Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study

There are the study results, then there are the false conclusions that people often draw from them.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Look if I took your joke incorrectly as you agreeing with her, I apologize.Barbariser

There is no need to apologize to me, especially since I was just making a very slight insult to your intelligence a few posts ago. In any case, I don't really wish to get dragged into a prolonged argument at the moment especially with this stupid quote problem screwing me over every one and a half posts. I'd just say it's a good idea not to make assumptions about what people think and leave it at that.

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]

The point is that success does not equal intelligence. All sorts of factors go into making a successful person and I'm willing to wager that nepotism is just as big a factor as any. You can create your imaginary "average" rich person that went from rags to riches based on his own "can do" attitude and intelligence, but you have still not demonstated that success equals intelligence, because it does not.

Pirate700

BY saying that "rich people at the the top" (your words) are republicans you are saying that success equals intelligence in the context of this thread. You don't consider any other possibilities for why super wealthy individuals might vote republican (cough tax breaks cough). Now you are switching to the "average well off person" for some reason, with no evidence that the average well off person even votes republican. I must return to the original comment to your post. There was too much wrong with it to begin trying to disect it. FrKnPuertoRican

You're also not considering other possibilities why they may be republicans: Love of the free market, their country, individualism, etc.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="FrKnPuertoRican"]

The point is that success does not equal intelligence. All sorts of factors go into making a successful person and I'm willing to wager that nepotism is just as big a factor as any. You can create your imaginary "average" rich person that went from rags to riches based on his own "can do" attitude and intelligence, but you have still not demonstated that success equals intelligence, because it does not.

FrKnPuertoRican

Color me surprised...

/sarcasm

and this is why i didnt bother with himBiancaDK

So success does not equal intelligence? Correct? So we can't assume that someone who is rich and votes republican does so because they are intellgent, correct? I must therefore return your attention back to the study that claims that conservatives are ignorant cavemen.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]and this is why i didnt bother with himPirate700

I need to provide evidence that the average well-off person votes republican? Seriously?

Pirate700

I'd like to see that evidence, personally. Most of the poorer states (in terms of per capita income) lean Republican.

It's odd since a basic look at life says otherwise. Successful people at the top, what are they typically? Republicans. The poor and uneducated? They typically are democrats...

Pirate700

This statement makes no sense at all.

Being poor and uneducated/=/being less intelligent.

Being successful/=/being more intelligent.

Voting Democratic/=/being a liberal. Most poor and uneducated people vote Democratic out of self-interest/self-preservation, not because they have liberal ideas. The people with the actual liberal ideals are not poor an uneducated hence the "elitist" label that conservatives try to stick to them.

Not to mention that there are plenty of poor uneducated Republicans in the South. Funnily enough, these are the people that vote Republican more out of ideology than self-interest/self-preservation.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It's odd since a basic look at life says otherwise. Successful people at the top, what are they typically? Republicans. The poor and uneducated? They typically are democrats...

GreySeal9

This statement makes no sense at all.

Being poor and uneducated/=/being less intelligent.

Being successful/=/being more intelligent.

Voting Democratic/=/being a liberal. Most poor and uneducated people vote Democratic out of self-interest/self-preservation, not because they have liberal ideas. The people with the actual liberal ideals are not poor an uneducated hence the "elitist" label that conservatives try to stick to them.

Not to mention that there are plenty of poor uneducated Republicans in the South. Funnily enough, these are the people that vote Republican more out of ideology than self-interest/self-preservation.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]and this is why i didnt bother with himBiancaDK

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]You don't bother with me? Just because we disagree on this and I asked for reasons?

Pirate700

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

It's odd since a basic look at life says otherwise. Successful people at the top, what are they typically? Republicans. The poor and uneducated? They typically are democrats...

Pirate700

This statement makes no sense at all.

Being poor and uneducated/=/being less intelligent.

Being successful/=/being more intelligent.

Voting Democratic/=/being a liberal. Most poor and uneducated people vote Democratic out of self-interest/self-preservation, not because they have liberal ideas. The people with the actual liberal ideals are not poor an uneducated hence the "elitist" label that conservatives try to stick to them.

Not to mention that there are plenty of poor uneducated Republicans in the South. Funnily enough, these are the people that vote Republican more out of ideology than self-interest/self-preservation.

First of all, you need to substantiate that, and the second of all, I never said your statements were absolute. I'm just saying that your assumption that success and intelligence are casually linked is flawed. Successful people usually get successful because of their advantages. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but a very intelligent person might not become successful because they don't have the advantages or opportunities.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] no, i do not bother with you because you seem utterly incapable of being critical of your own frame of mindBiancaDK

and this is why i didnt bother with himBiancaDK

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This statement makes no sense at all.

Being poor and uneducated/=/being less intelligent.

Being successful/=/being more intelligent.

Voting Democratic/=/being a liberal. Most poor and uneducated people vote Democratic out of self-interest/self-preservation, not because they have liberal ideas. The people with the actual liberal ideals are not poor an uneducated hence the "elitist" label that conservatives try to stick to them.

Not to mention that there are plenty of poor uneducated Republicans in the South. Funnily enough, these are the people that vote Republican more out of ideology than self-interest/self-preservation.

GreySeal9

First of all, you need to substantiate that, and the second of all, I never said your statements were absolute. I'm just saying that your assumption that success and intelligence are casually linked is flawed. Successful people usually get successful because of their advantages. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but a very intelligent person might not become successful because they don't have the advantages or opportunities.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]The problem here is you took my statement and made absolute assumptions from it. I never said rich people are automatically intelligent or poor people are, by default, stupid. I said TEND to be.

Pirate700

First of all, you need to substantiate that, and the second of all, I never said your statements were absolute. I'm just saying that your assumption that success and intelligence are casually linked is flawed. Successful people usually get successful because of their advantages. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but a very intelligent person might not become successful because they don't have the advantages or opportunities.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

You know you've been watching too many playoff games when you think this is about hockey. /facepalm

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

First of all, you need to substantiate that, and the second of all, I never said your statements were absolute. I'm just saying that your assumption that success and intelligence are casually linked is flawed. Successful people usually get successful because of their advantages. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but a very intelligent person might not become successful because they don't have the advantages or opportunities.

GreySeal9

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

So, Pirate, were you wrong to draw the conclusion that this study (claiming that conservatives are less intelligent) is incorrect because the richest among us tend to vote republican (from the faulty logic that rich people have to be intellligent)? If not, let me ask you this, have you ever been wrong in regards to anything political? If not, seek help.

My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.

Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.

So, Pirate, were you wrong to draw the conclusion that this study (claiming that conservatives are less intelligent) is incorrect because the richest among us tend to vote republican (from the faulty logic that rich people have to be intellligent)? If not, let me ask you this, have you ever been wrong in regards to anything political? If not, seek help.

FrKnPuertoRican

My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.

Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.

GreySeal9

You know you've been watching too many playoff games when you think this is about hockey. /facepalm

zeldaluff

Look, I have no issue if you don't agree with me. I just asked you to provide to reasons why you feel I'm incorrect. Instead you provided personal attacks.

Pirate700

should we count the # of times in this thread that i have said something about you that is a personal attack of your character, the # of times you've said something about me that is a personal attack on my character, and then compare numbers?

the results might surprise you

and you didn't ask me why i felt you we're incorrect, you simply told me that you were correct, remember? :) its on page 4.

now if youll excuse me

I would like to be involved in a heated argument. Someone come at me.

I would like to be involved in a heated argument. Someone come at me.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Look, I have no issue if you don't agree with me. I just asked you to provide to reasons why you feel I'm incorrect. Instead you provided personal attacks.

BiancaDK

should we count the # of times in this thread that i have said something about you that is a personal attack of your character, the # of times you've said something about me that is a personal attack on my character, and then compare numbers?

the results might surprise you

and you didn't ask me why i felt you we're incorrect, you simply told me that you were correct, remember? :) its on page 4.

now if youll excuse me

Given the massive diversity of each supposed "wing", I could see how one could attract less bright people than the other. That doesnt mean that all rigth wingers are dumb, just that some aspects of conservative philosophy can appeal to the less intelligent. The right wing tends to have policies that are anti-immigration and such, and that may appeal to certain subgroups of the population. These are probably the ones associated with the less intelligent. However, the right wing also has lots of pro-business policies which would probably appeal to the more intelligent members of its party.

I never said I was correct. I said tell me why I'm wrong. Anyway, this arguing is stupid. If I made what you see as an attack on your character, I apologize. We still friends?

Pirate700

i apologize as well if you at any point felt offended by one of my remarks, it was most likely unintentional although i wouldnt count on it

yeah we are still friends, this is just water under the mill. :)

I guess the left-wingers on GS are just an outlier. [spoiler] [/spoiler] fidosim

[QUOTE="fidosim"]I guess the left-wingers on GS are just an outlier. [spoiler] [/spoiler] -Sun_Tzu-

This is news?

Social cons, figures.

I guess the left-wingers on GS are just an outlier.

fidosim

Hehe

I guess the left-wingers on GS are just an outlier. [spoiler] [/spoiler] fidosim

Oh snap!

Did they count all of the homeless people that voted for Obama for free pizza?DaBrainz

Free pizza? Obama's giving out free pizza?

Hey everybody! Vote for Obama and get FREE PIZZA!

OBAMA! OBAMA!

Rush Limbaugh is the #1 guy on the radio.... that alone says it all

My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.

Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.

GreySeal9

Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.

Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.

Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.

Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.

Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.

Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.

br0kenrabbit

Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.

Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?

Also going into physics, also tend to lean toward liberal points of view. Generally I'm independent in my political views, but I'm much, much closer to the left than I am to the right.

well derp how hard is that to figure out. they systematically use the teachings of jesus to deny groups of people human rights. i mean come on, how thick do you have to be to do that?