Rand Paul calls Obama corrupt, irresponsible; 50% Americans want Obama impeached

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Rand Paul recently wrote an article for the Washington Times slamming Obama for his violations of the constitution, calling him corrupt, irresponsible, and a failure.

When I filibustered over domestic drone use, critics said that I was being ridiculous. They said that no American had been killed by a drone on American soil and that no one was likely to be anytime soon. President Obama responded that he hadn't killed anyone yet and didn't intend to but he might.

That wasn't the point. The filibuster was about the limits of power. It was about how much authority the president imagined he had. Lincoln wrote that nearly any man can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man, give him power.

I think Mr. Obama has failed that test of power. From the cover-up in Benghazi to letting the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) target the Tea Party to First and Fourth Amendment violations in obtaining records from the press, Mr. Obama has shown disregard for the Bill of Rights and his responsibilities as commander in chief.

The handling of the tragedy in Benghazi continues to raise more questions than it produces answers. The White House's original story, that no one was told to "stand down" on the night of the attack, was contradicted last week by Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens' deputy, Gregory Hicks. Mr. Hicks testified that he spoke with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on the night of the attack and that a special-forces unit was stopped from deploying.

In January, we learned that Mrs. Clinton had not read the cables from Libya, in which Stevens, who feared for his safety, made multiple requests for additional security. The review board tries to shield Mrs. Clinton from blame by saying the decisions to deny security the ambassador requested occurred below her level.

That is precisely her culpability. It is inexcusable that she left decisions concerning the security of our Libyan ambassador to underlings. This issue is far from over, but so far, this administration seems more worried about protecting its own than being honest about what really happened.

Not to mention, who's to blame for it.

Last week, the Internal Revenue Service admitted it intentionally targeted various Tea Party, conservative and libertarian groups, submitting them to audits or making them wait exceptionally long for tax-exempt status. If Benghazi represents abuse or misuse of power, the IRS stands in direct violation of the First Amendment targeting American citizens for their political beliefs. The more we learn about this controversy, the clearer it becomes that anyone who dared to talk about spending, debt or anything related to our current state of government affairs from a conservative perspective was a target.

One of the paramount freedoms Americans have is the ability to criticize their government without fear of retribution. This has been especially true when it comes to freedom of the press.

When the news broke that the Justice Department had seized two months' worth of Associated Press reporters' phone records, it was just the latest in a growing line of abuses of power by this White House. AP head Gary Pruitt called this government seizure a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how journalists research and gather news.

It was, and the lengths to which Mr. Obama has gone to circumvent the Constitution are staggering. It's as though the president thinks we no longer have a First Amendment protecting freedom of the press and free speech. It's as though he thinks we no longer have a Fourth Amendment that prevents illegal search and seizure. It's as though he and Mrs. Clinton think the State Department is no longer responsible for protecting our diplomats.

It's as though we no longer have a Bill of Rights that guarantees American citizens the right to due process and a jury trial and it took me 13 hours of standing and speaking to get the White House to finally, and begrudgingly, say we did. My filibuster was about drone use, but more importantly, it was about never giving government the benefit of the doubt. We cannot afford it, and the government never deserves it, as this administration continues to remind us in so many surprising and disturbing ways.

With great power comes great responsibility. The greater Mr. Obama's power, the less responsible he becomes.

Power corrupts. Absolutely.Rand Paul

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Also, a poll released by wnd showed that approximately half of Americans want Obama impeached for his involvement (whether it be passive or active) in the recent scandals concerning the white house.

Half or nearly half of those surveyed said they believed Obama should be impeached for the trifecta of scandals now consuming Washington.

Actually, on the issue of the Benghazi scandal, where four Americans were killed when in what may have been a politically motivated series of moves, a surging danger to Americans at the foreign service facility there was ignored until al-Qaida-linked terrorists attacked, 50.1 percent of Americans said Obama should be impeached. That included 27.6 percent of the responding Democrats.

Full article here

Even 27.6% of Obama's own party wants him impeached. It now seems clear that if the GOP gets big gains in the senate in 2014 then Obama will not be able to finish his second term. Rand Paul is now Obama's most vocal critic in the senate, and the more disastrous Obama's second term is the more Paul's 2016 presidential campaign will succeed.

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I hear Rand Paul likes to deep throat the establishment when it comes down to drone strikes and the war on drugs
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I hear Rand Paul likes to deep throat the establishment when it comes down to drone strikes and the war on drugs DroidPhysX
He's no different then any politician, it's sad that some see him as some sort of beacon with wholesome values. 

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Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

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Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

 

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

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ITT: moron who doesn't understand that "I don't like" is not an impeachable offense links to a study by a dubious website with other morons who don't understand that "I don't like" is not an impeachable offense.

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Lol a poll by WND.
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Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

 

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

frannkzappa

 

The concept of technocracy is a violation of everything that humanity should stand for.  The fact that it doesn't scare the shit out of you is disturbing to say the least.  

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Lol Lai, you crazy autistic nut!

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Actually this is really the only appropriate response to this thread.

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Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

frannkzappa
How are libertarians a danger to a country where the only people that ever get elected play for the red and blue sport teams?
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Well I've got my Lai dose in for the day.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

 

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

hartsickdiscipl

 

The concept of technocracy is a violation of everything that humanity should stand for.  The fact that it doesn't scare the shit out of you is disturbing to say the least.  

Doesn't seem that bad from it's wiki entry. Want to shed some light on why you think it's a bad idea to let field experts govern their particular fields as a part of a national system?

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Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

frannkzappa
FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

hartsickdiscipl

The concept of technocracy is a violation of everything that humanity should stand for. The fact that it doesn't scare the shit out of you is disturbing to say the least.

No, it is the culmination of all humanity could hope for.

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I have a feeling a lot of Americans don't understand what impeachment means

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I have a feeling a lot of Americans don't understand what impeachment means

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A lot of Americans also think the world is less than 10k years old. With that being said, the IRS and AP probe are kind of shltty things.
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

Laihendi

FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

frannkzappa

FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

Expanding the monster fedgov is not exactly a good thing at all
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Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

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Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

Uh, why would they shut those down?

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Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

You'd be happy with the FDA gets shut down? wtf

enjoy your lead poisoning

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Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

coolbeans90

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I would hope so

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

coolbeans90

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

What do you mean by Natural medicines? If your talking about homeopathy then there is a reason...
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Great thread Lai

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ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

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lol FDA. Raiding raw milk farms while Obama signed the Monsanto Protection Act in Section 735 of HR 933.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity.

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job.

Our welfare system is far more incompetent then the FDA could ever be.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

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lol FDA. Raiding raw milk farms while Obama signed the Monsanto Protection Act in Section 735 of HR 933.MrPraline

Yay, over reaction

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Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

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ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

Riverwolf007

Technocracy is socially moderate.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

Obama is incompetent and corrupt, all democratically elected officials are (though a few flukes happen, see FDR).

However rand paul is worse. libertarians are a danger to this country and to the concept of technocracy, and thus the future of mankind.

frannkzappa

FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

FDR acted beyond his legal authority, as many new deal programs were unconstitutional. For example the Agricultural Adjustment Act and the National Industrial Recovery Act were both ruled unconstitutional. He responded to this by attempting to pack the supreme court with his own goons. That is not the best democracy can hope for, but is instead an example of how dangerous democracy is and how important constitutional restraints are.
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Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

Yusuke420

You can still take the herbs and fungus, just go to some crappy homeopathy store.  And a lot of drugs are derived from natural chemicals made fungus, bacteria, etc

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Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat.

Yusuke420

Ok you go see the witch doctor and i'll keep taking my pills.

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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] FDR is probably the most corrupt president in US history - look at the massive human rights violations of the New Deal. He also provoked Japan into bombing Pearl Harbour, which led to the senseless deaths of 2,402 Americans just so he could use the event for war propaganda. This kind of government corruption seems like a reason to be against technocracy (or any form of authoritarianism) and for libertarianism. The less the government imposes itself on us, the less it is possible for us to be victims of criminals like Obama.Laihendi

FDR expanded the federal government more than anyone before, he put in place a quasi-technocratic cabnet and he efficiently handeled ww2.

He is the best a democracy can hope for.

FDR acted beyond his legal authority, as many new deal programs were unconstitutional. For example the Agricultural Adjustment Act and the National Industrial Recovery Act were both ruled unconstitutional. He responded to this by attempting to pack the supreme court with his own goons. That is not the best democracy can hope for, but is instead an example of how dangerous democracy is and how important constitutional restraints are.

the US constitution was a joke, written by idiots,oligarchs and agrarians.

A constitution would only serve to hinder a technocratic government.

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Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

Yusuke420

Probably because most of those have the same effectiveness as a placebo..

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

lostrib

You can still take the herbs and fungus, just go to some crappy homeopathy store.  And a lot of drugs are derived from natural chemicals made fungus, bacteria, etc

So you don't think big pharma leans on the FDA at all to get pills through that maybe shouldn't be? Why is it everytime you go to a doctors office with a problem. you usually come out with a perscription?

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That's a lot of people who don't understand what impeachment is and what a President would have to do to be impeached. Also the vast majority of US politicians are corrupt and irresponsible, including Rand Paul. People still keep voting them in though.
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#43 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Feds really don't effect my life outside of the draconian drug policy they continue to promote. If they shut down the ATF and the FDA tomorrow, I'd be ready to vote for that party for eternity. 

Yusuke420

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

It also, to some extent, prevents big pharma from selling you straight poison.  Many of those "natural medicines" are nothing more than a sham.  The proposal to eliminate the agency is remarkably similar to those that would remove food stamps to eliminate fraud.

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat.

frannkzappa

Ok you go see the witch doctor and i'll keep taking my pills.

Do as you wish, but know you don't need pills to lead a healthy life :D...

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ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

Riverwolf007

I do believe we will see a return of the moderates when the country is in less of a pit than it currently happens to be. When people are feeling secure enough with their own situation in life we will (hopefully) see a lot less partisan politics due to the fact that people will be a lot less riled up.

As for me I fully indent to seek out the boring moderates next time around and lend them my vote.

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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

Natural medicines like cannibus for starters, but also many herbs and fungus have demonstratable positive effects and they have been consistantly stonewalled by the FDA. Pill companies seem to get pills fast tracked through the testing process even though they have horrid side effects that are sometimes worse then the problem they were designed to treat. 

Yusuke420

You can still take the herbs and fungus, just go to some crappy homeopathy store.  And a lot of drugs are derived from natural chemicals made fungus, bacteria, etc

So you don't think big pharma leans on the FDA at all to get pills through that maybe shouldn't be? Why is it everytime you go to a doctors office with a problem. you usually come out with a perscription?

Because medicine is pretty useful in curing illnesses.
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

ugh, it's just an endless stream of extremest bullshyt these days isn't it?

welcome to the future.

r.i.p. moderates.

i miss you.

Serraph105

I do believe we will see a return of the moderates when the country is in less of a pit than it currently happens to be. When people are feeling secure enough with their own situation in life we will (hopefully) see a lot less partisan politics due to the fact that people will be a lot less riled up.

As for me I fully indent to seek out the boring moderates next time around and lend them my vote.

There's still plenty of Moderates and those firmly in the parties who aren't as extreme as the people we hear all the time. The internet is full of loud extremists who are actually very small in number.
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#49 Yusuke420
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I had no idea the FDA had so many supporters, I thought people were conserned about the massive growth of the pill industry and it's never ending roll out of harsher and harsher drugs. I guess I was wrong...

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Surely you mean the DEA, not the FDA, yes?

lostrib

I did forget to add the DEA, but the FDA allows big pharma to continue to push it's pills for massive profits while making sure natural medicines never see the market. It's a corrupt organization that needs to be shut down. That doesn't mean we don't need food regulation, but they have shown they are no competent to do the job. 

so you want to shut down the department meant to oversee the safety of food and drugs? And leave safety up to who? the corporations? And what "natural medicines"?

The FDA is a corrupt organization that only functions to establish monopolies in the food/drug industries. It is also extremely dangerous for the government to have the power to control what substances you are allowed to put in your body. In the future that could be used as a weapon to control people, especially dissent. For example there is much evidence indicating that fluoride in the water supply is resulting in Americans becoming increasingly stupid. This makes them easier to manipulate with msm and government propaganda and makes them vote for whoever and whatever they want.