Should women have the right to have an abortion?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]When a girl is raped, they can adopt, people.:|Def_Jef88

Girls can't have kids at ten.:|

Actually, five year olds can... :|

You're right.

Given that they have an unbe-freakin-lievably rare condition that causes them to mature at an exponential rate.:roll:

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]When a girl is raped, they can adopt, people.:|Silver_Dragon17

Girls can't have kids at ten.:|

Actually, five year olds can... :|

You're right.

Given that they have an unbe-freakin-lievably rare condition that causes them to mature at an exponential rate.:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]When a girl is raped, they can adopt, people.:|Def_Jef88

Girls can't have kids at ten.:|

Actually, five year olds can... :|

You're right.

Given that they have an unbe-freakin-lievably rare condition that causes them to mature at an exponential rate.:roll:

Okay, if such a thing were to happen, and the girl would die if she gave birth, then an abortion would be fine. But ONLY in that kind of circumstance.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]When a girl is raped, they can adopt, people.:|Silver_Dragon17

Girls can't have kids at ten.:|

Actually, five year olds can... :|

You're right.

Given that they have an unbe-freakin-lievably rare condition that causes them to mature at an exponential rate.:roll:

Okay, if such a thing were to happen, and the girl would die if she gave birth, then an abortion would be fine. But ONLY in that kind of circumstance.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]When a girl is raped, they can adopt, people.:|Def_Jef88

Girls can't have kids at ten.:|

Actually, five year olds can... :|

You're right.

Given that they have an unbe-freakin-lievably rare condition that causes them to mature at an exponential rate.:roll:

Okay, if such a thing were to happen, and the girl would die if she gave birth, then an abortion would be fine. But ONLY in that kind of circumstance.

No it doesn't. The law in my country states that the only way an abortion can happen is if it threatens the mothers life.

But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Def_Jef88

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

No it doesn't. The law in my country states that the only way an abortion can happen is if it threatens the mothers life. deshields538

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Silver_Dragon17

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Def_Jef88

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

[QUOTE="deshields538"]No it doesn't. The law in my country states that the only way an abortion can happen is if it threatens the mothers life. foxhound_fox

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used as a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Silver_Dragon17

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="deshields538"]No it doesn't. The law in my country states that the only way an abortion can happen is if it threatens the mothers life. Why_Me-

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Def_Jef88

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

It still isn't fair to kill it if it will become a child, now is it?

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]

I'm against moral anarchy, because history has proven that anarchy only leads to social collapse and madness.

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

Master_Sword91

We probably agree on whether or not abotion should be legal, we only disagree with the exceptions, and you aren't going to change my mind.

I'm against moral anarchy, because history has proven that anarchy only leads to social collapse and madness.

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

Why_Me-

i think so,out yourself in this situation:

your a woman,your 19 and in college,yada yada,drunk college party and BAM your pregnant.right now,your living in an apartment about as big as a bathroom,and your in a vewrry bad neighborhood.youve got no money.and keep in mind that i said NO money,not "a lack of it".your dirt poor.the father is a drunken idiot.things are looking up tho cause you just gota job.now your pregnant,and its only been a couple of weeks since youve found out.

now,if you bring this kid into this world,hes going to live a bad life.no money,cloths,small apartment,father wont talk to you,moms never around.yepp abortion is deff. immoral :roll:

i think that anybody has a right to there own body,period.thats the point,its your body,do whatever you need to.you wouldnt keep a tumor or a mole.

i dont know if the baby can infact feel pain or not.i dont think it can.i watched a vedio in health and it said the nerves dont even get built for months.

people really are hipocritical about this,thay say aborting the baby is selfish,wehn you havent or arent in that situatuion.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Silver_Dragon17

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

It still isn't fair to kill it if it will become a child, now is it?

AND, a fetus wont become a child without the help of the mothers body. Any person should have the right to decide what objects it allows to leach off its body...

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Silver_Dragon17

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

It still isn't fair to kill it if it will become a child, now is it?

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.Why_Me-

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

i think so,out yourself in this situation:

your a woman,your 19 and in college,yada yada,drunk college party and BAM your pregnant.right now,your living in an apartment about as big as a bathroom,and your in a vewrry bad neighborhood.youve got no money.and keep in mind that i said NO money,not "a lack of it".your dirt poor.the father is a drunken idiot.things are looking up tho cause you just gota job.now your pregnant,and its only been a couple of weeks since youve found out.

now,if you bring this kid into this world,hes going to live a bad life.no money,cloths,small apartment,father wont talk to you,moms never around.yepp abortion is deff. immoral :roll:

i think that anybody has a right to there own body,period.thats the point,its your body,do whatever you need to.you wouldnt keep a tumor or a mole.

i dont know if the baby can infact feel pain or not.i dont think it can.i watched a vedio in health and it said the nerves dont even get built for months.

people really are hipocritical about this,thay say aborting the baby is selfish,wehn you havent or arent in that situatuion.

guitboxdude25

People have raised kids in worse circumstances and have still pulled through. As for the kid having a bad life we have no right to choose wether or not he should live it.

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

guitboxdude25

A seed will become a tree... its still a seed though.

AND, a fetus wont become a child without the help of the mothers body. Any person should have the right to decide what objects it allows to leach off its body...

Def_Jef88

A seed will become a tree. . .but not a person.

As if the baby is a parasite.:roll:

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

guitboxdude25

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.guitboxdude25

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Yes, so let's let them all go through that hell.:roll:

The "A" in PAS doesn't stand for adoption.;)

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

i think so,out yourself in this situation:

your a woman,your 19 and in college,yada yada,drunk college party and BAM your pregnant.right now,your living in an apartment about as big as a bathroom,and your in a vewrry bad neighborhood.youve got no money.and keep in mind that i said NO money,not "a lack of it".your dirt poor.the father is a drunken idiot.things are looking up tho cause you just gota job.now your pregnant,and its only been a couple of weeks since youve found out.

now,if you bring this kid into this world,hes going to live a bad life.no money,cloths,small apartment,father wont talk to you,moms never around.yepp abortion is deff. immoral :roll:

i think that anybody has a right to there own body,period.thats the point,its your body,do whatever you need to.you wouldnt keep a tumor or a mole.

i dont know if the baby can infact feel pain or not.i dont think it can.i watched a vedio in health and it said the nerves dont even get built for months.

people really are hipocritical about this,thay say aborting the baby is selfish,wehn you havent or arent in that situatuion.

deshields538

People have raised kids in worse circumstances and have still pulled through. As for the kid having a bad life we have no right to choose wether or not he should live it.

uh...what?we have no right to choose wether or not he should live it...that made so much sense.
so who does have the right exactly.oh wait,let me ask you another question.parent leave kids alone at house,kid has party,parents catch em.who has the right to ground him/her?
we have no right to choose wether or not a kid has a (bad)life.....ever make fun of a kid?ever stole someones crush,or was in a group that made a kid depressed?we have more power over wehter a person lives abad life than you think.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

CptJSparrow

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

No it doesn't :|. A sperm by itself can not develop into a child.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

CptJSparrow

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

Only if it merges with an egg, otherwise it doesn't.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] But you cant just start throwing in exceptions and loopholes into the law; it either needs to be a yes or a no, no exceptions....Def_Jef88

Um, no, it doesn't need to be that way, as somebody else has said.:|

"Fair?"

Is it "fair" to kill the child when he did absolutely nothing but exist?

Is it "fair" to kill the child because somebody else raped his mother?

Abortion is the antithesis to "fair."

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against moral anarchy, because history has proven that anarchy only leads to social collapse and madness.

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

CptJSparrow

What I'm saying, is that under a system of moral anarchy, you may have fun for a while, but a society will not survive for very long-- like a degenerate child that wasraised without parental guidance. Countries are only as good as the people that inhabit them, and if the people are all guideless, the country is guideless.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.Silver_Dragon17

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Yes, so let's let them all go through that hell.:roll:

The "A" in PAS doesn't stand for adoption.;)

i said a pain of abortion is more than the pain of giving birth,but overtime,the pain of giving birth to a kid thats going to live a messed up life is alot worse that a mom with a conscience because people told her she "killed her baby".

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

deshields538

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

No it doesn't :|. A sperm by itself can not develop into a child.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

Only if it merges with an egg, otherwise it doesn't.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against moral anarchy, because history has proven that anarchy only leads to social collapse and madness.

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

Why_Me-

What I'm saying, is that under a system of moral anarchy, you may have fun for a while, but a society will not survive for very long-- like a degenerate child that wasraised without parental guidance. Countries are only as good as the people that inhabit them, and if the people are all guideless, the country is guideless.

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.guitboxdude25

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Your argument appears to be that abortion is not an easy way out, but in reality, it is. The only problem is, after the mother has an abortion and takes the easy way out, she later is emotionally affected, and wants an easy way to undo the abortion. That is an impossibility.

Is it not feasable that one who takes one easy way out, eventually wants another?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.guitboxdude25

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Yes, so let's let them all go through that hell.:roll:

The "A" in PAS doesn't stand for adoption.;)

i said a pain of abortion is more than the pain of giving birth,but overtime,the pain of giving birth to a kid thats going to live a messed up life is alot worse that a mom with a conscience because people told her she "killed her baby".

1. Adoption.:|

2. That isn't PAS.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

Only if it merges with an egg, otherwise it doesn't.

i cant wait to see a 8 paged long obituaries when we start counting every sperm that merged with an egg,but perishes in the process.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

no more masterbating for anyone then.those sperm couldve been babies.

guitboxdude25

I'm sick of this argument.

By themselves, a sperm will live and die.

With an egg, a sperm will become a baby.

Difference.

Only if it merges with an egg, otherwise it doesn't.

i cant wait to see a 8 paged long obituaries when we start counting every sperm that merged with an egg,but perishes in the process.

If that happens, then that is natural. An abortion, on the other hand, is flat-out manually killing the fetus in an unnatural way.

I have a video of an abortion if you want to see. . .PM me for it.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.Why_Me-

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Your argument appears to be that abortion is not an easy way out, but in reality, it is. The only problem is, after the mother has an abortion and takes the easy way out, she later is emotionally affected, and wants an easy way to undo the abortion. That is an impossibility.

Is it not feasable that one who takes one easy way out, eventually wants another?

"There is one thing in common with everyone in support of abotion: They are allalready living, and any possibility ofthem being aborted has already passed"

:lol: ........duh!

people not supporting abortion must be zombies :lol:

it is impossible that emotional hurt is worse than physical hurt?
if you say yes then you are wrong.dead wrong.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.Silver_Dragon17

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Yes, so let's let them all go through that hell.:roll:

The "A" in PAS doesn't stand for adoption.;)

i said a pain of abortion is more than the pain of giving birth,but overtime,the pain of giving birth to a kid thats going to live a messed up life is alot worse that a mom with a conscience because people told her she "killed her baby".

1. Adoption.:|

2. That isn't PAS.

Adoption? I'm sure enough kids are in the adoption system, having one more isn't going to help anyone.

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against moral anarchy, because history has proven that anarchy only leads to social collapse and madness.

There are morals, and rights and wrongs in the world. Abortion should only be used an a necessary evil in the case of a rape, ect. A wrong that erases another wrong.

This opinion isn't formulated based on any religion, as I'm primarily non-religious myself. It is formulated through a realist's world view.

CptJSparrow

What I'm saying, is that under a system of moral anarchy, you may have fun for a while, but a society will not survive for very long-- like a degenerate child that wasraised without parental guidance. Countries are only as good as the people that inhabit them, and if the people are all guideless, the country is guideless.

Why do you think that I personally oppose abortion? Because I believe that anyone who has an abortion has convinced themselves that they are the center of the universe. A country where the people only care about themselves, and nothing else would be something that presumably you would oppose, but that is where this road is taking us.

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.guitboxdude25

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Your argument appears to be that abortion is not an easy way out, but in reality, it is. The only problem is, after the mother has an abortion and takes the easy way out, she later is emotionally affected, and wants an easy way to undo the abortion. That is an impossibility.

Is it not feasable that one who takes one easy way out, eventually wants another?

"There is one thing in common with everyone in support of abotion: They are allalready living, and any possibility ofthem being aborted has already passed"

:lol: ........duh!

people not supporting abortion must be zombies :lol:

it is impossible that emotional hurt is worse than physical hurt?
if you say yes then you are wrong.dead wrong.

People who supported slavery were free.

People who support abortion were born.

That's how oppresion works.

"They aren't really people" We've heard that one before!

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"] A seed will become a tree... its still a seed though.

AND, a fetus wont become a child without the help of the mothers body. Any person should have the right to decide what objects it allows to leach off its body...

Silver_Dragon17

A seed will become a tree. . .but not a person.

As if the baby is a parasite.:roll:

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]

[QUOTE="Why_Me-"]I'm against shortcuts, and easy ways out.Silver_Dragon17

do you know what happens to a mother after she gets an abortion?yep deff is the easy way out :roll:

Yes, so let's let them all go through that hell.:roll:

The "A" in PAS doesn't stand for adoption.;)

i said a pain of abortion is more than the pain of giving birth,but overtime,the pain of giving birth to a kid thats going to live a messed up life is alot worse that a mom with a conscience because people told her she "killed her baby".

1. Adoption.:|

2. That isn't PAS.

youd go through all that pain just to give it away?
why isnt "this" post abortion syndrome?