It's really laughable to assume open-mindedness = intelligence. And just as laughable to assume left-wingers are open-minded.
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It's really laughable to assume open-mindedness = intelligence. And just as laughable to assume left-wingers are open-minded.
[QUOTE="greeneye59"]
It's really laughable to assume open-mindedness = intelligence. And just as laughable to assume left-wingers are open-minded.
And even more laughable to assume that right-wingers are open-minded.
And the most laughable to think that I am open minded.I used to roll with a gang of physicists.sonicare
How did you all manage to get together? I thought physicists could tell you the time or the place to meet, but not both?
/me wonders how many heads that will go over.
[QUOTE="sonicare"] I used to roll with a gang of physicists.br0kenrabbit
How did you all manage to get together? I thought physicists could tell you the time or the place to meet, but not both?
/me wonders how many heads that will go over.
:nice:
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.
Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.
br0kenrabbit
Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.
Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?
Wait, you're referencing a lab that's very survival is based on pushing a green energy agenda and you think the reason they are liberal is because they are physicists?[QUOTE="greeneye59"]
It's really laughable to assume open-mindedness = intelligence. And just as laughable to assume left-wingers are open-minded.
bub166
And even more laughable to assume that right-wingers are open-minded.
No one is open-minded. Everyone has standards they will not compromise on or beliefs or prejudices.
[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.
Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.
DaBrainz
Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.
Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?
Wait, you're referencing a lab that's very survival is based on pushing a green energy agenda and you think the reason they are liberal is because they are physicists?He's referencing the correlation of intelligence and liberalism. The previous poster said "but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math," though with his example, it seems the opposite.
Also, that joke about the time or place to meet is hilarious.
[QUOTE="bub166"]
[QUOTE="greeneye59"]
It's really laughable to assume open-mindedness = intelligence. And just as laughable to assume left-wingers are open-minded.
greeneye59
And even more laughable to assume that right-wingers are open-minded.
No one is open-minded. Everyone has standards they will not compromise on.
Agreed.
[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
My own opinion is that rightwingers and leftwingers typically display different sorts of intelligence. I'm not going to pretend this is scientific because I'm just talking about the people I know in real life (mostly at my university), but rightwingers tend to have more of a concrete intelligence suited to math and business and what not whereas leftwingers tend to have more of a nuanced intelligence (they tend to see the world in shades of grey whereas conservatives see the world in a more black and white way), more suited to things like sociology and creative types of studies.
Again, there are plenty of exceptions, and this is not scientific, but this what I usually observe.
DaBrainz
Living near the Y-12 National Security Complex and Oak Ridge National Laboratory (both are heavily involved in nuclear research) I know A LOT of physicists. To a one, they are all liberals.
Empirical evidence? Perhaps, but how many physicists do you know?
Wait, you're referencing a lab that's very survival is based on pushing a green energy agenda and you think the reason they are liberal is because they are physicists?Haha if you think ORNL is primarily focused on green energy. Yes, they have a bioenergy department, but it's a small sub-set of the whole complex.
I'm gonna cheat and post a quote from Wiki:
Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) is a multiprogram science and technology national laboratory managed for the United States Department of Energy (DOE) by UT-Battelle. ORNL is the largest science and energy national laboratory in the Department of Energy system.[1] ORNL is located in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, near Knoxville. ORNL's scientific programs focus on materials, neutron science, energy, high-performance computing, systems biology and national security.
ORNL partners with the state of Tennessee, universities and industries to solve challenges in energy, advanced materials, manufacturing, security and physics.
The laboratory is home to several of the world?s top supercomputers and is a leading neutron science and nuclear energy research facility that includes the Spallation Neutron Source and High Flux Isotope Reactor. ORNL hosts the Titan supercomputer; the Center for Nanophase Materials Sciences, the BioEnergy Science Center, and the *Consortium for Advanced Simulation of Light-Water Reactors.
More conservatives are closed-minded
Closed-mindedness means less open to new ideas
Less open to new ideas means less being learnedWHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?
Necrifer
LoL, I am guessing you did not read the article? Nice try though.
Not saying this is true, but the whole anti-science campaign the right has been waging does make them look stupid.
Being anti minority and anti gay screams ignorance as well.
To be honest looking at some of the republican candidates I don't find it all that difficult believe. That said correlation does not imply causation and there's probably a study out there that says the exact opposite.
To be honest looking at some of the republican candidates I don't find it all that difficult believe. That said correlation does not imply causation and there's probably a study out there that says the exact opposite.
Moriarity_
This is probably the most intelligent reply I've seen in this thread.
When you have this kind of people on your political side, the average intelligence is no doubt going to go down.
Why Teaching People to Think for Themselves Is Repugnant to Religious Zealots and Rick Santorum
http://www.alternet.org/story/154312/why_teaching_people_to_think_for_themselves_ is_repugnant_to_religious_zealots_and_rick_santorum
Right-wing fundamentalists such as Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum hate public schools, which he suggests are government schools wedded to doing the work of Satan, dressed up in the garb of the Enlightenment. Santorum, true to his love affair with the very secular ideology of privatization, prefers home schooling, which is code for people taking responsibility for whatever social issues or problems they may face, whether it be finding the best education for their children or securing decent health care.
Actually, Santorum and many of his allies dislike any public institution that enables people to think critically and act with a degree of responsibility toward the public. This is one reason why they hate any notion of public education, which harbors the promise, if not the threat, of actually educating students to be thoughtful, self-reflective and capable of questioning so-called common sense and holding power accountable. Of course, some progressives see this as simply another example of how the right wing of the Republican Party seems to think that being stupid is in. But there is more going on here than the issue of whether right-wing fundamentalists are intellectually and politically challenged. What makes critical education, especially, so dangerous to radical Christian evangelicals, neoconservatives and right-wing nationalists in the United States today is that, central to its very definition, is the task of educating students to become critical agents who can actively question and negotiate the relationships between individual troubles and public issues. In other words, students who can lead rather than follow, embrace reasoned arguments over opinions and reject common sense as the engine of truth.
What Santorum and his allies realize is that democracy cannot function without an informed citizenry and that, in the absence of such a citizenry, we have a public disinvested from either thinking reflectively or acting responsibly. There is nothing more feared by this group of fundamentalists than individuals who can actually think critically and reflectively and are willing to invest in reason and freedom rather than a crude moralism and a reductionistic appeal to faith as the ultimate basis of agency and politics. What Santorum and his appeal to theocracy longs for is a crowd of followers willing to lose themselves in causes and movements that trade in clichés and common sense. This is the Tea Party crowd with their overt racism, dislike for critical thought and longing for outlets through which they can vent their anger, moral panics and hatred for those who reject their rigid Manichean view of the world. This is a crowd that embraces the likes of Santorum and other fundamentalists because they provide the outlets in which such groups can fulfill their desire to be amused by what might be called the spectacle of anti-politics.
On topic I'd imagine a study can show whatever you want it to show Intelligent and not so intelligent in all political parties.LJS9502_basicEr how, exactly? I mean, are you accusing them of simply fabricating data, or what?
I think any one who is a political radical is an idiot, I have met just as many stupid and ignorant left wingers (like the TC for example) as I have right wingers.
And anyone who believes every study they read (especially this kind) obviously lacks in the IQ department. Conservatives are not "bad" or "racist" or "stupid, and niether are liberals, people who think like that are the reason why our country will never improve and just keep divinding.
It's no longer a person who simply disagrees with me but can still get along, it's now they are the "bad guys" they are "the enemies" they are "less intelligent" they are "evil", such black and white thinking is bad for us, and only stupid people (like the TC) believe it.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]On topic I'd imagine a study can show whatever you want it to show Intelligent and not so intelligent in all political parties.Funky_LlamaEr how, exactly? I mean, are you accusing them of simply fabricating data, or what?
He's too busy not caring to reply.
[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"]
LoL, I am guessing you did not read the article? Nice try though.
Necrifer
I was making a conclusion.
Yeah, but you should read the article vefore you do that :)
Yeah, I mean what kind of an idiot allows rigorous scientific evidence to override uneducated gut feeling?Studies say that people that listen to studies too much are less intelligent than those that can form their own opinions.
CHOASXIII
There is nothing inherently wrong with radicals. This country was founded and made great by radicals.I think any one who is a political radical is an idiot, I have met just as many stupid and ignorant left wingers (like the TC for example) as I have right wingers.
And anyone who believes every study they read (especially this kind) obviously lacks in the IQ department. Conservatives are not "bad" or "racist" or "stupid, and niether are liberals, people who think like that are the reason why our country will never improve and just keep divinding.
It's no longer a person who simply disagrees with me but can still get along, it's now they are the "bad guys" they are "the enemies" they are "less intelligent" they are "evil", such black and white thinking is bad for us, and only stupid people (like the TC) believe it.
ShadowMoses900
Eating several eggs a day is bad for you, says study. Men are more intelligent than women, says study. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics, said Benjamin Disraeli.FrozenLiquid
Great post, there are literally millions of stupid "studies" out there that serve no real purpose but to push an agenda and to reaffirm those in the same camp. You can find studies done about anything, you shouldn't belive every study you come across.
[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]Yeah, I mean what kind of an idiot allows rigorous scientific evidence to override uneducated gut feeling?Studies say that people that listen to studies too much are less intelligent than those that can form their own opinions.
Funky_Llama
This is exactly what came to mind when I read his post.
Don't try injecting common sense into this forum. It will not be well received.I think any one who is a political radical is an idiot, I have met just as many stupid and ignorant left wingers (like the TC for example) as I have right wingers.
And anyone who believes every study they read (especially this kind) obviously lacks in the IQ department. Conservatives are not "bad" or "racist" or "stupid, and niether are liberals, people who think like that are the reason why our country will never improve and just keep divinding.
It's no longer a person who simply disagrees with me but can still get along, it's now they are the "bad guys" they are "the enemies" they are "less intelligent" they are "evil", such black and white thinking is bad for us, and only stupid people (like the TC) believe it.
ShadowMoses900
Here I found a study that says the opposite, it says liberals have low IQ's and are bad at reserach, it's also related to the topic.
Low IQ & Liberal Beliefs Linked - Study says
Please be aware that I do NOT believe this study, I just posted it to make a point: That there are "studies" for EVERYTHING and the truly smart people know to be criticle of things they hear.
Shhhhhh. They will make you disappear if you say anymore.Here I found a study that says the opposite, it says liberals have low IQ's and are bad at reserach, it's also related to the topic.
Low IQ & Liberal Beliefs Linked - Study says
Please be aware that I do NOT believe this study, I just posted it to make a point: That there are "studies" for EVERYTHING and the truly smart people know to be criticle of things they hear.
ShadowMoses900
Great post, there are literally millions of stupid "studies" out there that serve no real purpose but to push an agenda and to reaffirm those in the same camp. You can find studies done about anything, you shouldn't belive every study you come across.
ShadowMoses900
It's difficult to create a succinct counterargument to what you're saying here, because it's a veiled attack on the credibility of the study discussed in this thread masquerading as a complaint about an epidemic of biased studies, wrapped within the false assumption that such an epidemic exists.
What's really going on is that you don't like the conclusion of the study and thus you've claimed, without any substantiation, that it lacks credibility.
Here I found a study that says the opposite, it says liberals have low IQ's and are bad at reserach, it's also related to the topic.
Low IQ & Liberal Beliefs Linked - Study says
Please be aware that I do NOT believe this study, I just posted it to make a point: That there are "studies" for EVERYTHING and the truly smart people know to be criticle of things they hear.
ShadowMoses900
That doesn't link to a study at all. It links to some guy's blog.
[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]There is nothing inherently wrong with radicals. This country was founded and made great by radicals. Ya radicals like Thomas Paine. O wait he went to France when the revolution actually started.I think any one who is a political radical is an idiot, I have met just as many stupid and ignorant left wingers (like the TC for example) as I have right wingers.
And anyone who believes every study they read (especially this kind) obviously lacks in the IQ department. Conservatives are not "bad" or "racist" or "stupid, and niether are liberals, people who think like that are the reason why our country will never improve and just keep divinding.
It's no longer a person who simply disagrees with me but can still get along, it's now they are the "bad guys" they are "the enemies" they are "less intelligent" they are "evil", such black and white thinking is bad for us, and only stupid people (like the TC) believe it.
-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]There is nothing inherently wrong with radicals. This country was founded and made great by radicals. Ya radicals like Thomas Paine. O wait he went to France when the revolution actually started. Only because he had more revolutions to instigate >_>I think any one who is a political radical is an idiot, I have met just as many stupid and ignorant left wingers (like the TC for example) as I have right wingers.
And anyone who believes every study they read (especially this kind) obviously lacks in the IQ department. Conservatives are not "bad" or "racist" or "stupid, and niether are liberals, people who think like that are the reason why our country will never improve and just keep divinding.
It's no longer a person who simply disagrees with me but can still get along, it's now they are the "bad guys" they are "the enemies" they are "less intelligent" they are "evil", such black and white thinking is bad for us, and only stupid people (like the TC) believe it.
fidosim
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Vuurk"]Both left and right wings suck. Classical Liberalism / Libertarianism is where it's at. VuurkWhich is right wing... uhhh no. Yes it is. There's left-wing libertarianism (democratic/libertarian socialism, anarcho-communism, ect) and right-wing libertarianism (what you simply refer to as "libertarianism"), which is made up of minarchism, anarcho capitalism, ect. Libertarianism has never been divorced from the political spectrum.
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