Should drugs be legalized?

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="thegerg"] " Rehabilitation in itself would reduce crime regardless of decriminalization but the reverse based on your article is not a reality." WTF are you talking about? I never claimed that the reverse of "rehabilitation in itself would reduce crime regardless of decriminalization" is reality.thegerg

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]First off, saying "dealers steal from non-users" implies that the normal dealer is going to steal from non-users, just like if I said "dogs have four legs it implies that normal dogs are going to have four legs. As for your question, no, I'm not a dealer. I'm just pointing out that your statement about thieves was completely irrelevant to the topic. Tons of people steal things, whether they're a drug dealer or not.CreasianDevaili

I'm not denying that drug dealers have stolen things. But I fail to see how that is relevant to the legalization of drugs being bad. If anything, legalizing drugs would stop drug dealers from stealing because they would be legitimate businessmen and would have no reason to break the law, whereas now they're already breaking some laws so why not break more by stealing.

Drugs are tricky for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that many of the harder drugs have ingredients that can permanently damage the user from 1 use.

This isn't every drug, but to just open the door to all of the more dangerous drugs would be ill-advised and cause a lot more problems than it would solve.

I'm all for Marijuana. I've taken a drugs and pharmaceuticals class and I know the repercussions of most common drugs. Marijuana would be the only thing I could think of and maybe mushrooms that wouldn't have the potential to cause irreversible harm to the user in a controlled environment. It's the only drug I stand by and would approve of at this point.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]First off, saying "dealers steal from non-users" implies that the normal dealer is going to steal from non-users, just like if I said "dogs have four legs it implies that normal dogs are going to have four legs. As for your question, no, I'm not a dealer. I'm just pointing out that your statement about thieves was completely irrelevant to the topic. Tons of people steal things, whether they're a drug dealer or not.ROFLCOPTER603

I'm not denying that drug dealers have stolen things. But I fail to see how that is relevant to the legalization of drugs being bad. If anything, legalizing drugs would stop drug dealers from stealing because they would be legitimate businessmen and would have no reason to break the law, whereas now they're already breaking some laws so why not break more by stealing.

[QUOTE="ROFLCOPTER603"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] True. Enough dogs have four legs, and enough dealers have stolen, to acknowledge that it is mostly a fact but not absolute. Some dogs have three legs. I've seen it. I know it. But if someone asked me how many legs dogs have I'd still say 4. But I still know not all of them do. Also yes, many people do steal. But we are talking about drugs, which includes dealers. Just because so many from many demographics, religions, ethnics, and age groups steal does not mean it is unfair to say someone steals. CreasianDevaili

I'm not denying that drug dealers have stolen things. But I fail to see how that is relevant to the legalization of drugs being bad. If anything, legalizing drugs would stop drug dealers from stealing because they would be legitimate businessmen and would have no reason to break the law, whereas now they're already breaking some laws so why not break more by stealing.

Why wouldn't any dealer be able to sell? If they're felons, that means that they've been caught and their operation is over, so they're not selling regardless of whether or not they do it legally. If they're not felons, and they never got caught, then they just apply for a permit or whatever would be needed and resume their operation legally.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]so then you want to make alcohol illegal?mingmao3046

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

No. If you have your drugs fine, do it. I don't mind marajuana, but if they made it legal, we would have a nation of potheads and morons. Keep it illegal

mingmao3046

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

No. If you have your drugs fine, do it. I don't mind marajuana, but if they made it legal, we would have a nation of potheads and morons. Keep it illegal

mingmao3046

Are you freakin serious.

If we made say speeding legal, I'm sure alot more people would do it.

No.

It's as simple as that.

No.

It's as simple as that.

soulless4now

I think legalizing everything will put an insane burden on society, especially in regards to healthcare costs.

Marijuana I can understand and agree with, but having to pay the bills of someone who overdoses on heroin is not my idea of a good system.

Hmm, I'm not 100% for, some drugs should never be legalized, like the new synthetic drug called Crocodile that after just one hit causes severe damage to human body: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html other synthetic drugs as well. But I am for legalizing marihuana and several other organic drugs, Netherlands and several other countries did well when they legalized drugs. Number of users declined as the prices went up and it was legal, which put most of the criminals and drug dealers out of work lowering crime rate significantly... there are good sides and bad sides, in my opinion it is a question of what is best for the users, they will get it one way or the other, if they get it in the streets it is more danger for their health, by offering certain drugs in a legal manner you also take care of addicted people and their health, by doing that countries can lower side effects and mortality rates...

PS. I am a strong believer that legalizing drugs will not make people to quit them like some think, but it will lower crime rate and help with certain health issues that governments should be concerned about. Netherlands also lowered the number of narcotic transmitted diseases with legalization.

Hmm, I'm not 100% for, some drugs should never be legalized, like the new synthetic drug called Crocodile that after just one hit causes severe damage to human body: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html other synthetic drugs as well. But I am for legalizing marihuana and several other organic drugs, Netherlands and several other countries did well when they legalized drugs. Number of users declined as the prices went up and it was legal, which put most of the criminals and drug dealers out of work lowering crime rate significantly... there are good sides and bad sides, in my opinion it is a question of what is best for the users, they will get it one way or the other, if they get it in the streets it is more danger for their health, by offering certain drugs in a legal manner you also take care of addicted people and their health, by doing that countries can lower side effects and mortality rates...

PS. I am a strong believer that legalizing drugs will not make people to quit them like some think, but it will lower crime rate and help with certain health issues that governments should be concerned about. Netherlands also lowered the number of narcotic transmitted diseases with legalization.

tschooduck

Why should society have to take care of other's who apparently don't take care of themselves?

LJS9502_basic

This is my major problem, though not in the context of the person you quoted.

I really don't want to have to deal with paying even more for people to OD.

[QUOTE="tschooduck"]

Hmm, I'm not 100% for, some drugs should never be legalized, like the new synthetic drug called Crocodile that after just one hit causes severe damage to human body: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/krokodil-the-drug-that-eats-junkies-2300787.html other synthetic drugs as well. But I am for legalizing marihuana and several other organic drugs, Netherlands and several other countries did well when they legalized drugs. Number of users declined as the prices went up and it was legal, which put most of the criminals and drug dealers out of work lowering crime rate significantly... there are good sides and bad sides, in my opinion it is a question of what is best for the users, they will get it one way or the other, if they get it in the streets it is more danger for their health, by offering certain drugs in a legal manner you also take care of addicted people and their health, by doing that countries can lower side effects and mortality rates...

PS. I am a strong believer that legalizing drugs will not make people to quit them like some think, but it will lower crime rate and help with certain health issues that governments should be concerned about. Netherlands also lowered the number of narcotic transmitted diseases with legalization.

LJS9502_basic

This is a too general question? Indeed, why? Why not? They take care of patients that have AIDS, a man made disease... The ideal answer in a perfect world would be because that way we can get better as a society and lower the costs that government spend. But I am not an idealist and this is just an opinion, on the other hand someone should really do the math, how much money is invested into fighting drug related crime and already curing addiction and fighting it, and how much money would be spent if the drugs are legalized. If you think about it, if drugs are legalized then people pay for them, so there is your funding, maybe it would even be less of a stress on your taxes, as you do pay for fights against drug crime already...

I say no, just because I like to see pot-heads get all worked up and bent out of shape when efforts to legalize it fails.

I say no, just because I like to see pot-heads get all worked up and bent out of shape when efforts to legalize it fails.

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

I say no, just because I like to see pot-heads get all worked up and bent out of shape when efforts to legalize it fails.

Mephers3

Based on my own experiences growing up, there is one argument that the anti-drug crowd uses that I think is ridiculous.

"Marijuana should be illegal because it is a gateway drug to harder ones."

When I was in High School, we would either find a place that would sell us beer without I.D.'s or we would find an older person that would buy it for us. There weren't any harder drugs around the store.

However, because pot was not sold in ANY legal establishment, when we would go to buy some, it often involved going to some dealers apartment (or van) where SO MANY TIMES other drugs were up for sale in addition to pot.

If the gateway argument is a serious one, then making pot legal removes that gateway, in my opinion.

Based on my own experiences growing up, there is one argument that the anti-drug crowd uses that I think is ridiculous.

"Marijuana should be illegal because it is a gateway drug to harder ones."

When I was in High School, we would either find a place that would sell us beer without I.D.'s or we would find an older person that would buy it for us. There weren't any harder drugs around the store.

However, because pot was not sold in ANY legal establishment, when we would go to buy some, it often involved going to some dealers apartment (or van) where SO MANY TIMES other drugs were up for sale in addition to pot.

If the gateway argument is a serious one, then making pot legal removes that gateway, in my opinion.

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Mephers3"][QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

I say no, just because I like to see pot-heads get all worked up and bent out of shape when efforts to legalize it fails.

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="Mephers3"] Yeah dont forget about those poor medical patients being denied medicine. Its hilarious to see innocent and sick people being criminalized and locked up.Mephers3

[QUOTE="Mephers3"]

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]People in plenty of places still legally get "medical" marijuana. So you are either uninformed, or one of the peoplewhom "get all worked up and bent out of shape when efforts to legalize it fails" that I mentioned, it appears.

Planet_Pluto

[QUOTE="Planet_Pluto"]

[QUOTE="Mephers3"]

Irony is you trying to label other people uninformed, Medicial patients are still being arrested for breaking the law and criminilized for trying to get help by breaking local laws.

Mephers3

Anyway, the remarkably short article states, "One man says he was pulled over by Gilbert police late one night and despite having only a half ounce of cannabis in clearly labeled baggies and a valid Arizona medical marijuana card – which allows patients to posses up to 2 1/2 ounces of marijuana – he was taken to jail." May I ask what he was pulled over for? What were the charges? Any indication in the article that it was solely for the pot? I find it hard to believe that the cops ride around with X-ray vision to see if he had pot in the car.

The article also mentions "a raid of a business where legal patients sell medicine to other legal patients". What I'm not sure is, just because a patient is legally allowed to purchase/possess, does that person also have a legal right to distribute?

of couse they should the damage done by criminals far outstrips the damage done by drugs.

alcohol is the only drug that if you are heavily addicted to it and stop cold turkey can be fatal (35% mortality untreated) and it is legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens

what sense does it make for booze to be legal when less harmful drugs like heroin and cocaine are illegal?

this is just one more example of people having an opinion about things and basing their judgements on things without really knowing the reality of the situation.

Based on my own experiences growing up, there is one argument that the anti-drug crowd uses that I think is ridiculous.

"Marijuana should be illegal because it is a gateway drug to harder ones."

When I was in High School, we would either find a place that would sell us beer without I.D.'s or we would find an older person that would buy it for us. There weren't any harder drugs around the store.

However, because pot was not sold in ANY legal establishment, when we would go to buy some, it often involved going to some dealers apartment (or van) where SO MANY TIMES other drugs were up for sale in addition to pot.

If the gateway argument is a serious one, then making pot legal removes that gateway, in my opinion.

Planet_Pluto

Right on :) I agree

No, drugs should not be legalized. We have enough problems as it is.

Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.mingmao3046

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.Capitan_Kid

Alcohol is benefitial if taken moderately.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] tobacco does nothing but destroy people. should that be illegal?Ilovegames1992

Alcohol is benefitial if taken moderately.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Drugs are foolish items and Im glad they are illegal. They do nothing but destroy people.Capitan_Kid