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#101 tycoonmike

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[QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....im_very_kind

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

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#102 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.NrGcHaRgE021

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

I'm not I never said the rich should give to the poor. Just don't you dare say being poor is a choice because it isn't for a lot of people.

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

If hard work was all that was needed, and correct me if I'm misreading your post, then the world wouldn't be in such a dire shape that it's in now. Money is required if you want to make big bucks in this life, as well as hard work.

Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

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#104 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"] My grandfather was born dirt poor on a farm in Arkansas. He dropped out of high school and had a kid when he was 19. He went to work during the day, and went to night school. Now, he owns the largest branch of Century 21 in North America. I don't want to hear any crap about it not being possible to get an education. If you don't have enough money for college, get a scholarship. Simple as that.

My grandpa has a similar story, dirt poor in Kentucky, high school drop out, then big ass success story, whatever. Know how he did it? He's smart as hell. That's it. Some people simply aren't smart and those people don't deserve to be in poverty any more than rich people do.

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#105 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....tycoonmike

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

no we wouldnt all be in ivy leage colleges, because most poor people try and rape the system. i win. let me say this one more time EVERYONE HAS EQUAL OPPROTUNITIES. IF YOU FAIL AT LIFE, IT IS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. IF YOU EAT BURGER KING AND MCDONALDS EVERYDAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SICK AND DIE, THATS NOT CAPITALISMS FAULT, THATS YOUR OWN. EATING BAD FOOD IS A LIFE CHOICE, JUST LIKE HOW TO MAKE MONEY. YOU CANT WIN THIS ARGUMENT, SO JUST TAKE YOUR PRIDE AND LEAVE THE TOPIC

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#106 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....tycoonmike

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

Everyone has the same opportunity to go to Ivies because Ivies have scholarships for those who make under $50K a year. Trust me, I win this subject. I know more about it than you do. Regardless, an Ivy education means nothing. Your argument is heavily flawed and based on the notion of fair. Life isnt fair. Get over it.

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#107 tycoonmike

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[QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

If hard work was all that was needed, and correct me if I'm misreading your post, then the world wouldn't be in such a dire shape that it's in now. Money is required if you want to make big bucks in this life, as well as hard work.

Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

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#108 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.teh_forbidden

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

I'm not I never said the rich should give to the poor. Just don't you dare say being poor is a choice because it isn't for a lot of people.

IT IS A CHOICE! my mother raised me by herself, and collected welfare checks for a year or two. SHE CHOSE NOT TO BE POOR AND WE WERENT! poverty is a choice all the way.

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#109 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

Intelligence varies genetically it looks like. Some people simply CAN'T be that smart, ever. And this isn't true at all for all poor people, but it's obviously quite an obstacle if you're trying to get rich.

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#110 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

Intelligence varies genetically it looks like. Some people simply CAN'T be that smart, ever. And this isn't true at all for all poor people, but it's obviously quite an obstacle if you're trying to get rich.

if intelligence varies by genetics, that means that racism might be right? is that what you're saying?

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#111 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.im_very_kind

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

I'm not I never said the rich should give to the poor. Just don't you dare say being poor is a choice because it isn't for a lot of people.

IT IS A CHOICE! my mother raised me by herself, and collected welfare checks for a year or two. SHE CHOSE NOT TO BE POOR AND WE WERENT! poverty is a choice all the way.

"Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living." Did your mother have to deal with something like that?

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#112 tycoonmike

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....NrGcHaRgE021

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

Everyone has the same opportunity to go to Ivies because Ivies have scholarships for those who make under $50K a year. Trust me, I win this subject. I know more about it than you do. Regardless, an Ivy education means nothing. Your argument is heavily flawed and based on the notion of fair. Life isnt fair. Get over it.

Notice the two correlations between the heavily highlighted sections of the two quotes. Notice how seemingly similar that they are? Perhaps I just said that life isn't fair, and you wanted to ignore it? Life isn't fair, and because of it, no two people have the same opprotunity. If we all had the same opprotunity, then life would be fair.

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#113 Shalashaska77

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Being rich doesn't help you very much. You're still not going to be any happier than if you were normal. Being poor, that brings on quite a few bad things. Plus, the generosity of it is very fulfilling.quiglythegreat

im quite happier with my comp and other nice things than without them.

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#114 LA_lakers_4life

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....tycoonmike

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

Everyone has the same opportunity to go to Ivies because Ivies have scholarships for those who make under $50K a year. Trust me, I win this subject. I know more about it than you do. Regardless, an Ivy education means nothing. Your argument is heavily flawed and based on the notion of fair. Life isnt fair. Get over it.

Notice the two correlations between the heavily highlighted sections of the two quotes. Notice how seemingly similar that they are? Perhaps I just said that life isn't fair, and you wanted to ignore it? Life isn't fair, and because of it, no two people have the same opprotunity. If we all had the same opprotunity, then life would be fair.

and if we all had the exact same opportunity we would be in a communist state

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#115 mastersword007

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If they won the money, It wouldn't hurt to give a little donation, but if they earned it....Hell no!

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#116 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="OluDara"][QUOTE="LA_lakers_4life"]no....they deserve it...poor people need to get of their ass and earn something....tycoonmike

It's not exactly easy if you can't get an education. Don't give me the BS that everyone has an equal oppurtunity, because they don't. If you're poor, you main goal is to feed your family, so you don't go to college, and instead get a job. Otherwise, you couldn't survive.

EVERYONE EVERYONE EVERYONE has equal opprotunities in this country, theres finiancial aid, cheap community colleges, the ability to move in with other people to share the weight of the bills, low income housing. DONT YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING

:lol: Everyone has equal opprotunities? Please, if we all had the same opprotunities, then everyone should be able to go to an Ivy League school and do whatever they want for a living. Instead we have the Joe Schmos of the world that try their hardest and still end up in a dead end job. Everyone doesn't have the same opprotunities in life, face it. Greatness is never appreciated in youth, called pride in middle age, dismissed in old age, and reconsidered in death, because we cannot accept greatness in our midst, so we do whatever we can to destroy it, at our gain. That is the sole truth to this world, you follow it, and I follow it, whether we wish to or not.

Everyone has the same opportunity to go to Ivies because Ivies have scholarships for those who make under $50K a year. Trust me, I win this subject. I know more about it than you do. Regardless, an Ivy education means nothing. Your argument is heavily flawed and based on the notion of fair. Life isnt fair. Get over it.

Notice the two correlations between the heavily highlighted sections of the two quotes. Notice how seemingly similar that they are? Perhaps I just said that life isn't fair, and you wanted to ignore it? Life isn't fair, and because of it, no two people have the same opprotunity. If we all had the same opprotunity, then life would be fair.

Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous.

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#117 Aznsilvrboy

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What do you mean if they "should"? I dont think there is an absolute answer, my answer is: only if they want to.

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#118 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

Intelligence varies genetically it looks like. Some people simply CAN'T be that smart, ever. And this isn't true at all for all poor people, but it's obviously quite an obstacle if you're trying to get rich.

if intelligence varies by genetics, that means that racism might be right? is that what you're saying?

No, I'm not. To my knowledge there are plenty smart people of every race. But some families seem to be smarter than others. Now, racism could be right, I don't really know, it seems like there's never been any real inspection of the validity of true racism, but I suspect there is very little to it anyway. Still, I'm open to the possibility.

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#119 im_very_kind

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[QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.teh_forbidden

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

I'm not I never said the rich should give to the poor. Just don't you dare say being poor is a choice because it isn't for a lot of people.

IT IS A CHOICE! my mother raised me by herself, and collected welfare checks for a year or two. SHE CHOSE NOT TO BE POOR AND WE WERENT! poverty is a choice all the way.

"Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living." Did your mother have to deal with something like that?

yeah she did, because my father died of cancer, my gandmother was in a wheel chair and was very old and needed lots of caring. my grandfather died not much longer after that. where the hell are you pulling this crap from? how do you know most disadvantages are ones that need to be under 24 hour care? even if they are we have facilities for that, and programs for people who cant pay for it.

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Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right?

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#121 bigglesbear

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[QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

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#122 quiglythegreat

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Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? sthadji

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

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#123 tycoonmike

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Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. NrGcHaRgE021

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

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#124 teh_forbidden

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

Intelligence varies genetically it looks like. Some people simply CAN'T be that smart, ever. And this isn't true at all for all poor people, but it's obviously quite an obstacle if you're trying to get rich.

I'm an assistant for a developmental psychologists (getting my degree) and genetics don't play as big as a role as you might think. It's more of your surroundings that detirmine that. I see where you're coming from but it's not necessarily true.

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isn't that just communism?nickmag

No, though it is a part of some forms of communism. But absolutely, it's not fair some people have millions and others have nothing.

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#126 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Are you saying every poor person is a hard worker?

I'm saying that hard work isn't the only thing that is required. Money, prowess, character, hard work, and perhaps a bit of luck, is all required to be successful.

Intelligence varies genetically it looks like. Some people simply CAN'T be that smart, ever. And this isn't true at all for all poor people, but it's obviously quite an obstacle if you're trying to get rich.

I'm an assistant for a developmental psychologists (getting my degree) and genetics don't play as big as a role as you might think. It's more of your surroundings that detirmine that. I see where you're coming from but it's not necessarily true.

In terms of raw reasoning, I think it's mostly genetic no matter what, and that's just personal experience. A professor of mathematics I know is an absolute genius. She must have an IQ of at least 170. Her brother is even smarter she says, and her father was also extremely intelligent. It seems to me you can't just learn that kind of genius.

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#127 tycoonmike

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[QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="teh_forbidden"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]It doesnt take much to take night classes or go to comm. college and take a few courses.im_very_kind

Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living.

Ok, that's their problem. Dont blame everything on the rich because someone's family has health issues.....

I'm not I never said the rich should give to the poor. Just don't you dare say being poor is a choice because it isn't for a lot of people.

IT IS A CHOICE! my mother raised me by herself, and collected welfare checks for a year or two. SHE CHOSE NOT TO BE POOR AND WE WERENT! poverty is a choice all the way.

"Most people with disadvantages need 24 hour care, more so during the day. This causes the person taking care of the person with the disadvantage to work at night just to pay for basic bills and other expenses for living." Did your mother have to deal with something like that?

yeah she did, because my father died of cancer, my gandmother was in a wheel chair and was very old and needed lots of caring. my grandfather died not much longer after that. where the hell are you pulling this crap from? how do you know most disadvantages are ones that need to be under 24 hour care? even if they are we have facilities for that, and programs for people who cant pay for it. e

And how can we be certain this is all truthful? You cannot use personal examples when debating on an anonymous forum site, because it is impossible to prove your exampe to be true, its as simple as that.

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[QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? quiglythegreat

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

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#129 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. tycoonmike

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

I'll give you that. [QUOTE="bigglesbear"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

Maybe at a top top school, but you can become one for less.

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No giving money to poor people only supports the idea that our society is centered structurally around classes. They make it seem as if its impossible to move up or down in classes.

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? sthadji

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.

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#132 bigglesbear

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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. NrGcHaRgE021

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

I'll give you that. [QUOTE="bigglesbear"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

Maybe at a top top school, but you can become one for less.

even at 50,000 that is still a lot for someone who is poor

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#133 quiglythegreat

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College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.

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College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.quiglythegreat

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

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every rich person I know got that way by exploiting people in one way or another, so yes rich people should give money to the poor.

It's also logical for the rich and privilaged members of society to help out the lower forbidden>

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College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.quiglythegreat

Private and MOST out of state schools are. Some schools are quite the bargin and I could get into specifics. The govt wont pay for education.

[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. bigglesbear

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

I'll give you that. [QUOTE="bigglesbear"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

Maybe at a top top school, but you can become one for less.

even at 50,000 that is still a lot for someone who is poor

Not if theyre becoming a doctor...

[QUOTE="sthadji"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? -Karayan-

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.

We had no 'head start'.

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#137 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.-Karayan-

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

Ireland sounds like a very nice place to be.

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[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.quiglythegreat

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

Ireland sounds like a very nice place to be.

It's also free in France.

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]

[QUOTE="sthadji"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? -Karayan-

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.

We had no 'head start'.

If you parents didn't, you do :|

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Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.-Karayan-

Recalling the program 'Europe's Richest' on Discovery I noticed that nearly all of those people did not have a head start. Instead they had two characteristics: ambition and the courage to take risks. And hard work of course.

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#141 bigglesbear

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.NrGcHaRgE021

Private and MOST out of state schools are. Some schools are quite the bargin and I could get into specifics. The govt wont pay for education.

[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. bigglesbear

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

I'll give you that. [QUOTE="bigglesbear"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

Maybe at a top top school, but you can become one for less.

even at 50,000 that is still a lot for someone who is poor

Not if theyre becoming a doctor...

[QUOTE="sthadji"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? -Karayan-

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.

We had no 'head start'.

you sort of need to start out with some money before you can go in. Also med school is very competitive who is gonna look better some guy from some crappy school or a person from a good school?

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[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.quiglythegreat

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

Ireland sounds like a very nice place to be.

It is, it's the wealthiest country in europe, you can get a house in the middle of nowhere and a 4 square acres of land for like 400K, beatitful nature, low population level. I plan on moving there after I graduated.

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#143 NrGcHaRgE021

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[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.bigglesbear

Private and MOST out of state schools are. Some schools are quite the bargin and I could get into specifics. The govt wont pay for education.

[QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="NrGcHaRgE021"]Life isnt fair based on the fact that some people have more money than others. Everything isnt 100% equal in terms of opportunities, but to say that not everyone has opportunities is ridiculous. bigglesbear

I never said that some people have no possibilities whatsoever, I said that some people may have fewer possibilities. I may have misstated something somewhere.

I'll give you that. [QUOTE="bigglesbear"][QUOTE="Conanfan1"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="im_very_kind"]okay, then you get opperated on by people from the ghetto. no we arent talking about being rich. anyway, if everyone was rich then our expectations of life would change, and the "rich" people at the bottom would be considered poor. do you realize you're fighting an uphill battle? do you realize that even the poorest person in america has it really good in comparison to real poor people such as the starving kids in africa? you're telling me that moving in with a group of people sharing the bills isnt going to get people out of poverty?

For one, I don't know where my doctor comes from, and why should I ask? For two, that's because you fall victim to human nature, and its necessity to divide everyone on lines of prejudice, be it poverty, race, color, you name it. As such, I believe that socialism is ultimately the fairest economic system, despite its scientific impossibility. For three, I know this, and I also know that we aren't doing one blessed thing to help them out. Remember that it was the western powers, including America, that created the new Africa, one with trillions of dollars of debt, and as such, social unrest, political upheavals every month, and the starving that you've mentioned. It is the rich warlords that control almost all of Africa, not the people that should be.

A doctor can come from the ghetto. Yes. Now why don't they? Wouldn't that solve their poverty problem? I'm not rich and I hope to become a doctor someday. You don't need money to become successful. It helps, but hard work is equally as important.

because it costs even with scholarships about 100,000 to become a doctor

Maybe at a top top school, but you can become one for less.

even at 50,000 that is still a lot for someone who is poor

Not if theyre becoming a doctor...

[QUOTE="sthadji"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sthadji"]Depends. If the rich people are just wasting their money here and there then it would be better if they just gave it to the poor. But they shouldn't be obliged too. I mean, they worked to get there right? -Karayan-

The old fashioned way of getting rich was inheriting it. Most rich people are rich because their parents paid for their college. So, the answer, no, not all rich people have worked for it.

I would think most modern millionaires worked to get there. If they inherited the money then I do believe a percentage of the money should be given to the poor.

Almost all rich folk had some kind of head start. But that aside, some people just aren't intelligent or perseverant enough to become rich, yet work extremely hard. I believe that there should be no difference between rich and poor whatsoever.

We had no 'head start'.

you sort of need to start out with some money before you can go in. Also med school is very competitive who is gonna look better some guy from some crappy school or a person from a good school?

It comes down to academics, not just where your degree is from.

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#144 teh_forbidden

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In terms of raw reasoning, I think it's mostly genetic no matter what, and that's just personal experience. A professor of mathematics I know is an absolute genius. She must have an IQ of at least 170. Her brother is even smarter she says, and her father was also extremely intelligent. It seems to me you can't just learn that kind of genius.quiglythegreat

You're kind of right meaning we haven't had a breakthrough in the studies of intelligence, but if you're born of an "average" father there's proof that it's not unattainable to be a genius. It's kind of hard to call because there are many conflicting studies, but I can safely say that genetics isn't the only thing that determines your IQ for instance.

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#145 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.-Karayan-

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

Ireland sounds like a very nice place to be.

It is, it's the wealthiest country in europe, you can get a house in the middle of nowhere and a 4 square acres of land for like 400K, beatitful nature, low population level. I plan on moving there after I graduated.

I don't know where I want to live. I have no clue. But Ireland sounds wonderful. I think I'd just get homesick eventually. I really wish I had been born travelling like my dad, then I could just transplant myself to anywhere too, but eh, whatever. New Jersey rules anyway!

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#146 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"] In terms of raw reasoning, I think it's mostly genetic no matter what, and that's just personal experience. A professor of mathematics I know is an absolute genius. She must have an IQ of at least 170. Her brother is even smarter she says, and her father was also extremely intelligent. It seems to me you can't just learn that kind of genius.teh_forbidden

You're kind of right meaning we haven't had a breakthrough in the studies of intelligence, but if you're born of an "average" father there's proof that it's not unattainable to be a genius. It's kind of hard to call because there are many conflicting studies, but I can safely say that genetics isn't the only thing that determines your IQ for instance.

And I'm not questioning that, however I think that genetics plays a pretty significant role in terms of it. That much appears certain.

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#147 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33

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almost all of you are way of in this matter...

Capitalism require poor people to do the dirty work......that's it.....If you can't find poor/stupid people....you'll create them..

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#148 Donkey_Puncher

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No. If money is earned, it's THEIR money. The ability to earn money is based off of an education and work ethic. If you have atleast one of the two, you are garunteed to make a decent standard of living.

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[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.quiglythegreat

I think it's free in Ireland. :)

Ireland sounds like a very nice place to be.

It is, it's the wealthiest country in europe, you can get a house in the middle of nowhere and a 4 square acres of land for like 400K, beatitful nature, low population level. I plan on moving there after I graduated.

I don't know where I want to live. I have no clue. But Ireland sounds wonderful. I think I'd just get homesick eventually. I really wish I had been born travelling like my dad, then I could just transplant myself to anywhere too, but eh, whatever. New Jersey rules anyway!

I already live in Europe, so it's not bad to go up and down to my family. I'd hate to live in such a crowded area.

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#150 quiglythegreat

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]College costs a ton, and tuition is only going up. It's going to continue to exaggerate the gap between the rich and poor in this country. The only way to do it is to have the government pay for college education.NrGcHaRgE021

Private and MOST out of state schools are. Some schools are quite the bargin and I could get into specifics. The govt wont pay for education.

Right, so go to a bargain school. Fool proof. Yay equality!

17 years ago

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