Religious Question (uh oh)

If there is an all-powerful God in heaven, why is it not in his power to help out with the big world problems? World hunger being one big one. It seems extremely illogical for an all-powerful being who created the universe to not be able to instantly feed starving people. This is one of the many reasons I say there is no "God" in a religious sense.

1) Don't tell me that starving people "deserve" this, because they don't (I've often been given that as a response, or an excuse, to this question).

I personally think he wants to leave humans to sort out their own problems, kind of the deal we broke when Eve ate the apple: stuff won't be given to us on a silver platter now, we have to earn it.

"God works in mysterious ways."

He gives bad people material goods, and gives good people cancer. If God did exist, he is not the one described by many Abrahamic definitions.

God gave us free will.

That's why he doesn't interfere in the bad things humans do. He loves us enough to let us CHOOSE to love him.

Don't worry. You'll get lots of people responding that it's just "part of God's plan". :roll:chessmaster1989

Oh, how I hate that response with an undying passion! If people dying is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it. :x

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Don't worry. You'll get lots of people responding that it's just "part of God's plan". :roll:Astrapsody

Oh, how I hate that response with an undying passion! If people dying is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it. :x

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Don't worry. You'll get lots of people responding that it's just "part of God's plan". :roll:Astrapsody

Oh, how I hate that response with an undying passion! If people dying is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it. :x

God gave us free will.

That's why he doesn't interfere in the bad things humans do. He loves us enough to let us CHOOSE to love him.

im_really_rich

Don't give me that b.s. Those children aren't choosing to starve to death. Tell me how children dying is a part of his plan. Do you really think everybody chooses their own fate?!

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Don't worry. You'll get lots of people responding that it's just "part of God's plan". :roll:Famiking

Oh, how I hate that response with an undying passion! If people dying is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it. :x

Oh, you got me. :) Let me rephrase that.

If people dying of unnatural causes is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it.

God gave us free will.

That's why he doesn't interfere in the bad things humans do. He loves us enough to let us CHOOSE to love him.

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

I personally think he wants to leave humans to sort out their own problems, kind of the deal we broke when Eve ate the apple: stuff won't be given to us on a silver platter now, we have to earn it.

Grodus5

We have to earn life? I thought it was a "God-given" right in our (America's) Constitution to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why shouldn't it be the right of starving children?

I don't remember breaking any deal either. Why didn't I get a chance in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve screwed up and now the rest of humanity has to pay for it?

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]

I personally think he wants to leave humans to sort out their own problems, kind of the deal we broke when Eve ate the apple: stuff won't be given to us on a silver platter now, we have to earn it.

We have to earn life? I thought it was a "God-given" right in our (America's) Constitution to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why shouldn't it be the right of starving children?

I don't remember breaking any deal either. Why didn't I get a chance in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve screwed up and now the rest of humanity has to pay for it?

[QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

God gave us free will.

That's why he doesn't interfere in the bad things humans do. He loves us enough to let us CHOOSE to love him.

angusclone2

Let's open up our minds for a minute, I promise, it won't hurt. Children don't choose to starve to death. Children don't allow that to happen. It's not their fault. Why can't God fix it?

Your answer is because we have free will and Eve screwed up. Oh well, that's that. Eve screwed up, let's go home. God's going back to Heaven and removing all his universe creating powers.

Well, if God were real as describe in the Bible, then God is beyond our understanding, and therefore, we could never understand the motives behind his inaction against our problems.

[QUOTE="Famiking"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

Oh, how I hate that response with an undying passion! If people dying is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it. :x

Astrapsody

Oh, you got me. :) Let me rephrase that.

If people dying of unnatural causes is a part of his plan, I will have nothing of it.

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Theokhoth

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Theokhoth

True, but if "He" doesn't it proves that he really just doesn't care. He's just letting children starve to death becuase his first two failed him. I'm not even going to start that whole "all-knowing" thing either. Don't bring it up. That's for another time.

[QUOTE="angusclone2"][QUOTE="im_really_rich"]

God gave us free will.

That's why he doesn't interfere in the bad things humans do. He loves us enough to let us CHOOSE to love him.

Astrapsody

Let's open up our minds for a minute, I promise, it won't hurt. Children don't choose to starve to death. Children don't allow that to happen. It's not their fault. Why can't God fix it?

Your answer is because we have free will and Eve screwed up. Oh well, that's that. Eve screwed up, let's go home. God's going back to Heaven and removing all his universe creating powers.

People dying of hunger is only caused by human corruption. (ie capitalism). It has nothing to do with God.Famiking

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Teenaged

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

Well, if God were real as describe in the Bible, then God is beyond our understanding, and therefore, we could never understand the motives behind his inaction against our problems.

VoodooGamer

Well I feel much better now. Let's just fling dandelions around and paint pretty rainbows everywhere because our God is too complex to understand. He gives us a set of ten basic rules to follow, but he's too complex to understand.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]

I personally think he wants to leave humans to sort out their own problems, kind of the deal we broke when Eve ate the apple: stuff won't be given to us on a silver platter now, we have to earn it.

We have to earn life? I thought it was a "God-given" right in our (America's) Constitution to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why shouldn't it be the right of starving children?

I don't remember breaking any deal either. Why didn't I get a chance in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve screwed up and now the rest of humanity has to pay for it?

Think of it this way...someone has to help those kids. A physical being has to give them food, but they are too mindless and corrupt to do so. God has promised us free will and will not disturb that by controlling that being and giving the child food, it would go against him, and lying isn't associated with perfection

Well, to me it's either part of "God's Plan" or there is no God. I believe the latter.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Theokhoth

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Astrapsody

True, but if "He" doesn't it proves that he really just doesn't care.

This all an appeal to emotion. Your argument hinges entirely on the premise that death is a bad thing, and yet you don't even think about it: what makes death bad?

All you're doing is repeating soundbites that have been going on forever as if it's something groundbreaking.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Theokhoth

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Thats an ..."easy" answer, don't you think?

Rocky32189

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

God is not required to do anything? By definition of Omnipotence, that is a true statement.

I highly doubt you have proof that God doesn't care, that people born into other cultures go to Hell, or anything else you've said.

Think of it this way...someone has to help those kids. A physical being has to give them food, but they are too mindless and corrupt to do so. God has promised us free will and will not disturb that by controlling that being and giving the child food, it would go against him, and lying isn't associated with perfection

magitekk

[QUOTE="Famiking"]People dying of hunger is only caused by human corruption. (ie capitalism). It has nothing to do with God.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Thats an ..."easy" answer, don't you think?

Teenaged

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

That does not suggest that it is wrong. "Adequacy" is subjective; no answer will be adequate. "Convenience" is irrelevant to truth.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

[QUOTE="angusclone2"] Best response I've seen in these kind of threads. I totally agree. All the bad things on Earth are because Satan tempted Eve, so when she did, Satan flooded Earth with evil, the reason why everything is screwed up.Rocky32189

Let's open up our minds for a minute, I promise, it won't hurt. Children don't choose to starve to death. Children don't allow that to happen. It's not their fault. Why can't God fix it?

Your answer is because we have free will and Eve screwed up. Oh well, that's that. Eve screwed up, let's go home. God's going back to Heaven and removing all his universe creating powers.

Tell me about it! What? You were born and raised as a Muslim, died as a Muslim, but you lived an overall "good life"? Hold on, let me check the files. . . .

Nope, sorry. Hell. What? Oh, it's just a place of eternal suffering and pain. Enjoy your stay. Next.

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

God isn't required to do anything you say He should do.

Theokhoth

True, but if "He" doesn't it proves that he really just doesn't care.

This all an appeal to emotion. Your argument hinges entirely on the premise that death is a bad thing, and yet you don't even think about it: what makes death bad?

All you're doing is repeating soundbites that have been going on forever as if it's something groundbreaking.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Easy answers aren't necessarily wrong answers.

Theokhoth

That does not suggest that it is wrong. "Adequacy" is subjective; no answer will be adequate. "Convenience" is irrelevant to truth.

You were totally avoiding the question, and you know it.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

True, but if "He" doesn't it proves that he really just doesn't care.

curtkobain

This all an appeal to emotion. Your argument hinges entirely on the premise that death is a bad thing, and yet you don't even think about it: what makes death bad?

All you're doing is repeating soundbites that have been going on forever as if it's something groundbreaking.

Every human suffers at some point in their lives. Some do suffer more than others. The same question is aksed: what makes suffering bad?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]In this case it is. At best its inadequate and totally convenient.

Astrapsody

That does not suggest that it is wrong. "Adequacy" is subjective; no answer will be adequate. "Convenience" is irrelevant to truth.

You were totally avoiding the question, and you know it.

I directly answered your question. God is not required to do a damn thing. The simplicity of that answer is purely irrelevant to whether or not it is true.

So you're trying to say God created poverty or what? Poverty is only a human creation. "Poverty" in the sense only exists amongst humans.

Famiking

[QUOTE="magitekk"]Think of it this way...someone has to help those kids. A physical being has to give them food, but they are too mindless and corrupt to do so. God has promised us free will and will not disturb that by controlling that being and giving the child food, it would go against him, and lying isn't associated with perfection

foxhound_fox

If he were to do that directly without a physical being, it would give proof of his existence. Some people believe that your entrance into heaven in based on your faith in god. If we were to have proof of him, there'd be no faith, there would be no doubt. Everyone would share the same belief

Every human suffers at some point in their lives. Some do suffer more than others. The same question is aksed: what makes suffering bad?

Theokhoth

Read Night by Elli Weisel.

[QUOTE="Famiking"]So you're trying to say God created poverty or what? Poverty is only a human creation. "Poverty" in the sense only exists amongst humans.

foxhound_fox

I created a gun.

That gun was used by somebody else to commit a crime.

Should I be punished?