Science Vs. Religion

is this a joke?

because if you're not this will only result in a silly repetitive claim that science disproves god where it actually doesn't.....

Science proves many bible stories impossible. Religion is a joke.

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Loonie

I take the Bible seriously

Well someone should tell John boy that god could have created the universe through the laws we know.....

being the creator of the universe and all.....

If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. krystians

[QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Lonelynight

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Loonie

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

If people who are religious, believe God created the universe.krystians

Scientologists don't. Flawed logic right there.

Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science?krystians

Because Science is compulsory.

I know more than half of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?krystians

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Lonelynight

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

Its in the old testament and according to these parts of the bible christians have to follow both old and new testaments:

"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. " Psalm 119:151-2

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Total-KO

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Loonie

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

Its in the old testament and according to these parts of the bible christians have to follow both old and new testaments:

"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. " Psalm 119:151-2

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Loonie

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

Don't tell me what I meant to say. That's extremely patronising.

You can believe in both BECAUSE they are mutually exclusive. Think about it. If neither conflict with each other (mutually exclusive) then there is no issue in believiing in both.

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Total-KO

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

Don't tell me what I meant to say. That's extremely patronising.

You can believe in both BECAUSE they are mutually exclusive. Think about it. If neither conflict with each other (mutually exclusive) then there is no issue in believiing in both.

Mutually exclusive means you cannot believe in both. Which is why I corrected you.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Loonie

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

Don't tell me what I meant to say. That's extremely patronising.

You can believe in both BECAUSE they are mutually exclusive. Think about it. If neither conflict with each other (mutually exclusive) then there is no issue in believiing in both.

Mutually exclusive means you cannot believe in both. Which is why I corrected you.

Mutually exclusive has absolutely nothing to do with belief. It's a term used in statistics stating when two or more situations have absolutely no effect or bearing on the other.

Mutually exclusive has absolutely nothing to do with belief. It's a term used in statistics stating when two or more situations have absolutely no effect or bearing on the other.

Total-KO

Definitions of mutually exclusive on the Web:
# In two events, if the occurrence of one is incompatible with the occurrence of the other, (they can't both happen at once)

You meant they are not mutually exclusive, which means you can believe in both at the same time. This is why i corrected you, I was actually trying to be helpful.

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

Lonelynight

I just showed you quotes from the NT that said you should follow the OT. This is what I mean when people pick and choose what they take from the bible.

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. The two aren't mutually exclusive.jim_shorts

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

Loonie

I just showed you quotes from the NT that said you should follow the OT. This is what I mean when people pick and choose what they take from the bible.

That's very true. Ifpeople are going to follow the bible aren't they kind of obligated to follow the whole thing and not just parts?

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

Loonie

I just showed you quotes from the NT that said you should follow the OT. This is what I mean when people pick and choose what they take from the bible.

You quoted one passage from the New Testament, the other two were from the Old...What Jesus was saying in Matthew was that you shouldn't take anything out from the bible nor add anything in. Jot and tittle are letters, words, punctuation. And while Jesus said we ought to follow the Ten Commandments, I don't believe all the laws in the Old Testament apply to today. What applies to Christians today is Jesus and his teaching amongst other things.

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Religion and Science are mutually exclusive.

Loonie

If they are mutually exclusive then you cannot believe in both.

I think you meant to say they are not mutually exclusive :)

That's your opinion/belief, therefore not fact. You can believe in both but that doesn't mean that both of them are true

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

Lonelynight

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

Its in the old testament and according to these parts of the bible christians have to follow both old and new testaments:

"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. " Psalm 119:151-2

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

The Bible contradicts itself which is why you shouldn't take it seriously

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Mutually exclusive has absolutely nothing to do with belief. It's a term used in statistics stating when two or more situations have absolutely no effect or bearing on the other.

Loonie

Definitions of mutually exclusive on the Web:
# In two events, if the occurrence of one is incompatible with the occurrence of the other, (they can't both happen at once)

You meant they are not mutually exclusive, which means you can believe in both at the same time. This is why i corrected you, I was actually trying to be helpful.

They are mutually exclusive. That is what I meant. I still can believe in both. Jees, what part of that can't you comprehend?

My definition of mutually exclusive is a more precise description of your web's source.

[QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]

Mutually exclusive has absolutely nothing to do with belief. It's a term used in statistics stating when two or more situations have absolutely no effect or bearing on the other.

Total-KO

Definitions of mutually exclusive on the Web:
# In two events, if the occurrence of one is incompatible with the occurrence of the other, (they can't both happen at once)

You meant they are not mutually exclusive, which means you can believe in both at the same time. This is why i corrected you, I was actually trying to be helpful.

They are mutually exclusive. That is what I meant. I still can believe in both. Jees, what part of that can't you comprehend?

My definition of mutually exclusive is a more precise description of your web's source.

No offense intended,but I think you may be confused on that definition.

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

There is a difference between taking the bible seriously (in that it has many teachings and lessons that can and shoudl be applied to life) and taking the Bible literally (taking every word and contridiction as fact.

The Bible is not literal, taking a work such as the Bible literally can lead to problems. The Belief in religion (you say Religion, but really, this is more about Christianity it seems) does not negate a belief in science or evolution. I hate this arguement, mainly because unless you are someone who understands that the two are not mutually exclusive it really cannot be explained to you. Arguemnts that stem from this subject are difficult to have (especially via the internet) and sadly the opinions mentioned in them are often ill informed and ignorant.

I get a huge kick when someone tries to disprove evolution or a belief in God. Someone asked me (a Religious studies proffesor at my Uni actually, they posed the question to the class) "If evolution was real, and we came from monkeys why do we still have monkeys?" Wow, it was a tough decision to try and bite my tongue, how do you respond to that? Obviosuly the person is ill informed and i simply do not have time to explain the whole concept of evolution, but non the less, peopel believe they can disprove the theory, guess what, if you dont ''get'' the theory, you'll never disprove it.

If someone wants to disprove evolution (or anythign science related really) to me, fien, present some solid evidence and go from there, but pullign out the religion card or busting out some false information isn't going to do it.

If someone wants to disprove God to me? You're not goign to do it, it is faith. Faith is something above science, you can't touch it. People say they don't believe in God because there is no evidence? Fine. Don't. Someone who does beleive isn't goign to be able to prove anythign to you, you can't prove faith, you can't disprove it either.

If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?krystians

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

hojobojo

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

Its in the old testament and according to these parts of the bible christians have to follow both old and new testaments:

"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. " Psalm 119:151-2

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

The Bible contradicts itself which is why you shouldn't take it seriously

The Bible has no contradictions on main points which is the important thing. the bible never contradicts without possible explanation on stories or the life,death, resurrection of Jesus. It never contradicts that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Oh for the love of--

SCIENCE HAS

NOT

PROVEN RELIGION WRONG!!!

In fact, science has proven much of the Bible to be CORRECT!!!

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. The two aren't mutually exclusive.jim_shorts

If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Decessus

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Loonie"]

Well there are certain parents who dont want their kids taught evolution. Some crazies actually take the bible literally, which is quite problamatic if you actually read the bible.

But by and large most christians are sort of half hearted christians. They like the bit about god, jesus, heaven and the good samaritan but most just ignore the parts that talk about whoring your daughter.

hojobojo

I take the Bible seriously

Even this bit:

31:14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

?

Those were written for the Isreal people

Its in the old testament and according to these parts of the bible christians have to follow both old and new testaments:

"Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever. " Psalm 119:151-2

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:18-19

Yes, but some of the things are change in the new testament like the one that says you must love your enemies

The Bible contradicts itself which is why you shouldn't take it seriously

The Bible contradicts itself, where?

How can you believe that the first two people on earth were Adam and Eve, and then go to school and learn about the evolutionary theory. Which one is telling the truth? So you go to church on Sunday's, but then Monday to Friday you are learning something totally different. If you are following the bible you should not belive what you are learning in school, cause that just goes against what you belive.

krystians

Because Adam and Eve were not real people?

Or maybe because Adam and Eve are compatible with evolution?

Ignorance.:roll:

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?syorks

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?krystians

People cannot see.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Silver_Dragon17

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

In what way is reason used?

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

[QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="krystians"]If people who are religious, believe God created the universe. Then why don't we not see like a huge portion of the population who is religious not letting their kids take science? I know more thenhalf of all my classes contain religious people, but everyone one of then is studying science, and don't they see something weird about their religion and the fact that science is proving then wrong?Decessus

Science doesn't prove religion wrong. Give me 5 examples of science proving the Christina bible wrong. Try to i dare you.

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These passages are in direct contradiction to scientific knowledge. The sun is a necessary component of photosynthesis, so it is impossible that the plants were around before the sun was.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1203.asp

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/4viewsofcreation.shtml?main

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Decessus"]If science has a foundation based on reason, and religion's foundation is based on faith, how are they not mutually exculsive?Decessus

Because religion is not based entirely on faith. . . .there's quite a bit of reasoning involved. Religious people aren't mindless drones that are incapable of rationality.

In what way is reason used?

What do you mean?

is it just the european media thats wrong ordo a large part of the american porpulation belive in god?

here in scandinavia most of us as moved on, and realized that the bible is just WAY off. oh not just scandinavia but most of europe. guess you guys just need more time to catch up to us in that matter

kagemand

And which of the two countries is making all the advancements in science and knowledge?