that differ from my own, let alone something as categorically f*cked up as stoning/flogging women. That's dark age sh!t, man.

Yea because electrocution /firing squad/hanging/lethal injection/gas injection are not dark age sh!t? And it's not just women that get flogged/stoned. It rarely happens, and when it does, western media makes a big deal out of it even though American drones are killing Muslims by the dozens everyday. And it isn't just men that die in these strikes. You people need to stop with this f***king hypocrisy.
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#253 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"] I am a happy individual, and I'm never going to look back at this in shame. ColdExistence

Being intolerant should always shame the individual....

I am not intolerant. You don't see me destroying Mosques and Churches, or killing people for believing in it, nor would I ever want to. I'm just here to say what I think of religion. Yes, I'm not nice about it. I don't try to hold back what I feel. I say it how I think it is. Nothing more. If you want to listen to what I have to say, and if you want to agree with what I say, it's up to you.

You're intolerant of other beliefs/opinions. I don't agree with the Muslim religion...but I'm not intolerant of their right to follow it. There is a difference.
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#254 nedim100
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I dont find being intolerant of misogyny, intolerance and pro-stoning/flogging shameful.

In honesty.

Ilovegames1992

Has he done any of that?

Did you read the thread?

In fact, just by being a Muslim he subscribes to it..

Youre one ignorant motherf#cker

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#256 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]You both are pretty sad individuals and you'll eventually outgrow that negative thing you got going and look back and think "Was I really like that?"dangamit

In old age I can only see myself becoming increasing intolerant towards most viewpoints that differ from my own, let alone something as categorically f*cked up as stoning/flogging women. That's dark age sh!t, man.

Yea because electrocution /firing squad/hanging/lethal injection/gas injection are not dark age sh!t? And it's not just women that get flogged/stoned. It rarely happens, and when it does, western media makes a big deal out of it even though American drones are killing Muslims by the dozens everyday. And it isn't just men that die in these strikes. You people need to stop with this f***king hypocrisy.

Its not hypocrisy, nobody is defending any of that stuff i dont think. Only the staunchest of patriotic Americans would.

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#257 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

So you won't tolerate violence, except when other people think its ok do it.

RationalAtheist

Thinking is not doing.

Tolerance is not univeral

That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.
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#258 ColdExistence
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[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Being intolerant should always shame the individual....LJS9502_basic

I am not intolerant. You don't see me destroying Mosques and Churches, or killing people for believing in it, nor would I ever want to. I'm just here to say what I think of religion. Yes, I'm not nice about it. I don't try to hold back what I feel. I say it how I think it is. Nothing more. If you want to listen to what I have to say, and if you want to agree with what I say, it's up to you.

You're intolerant of other beliefs/opinions. I don't agree with the Muslim religion...but I'm not intolerant of their right to follow it. There is a difference.

What am I even reading? I am not against the right of someone to follow the religion.

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#259 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Has he done any of that?nedim100

Did you read the thread?

In fact, just by being a Muslim he subscribes to it..

Youre one ignorant motherf#cker

Because i dont like the negatives of Islam.

Fine. Ignorance is fuking bliss.

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#260 RationalAtheist
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That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.

LJS9502_basic

Threatening to stone someone, or giving them 80 lashes instead is hardly aspiring to live and let live.

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#261 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]I am not intolerant. You don't see me destroying Mosques and Churches, or killing people for believing in it, nor would I ever want to. I'm just here to say what I think of religion. Yes, I'm not nice about it. I don't try to hold back what I feel. I say it how I think it is. Nothing more. If you want to listen to what I have to say, and if you want to agree with what I say, it's up to you.

ColdExistence

You're intolerant of other beliefs/opinions. I don't agree with the Muslim religion...but I'm not intolerant of their right to follow it. There is a difference.

What am I even reading?

Something above your head apparently....
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#262 ColdExistence
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[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You're intolerant of other beliefs/opinions. I don't agree with the Muslim religion...but I'm not intolerant of their right to follow it. There is a difference.LJS9502_basic

What am I even reading?

Something above your head apparently....

I edited my post. You say very stupid things, you know that?
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#263 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.

RationalAtheist

Threatening to stone someone, or giving them 80 lashes instead is hardly aspiring to live and let live.

I believe he was against the stoning from the start. But again AFAIK he has not stoned nor flogged anyone.
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#264 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"]What am I even reading?

ColdExistence

Something above your head apparently....

I edited my post. You say very stupid things, you know that?

No I don't. You are the fool in this thread. You are intolerant and either aren't intelligent enough to know it....or you're too stupid to admit it to yourself.

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#265 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.

LJS9502_basic

Threatening to stone someone, or giving them 80 lashes instead is hardly aspiring to live and let live.

I believe he was against the stoning from the start. But again AFAIK he has not stoned nor flogged anyone.

Who is he, and why has he just popped into our conversation? Are you talking about Muhammad here?

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#266 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

Threatening to stone someone, or giving them 80 lashes instead is hardly aspiring to live and let live.

RationalAtheist

I believe he was against the stoning from the start. But again AFAIK he has not stoned nor flogged anyone.

Who is he, and why has he just popped into our conversation? Are you talking about Muhammad here?

The TC. Aren't you blaming him for advocating stoning and flogging?
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Islam is backwards...
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#268 paratheos
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Thinking is not doing.LJS9502_basic

Tolerance is not univeral

That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.

You may say "live and let live", and another might say "kill the homosexuals". The two cannot coexist. It is an asymmetrical relationship. On ideology will have to subdue the other.
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#269 ColdExistence
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[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Something above your head apparently....LJS9502_basic

I edited my post. You say very stupid things, you know that?

No I don't. You are the fool in this thread. You are intolerant and either aren't intelligent enough to know it....or you're too stupid to admit it to yourself.

You just keep reiterating the same thing, even though I've already made it blatantly clear that I am not against the right to practice whatever religion you want. Just because someone is criticizing the religion and those who follow it doesn't mean they are intolerant. In fact, I'd argue that it is tolerance. I am using logic and reason to show people why their religion is disgusting. I am not raising a militia. I am just using words to try to show people why I think they're wrong. You don't understand the definition of intolerance.

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#270 RationalAtheist
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The TC. Aren't you blaming him for advocating stoning and flogging?LJS9502_basic

No, I blame the faith and not the followers. I thought he didn't know, himself - hence the thread.

You were saying:

Being intolerant should always shame the individual....LJS9502_basic

Have we finished bottoming that theory out yet?

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#271 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

Tolerance is not univeral

paratheos

That doesn't mean as individuals we shouldn't aspire to tolerance. Imagine how the world would be if we'd all live and let live.

You may say "live and let live", and another might say "kill the homosexuals". The two cannot coexist. It is an asymmetrical relationship. On ideology will have to subdue the other.

I DID say if we all.......hence your scenario isn't applicable. But to answer your question we do have laws against murder as a deterrent to those actions. And education tends to soften the rough edges. In fact.....Islam is quite a bit different as practiced by westernized citizens than not. So it's more cultural than religious and in time with the immigration....Islam will be softened and more westernized. Not what I imagine they seek...but it's inevitable.

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#272 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

The TC. Aren't you blaming him for advocating stoning and flogging?RationalAtheist

No, I blame the faith and not the followers. I thought he didn't know, himself - hence the thread.

You were saying:

Being intolerant should always shame the individual....LJS9502_basic

Have we finished bottoming that theory out yet?

I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.
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#273 nedim100
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[QUOTE="nedim100"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Did you read the thread?

In fact, just by being a Muslim he subscribes to it..

Ilovegames1992

Youre one ignorant motherf#cker

Because i dont like the negatives of Islam.

Fine. Ignorance is fuking bliss.

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

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#274 RationalAtheist
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I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.

LJS9502_basic

I respect peoples' right to belief, but I don't have to tolerate their violent beliefs. I do find it intollerable that you don't seem to tolerate moral discussion and seem to confuse ideas with people.

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#275 ColdExistence
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.

RationalAtheist

I respect peoples' right to belief, but I don't have to tolerate their violent beliefs. I do find it intollerable that you don't seem to tolerate moral discussion and seem to confuse ideas with people.

Exactly this.
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#276 paratheos
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No, I blame the faith and not the followers. I thought he didn't know, himself - hence the thread.

You were saying:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Being intolerant should always shame the individual....LJS9502_basic

Have we finished bottoming that theory out yet?

I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.

Should I be ashamed of being intolerant toward Nazism? I am intolerant toward any fascist ideology. Some ideologies should not be permitted to thrive and should be attacked openly. I am not ashamed of that.
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#277 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.

RationalAtheist

I respect peoples' right to belief, but I don't have to tolerate their violent beliefs. I do find it intollerable that you don't seem to tolerate moral discussion and seem to confuse ideas with people.

AFAIK the Muslims in this thread aren't beating their women. So to generalize their faith with that stereotype is intolerant. Period. You might try a self righteous way to say you're tolerant....but you aren't tolerant of any religion anyway. Not even those that don't preach stoning and flogging. I've seen enough of your posts to know that. So don't try to hide behind words now.
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Should I be ashamed of being intolerant toward Nazism? I am intolerant toward any fascist ideology. Some ideologies should not be permitted to thrive and should be attacked openly. I am not ashamed of that.paratheos
Are you confusing facism with genocide? They aren't the same thing.

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*walks into thread*

Islam is a totalitarian ideology that disguises itself as religion, to enjoy tolerance and freedom in societies Islam has seeked to destroy for centuries. Evolved from a small band of desert raiders led by a bloodthirsty, sexually challenged eccentrist called Muhammad. It is the only "religion" which makes the taboo of manslaughter relative. While all religions say, "thou shouldst not kill" Islam says, "thou shouldst not kill Muslims and innocents" leaving it to the Muslims themselves to decide who is innocent.

It is a backward agressive idology built on racism and religious discrimination, giving rights to people according to their gender and religion. It is the complete opposite of our culture that is built on human rights and the separation of law, state and church, an ideology that tolerates other ideologies only after subduing them. Since the very early years Muslims brought destruction and death to peoples who were unlucky enough to get in the Muslim's way. Historical relations with Europe are almost entirely about Europeans fighting off Muslim agression since the early IXt century right until the XIXth when the final Muslim soldier was kicked out of mainland Europe (from Turkish-occupied Bulgaria). However, Muslims like to keep quiet about their bloody history but never fail to point the fingers of the Crusades, as if they hadn't waged a continuous war against other cultures an all continents wherre Muslims set foot.

The way Muslims lie and deceive others about the nature of their ideology is unparalleled. They also seem to suffer from a collective denial of facts which prevents them from realising the dark side of their religion and doing something about it, like Protestantism did to renew Christianity. Racism, sexism, intolerance and aggression are not unknown to other cultures but only Islam justifies this things by "the will of God". It is probably worse than Fascist as not even Nazis took the streets in happy celebration after killing several thousand civilians in a country with which feeds and supports many Muslim states. Gravely misunderstood and even patronised in Europe, Islam will lead to continent-wide civil wars in about 50-60 years on the parts of the continent where was stupid enough to let this Fascist ideology thrive.

Muslims usually claim that they are not all terrorists, which equals to whitewashing Nazism (the ideology probably closest to Islam) by saying that you can't blame a whole ideology for the crimes of a few Eichmanns. The greatest allies of Islam are political correctness and tolerance, the earlier out of simple ignorance, the latter out of cowardice and fear of conflict. Islam is the enemy of our values like freedom and human rights and therefore a deadly and uncompromising enemy of our civilization as well.paratheos

:|

*walks out of thread*

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#280 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="nedim100"]

Youre one ignorant motherf#cker

nedim100

Because i dont like the negatives of Islam.

Fine. Ignorance is fuking bliss.

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

I don't talk about the Quran, or even claim to know it extensively. I just don't like some of the things they stand for. I don't dislike any religion, just the negative aspects.

Why can't people grasp that premise? :?

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#281 ColdExistence
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I still say intolerance should shame the individual. And if you are intolerant of someone's faith...as has been displayed in this thread...then yes...you should be ashamed. Actions are another thing entirely.

LJS9502_basic

I respect peoples' right to belief, but I don't have to tolerate their violent beliefs. I do find it intollerable that you don't seem to tolerate moral discussion and seem to confuse ideas with people.

AFAIK the Muslims in this thread aren't beating their women. So to generalize their faith with that stereotype is intolerant. Period. You might try a self righteous way to say you're tolerant....but you aren't tolerant of any religion anyway. Not even those that don't preach stoning and flogging. I've seen enough of your posts to know that. So don't try to hide behind words now.

Okay, so we aren't tolerant of what you believe in, but we are tolerating your right to believe in it. And if tolerance is so ****Ing important to you, don't EVER come into a religious debate, because there is not a whole lot of room for respecting beliefs that you are clearly against.

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#282 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="nedim100"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Because i dont like the negatives of Islam.

Fine. Ignorance is fuking bliss.

Ilovegames1992

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

I don't talk about the Quran, or even claim to know it extensively. I just don't like some of the things they stand for. I don't dislike any religion, just the negative aspects.

Why can't people grasp that premise? :?

I think what he's saying......and I could be wrong but considering I've dealt with this in threads about other religions...is....on a superficial level we all hear negative aspects of religion/religions and attribute it as the norm for that faith. But without actually understanding the teachings...we aren't getting at the truth...but a negative bias of it. But like I said...I could be wrong.
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[QUOTE="paratheos"]Should I be ashamed of being intolerant toward Nazism? I am intolerant toward any fascist ideology. Some ideologies should not be permitted to thrive and should be attacked openly. I am not ashamed of that.LJS9502_basic

Are you confusing facism with genocide? They aren't the same thing.

No stated exactly what I meant. I am intolerant of any stupid idea. Lies should not be given the same consideration as truth. Astrology should not be given the same treatment as Astronomy.
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#284 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

I respect peoples' right to belief, but I don't have to tolerate their violent beliefs. I do find it intollerable that you don't seem to tolerate moral discussion and seem to confuse ideas with people.

ColdExistence

AFAIK the Muslims in this thread aren't beating their women. So to generalize their faith with that stereotype is intolerant. Period. You might try a self righteous way to say you're tolerant....but you aren't tolerant of any religion anyway. Not even those that don't preach stoning and flogging. I've seen enough of your posts to know that. So don't try to hide behind words now.

Okay, so we aren't tolerant of what you believe in, but we are tolerating your right to believe in it. And if tolerance is so ****Ing important to you, don't EVER come into a religious debate, because there is not a whole lot of room for respecting beliefs that you are clearly against.

Double speak for I'm not tolerant of your faith but I'll pretend I am. If you really are tolerant of someone's faith....you don't spend time bashing it. Period.;)
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*walks into thread*

[QUOTE="paratheos"]Islam is a totalitarian ideology that disguises itself as religion, to enjoy tolerance and freedom in societies Islam has seeked to destroy for centuries. Evolved from a small band of desert raiders led by a bloodthirsty, sexually challenged eccentrist called Muhammad. It is the only "religion" which makes the taboo of manslaughter relative. While all religions say, "thou shouldst not kill" Islam says, "thou shouldst not kill Muslims and innocents" leaving it to the Muslims themselves to decide who is innocent.

It is a backward agressive idology built on racism and religious discrimination, giving rights to people according to their gender and religion. It is the complete opposite of our culture that is built on human rights and the separation of law, state and church, an ideology that tolerates other ideologies only after subduing them. Since the very early years Muslims brought destruction and death to peoples who were unlucky enough to get in the Muslim's way. Historical relations with Europe are almost entirely about Europeans fighting off Muslim agression since the early IXt century right until the XIXth when the final Muslim soldier was kicked out of mainland Europe (from Turkish-occupied Bulgaria). However, Muslims like to keep quiet about their bloody history but never fail to point the fingers of the Crusades, as if they hadn't waged a continuous war against other cultures an all continents wherre Muslims set foot.

The way Muslims lie and deceive others about the nature of their ideology is unparalleled. They also seem to suffer from a collective denial of facts which prevents them from realising the dark side of their religion and doing something about it, like Protestantism did to renew Christianity. Racism, sexism, intolerance and aggression are not unknown to other cultures but only Islam justifies this things by "the will of God". It is probably worse than Fascist as not even Nazis took the streets in happy celebration after killing several thousand civilians in a country with which feeds and supports many Muslim states. Gravely misunderstood and even patronised in Europe, Islam will lead to continent-wide civil wars in about 50-60 years on the parts of the continent where was stupid enough to let this Fascist ideology thrive.

Muslims usually claim that they are not all terrorists, which equals to whitewashing Nazism (the ideology probably closest to Islam) by saying that you can't blame a whole ideology for the crimes of a few Eichmanns. The greatest allies of Islam are political correctness and tolerance, the earlier out of simple ignorance, the latter out of cowardice and fear of conflict. Islam is the enemy of our values like freedom and human rights and therefore a deadly and uncompromising enemy of our civilization as well.blaze_adeel

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How did I miss this post the first time through?

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#286 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="paratheos"]Should I be ashamed of being intolerant toward Nazism? I am intolerant toward any fascist ideology. Some ideologies should not be permitted to thrive and should be attacked openly. I am not ashamed of that.paratheos

Are you confusing facism with genocide? They aren't the same thing.

No stated exactly what I meant. I am intolerant of any stupid idea. Lies should not be given the same consideration as truth. Astrology should not be given the same treatment as Astronomy.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here then TBH.
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[QUOTE="nedim100"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Because i dont like the negatives of Islam.

Fine. Ignorance is fuking bliss.

Ilovegames1992

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

I don't talk about the Quran, or even claim to know it extensively. I just don't like some of the things they stand for. I don't dislike any religion, just the negative aspects.

Why can't people grasp that premise? :?

So you think all muslims are intolerant,misogynistic pro-stoners?

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="nedim100"]

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

LJS9502_basic

I don't talk about the Quran, or even claim to know it extensively. I just don't like some of the things they stand for. I don't dislike any religion, just the negative aspects.

Why can't people grasp that premise? :?

I think what he's saying......and I could be wrong but considering I've dealt with this in threads about other religions...is....on a superficial level we all hear negative aspects of religion/religions and attribute it as the norm for that faith. But without actually understanding the teachings...we aren't getting at the truth...but a negative bias of it. But like I said...I could be wrong.

I know its not the norm. There are positives to every religion and negatives. I hate the negatives.

I don't know how that makes me ignorant or intolerant but i'm happy being labelled as one if thats the case.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] AFAIK the Muslims in this thread aren't beating their women. So to generalize their faith with that stereotype is intolerant. Period. You might try a self righteous way to say you're tolerant....but you aren't tolerant of any religion anyway. Not even those that don't preach stoning and flogging. I've seen enough of your posts to know that. So don't try to hide behind words now.LJS9502_basic

Okay, so we aren't tolerant of what you believe in, but we are tolerating your right to believe in it. And if tolerance is so ****Ing important to you, don't EVER come into a religious debate, because there is not a whole lot of room for respecting beliefs that you are clearly against.

Double speak for I'm not tolerant of your faith but I'll pretend I am. If you really are tolerant of someone's faith....you don't spend time bashing it. Period.;)

Imagine living a country where God is shoved up your ass every fcking day. You'd feel obliged to not tolerate it. It's on my fcking money, for fck's sake. It has an influence on politics. It has an influence on laws. It influences my every day life. If everyone kept their mouths shut, the world would be overrun and controlled by religious zealots. **** that kind of tollerance. I will tollerate basic rights, but I don't have to tollerate anyone's fcked up beliefs.

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[QUOTE="paratheos"]No stated exactly what I meant. I am intolerant of any stupid idea. Lies should not be given the same consideration as truth. Astrology should not be given the same treatment as Astronomy.LJS9502_basic
I'm not sure what you're getting at here then TBH.

What I'm getting at is...modern society asks us to give every belief equal consideration and respect. But I do not subscribe to that notion. Like I said, Astrology should not be given the same respect as Astronomy. Lies and bullsh!t should not be given the same respect as factual truth.
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="nedim100"]

No.Its because you(and a lot of others to be fair) spew sh#t about Islam without ever reading Quran or, heaven forbid,informing yourself from someone who is knowledgeable and not a muslim hater.At least Im smart enough not to talk sh#t about christianity and bible(or any other religious book,for that matter)if Ive never even read it.

nedim100

I don't talk about the Quran, or even claim to know it extensively. I just don't like some of the things they stand for. I don't dislike any religion, just the negative aspects.

Why can't people grasp that premise? :?

So you think all muslims are intolerant,misogynistic pro-stoners?

NO!!!

But if you truly believe in the faith, then surely you have to take the bad with the good. Be Muslim, enjoy it. But indirectly you are associated with ideologies i can't accept.

Its like a Jew going "Yeah i eat shellfish, i don't believe in not eating it"

Doesnt work that way.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="paratheos"]No stated exactly what I meant. I am intolerant of any stupid idea. Lies should not be given the same consideration as truth. Astrology should not be given the same treatment as Astronomy.paratheos
I'm not sure what you're getting at here then TBH.

What I'm getting at is...modern society asks us to give every belief equal consideration and respect. But I do not subscribe to that notion. Like I said, Astrology should not be given the same respect as Astronomy. Lies and bullsh!t should not be given the same respect as factual truth.

I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?
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Why do you guys (those that do) follow the Hadiths? Why do you put so much importance on it?We're commanded to-- by the Prophet himself. Unless you're prepared to say you're better to follow than he is, you ought to follow the sunnah as well.

Does that Quran mention that those that commit adultery, should be stoned? No, it doesn't. In fact the Quran specifies that those who do commit adultery, should be punished by being flogged 80 times. So aren't these countries, putting the Hadith over the Quran?If I remember correctly, it says to flog those who are guilty of "open lewdness", which is fornication in public. If I'm wrong and the Qur'an does say to flog adulterers, then I agree with you. The Qur'an always takes a higher importance than hadiths.

The Hadiths are man made, and honestly all those tests and what not aren't gonna help. Cause it was written down after the prophet and everyone who knew him in person were long dead. If I tell you I bought a red Mitsubishi for 2000 dollars and you tell others for over a hundred years, without anyone ever writing it down, do you still think that after 100 years, people would tell each other that I bought a red Mitsubishi for 2000 dollars? The Qur'an was also passed down orally-- for a number of years (not entirely oral, though). Are you gonna say that it's possible for that to be perfectly preserved until the time of Uthman [r.a], but not possible for the oral traditions to?

Aren't we risking turning the prophet into something more than he was?It's just the opposite. Rejecting authentic hadiths is to turn him into less than he was. He said that he had been sent to "perfect our character".

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[QUOTE="paratheos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not sure what you're getting at here then TBH.LJS9502_basic
What I'm getting at is...modern society asks us to give every belief equal consideration and respect. But I do not subscribe to that notion. Like I said, Astrology should not be given the same respect as Astronomy. Lies and bullsh!t should not be given the same respect as factual truth.

I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?

Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="paratheos"]What I'm getting at is...modern society asks us to give every belief equal consideration and respect. But I do not subscribe to that notion. Like I said, Astrology should not be given the same respect as Astronomy. Lies and bullsh!t should not be given the same respect as factual truth. paratheos
I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?

Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.

That could be an excuse to say that anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant. And that's not true. Where do you live? The US has separation of church and state.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="paratheos"]What I'm getting at is...modern society asks us to give every belief equal consideration and respect. But I do not subscribe to that notion. Like I said, Astrology should not be given the same respect as Astronomy. Lies and bullsh!t should not be given the same respect as factual truth. paratheos
I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?

Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.

Be careful, man. You're being intolerant.
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[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="paratheos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?

Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.

Be careful, man. You're being intolerant.

I have to give you a minus in the debating technique. No point...just immaturity.
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[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="paratheos"]Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.LJS9502_basic

Be careful, man. You're being intolerant.

I have to give you a minus in the debating technique. No point...just immaturity.

That wasn't debating. That was trolling. And almost never admitting you're wrong, when you clearly are, isn't a sign that you're good at debating. You're guilty of that. Just take a look at your post history.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="paratheos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not sure who is using astrology as astronomy. It's more an entertainment thing....and if some individuals want to take it seriously....how does that hurt you?

Less people believing in bullsh!t is always a good thing. At the very least it would mean less ignorant voters.

"If some members of society want to be ignorant, how does that hurt you?" It hurts me because In a democracy, the beliefs of others affect me indirectly through the policies of the goverment. If most Americans believed in Islam, the goverment would reflect that, and I would be punished as they would punish me in the middle east.

That could be an excuse to say that anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant. And that's not true. Where do you live? The US has separation of church and state.

Separation of church and state can be redacted at the whim of the public. Rights aren't some kind of intractable gift from god. They are an agreement between the members of society. They can be changed or removed if the values and beliefs of the citizens change. That's why they are so precarious and precious.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"] Be careful, man. You're being intolerant. ColdExistence

I have to give you a minus in the debating technique. No point...just immaturity.

That wasn't debating. That was trolling. And almost never admitting you're wrong, when you clearly are, isn't a sign that you're good at debating. You're guilty of that. Just take a look at your post history.

It may surprise you to know....or at least it should....you cannot prove an opinion wrong.;)