Religion AND Evolution say WHAT?!?!

[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]

Claiming others as being stupid, which you have done on multiple occasions is also claiming to be smarter.

I don't believe there was a talking snake for example. I believe it was nothing more than a way to describe the personality of Satan.

All you know of is one experience, but I stated before there were many and I have thought about it logically. The many hundreds of experiences I have had led me to believe in God and Jesus Christ. I studied other religions and gave myself plenty of years before making my decision to become a Christian. 20 plus years later, I am confident I made the right decision that this is how I wanted to live my life. Allow me to ask you a question.

Why is my decision a bad thing?

You must think so if you trying hard to prove your case. Answer that question for me. Why should I NOT have become a Christian? What harm does me being a Christian do in my life? You must have some problem with it since you keep saying how stupid it is for believing and keep coming back with more, even after you say you're not going to get into it any more.

The statement I made was - the MANY experiences I have had led me to believe in God - not just one.

The Bible is not my reason for starting my faith. I don't believe because things are in the Bible and understand others who are non religious do not accept it as proof. I understand why. It's a book. I don't expect anyone to become a Christian because of what a book says. I don't expect anyone to become a Christian because I said so - I'm no one and have no proof of anything to provide on this board. I don't need to provide any proof though. I only gave a reason why I believe - nothing more than that really.

theSteeeeels

There you go again with baseless insults :roll:

We call that interpretations.

Than we agree, since I am happy, there is nothing wrong with me being a Christian. I don't believe you are happy with yourself and are probable insecure in your own belief. Always calling people 'stupid' and 'dumb' comes from a very unhappy individual.

I never wasted my life. I am very happily married with a wonderful adopted son and a decent job. How did I waste anything? Oh yea, You just love grasping at straws with no reasoning.

How? I know many Evolutionist Christians that hold on to the belief of an literal Adam and Eve. I certainty remember nothing about evolution states anything about the concept of Adam and Eve.

alexside1

I am not quite sure what exactly you are objecting to.

You say "Evolutionist Christians" believe in the Bible's literal description of Adam and Eve. But this description conflicts with the theory of evolution. Which states life evolved over time, and wasn't created in a set form at any specific point.

You cannot believe that humans were created 'in their current form' by a diety, as well as gradually evolved over many generations. They are incompatible with each other. I have to question how anyone can call themselves a "Evolutionist Christian", which I assume means Christians who believe in evolution, who also believes in the literal sense of the Adam and Eve creation story.

Evolution doesn't have to make any mention of Adam and Eve, as evolutionary theory itself conflicts with the story.

There you go again with baseless insults :roll:

We call that interpretations.

Than we agree, since I am happy, there is nothing wrong with me being a Christian. I don't believe you are happy with yourself and are probable insecure in your own belief. Always calling people 'stupid' and 'dumb' comes from a very unhappy individual.

I never wasted my life. I am very happily married with a wonderful adopted son and a decent job. How did I waste anything? Oh yea, You just love grasping at straws with no reasoning.

kev_stevens67

[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]

There you go again with baseless insults :roll:

We call that interpretations.

Than we agree, since I am happy, there is nothing wrong with me being a Christian. I don't believe you are happy with yourself and are probable insecure in your own belief. Always calling people 'stupid' and 'dumb' comes from a very unhappy individual.

I never wasted my life. I am very happily married with a wonderful adopted son and a decent job. How did I waste anything? Oh yea, You just love grasping at straws with no reasoning.

theSteeeeels

Then stop with the insults - because

1. it makes you look like you have nothing else to say

2. It makes you look like a babbling child

3. It does nothing to further the conversation

4. It does nothing to prove your own points, but detracts from them

I have always had a reasonable and logical mind - believing in God never changed that.

If you believe that if one day, I may 'come to my senses' and come crashing down hard, you must have some proof I am incorrect in choosing this path. Show me.

I never cried or hated my parents once I discovered Santa was not real many many years ago as a small child. Santa and God are two separate things. It's like comparing apples to grapes.

Edit: I've had enough insults to last a life-time. I'm off to bed.

For someone who preaches logic and reason and then calling people 'stupid' for having a different belief is not very logical or reasonable and makes for poor conversation.

Then stop with the insults - because

1. it makes you look like you have nothing else to say

2. It makes you look like a babbling child

3. It does nothing to further the conversation

4. It does nothing to prove your own points, but detracts from them

I have always had a reasonable and logical mind - believing in God never changed that.

If you believe that if one day, I may 'come to my senses' and come crashing down hard, you must have some proof I am incorrect in choosing this path. Show me.

I never cried or hated my parents once I discovered Santa was not real many many years ago as a small child. Santa and God are two separate things. It's like comparing apples to grapes.

kev_stevens67

For someone who preaches logic and reason and then calling people 'stupid' for having a different belief is not very logical or reasonable and makes for poor conversation.kev_stevens67

[QUOTE="tocool340"]

[QUOTE="kev_stevens67"]

I never said I was more special - you're trying to read minds now? Truth is, I'm no more special than the next person. I actually like to visit those who are critically ill. I do my best to help them. You obviously have no idea what I'm saying and are just making up stories.

I would love Science to come up with a cure. That would be great!

You're post is lacking any type of logic or reason by making assumptions you know someone on the Internet you have never met.

You have no idea on my thinking.

kev_stevens67

You must didn't understand my post. I in almost no way assumed I know your way of thinking. I just responded to what you said and used what you said as an example. I don't know how you jumped to the conclusion I was assuming how you think....

I said this is one experience of many which led me to believe in God.

I never said I was special - this is one of the assumptions you use. You have assumed to know how I think, which you were wrong when you said this:

"What makes you think your any special than those already deceased from more pressing injuries?"

and

"the one thing I dislike about people with your type of thinking"

and

"you probably wouldn't hesitate to say its because of Gods good grace instead of giving the credit to the people that worked there ass off, dedicating their lives to finding the cure for those sicknesses."

These are all assumptions based on nothing. You have assumed my way of thinking and are wrong, now you're back peddling.

I even explained to you how special I would think if Science found a cure. The person(s) responsible would have my thanks and I would be so glad someone and others would have put in the hard work.

Again, how is that assumption when you put on the table "One of the many experiences includes a dislocated shoulder healing instantly - for which the Doctors had no explanation for."? Weren't you saying God had something to do with your dislocated shoulder? Did you completely miss the part where I said that second paragraph in that post may or may not be aimed at you, but your "experience" is something similar to what other people say? It seems YOU are assuming that I was talking specifically about you when I was just talking about people in general. People who will discover something or narrowly escape a fatal accident and turn around a say God did it. So your saying your experience is no different than people like that? I never said what your reaction WILL be if someone finds a cure. I was speaking about people in general who would say God done it but don't take into consideration of other factors in play. Once again, what you said is SIMILAR to it.....

I wonder if you notice that I said PROBABLY wouldn't hesitate to say its God good grace too...

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Are you truly still a Christian then, if you're denying many Christian beliefs? theSteeeeels

According to you...Your "logic" is based on your viewpoint of what you think the Christian Church and Faith should be. Based on a 2000 year old book that even the Vatican does not recognise completely. Why do you feel your vision of the Christian Church holds more value than that of the Vatican and that of individual Christian beliefs? I was unaware that someone who doesn't even believe in God could decide how we should all practice our faith...

(FACEPALM)

Why does everyone take the "THE EARTH WAS CREATED IN 6 DAYS" so litteraly? First of all, at that time period when the book of Genesis was written the 24 hour day didn't even exsist. Heck, people did'nt even know the earth revolved or rotated. 6 days is basically just a place holder. Of course God is so all-knowing and awesome that I highly doubt it took God a super long period of time to make the Earth. The bible is perfect. It is the infallable word of God. Believe in all of it or none of it. It is really that simple. Btw, I'm talking about the Christian bible. The first english bible is the king James verision ( 66 books). The bibles overall concepts apply regardless of the time period. They do not become "outdated"

I heard someone mention the so called "Contradicitons"that Jesus mentioned. Why do you try so hard to find contradictions in the bible? The law in the old testament which God calls unbreakble and whoever attempts to demolish it are the Ten Commandments. Thats why Jesus said he was not trying to bring down the old law, he is talking about the ten commandments, He was actually there to abolish the strict Jewish law of subjects such as sacrafice, forgiveness of sins, and the overall relationship with God. Jesus became the ultimate sacrafice, making the sacraficing of animals unnesssceary. We no longer need a preist/pope or holy man in order to contact and repent of our sins. With jesus we can talk to God whenever we feel like it with intimacy and love. Our ticket to heaven is given to us by faith in Jesus instead of works. Of course, Faith and love in Jesus Christ is useless if we don't show our love with Obedience. "If you love me, you will obey me" (Jesus)

(FACEPALM)

Why does everyone take the "THE EARTH WAS CREATED IN 6 DAYS" so litteraly? First of all, at that time period when the book of Genesis was written the 24 hour day didn't even exsist. Heck, people did'nt even know the earth revolved or rotated. 6 days is basically just a place holder. Of course God is so all-knowing and awesome that I highly doubt it took God a super long period of time to make the Earth. The bible is perfect. It is the infallable word of God. Believe in all of it or none of it. It is really that simple. Btw, I'm talking about the Christian bible. The first english bible is the king James verision ( 66 books). The bibles overall concepts apply regardless of the time period. They do not become "outdated"

I heard someone mention the so called "Contradicitons"that Jesus mentioned. Why do you try so hard to find contradictions in the bible? The law in the old testament which God calls unbreakble and whoever attempts to demolish it are the Ten Commandments. Thats why Jesus said he was not trying to bring down the old law, he is talking about the ten commandments, He was actually there to abolish the strict Jewish law of subjects such as sacrafice, forgiveness of sins, and the overall relationship with God. Jesus became the ultimate sacrafice, making the sacraficing of animals unnesssceary. We no longer need a preist/pope or holy man in order to contact and repent of our sins. With jesus we can talk to God whenever we feel like it with intimacy and love. Our ticket to heaven is given to us by faith in Jesus instead of works. Of course, Faith and love in Jesus Christ is useless if we don't show our love with Obedience. "If you love me, you will obey me" (Jesus)

TheStarM4n

Im scared of some people...

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"]

(FACEPALM)

Why does everyone take the "THE EARTH WAS CREATED IN 6 DAYS" so litteraly? First of all, at that time period when the book of Genesis was written the 24 hour day didn't even exsist. Heck, people did'nt even know the earth revolved or rotated. 6 days is basically just a place holder. Of course God is so all-knowing and awesome that I highly doubt it took God a super long period of time to make the Earth. The bible is perfect. It is the infallable word of God. Believe in all of it or none of it. It is really that simple. Btw, I'm talking about the Christian bible. The first english bible is the king James verision ( 66 books). The bibles overall concepts apply regardless of the time period. They do not become "outdated"

I heard someone mention the so called "Contradicitons"that Jesus mentioned. Why do you try so hard to find contradictions in the bible? The law in the old testament which God calls unbreakble and whoever attempts to demolish it are the Ten Commandments. Thats why Jesus said he was not trying to bring down the old law, he is talking about the ten commandments, He was actually there to abolish the strict Jewish law of subjects such as sacrafice, forgiveness of sins, and the overall relationship with God. Jesus became the ultimate sacrafice, making the sacraficing of animals unnesssceary. We no longer need a preist/pope or holy man in order to contact and repent of our sins. With jesus we can talk to God whenever we feel like it with intimacy and love. Our ticket to heaven is given to us by faith in Jesus instead of works. Of course, Faith and love in Jesus Christ is useless if we don't show our love with Obedience. "If you love me, you will obey me" (Jesus)

imetamonster

Im scared of some people...

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]I believe that evolution and religion can co-exist in perfect harmony. People get so uppity about this, I guess I'll never really understand. ...until I die. :shock:TheStarM4n

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]I believe that evolution and religion can co-exist in perfect harmony. People get so uppity about this, I guess I'll never really understand. ...until I die. :shock:imetamonster

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] I hope you find out/understand before its too late :( Evolution can co-exsist with religion(S). Just not all of them. Christianity for example, teaches that God created humans from in his own image. This contradicts the evolution theory, which states that we were a process that evolved over time with adaptations (not a miraculous creation that happened almost instantaneously) You can't be created by God and come from a previous version of a prior animalTheStarM4n

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

Honestly I have no idea where you are going with this...So you are saying those Christians who accept homosexuality are attempting to fool God? uhuh...

Both can exist if people will just stop imposing their views on others. optiow

Yeah they are. More speicffically, the ones who just say there christian because of tradition or they want to please people but they don't even have their lifestyle reflect Jesus's. Believe in all of God's word or none of it. Theres no inbetween. Faith is worthless if you don't have the lifestyle to back it up. Not to say you have to perfect either.

EDIT: Also, when I say "accept homosexuality" I just mean to believe if its sinful or not. We should still treat homosexuals with the same respect and compassion just like everyother human being.

[QUOTE="optiow"]Both can exist if people will just stop imposing their views on others. TheStarM4n

*lose

:lol: How so?

I think it is ridiculous when an atheist OR a religious person tells me religion and evoluton can't co-exist. After all it is MY faith, and I believe science is a tool to help us understan everything around and inside us. What is your stance ?

kevin11896

Yeah they are. More speicffically, the ones who just say there christian because of tradition or they want to please people but they don't even have their lifestyle reflect Jesus's. Believe in all of God's word or none of it. Theres no inbetween. Faith is worthless if you don't have the lifestyle to back it up. Not to say you have to perfect either.

TheStarM4n

Ahhh no, there clearly is an inbetween otherwise women would still have no rights, we would still have slaves, murder of children would be accepted and crusades/witchhunts would still be occuring. Instead of taking a 2000 year old book verbatim, how bout you take a look at the world around you and adapt your beliefs to suit that of society's progress. Not the other way around

Yes science is a tool, but it only points to God.Calvin079

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] I hope you find out/understand before its too late :( Evolution can co-exsist with religion(S). Just not all of them. Christianity for example, teaches that God created humans from in his own image. This contradicts the evolution theory, which states that we were a process that evolved over time with adaptations (not a miraculous creation that happened almost instantaneously) You can't be created by God and come from a previous version of a prior animalTheStarM4n

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

Oh boy.

You had to go there.

Thats where my common sense budged in when i used to be fully christian. Here my religion is telling me Homosexuality is bad, when i myself am attracted to men and i have had NO say in my sexual orientation AT ALL.

And this also goes for 90 percent of the gay community.

Reality is, people are gay and they dont choose it.

I wont even argue any further. The evidence in studies, and science, Even just plain cmmon sense proves my case.

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="optiow"]Both can exist if people will just stop imposing their views on others. chaoscougar1

*lose

:lol: How so?

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"]

Yeah they are. More speicffically, the ones who just say there christian because of tradition or they want to please people but they don't even have their lifestyle reflect Jesus's. Believe in all of God's word or none of it. Theres no inbetween. Faith is worthless if you don't have the lifestyle to back it up. Not to say you have to perfect either.

chaoscougar1

Ahhh no, there clearly is an inbetween otherwise women would still have no rights, we would still have slaves, murder of children would be accepted and crusades/witchhunts would still be occuring. Instead of taking a 2000 year old book verbatim, how bout you take a look at the world around you and adapt your beliefs to suit that of society's progress. Not the other way around

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Imposing our views? Me as a christian just wants to give out a helping hand to all the lost people in a lost world by revealing Jesus. Things are getting worse and worse as people farther stray from God. When we stop "imposing" as you say, then that is when we really loose! Of course as I stated above. There are plenty of religions that can co exsist with evolution. Just not all of them like Christianity.TheStarM4n

*lose

:lol: How so?

Until we turn our hearts to God, we won't be able to find a solution with this failing economy. Have you seen divorce rates as well? We can't even keep our marriages together :(! let alone our societies/governments. We can't do it without him, we never will be able to. When us as Christians stop spreading the word of God (you use the word impose), then how do the people in third world countries hear about God? How can we lend a helping hand to peoples poverty when their own spirits are dieing of thurst for Jesus? you may think without religion or more specifically Christianity, peace and less confrontations will ensue. I think quite the opposite without Jesus's love It's an extremely difficult concept to grasp but it just is so heart breaking to see the world, lose.

Why on earth would you use the conflict in the Middle East as an example? That whole war is founded on religious intolerance.

:lol: God will not solve the failing economy hahahaha

*thirst, and despite the work some Christians and other religions are doing to attempt to ease the suffering of others. I would say religious wars and disagreements have killed a lot more people than religion has saved.

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Imposing our views? Me as a christian just wants to give out a helping hand to all the lost people in a lost world by revealing Jesus. Things are getting worse and worse as people farther stray from God. When we stop "imposing" as you say, then that is when we really loose! Of course as I stated above. There are plenty of religions that can co exsist with evolution. Just not all of them like Christianity.TheStarM4n

*lose

:lol: How so?

The bible was written for society back then. Was not written for a time like now.

My endless question i ask is

How can ANY god expect you to choose a god without any significant proof of anything?

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

*lose

:lol: How so?

chaoscougar1

Until we turn our hearts to God, we won't be able to find a solution with this failing economy. Have you seen divorce rates as well? We can't even keep our marriages together :(! let alone our societies/governments. We can't do it without him, we never will be able to. When us as Christians stop spreading the word of God (you use the word impose), then how do the people in third world countries hear about God? How can we lend a helping hand to peoples poverty when their own spirits are dieing of thurst for Jesus? you may think without religion or more specifically Christianity, peace and less confrontations will ensue. I think quite the opposite without Jesus's love It's an extremely difficult concept to grasp but it just is so heart breaking to see the world, lose.

Why on earth would you use the conflict in the Middle East as an example? That whole war is founded on religious intolerance.

:lol: God will not solve the failing economy hahahaha

*thirst, and despite the work some Christians and other religions are doing to attempt to ease the suffering of others. I would say religious wars and disagreements have killed a lot more people than religion has saved.

Exactly.

Religion itselfhas caused a ton of pain on mother earth.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Your right, people can be Christian and believe in whatever they want. But where do we draw the line?? Being christian merely means the belief that Jesus is God and has risen from the dead. But if you were really christian, shouldn't you want to believe what Jesus believed? As in, obey him as means of showing him the love that was given to you that no other person has? Here is an EXAMPLE to help clarify: Maybe I'm a christian who wants to believe there is nothing immoral or sinful about homosexuality. Sure I could do that. But the bible specifically states in both the old testament and new testament that God finds homosexuality a disgusting sin. So am I really a christian who loves God/Jesus? Or am I Just saying I'm a christian to fool people or even worse, fool God? Get where I am going with this?TheStarM4n

Oh boy.

You had to go there.

Thats where my common sense budged in when i used to be fully christian. Here my religion is telling me Homosexuality is bad, when i myself am attracted to men and i have had NO say in my sexual orientation AT ALL.

And this also goes for 90 percent of the gay community.

Reality is, people are gay and they dont choose it.

I wont even argue any further. The evidence in studies, and science, Even just plain cmmon sense proves my case.

Oh. My. God. :| You are what gives Christianity a bad name. You talk about biasness and then use the Bible as evidence. 2000 year old book written by people who thought the sun revolved around the earth vs. scientific evidence presented by doctors. The irony and sheer ***** of your comment is uncomprehendable

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

*lose

:lol: How so?

imetamonster

Until we turn our hearts to God, we won't be able to find a solution with this failing economy. Have you seen divorce rates as well? We can't even keep our marriages together :(! let alone our societies/governments. We can't do it without him, we never will be able to. When us as Christians stop spreading the word of God (you use the word impose), then how do the people in third world countries hear about God? How can we lend a helping hand to peoples poverty when their own spirits are dieing of thurst for Jesus? you may think without religion or more specifically Christianity, peace and less confrontations will ensue. I think quite the opposite without Jesus's love It's an extremely difficult concept to grasp but it just is so heart breaking to see the world, lose.

Why on earth would you use the conflict in the Middle East as an example? That whole war is founded on religious intolerance.

:lol: God will not solve the failing economy hahahaha

*thirst, and despite the work some Christians and other religions are doing to attempt to ease the suffering of others. I would say religious wars and disagreements have killed a lot more people than religion has saved.

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Oh boy.

You had to go there.

Thats where my common sense budged in when i used to be fully christian. Here my religion is telling me Homosexuality is bad, when i myself am attracted to men and i have had NO say in my sexual orientation AT ALL.

And this also goes for 90 percent of the gay community.

Reality is, people are gay and they dont choose it.

I wont even argue any further. The evidence in studies, and science, Even just plain cmmon sense proves my case.

chaoscougar1

Oh. My. God. :| You are what gives Christianity a bad name. You talk about biasness and then use the Bible as evidence. 2000 year old book written by people who thought the sun revolved around the earth vs. scientific evidence presented by doctors. The irony and sheer ***** of your comment is uncomprehendable

How does people who believe the sun around the Earth instantly make the bible false? Calm down

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Your right, people can be Christian and believe in whatever they want. But where do we draw the line?? Being christian merely means the belief that Jesus is God and has risen from the dead. But if you were really christian, shouldn't you want to believe what Jesus believed? As in, obey him as means of showing him the love that was given to you that no other person has? Here is an EXAMPLE to help clarify: Maybe I'm a christian who wants to believe there is nothing immoral or sinful about homosexuality. Sure I could do that. But the bible specifically states in both the old testament and new testament that God finds homosexuality a disgusting sin. So am I really a christian who loves God/Jesus? Or am I Just saying I'm a christian to fool people or even worse, fool God? Get where I am going with this?TheStarM4n

Oh boy.

You had to go there.

Thats where my common sense budged in when i used to be fully christian. Here my religion is telling me Homosexuality is bad, when i myself am attracted to men and i have had NO say in my sexual orientation AT ALL.

And this also goes for 90 percent of the gay community.

Reality is, people are gay and they dont choose it.

I wont even argue any further. The evidence in studies, and science, Even just plain cmmon sense proves my case.

Sorry buddy

not a single story of people being able to "change" sexuality that was successful.

Most gay male christians that claim to become straight, just force themselves to marry a women and think they are straight. Even addmitting they still have same sex urges. But will hold them from god.

Alot of gays dont like the fact they are gay to begin with.

Do i have to bring gay suicide stories into this?

You cannot change sexuality

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Oh boy.

You had to go there.

Thats where my common sense budged in when i used to be fully christian. Here my religion is telling me Homosexuality is bad, when i myself am attracted to men and i have had NO say in my sexual orientation AT ALL.

And this also goes for 90 percent of the gay community.

Reality is, people are gay and they dont choose it.

I wont even argue any further. The evidence in studies, and science, Even just plain cmmon sense proves my case.

imetamonster

Sorry buddy

not a single story of people being able to "change" sexuality that was successful.

Most christians that claim to become straight, just force themselves to marry a women and think they are straight. Even addmitting they still have same sex urges. But will hold them from god.

Alot of gays dont like the fact they are gay to begin with.

Do i have to bring gay suicide stories into this?

You cannot change sexuality

LETS TAKE IT FURTHER SHALL WE :@:evil:!!

DID YOU HONESTELY JUST SAY FORCE THEMSELVES TO MARRY A WOMEN?!?!

I am so pissed lol. We actually have the ability to base a marriage upon love instead of just what feels right and what gets us a hard on.

the bible says it tooks six days to create everything. Evolution says it took millions of years. Absolutely insane to think those can't coexist. :roll:dkdk999

No matter how many times people refute this argument, it keeps coming back. I mean come on, it's even address in the bible.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] ( Sorry If I sound repetitive) but I'm a christian so when the world continues to stray from God, the worst things overall on our planet is going to become. You see, without love for Jesus in our hearts, the one who died for us yet we continue to sin and he continues to forgive us, how can we love each other? Take abortion for example, it is merely murder in disguise. Think about the never-ending conflicts in the middle East? It may not seem like the world is in trouble from our tiny perspective and in our safe and comfortable homes but it is.

Until we turn our hearts to God, we won't be able to find a solution with this failing economy. Have you seen divorce rates as well? We can't even keep our marriages together :(! let alone our societies/governments. We can't do it without him, we never will be able to. When us as Christians stop spreading the word of God (you use the word impose), then how do the people in third world countries hear about God? How can we lend a helping hand to peoples poverty when their own spirits are dieing of thurst for Jesus? you may think without religion or more specifically Christianity, peace and less confrontations will ensue. I think quite the opposite without Jesus's love It's an extremely difficult concept to grasp but it just is so heart breaking to see the world, lose. TheStarM4n

Why on earth would you use the conflict in the Middle East as an example? That whole war is founded on religious intolerance.

:lol: God will not solve the failing economy hahahaha

*thirst, and despite the work some Christians and other religions are doing to attempt to ease the suffering of others. I would say religious wars and disagreements have killed a lot more people than religion has saved.

Do you have any idea about how the economy works? Ever hear of the Great Depression? The economy has troughs and peaks, some are deeper or higher than others. It will bounce back, it always does. I can guarantee God will not be the one adding capital into the economy and changing interest rates to better inflation. Please do not spread your ignorance to my area of expertise

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"]

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Why on earth would you use the conflict in the Middle East as an example? That whole war is founded on religious intolerance.

:lol: God will not solve the failing economy hahahaha

*thirst, and despite the work some Christians and other religions are doing to attempt to ease the suffering of others. I would say religious wars and disagreements have killed a lot more people than religion has saved.

chaoscougar1

Do you have any idea about how the economy works? Ever hear of the Great Depression? The economy has troughs and peaks, some are deeper or higher than others. It will bounce back, it always does. I can guarantee God will not be the one adding capital into the economy and changing interest rates to better inflation. Please do not spread your ignorance to my area of expertise

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Lol you think you were born with homosexuality that is hilarious. I say you act upon what feels right to you and not to God. You specifically disregard God's teachings and love just so you can satisfy your desire for the same sex. How pitiful. Any chain you are bound by is breakable. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" If you would of, will, give God a chance, then he will assist you in unimaginable ways to fight this temptation and get back to a life with Jesus. Its never too late. I wish you the best in luck. your studies are flawed because they have biasness. Why? Because they come in specifically looking for evidence that homosexuality is not a choice and that its just in you. Not the neutral or Godly sideTheStarM4n

Sorry buddy

not a single story of people being able to "change" sexuality that was successful.

Most christians that claim to become straight, just force themselves to marry a women and think they are straight. Even addmitting they still have same sex urges. But will hold them from god.

Alot of gays dont like the fact they are gay to begin with.

Do i have to bring gay suicide stories into this?

You cannot change sexuality

Wtf?

You seriously say some messed up things.

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Lol you think you were born with homosexuality that is hilarious. I say you act upon what feels right to you and not to God. You specifically disregard God's teachings and love just so you can satisfy your desire for the same sex. How pitiful. Any chain you are bound by is breakable. "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" If you would of, will, give God a chance, then he will assist you in unimaginable ways to fight this temptation and get back to a life with Jesus. Its never too late. I wish you the best in luck. your studies are flawed because they have biasness. Why? Because they come in specifically looking for evidence that homosexuality is not a choice and that its just in you. Not the neutral or Godly sideTheStarM4n

Sorry buddy

not a single story of people being able to "change" sexuality that was successful.

Most christians that claim to become straight, just force themselves to marry a women and think they are straight. Even addmitting they still have same sex urges. But will hold them from god.

Alot of gays dont like the fact they are gay to begin with.

Do i have to bring gay suicide stories into this?

You cannot change sexuality

Please, stop talking. You had some basis for an argument earlier, now you are just being offensive.

Ok, God did not say "Let there be light" and there was. The Big Bang created billions upon billions upon billions of stars and it just so happened that certain atoms/elements combined near to this star we call the sun that over 4.5billion years evolved into life as we know it. I do believe in God/some higher power, I do not believe that God randomly chose the Milky Way out of billions of Galaxies touches this insanely small area area and creates a star AFTER earth was already there...There is no way we are the only lifeforms in the universe, its literally impossible this universe is here just for us

[QUOTE="imetamonster"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] I hope you find out/understand before its too late :( Evolution can co-exsist with religion(S). Just not all of them. Christianity for example, teaches that God created humans from in his own image. This contradicts the evolution theory, which states that we were a process that evolved over time with adaptations (not a miraculous creation that happened almost instantaneously) You can't be created by God and come from a previous version of a prior animalTheStarM4n

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

so the bible says, and you agree, correct? forget what anyone has observed about actual human suffering related to homosexuality?

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

Sorry buddy

not a single story of people being able to "change" sexuality that was successful.

Most christians that claim to become straight, just force themselves to marry a women and think they are straight. Even addmitting they still have same sex urges. But will hold them from god.

Alot of gays dont like the fact they are gay to begin with.

Do i have to bring gay suicide stories into this?

You cannot change sexuality

imetamonster

Wtf?

You seriously say some messed up things.

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

Mordred19

so the bible says, and you agree, correct? forget what anyone has observed about actual human suffering related to homosexuality?

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Oh shut up lol. I'm NOT trying to defend religion. Just Christianity. The middle east conflicts are largely upon the issues with a country called Israel. Many countries would like to eradicate them. : " good will not solve the economy". You are so blind!!!!! By putting God first, He will provide us with ways to solve it. YOU ACTUALLY THINK WERE GOING TO SOLVE IT? LMAO yeah were doing a good job so far!!!

TheStarM4n

Do you have any idea about how the economy works? Ever hear of the Great Depression? The economy has troughs and peaks, some are deeper or higher than others. It will bounce back, it always does. I can guarantee God will not be the one adding capital into the economy and changing interest rates to better inflation. Please do not spread your ignorance to my area of expertise

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="imetamonster"]

But wait... Humans did evolve. At least to a certain extent.

And people can be christian and believe whatever they want.

Mordred19

so the bible says, and you agree, correct? forget what anyone has observed about actual human suffering related to homosexuality?

If your saying Homosexuality has caused human suffering...

Not cool dude

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Do you have any idea about how the economy works? Ever hear of the Great Depression? The economy has troughs and peaks, some are deeper or higher than others. It will bounce back, it always does. I can guarantee God will not be the one adding capital into the economy and changing interest rates to better inflation. Please do not spread your ignorance to my area of expertise

chaoscougar1

My basis for all of this is that without God. Crisis(s) in this world are going to get worse. If we don't look towards God's first and instead we look towards ourselves, then we start to lose. I don't remember how but we somehow got to the whole. I gave proof of this by showing many disasters that have happened to show the worlds unpleasant condition. One of them was the economy and you said the economy has hiccups. Well that doesn't disprove my hypothesis either. I'm going to go now from this debate but if you have any other questions feel free to pm me.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="TheStarM4n"] Your right, people can be Christian and believe in whatever they want. But where do we draw the line?? Being christian merely means the belief that Jesus is God and has risen from the dead. But if you were really christian, shouldn't you want to believe what Jesus believed? As in, obey him as means of showing him the love that was given to you that no other person has? Here is an EXAMPLE to help clarify: Maybe I'm a christian who wants to believe there is nothing immoral or sinful about homosexuality. Sure I could do that. But the bible specifically states in both the old testament and new testament that God finds homosexuality a disgusting sin. So am I really a christian who loves God/Jesus? Or am I Just saying I'm a christian to fool people or even worse, fool God? Get where I am going with this?TheStarM4n

so the bible says, and you agree, correct? forget what anyone has observed about actual human suffering related to homosexuality?

sorry. I mean, the word of the bible comes first, and you can't use personal observation of homosexuality in real life to judge whether or not it is immoral? have I got that right? the words of the bible trump what you see about gays it in the world?