smoke cigs everyday of my life

What's the big deal with cigarettes? Everyone hates them yet I don't see a problem with them. They are stress relieving, tasty, enjoyable and provide something to do. Besides the fact that they smell nice, they are also cool. Who else here smokes and enjoys it throughly? non_insane

I occassionally smoke. Either for social reasons (let's all be honest, people look cooler when smoking a cig) or just to get a nice nic buzz. I can't agree with them being tasty or good-smelling though. I've grown up around them, so it kinda wears on me.

I never quite believe people when they say they get headaches or feel sick when even smelling cigarette smoke. I guess maybe they're right, but I still enjoy my one or two cigarettes a day. Outside my own home away from anyone else is the only way i've rolled for years, though.geodisicdome

They just like to exaggerate :P " I vomit my intestines out if I smell smoke :("

Yeah, just do it outside. Just as long as you're not near me, I don't care. Don't see why you need a stress reliever though, it's called a bed, there's also chairs.Vanadium2k8

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Yeah, just do it outside. Just as long as you're not near me, I don't care. Don't see why you need a stress reliever though, it's called a bed, there's also chairs.Jandurin

his choice? your dad would of started smoking when people still believed that it's ok. Save your post and then re-read it when he's gone - you haven't been their yet. don't think you know what it's like.jasperrussell

I see. Everyone on here harps on about "personal responsibility" when it comes to their precious VIDEOGAMES. But the second that we're talking about something that they personally dislike, it becomes a case of "MCDONALDS made me fat" or "THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY killed my dad."

The toilet also works.Vanadium2k8

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="Epak_"]Some of you guys make too big of a deal of smoking, if people want to smoke let them, it's none of your business :|Epak_

Nobody's forcing you to stand near people who smoke.

[QUOTE="Epak_"]

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"] So I'm guessing you've never heard of second hand smoking?I_pWnzz_YoU

Nobody's forcing you to stand near people who smoke.

That's such a low level of exposure that it's a total non-issue.

That's such a low level of exposure that it's a total non-issue.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] his choice? your dad would of started smoking when people still believed that it's ok. Save your post and then re-read it when he's gone - you haven't been their yet. don't think you know what it's like.MrGeezer

I see. Everyone on here harps on about "personal responsibility" when it comes to their precious VIDEOGAMES. But the second that we're talking about something that they personally dislike, it becomes a case of "MCDONALDS made me fat" or "THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY killed my dad."

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] his choice? your dad would of started smoking when people still believed that it's ok. Save your post and then re-read it when he's gone - you haven't been their yet. don't think you know what it's like.jasperrussell

I see. Everyone on here harps on about "personal responsibility" when it comes to their precious VIDEOGAMES. But the second that we're talking about something that they personally dislike, it becomes a case of "MCDONALDS made me fat" or "THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY killed my dad."

Harsh nothing. He smokes, he smoked for a long time, he's known for a long time that smoking is dangerous, and he still smokes. He even switched from smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking a pipe twice a day. That's a BIG change as far as HABIT goes. And if he can do that, he can quit smoking entirely. He's not going to, though. Because he LIKES smoking. He enjoys it, he takes pleasure in it, it's not hurting anyone else, so WHAT is the problem?

Sure, he might die 10 or 20 years early because he smokes. Sure, I might have to bury "dear old dad" because because he likes to smoke. Again, I am SUPPOSED to bury "dear old dad". The alternative to me burying Dear Old Dad is to have Dear Old Dad bury ME. And that's unthinkable. I'm gonna live long enough to put my mother and father in the grave, because that is how it is supposed to be. That's the "natural order". Any sadness I might feel while attending their funeral would be NOTHING compared to the sadness they'd feel if they were still alive to attend MY funeral. Children are supposed to outlive their parents, not the other way around.

Yeah, **** 'em. They saw me smoking. If they were so concerned about their health, then they shouldn't have walked over to me and said "hi".

If I am allowed to kill myself with tobacco smoke, then nonsmokers are allowed to kill THEMSELVES by choosing to breathe in my secondhand smoke.

MrGeezer

What's the big deal with cigarettes? Everyone hates them yet I don't see a problem with them. They are stress relieving, tasty, enjoyable and provide something to do. Besides the fact that they smell nice, they are also cool. Who else here smokes and enjoys it throughly? non_insane

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

I see. Everyone on here harps on about "personal responsibility" when it comes to their precious VIDEOGAMES. But the second that we're talking about something that they personally dislike, it becomes a case of "MCDONALDS made me fat" or "THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY killed my dad."

MrGeezer

Harsh nothing. He smokes, he smoked for a long time, he's known for a long time that smoking is dangerous, and he still smokes. He even switched from smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking a pipe twice a day. That's a BIG change as far as HABIT goes. And if he can do that, he can quit smoking entirely. He's not going to, though. Because he LIKES smoking. He enjoys it, he takes pleasure in it, it's not hurting anyone else, so WHAT is the problem?

Sure, he might die 10 or 20 years early because he smokes. Sure, I might have to bury "dear old dad" because because he likes to smoke. Again, I am SUPPOSED to bury "dear old dad". The alternative to me burying Dear Old Dad is to have Dear Old Dad bury ME. And that's unthinkable. I'm gonna live long enough to put my mother and father in the grave, because that is how it is supposed to be. That's the "natural order". Any sadness I might feel while attending their funeral would be NOTHING compared to the sadness they'd feel if they were still alive to attend MY funeral. Children are supposed to outlive their parents, not the other way around.

Well if you want to know what my personal problem with them is its the fact that the smoke gives me an instant headache. My general problems with them happen to be that they subtract from your life roughly five minutes per cig and the whole lung cancer thing.Serraph105

You actually believe that?

These kinds of statistics can usually be weeded out as horse**** simply by asking the question of how the HELL anyone could determine the LIFELONG effect of ONE CIGARETTE. How someone can look at you when you're SEVENTY YEARS OLD and claim that you would have lived FIVE MINUTES longer if you hadn't smoked that one cigarette back when you were 18?

So yeah, once you start asking questions, this sort of stuff gets suspicious. But let's look at numbers instead.

Suppose my dad smoked 1.25 packs of cigarettes every day for 30 years. That's 25 years.

If every cigarette that he smoked took 5 minutes off of his life, that's 125 minutes a day.

125 minutes a day for 365 days equals 45,625 minutes a year.

45,625 minutes a year times 30 years equals 1,368,750 minutes.

So let's convert that into years.

1,368,750 minutes is 22813 hours.

22813 hours is 951 days.

951 days is 2.6 years.

Now...well, I'm surprised. At first your statistic seemed ridiculous. But when we see that it suggests that you can smoke 1.25 packs a day for 30 years and still on average only end up shortening your life by less than three years, that's actually REASSURING. I can probably smoke for another 5 or 6 years and the amount of time that it cuts off from my life will be negligible.

Though to be fair, I probably screwed up the math somewhere in there.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Yeah, **** 'em. They saw me smoking. If they were so concerned about their health, then they shouldn't have walked over to me and said "hi".

If I am allowed to kill myself with tobacco smoke, then nonsmokers are allowed to kill THEMSELVES by choosing to breathe in my secondhand smoke.

ayanami_rei

Stop giving her rides, if her smoking bothers you so much.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"] I don't know, just seemed like you were being a bit harsh on dear ol' dad.....jasperrussell

Harsh nothing. He smokes, he smoked for a long time, he's known for a long time that smoking is dangerous, and he still smokes. He even switched from smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking a pipe twice a day. That's a BIG change as far as HABIT goes. And if he can do that, he can quit smoking entirely. He's not going to, though. Because he LIKES smoking. He enjoys it, he takes pleasure in it, it's not hurting anyone else, so WHAT is the problem?

Sure, he might die 10 or 20 years early because he smokes. Sure, I might have to bury "dear old dad" because because he likes to smoke. Again, I am SUPPOSED to bury "dear old dad". The alternative to me burying Dear Old Dad is to have Dear Old Dad bury ME. And that's unthinkable. I'm gonna live long enough to put my mother and father in the grave, because that is how it is supposed to be. That's the "natural order". Any sadness I might feel while attending their funeral would be NOTHING compared to the sadness they'd feel if they were still alive to attend MY funeral. Children are supposed to outlive their parents, not the other way around.

Do you even know me? My tone doesn't imply that I'm not happy about ONE particular thing, anyone here who knows me can tell you that my tone is simply indicative of the fact that I am NEVER happy about ANYTHING.

I'm not unhappy about the topic at hand, I simply ALWAYS act unhappy REGARDLESS of what the hell I'm discussing.

You're reading WAY too much into things.

Would you say it's worth smoking to lose 951 days of your life?Vanadium2k8

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

What's the big deal with cigarettes? Everyone hates them yet I don't see a problem with them. They are stress relieving, tasty, enjoyable and provide something to do. Besides the fact that they smell nice, they are also cool. Who else here smokes and enjoys it throughly? non_insane

You don't see a problem with them because you haven't been exposed to the long term effect. Such as one lung left that works at less than 50% capacity. Can't run, can't lift, can't walk long distances, you get sick easily and you Rely on an oxygen tank to give you enough oxygen to function. People who smoke do so because they never had to watch this happen to person after person.

Years later the damage is already done. Then it will be too late.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Well if you want to know what my personal problem with them is its the fact that the smoke gives me an instant headache. My general problems with them happen to be that they subtract from your life roughly five minutes per cig and the whole lung cancer thing.MrGeezer

You actually believe that?

These kinds of statistics can usually be weeded out as horse**** simply by asking the question of how the HELL anyone could determine the LIFELONG effect of ONE CIGARETTE. How someone can look at you when you're SEVENTY YEARS OLD and claim that you would have lived FIVE MINUTES longer if you hadn't smoked that one cigarette back when you were 18?

So yeah, once you start asking questions, this sort of stuff gets suspicious. But let's look at numbers instead.

Suppose my dad smoked 1.25 packs of cigarettes every day for 30 years. That's 25 years.

If every cigarette that he smoked took 5 minutes off of his life, that's 125 minutes a day.

125 minutes a day for 365 days equals 45,625 minutes a year.

45,625 minutes a year times 30 years equals 1,368,750 minutes.

So let's convert that into years.

1,368,750 minutes is 22813 hours.

22813 hours is 951 days.

951 days is 2.6 years.

Now...well, I'm surprised. At first your statistic seemed ridiculous. But when we see that it suggests that you can smoke 1.25 packs a day for 30 years and still on average only end up shortening your life by less than three years, that's actually REASSURING. I can probably smoke for another 5 or 6 years and the amount of time that it cuts off from my life will be negligible.

Though to be fair, I probably screwed up the math somewhere in there.

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Would you say it's worth smoking to lose 951 days of your life?MrGeezer

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Well if you want to know what my personal problem with them is its the fact that the smoke gives me an instant headache. My general problems with them happen to be that they subtract from your life roughly five minutes per cig and the whole lung cancer thing.Serraph105

You actually believe that?

These kinds of statistics can usually be weeded out as horse**** simply by asking the question of how the HELL anyone could determine the LIFELONG effect of ONE CIGARETTE. How someone can look at you when you're SEVENTY YEARS OLD and claim that you would have lived FIVE MINUTES longer if you hadn't smoked that one cigarette back when you were 18?

So yeah, once you start asking questions, this sort of stuff gets suspicious. But let's look at numbers instead.

Suppose my dad smoked 1.25 packs of cigarettes every day for 30 years. That's 25 years.

If every cigarette that he smoked took 5 minutes off of his life, that's 125 minutes a day.

125 minutes a day for 365 days equals 45,625 minutes a year.

45,625 minutes a year times 30 years equals 1,368,750 minutes.

So let's convert that into years.

1,368,750 minutes is 22813 hours.

22813 hours is 951 days.

951 days is 2.6 years.

Now...well, I'm surprised. At first your statistic seemed ridiculous. But when we see that it suggests that you can smoke 1.25 packs a day for 30 years and still on average only end up shortening your life by less than three years, that's actually REASSURING. I can probably smoke for another 5 or 6 years and the amount of time that it cuts off from my life will be negligible.

Though to be fair, I probably screwed up the math somewhere in there.

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Would you say it's worth smoking to lose 951 days of your life?MrGeezer

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

You actually believe that?

These kinds of statistics can usually be weeded out as horse**** simply by asking the question of how the HELL anyone could determine the LIFELONG effect of ONE CIGARETTE. How someone can look at you when you're SEVENTY YEARS OLD and claim that you would have lived FIVE MINUTES longer if you hadn't smoked that one cigarette back when you were 18?

So yeah, once you start asking questions, this sort of stuff gets suspicious. But let's look at numbers instead.

Suppose my dad smoked 1.25 packs of cigarettes every day for 30 years. That's 25 years.

If every cigarette that he smoked took 5 minutes off of his life, that's 125 minutes a day.

125 minutes a day for 365 days equals 45,625 minutes a year.

45,625 minutes a year times 30 years equals 1,368,750 minutes.

So let's convert that into years.

1,368,750 minutes is 22813 hours.

22813 hours is 951 days.

951 days is 2.6 years.

Now...well, I'm surprised. At first your statistic seemed ridiculous. But when we see that it suggests that you can smoke 1.25 packs a day for 30 years and still on average only end up shortening your life by less than three years, that's actually REASSURING. I can probably smoke for another 5 or 6 years and the amount of time that it cuts off from my life will be negligible.

Though to be fair, I probably screwed up the math somewhere in there.

StartARiot7

That is unless you don't get lung cancer or anything of the sort.

And on that note, you could develop a hell of a lot of health problems by spending your leisure time sitting on your ass playing videogames or watching movies. Long lasting unpleasant problems that you have to live with for a long-ass time before they finally kill you.

Is smoking MORE dangerous than playing videogames? Of course. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna take any kind of moral criticism from people who waste years of their life playing murder simulators.

Bottom line is that if you like it, and are aware of and accept the risks, then it's not a waste. It's just a lifestyle choice.

I quit smoking a long time ago. I decided I didn't want to depend on a 'thing' to make me feel better, that's just weak.

Whenever someone tells me they need a cigarette because theyre stressed, it's kind of pathetic how they depend on something that's eventually going to kill them.

And all the 'cool' kids that stand around smoking are really just insecure, they don't have enough confidence to start a conversation with someone so they bum a smoke instead...

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Would you say it's worth smoking to lose 951 days of your life?MaXXXed_Out

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

Oh I'm sorry, I thought she was asking the rest of the people here.

Anyway, it's OBVIOUS that I think it's worth it, since I still smoke. If I did NOT think that the risks outweighed the benefits, then I wouldn't still be doing it, would I? That is the fundamental reason why ANYONE is comfortable with performing ANY voluntary activity. If it's involuntary, then you can't help it. But if it is voluntary, and you think that it's not worth it, then you don't do it. It's that simple. This applies to smoking, videogaming, fishing, rock-climbing, stunt-driving, whatever you want to substitute in whatever's place. If it's not worth it, you don't do it.

I see in your example that it's 30 years. If we extend it to 80 years, that would 2,536 days lost, of course, that includes childhood. So let's take 30 years for videogames, if you waste 951 days playing video games in 30 years. You'd have to play 2 hours a day. If you even have enough time for that, I'd be surprised... 2 hours everyday for the next 30 years :shock:Vanadium2k8

I'm not doing the calculations, but extending it to 80 years is still inconsequential. Because if you are ABLE to smoke for 80 years, then you've managed to LIVE for 80 years. Which is a good long life by any standard.

Then we add in another 10 years due to the fact that most people don't become heavy smokers before they reach 10 years of age.

I'm now going to do some rough rounding and round your 80 years up to 90 years just so that I don't have to pull out a calculator. If the relationship between cigarettes smoked and shortened lifespan is linear as was implied, then we can simply take the 2.5 years for a 30 year smoker and multiply that by 3. Which results in 7.5 (let's round up to 8) years.

Add in the first ten nonsmoking years, and we're now talking about people dying at the age of 90 instead of the age of 98.

Sorry if I'm not shaking in my boots.

Granted, that's probably not an accurate depiction of the risks involved with smoking, but that's the logical result stemming from someone's random BS statistics.

It's also indicative of you not thinking through what you wrote before you wrote it. If I am even ABLE to smoke heavily for EIGHTY YEARS, then I was clearly going to live WELL longer than the average human lifespan anyway. So...I'll end up smoking for almost my entire life and STILL end up outliving most people who never even bother to pick up a cigarette in their entire lives. "Ooh, scary!" :roll:

Really guys, I KNOW that smoking is bad and that is dangerous. But if you're gonna start talking about numbers, then there are far better numbers that you guys can pull up than obviously BS numbers that are either totally wrong or actually UNDERMINE the actual risks associated with the activity. Because even if those statistics are true, they stop being so scary when you say them like THAT. The "five minutes of death per cigarette" thing might TECHNICALLY be true depending on how you manipulate and present the data. But you don't actually SAY that. Because when you SAY that, it sounds too alarmist for anyone to believe. People then crunch the numbers and find out that "wow, smoking isn't really that bad after all".

That's what happens when you fudge the numbers to sound extra scary. Sure, it sounds REALLY scary when you hear that each cigarette that you smoke shortens your life by five minutes. But when you then take those numbers and look at them, you just see a whole bunch of BS, and the risk actually seems LESSENED.

This is why honest and constructive discussion is so valuable. Because when you lie to people or pull statistics out of thin air, or manipulate statistics in order to make them seem more alarming, people are going to FIND OUT that it was just a load of horse****. The problem is that they're then going to associate those horse**** statistics with the MESSAGE. As in, "wait a minute...my teacher says that I shouldn't smoke pot by citing a statistic. That statistic turned out to be a manipulative pile of horse****. So...does that mean that I really SHOULD go out and start smoking pot?"

Everything is a risk/benefit analysis. And making boogeyman stories about the risks of things that have ACTUAL AND REAL risks isn't doing ANYONE a favour. Because once you stop portraying risks realistically in favor of resorting to sensationalistic ghost stories, you've just turned your entire argument into a joke.

It's about honest discussion and treating them with respect. You talk to people honestly and with respect, and be REALISTIC about risks and benefits, and they will LISTEN to you. But if you start getting alarmist and start throwing out numbers that are obviously BS, people will say "that's a load of horse****", and will start to resent you. And then you've lost, because peoplem will then realize that everything you were sayng was a load of crap. And there'll be nothing left to convince the kids to not go out and smoke pot. Because even if they SHOULDN'T go out and smoke, the entire argument presented for WHY they shouldn't smoke pot was just a load of crap. So once the kids find out that the anti-pot lecture that they heard was all based on crap, that instantly destroys any reason for those kids to NOT go out and smoke pot.

Honest discussion is always best. A REALISTIC and honest assessment of the benefits, and a realistic and honest assessment of the risks.

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Harsh nothing. He smokes, he smoked for a long time, he's known for a long time that smoking is dangerous, and he still smokes. He even switched from smoking 30 cigarettes a day to smoking a pipe twice a day. That's a BIG change as far as HABIT goes. And if he can do that, he can quit smoking entirely. He's not going to, though. Because he LIKES smoking. He enjoys it, he takes pleasure in it, it's not hurting anyone else, so WHAT is the problem?

Sure, he might die 10 or 20 years early because he smokes. Sure, I might have to bury "dear old dad" because because he likes to smoke. Again, I am SUPPOSED to bury "dear old dad". The alternative to me burying Dear Old Dad is to have Dear Old Dad bury ME. And that's unthinkable. I'm gonna live long enough to put my mother and father in the grave, because that is how it is supposed to be. That's the "natural order". Any sadness I might feel while attending their funeral would be NOTHING compared to the sadness they'd feel if they were still alive to attend MY funeral. Children are supposed to outlive their parents, not the other way around.

MrGeezer

Do you even know me? My tone doesn't imply that I'm not happy about ONE particular thing, anyone here who knows me can tell you that my tone is simply indicative of the fact that I am NEVER happy about ANYTHING.

I'm not unhappy about the topic at hand, I simply ALWAYS act unhappy REGARDLESS of what the hell I'm discussing.

You're reading WAY too much into things.

[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="Epak_"]

Nobody's forcing you to stand near people who smoke.

MrGeezer

That's such a low level of exposure that it's a total non-issue.

Then why have people gotten lung cancer through second hand? Some families have people who smoke, and you can't really avoid it then.