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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.SmashBrosLegend

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

And even then, why should I believe you?

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#52 Marx_Brother

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im noticing people are saying that because some people arent matching up with the rest of society, that we should treat them like kings.im_very_kind

Describing limited welfare handouts as treating them "like kings" is the biggest exaggeration since the bible.

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#53 sutherland19

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[QUOTE="sutherland19"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Nope Smash is quite far off. No one CHOOSES to be poor, sure there are some people who do slack off in highschool and are now paying for it for the rest of their lives...which isn't really fair. But there are also people that no matter how hard they try they can't get ahead, meanwhile the rich live in luxury buying millions of dollars worth of things that they don't need at all...now I know that is definitely not fair...but unfortunately that's Capitialism!

too bad ive met lots of people who choose to be poor. are you even out of highschool or college yet? jesus christ you are ignorant. i slacked off in highschool and im not poor, i didnt even goto college yet and yes i live on my own. capitalism makes sense. the fact is, some people want to ride the system. dont believe me? take a look at hurricane katrina. what was the number one thing bought (this was on all the news stations not too long ago im sure you can google it) take a wild guess. well it was girls gone wild. ive met tons and tons of people who choose to live off of welfare, and yet they still b/tch about capitalism, when theyre getting handouts.

90% of the wealth controlled in 10% of the population makes sense? (That's just an example, not saying that's the actual numbers) Capitalism doesn't make sense, few governments do. Capitalism is designed to always have a portion of the population living in poverty, that doesn't make sense to me.

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#54 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.tycoonmike

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

so what exactly is your point? that people in ghettos should be doctors? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL :):):):):):):):):)))::):):):):)):):)):) we're talking about getting by here, not being rich.

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#55 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="Shalashaska77"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="sutherland19"]In our current Capitalist society no they shouldn't HAVE to. But they shouldn't be paid so much money in the first place so that there is more money to go to the minimum wage workers who are just barely getting by. sutherland19

How about, minimum wage workers should find better jobs.

How about the fact that minimum wage workers usually don't have enough money to get the training for better jobs? One must invest money to make money, and if you haven't got enough capital, in the form of paper or electronic money, then the world pretty much says "F*** you!" to you.

there is always a way. Not always easy, or even feasible to try, but theres always a way.

Is it fair that it's so much easier for a wealthy person to find better jobs then someone working minimum wage?

Life isnt fair mr. communist. We live in a capitalistic society and there's no changing that. Anyway, my family gives in excess of $15K a year to charity. My father grew up in a very average family. Not poor, but not wealthy by any means. He worked two jobs since he was 14 to be able to afford college and have money for his free time. He couldnt afford to go to the University of Pennsylvania because his parents refused to pay for college. He went to a state school which he paid for himself. He is the former CEO of a publicly traded company worth almost $2 Billion. Dont say people dont have opportunities or at least dont have the ability to better their lives. That's a fallacy.

EDIT: He's also a lawyer and a CPA.

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#56 SmashBrosLegend

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.tycoonmike

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

So you basically said that being a real estate agent is not hard. OK, then why don't all poor people become real estate agents? Thought so. Also, what is so hard about being a scholar?

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#57 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="sutherland19"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.sutherland19

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Nope Smash is quite far off. No one CHOOSES to be poor, sure there are some people who do slack off in highschool and are now paying for it for the rest of their lives...which isn't really fair. But there are also people that no matter how hard they try they can't get ahead, meanwhile the rich live in luxury buying millions of dollars worth of things that they don't need at all...now I know that is definitely not fair...but unfortunately that's Capitialism!

too bad ive met lots of people who choose to be poor. are you even out of highschool or college yet? jesus christ you are ignorant. i slacked off in highschool and im not poor, i didnt even goto college yet and yes i live on my own. capitalism makes sense. the fact is, some people want to ride the system. dont believe me? take a look at hurricane katrina. what was the number one thing bought (this was on all the news stations not too long ago im sure you can google it) take a wild guess. well it was girls gone wild. ive met tons and tons of people who choose to live off of welfare, and yet they still b/tch about capitalism, when theyre getting handouts.

90% of the wealth controlled in 10% of the population makes sense? (That's just an example, not saying that's the actual numbers) Capitalism doesn't make sense, few governments do. Capitalism is designed to always have a portion of the population living in poverty, that doesn't make sense to me.

yeah, it makes sense to me. i think it is 90 percent of the wealth actually. capitalism works, thus makes sense. put it this way, lets say i work hard in a capitalist society and i eventually get a good amount of money to live my life (not rich, but a good amount) are you saying that i should give MY hard earned money to people who refuse to do what i did? i dont care where you live in this country, YOU CAN GET OUT OF POVERTY!

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#58 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.SmashBrosLegend

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

So you basically said that being a real estate agent is not hard. OK, then why don't all poor people become real estate agents? Thought so. Also, what is so hard about being a scholar?

Probably because it takes certain skills to be successful in real estate. Not everyone, rich or poor possesses those skills. All in all, real estate doesnt require any degrees, just personality.

17 years ago

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

so what exactly is your point? that people in ghettos should be doctors? we're talking about getting by here, not being rich.

For one, we aren't talking about getting by, we're talking about being rich (as proven by how is grandfather is, supposedly, the owner of the largest branch of Century 21 in N.A.), for two, I don't see why people from the "ghetto" couldn't be doctors, for three, my point is that real estate agents/brokers/salespersons don't require college educations in most circumstances.

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No, they've earned their money. (Or they've been lucky.) Just because they've got plenty of it, doesn't mean they'll have to give it to poor people.

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"] So you basically said that being a real estate agent is not hard. OK, then why don't all poor people become real estate agents? Thought so. Also, what is so hard about being a scholar?

For one, I never, ever said it wasn't hard, I simply said it doesn't require a whole lot of education, for two, don't twist my words out of context, for three, to be a scholar, one must attend some sort of school, unless you can receive scholarships for attending night school.

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#62 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.tycoonmike

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

so what exactly is your point? that people in ghettos should be doctors? we're talking about getting by here, not being rich.

For one, we aren't talking about getting by, we're talking about being rich (as proven by how is grandfather is, supposedly, the owner of the largest branch of Century 21 in N.A.), for two, I don't see why people from the "ghetto" couldn't be doctors, for three, my point is that real estate agents/brokers/salespersons don't require college educations in most circumstances.

okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

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#63 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

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#65 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.teh_forbidden

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

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there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nation

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.tycoonmike

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

And even then, why should I believe you?

Now you're just trying to prove our point. A poor person, who has no education, can easily advance their position in society. The reason they don't is because they're too lazy or they would rather continue blaming society for all of their problems. I don't care though, we need poor people, and I'm making sure that I won't be one of them by excelling in high school.

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#68 Shalashaska77

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there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationArtosa

bill Gates hasnt done ANYTHING.... >_>

Seriously, its not there job to do anything for society.

They worked hard and deserve to enjoy the rewards without people nagging them for free handouts.

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#69 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

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#70 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.Conanfan1

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

And even then, why should I believe you?

Now you're just trying to prove our point. A poor person, who has no education, can easily advance their position in society. The reason they don't is because they're too lazy or they would rather continue blaming society for all of their problems. I don't care though, we need poor people, and I'm making sure that I won't be one of them by excelling in high school.

and even if you dont, im sure with that attitude youll never be poor. unfortunately some losers in this country dont get that, and they have the nerve to whine about it.

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#71 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.teh_forbidden

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

nope im completely right, im not talking about any third world nation. im talking about america. im not shallow, you are. and by the looks of it people fighting on your side are starting to realize they lost this debate.

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#72 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

nope im completely right, im not talking about africa, or any other third world nation. im talking about america. im not shallow, you are. and by the looks of it people fighting on your side are starting to realize they lost this debate.

1. Africa is not the only place with third world countries. 2. Did you read my post at all, I described a scenario in America and this kind of thing happens to millions. 3. You need to look at the world outside of your mother's doorsteps.

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

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It's would be nice of them and they probably should help the less fortunate, but you can't force them to.

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="Marx_Brother"]
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.Conanfan1

:lol: That's sig worthy.

Are you saying it's not their fault they didn't go to college? Could they not have worked hard enough to earn scholarships and take out loans?

Yes, they could have, but even then, if you are born poor, you usually don't get the same chances that the rich do. If you have no collateral to base a loan on, you can't get it (unless your body counts), thus it is incredibly unlikely that the poor can get an education. You may be able to pay for the tuition, but how about all the other, hidden costs, like clothing, food, school supplies like paper, pens, and pencils, and everything else that scholarships normally don't cover?

My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

Even though to get a scholarship you must be the first seven letters of that word, a SCHOLAR! And besides, and with all due respect to your grandfather, it doesn't exactly require a huge amount of education to be a real estate broker/agent/salesperson, whatever you want to call him. In almost all cases, it DOESN'T require a college degree. Now if your grandfather was perhaps a doctor or a teacher or a lawyer (leeches on society that they, lawyers, are), I would have agreed with you.

And even then, why should I believe you?

Now you're just trying to prove our point. A poor person, who has no education, can easily advance their position in society. The reason they don't is because they're too lazy or they would rather continue blaming society for all of their problems. I don't care though, we need poor people, and I'm making sure that I won't be one of them by excelling in high school.

For one, I'm fairly certain that a real estate agent receives less satisfaction in life than does a doctor or a teacher or an honest lawyer. There is more to riches than money. For two, how do you know that you won't be poor later in life, despite your education? Education is not a sure bet that you will be rich, since you need more than just smarts. You need talent, you need character, and you need prowess.

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#76 im_very_kind

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im not talking about africa exclusively. but this subject is on american poverty, and if it isnt. then it is now either way im right third TAKE A LOOK OUT OF MY MOMS DOORSTEPS? ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME **** I LIVE ON MY OWN **** YOU

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#77 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.teh_forbidden

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

this post is weak, very weak. all you do is (in america) 1. goto a community college with financial aid 2. do good in that school 3. goto a real school its really not difficult, you need to look at the world outside of your mothers door steps. jsut because mommy dosent give you enough allowance dosent mean we need to share everything.

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#78 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"] im not talking about africa exclusively. but this subject is on american poverty, and if it isnt. then it is now either way im right third TAKE A LOOK OUT OF MY MOMS DOORSTEPS? ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME **** I LIVE ON MY OWN **** YOU

What happened top being kind? Saying that to me wasn't kind at all. All you've said so far is basically "You're wrong" give me a reason and I might change my mind. By the way my hometown was filled with people who lived on their own still on their mothers doorstep.

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#79 NrGcHaRgE021

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there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationArtosa

This is one of the worst posts i've ever seen in my life.

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[QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

If hard work was all that was needed, and correct me if I'm misreading your post, then the world wouldn't be in such a dire shape that it's in now. Money is required if you want to make big bucks in this life, as well as hard work.

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[QUOTE="Artosa"]there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationShalashaska77

bill Gates hasnt done ANYTHING.... >_>

Seriously, its not there job to do anything for society.

They worked hard and deserve to enjoy the rewards without people nagging them for free handouts.

bill gates is actually decent though, atleast he gives some money to charity

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#82 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"] im not talking about africa exclusively. but this subject is on american poverty, and if it isnt. then it is now either way im right third TAKE A LOOK OUT OF MY MOMS DOORSTEPS? ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME **** I LIVE ON MY OWN **** YOU

What happened top being kind? Saying that to me wasn't kind at all. All you've said so far is basically "You're wrong" give me a reason and I might change my mind. By the way my hometown was filled with people who lived on their own still on their mothers doorstep.

im not kind, its sarcasm. im not reposting all my arguments, reread them all over this topic, otherwise stop addressing me because you clearly are a child.

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#83 LA_lakers_4life

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no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....

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#84 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="Shalashaska77"][QUOTE="Artosa"]there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationArtosa

bill Gates hasnt done ANYTHING.... >_>

Seriously, its not there job to do anything for society.

They worked hard and deserve to enjoy the rewards without people nagging them for free handouts.

bill gates is actually decent though, atleast he gives some money to charity

Ok? Who are you talking about then? Most of us give a good amount of money to charities...

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#85 im_very_kind

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no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....LA_lakers_4life

you tell em

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#86 Shalashaska77

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[QUOTE="Artosa"][QUOTE="Shalashaska77"][QUOTE="Artosa"]there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationNrGcHaRgE021

bill Gates hasnt done ANYTHING.... >_>

Seriously, its not there job to do anything for society.

They worked hard and deserve to enjoy the rewards without people nagging them for free handouts.

bill gates is actually decent though, atleast he gives some money to charity

Ok? Who are you talking about then? Most of us give a good amount of money to charities...

and taxes

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[QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....im_very_kind

you tell em

His right man.

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#88 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.im_very_kind

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

this post is weak, very weak. all you do is (in america) 1. goto a community college with financial aid 2. do good in that school 3. goto a real school its really not difficult, you need to look at the world outside of your mothers door steps. jsut because mommy dosent give you enough allowance dosent mean we need to share everything.

1. Some people have to take care of their family who have disadvantages or aren't fit to work. They simply don't have the time. 2. Look at point one. 3. Look at point three. My mother is dead by the way and my father and I came here from Egypt. I've always been well off, but I've seen many scenarios where people have had this happen to them.

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#89 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="Artosa"][QUOTE="Shalashaska77"][QUOTE="Artosa"]there shouldnt even be rich people, they do no good for a nationShalashaska77

bill Gates hasnt done ANYTHING.... >_>

Seriously, its not there job to do anything for society.

They worked hard and deserve to enjoy the rewards without people nagging them for free handouts.

bill gates is actually decent though, atleast he gives some money to charity

Ok? Who are you talking about then? Most of us give a good amount of money to charities...

and taxes

Well yeah, we're taxed very heavily too which is just another benefit.

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no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....LA_lakers_4life

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

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#91 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.teh_forbidden

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

this post is weak, very weak. all you do is (in america) 1. goto a community college with financial aid 2. do good in that school 3. goto a real school its really not difficult, you need to look at the world outside of your mothers door steps. jsut because mommy dosent give you enough allowance dosent mean we need to share everything.

1. Some people have to take care of their family who have disadvantages or aren't fit to work. They simply don't have the time. 2. Look at point one. 3. Look at point three. My mother is dead by the way and my father and I came here from Egypt. I've always been well off, but I've seen many scenarios where people have had this happen to them.

It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.

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#92 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....OluDara

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

Actually, everyone has the same opportunity. Scholarships are available both on merit and for those who have a lower than normal income in order to allow them to obtain the same education as a wealthier person.

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#93 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....OluDara

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

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#94 teh_forbidden

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It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.NrGcHaRgE021

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

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#95 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.teh_forbidden

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

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#96 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.teh_forbidden

It's either you've never gone out of your own house,you haven't experienced much of life yet, or you're just good old fashioned ignorant. I figure those are the only reasons for an answer like that.

actually smash is right, you arent at all.

Have you ever been or heard of a third world country? Exactly.

we're talking about america, if you're implying you want some kind of world government then you have other issues you need to work out

Nobody mentioned this was purely for America. Even in America that's not always the case. Some people from tougher places don't get the kind of schooling they need therefore they can't go to college. Some just don't have opportunities. You're wrong and shallow on both aspects.

this post is weak, very weak. all you do is (in america) 1. goto a community college with financial aid 2. do good in that school 3. goto a real school its really not difficult, you need to look at the world outside of your mothers door steps. jsut because mommy dosent give you enough allowance dosent mean we need to share everything.

1. Some people have to take care of their family who have disadvantages or aren't fit to work. They simply don't have the time. 2. Look at point one. 3. Look at point three. My mother is dead by the way and my father and I came here from Egypt. I've always been well off, but I've seen many scenarios where people have had this happen to them.

1.THEN ALL YOU DO IS MOVE IN WITH OTHER PEOPLE
2. look at point 1
3. look at point 2
4. dont be as naive for the rest of your life.

not to mention in america they will give you disabillity money

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#97 LA_lakers_4life

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[QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....NrGcHaRgE021

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

Actually, everyone has the same opportunity. Scholarships are available both on merit and for those who have a lower than normal income in order to allow them to obtain the same education as a wealthier person.

financial aid, fafsa, community college....there ways to get education without money.....theres opportunities out there...its there own fault for not taking advantage of them

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#98 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....LA_lakers_4life

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

Actually, everyone has the same opportunity. Scholarships are available both on merit and for those who have a lower than normal income in order to allow them to obtain the same education as a wealthier person.

financial aid, fafsa, community college....there ways to get education without money.....theres opportunities out there...its there own fault for not taking advantage of them

im really falling in love with you tehe :)

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#99 85070537783

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No. Rich people have the right to do what they please with their money. Poor people are poor because of their own choices in life. It's their own fault they didn't go to college and get a decent job. No one should be give anything. Everyone should have to earn their place in the world.SmashBrosLegend

What he said, the poor is poor because they are OK with it and don't ever bother to stop being poor, and they blame it on the world or god on their poverty. No they shouldn't be given money; the rich earned it, the poor, well they said it's for the rich

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#100 quiglythegreat

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Being rich doesn't help you very much. You're still not going to be any happier than if you were normal. Being poor, that brings on quite a few bad things. Plus, the generosity of it is very fulfilling.

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